NoVideo said:

IDRAG4MJ said:

Conclusion..If you consider madonna a legend and you dont Janet..there a bias of some sort working

Madonna’s worldwide album sales: over 300 million. She’s the top selling female artists of all

time worldwide. She’s sold 64 million in the US alone, and according to Billboard Magazine is the #2 pop artist of all time, behind only The Beatles.

Janet’s worldwide album sales: over 100 million. 26 million in the US. So about 1/3 of Madonna’s overall sales (and good enough for #11 among female artists in the US.)

Madonna’s #1 singles in America: 12

Madonna’s Top 10 hits in America: 36

Janet’s #1 singles in America: 9

Janet’s Top 10 hits in America: 28

Madonna’s #1 albums in America: 7

Madonna’s Top 10 albums in America: 18, including compilations

Janet’s #1 albums in America: 6

Janet’s Top 10 albums in America: 9, including compilations

So Janet has sold about 1/3 of the albums that Madonna has, and Madonna trumps her in every chart category. Madonna’s last tour, The Stick & Sweet Tour, grossed $280 million, making it the most successful solo tour by any artist, ever. The previous high? Madonna’s prior tour, Confessions. Janet’s last tour? Not so much.

Janet was hugely successful in her prime; but Madonna is an iconic force with an astonishing nearly 30 years of massive success behind her. Whether or not Janet is a “legend” is arguable; without her famous last name, it’s doubtful she’s have gotten a 2^nd look by any reasonable record company exec. But Madonna is in an entirely different class than any other female artist, including Janet.

, funny because No one gave her a second glance when her first album titled JANET JACKSON released either.

Why all this wasted on a has been?

NoVideo said:

IDRAG4MJ said:

Conclusion..If you consider madonna a legend and you dont Janet..there a bias of some sort working

Madonna’s worldwide album sales: over 300 million. She’s the top selling female artists of all

time worldwide. She’s sold 64 million in the US alone, and according to Billboard Magazine is the #2 pop artist of all time, behind only The Beatles.

Janet’s worldwide album sales: over 100 million. 26 million in the US. So about 1/3 of Madonna’s overall sales (and good enough for #11 among female artists in the US.)

Madonna’s #1 singles in America: 12

Madonna’s Top 10 hits in America: 36

Janet’s #1 singles in America: 9

Janet’s Top 10 hits in America: 28

Madonna’s #1 albums in America: 7

Madonna’s Top 10 albums in America: 18, including compilations

Janet’s #1 albums in America: 6

Janet’s Top 10 albums in America: 9, including compilations

So Janet has sold about 1/3 of the albums that Madonna has, and Madonna trumps her in every chart category. Madonna’s last tour, The Stick & Sweet Tour, grossed $280 million, making it the most successful solo tour by any artist, ever. The previous high? Madonna’s prior tour, Confessions. Janet’s last tour? Not so much.

Janet was hugely successful in her prime; but Madonna is an iconic force with an astonishing nearly 30 years of massive success behind her. Whether or not Janet is a “legend” is arguable; without her famous last name, it’s doubtful she’s have gotten a 2^nd look by any reasonable record company exec. But Madonna is in an entirely different class than any other female artist, including Janet.

Love it!

Timmy84 said:

^ Nah I think she is a legend. Control and Rhythm Nation 1814 should be enough to assert that that's exactly what she is. Those two albums made a huge contribution to pop/R&B. It made legends out of three people actually - Janet, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.

If all it takes is two albums then Amy Winehouse is a legend.

SUPRMAN said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Nah I think she is a legend. Control and Rhythm Nation 1814 should be enough to assert that that's exactly what she is. Those two albums made a huge contribution to pop/R&B. It made legends out of three people actually - Janet, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.

If all it takes is two albums then Amy Winehouse is a legend.

Oh come on. Rhythm Nation 1814 changed the game.

Timmy84 said:

Entertainer said:

Well, Madonna didn't really get decent radio play with her last few cds. Her hit '4mins' was aided by Justin Timberlake and even that in the grand scheme of things didn't have over 125mil AI like Rihanna nd Katy Perry are getting even with Justin.

Madonna will probably try to hook up with a hot , young artist with her first release to get on radio. Ameria is ageist when it come sto playing woman on the radio over 40. Celebration got no play. The 2 cds before that Hard Candy and COTDF weren't really block busters in the US. She's does better globally where European countries aren't as ageist on the radio.

I know Janet better stay away from those sexual lyrics. No one wants to hear that from a 45yr old.

I doubt it with Madonna for some reason. There's been rumors she and Rihanna were doing something but as far as I know that's still a rumor. Besides with William Orbit and Martin Solveig on board, I doubt Madonna wants a radio hit in the U.S. (we know Europe will constantly play her because she's got such a huge fan base in Europe anyway). As for Janet, I think she'll just focus on music to get people moving and an occasional ballad. If she will include at least one sexual song is questionable.

No, it'll be more sexual innuendo . . .

Why on earth do you bring this up? Seriously. Enough with the desperation. YOU like Janet and THAT is all that is important. Not what others' opinions are. Stop wasting all this time and effort put forth into some dumb shit. You don't need to convince other people that Janet is a legend.

smoothcriminal12 said:

SUPRMAN said:

If all it takes is two albums then Amy Winehouse is a legend.

Oh come on. Rhythm Nation 1814 changed the game.

Release RN1814 the way Prince wanted to release The Black Album.

Then tell me how much of the game it changes.

It didn't change a damn thing. It influenced, I suppose, the artsy black and white Herb Ritts music video style. But musically?? Nah...

Again, TL&Jam are not innovators! They aren't! They have not innovated one damn sound! In the 80s, they brought the MPLS sound to the black audience who didn't care about Prince. In the 90s, they fluctuated between New Jack and Pop.

If anything, Janet Jackson is way overrated. Her whispery, barely-there vocals means she can't SANG. So she's a black Britney Spears?!?! Okay!! lol

IDRAG4MJ said:

NoVideo said:

Madonna’s worldwide album sales: over 300 million. She’s the top selling female artists of all

time worldwide. She’s sold 64 million in the US alone, and according to Billboard Magazine is the #2 pop artist of all time, behind only The Beatles.

Janet’s worldwide album sales: over 100 million. 26 million in the US. So about 1/3 of Madonna’s overall sales (and good enough for #11 among female artists in the US.)

Madonna’s #1 singles in America: 12

Madonna’s Top 10 hits in America: 36

Janet’s #1 singles in America: 9

Janet’s Top 10 hits in America: 28

Madonna’s #1 albums in America: 7

Madonna’s Top 10 albums in America: 18, including compilations

Janet’s #1 albums in America: 6

Janet’s Top 10 albums in America: 9, including compilations

So Janet has sold about 1/3 of the albums that Madonna has, and Madonna trumps her in every chart category. Madonna’s last tour, The Stick & Sweet Tour, grossed $280 million, making it the most successful solo tour by any artist, ever. The previous high? Madonna’s prior tour, Confessions. Janet’s last tour? Not so much.

Janet was hugely successful in her prime; but Madonna is an iconic force with an astonishing nearly 30 years of massive success behind her. Whether or not Janet is a “legend” is arguable; without her famous last name, it’s doubtful she’s have gotten a 2^nd look by any reasonable record company exec. But Madonna is in an entirely different class than any other female artist, including Janet.

Dead..madonna's album sales are not over 300mill..what kinda pot are you smoking....thats supposed to be her combined record sales meaning including singles and what not but ever over 50% of that cant really be accounted for it highly inflated

secondly Madonna has released over 56 albums..compilations ,boxsets rereleases ..Janet has released only 12

thirdly janet has sold 36million albums in the USA and not 26....she has been undercertified by 10mill(why she doesnt want to pay to have them recertified i have no idea )

thirdly Janet has 10 not 9 number 1 hits and 27 top 10 hits.. and 140mill combined records solds..for this figure reciepts are available. and not this is from most her 6 very very huge studio albums

Janet still holds the record for the most successful debut tour of all time... Has madonna been more succcessful absolutely no doubt about that.. but dont undermine or deminsh that of janet

the only thing Madonna really has over Janet is her two recent tours....

That and a Guiness World Record for biggest selling female artist of all time...

What is up with all these Janet threads asking the same question Obviously Janet is an Icon I dont see why people need validation.

Spinlight said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Oh come on. Rhythm Nation 1814 changed the game.

Release RN1814 the way Prince wanted to release The Black Album.

Then tell me how much of the game it changes.

It didn't change a damn thing. It influenced, I suppose, the artsy black and white Herb Ritts music video style. But musically?? Nah...

Again, TL&Jam are not innovators! They aren't! They have not innovated one damn sound! In the 80s, they brought the MPLS sound to the black audience who didn't care about Prince. In the 90s, they fluctuated between New Jack and Pop.

If anything, Janet Jackson is way overrated. Her whispery, barely-there vocals means she can't SANG. So she's a black Britney Spears?!?! Okay!! lol

How DARE you!!!!

Spinlight said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Oh come on. Rhythm Nation 1814 changed the game.

Release RN1814 the way Prince wanted to release The Black Album.

Then tell me how much of the game it changes.

It didn't change a damn thing. It influenced, I suppose, the artsy black and white Herb Ritts music video style. But musically?? Nah...

Again, TL&Jam are not innovators! They aren't! They have not innovated one damn sound! In the 80s, they brought the MPLS sound to the black audience who didn't care about Prince. In the 90s, they fluctuated between New Jack and Pop.

If anything, Janet Jackson is way overrated. Her whispery, barely-there vocals means she can't SANG. So she's a black Britney Spears?!?! Okay!! lol

Oh damn.

You're onto something about TJ&Jam though...but still. Damn.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Spinlight said:

Release RN1814 the way Prince wanted to release The Black Album.

Then tell me how much of the game it changes.

It didn't change a damn thing. It influenced, I suppose, the artsy black and white Herb Ritts music video style. But musically?? Nah...

Again, TL&Jam are not innovators! They aren't! They have not innovated one damn sound! In the 80s, they brought the MPLS sound to the black audience who didn't care about Prince. In the 90s, they fluctuated between New Jack and Pop.

If anything, Janet Jackson is way overrated. Her whispery, barely-there vocals means she can't SANG. So she's a black Britney Spears?!?! Okay!! lol

Oh damn.

You're onto something about TJ&Jam though...but still. Damn.

The org is gonna have me labeled a TJ&Jam hater

Don't get me wrong, I still got a big place in my heart for Janet.

But it's in the corner with Britney and Christina. Not Prince, Amy, and Freddie.

I'll i have to say is. Crack, whether it's whitney houstons, bobby browns, axl rose's or eric claptons. It should not be used in any shapre of form. So please stay off that crack i don't want to see you get hurt just please remember

CRACK IS WHACK

That is all

Spinlight said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Oh damn.

You're onto something about TJ&Jam though...but still. Damn.

The org is gonna have me labeled a TJ&Jam hater

Don't get me wrong, I still got a big place in my heart for Janet.

But it's in the corner with Britney and Christina. Not Prince, Amy, and Freddie.

THIS

Spinlight said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Oh come on. Rhythm Nation 1814 changed the game.

Release RN1814 the way Prince wanted to release The Black Album.

Then tell me how much of the game it changes.

It didn't change a damn thing. It influenced, I suppose, the artsy black and white Herb Ritts music video style. But musically?? Nah...

Again, TL&Jam are not innovators! They aren't! They have not innovated one damn sound! In the 80s, they brought the MPLS sound to the black audience who didn't care about Prince. In the 90s, they fluctuated between New Jack and Pop.

If anything, Janet Jackson is way overrated. Her whispery, barely-there vocals means she can't SANG. So she's a black Britney Spears?!?! Okay!! lol

No britney is a white janet jackson and not even that great job of it.

mjscarousal said:

What is up with all these Janet threads asking the same question Obviously Janet is an Icon I dont see why people need validation.

I think people finally want janet to get recognition. Imagine seeing britney and beyonce on pop icon lists and not janet jackson. I think it was people magazine they had britney and beyonce and no janet.

that guy spinlight said janet was overrated, because of her vocals, so what does that make madonna who doesn't even sound as good as janet.

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Spinlight said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Oh damn.

You're onto something about TJ&Jam though...but still. Damn.

The org is gonna have me labeled a TJ&Jam hater

Don't get me wrong, I still got a big place in my heart for Janet.

But it's in the corner with Britney and Christina. Not Prince, Amy, and Freddie.

You're right though. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis were great an all, but I remember listening to Control yesterday and thinking, "This could be a Prince album." All it is is the Minneapolis Sound a la Janet Jackson.

And, yes, expect the backlash for passing JJ and TL and putting Janet in the same category as Britney and Christina. Countdown for SEANMAN in 5...4...3...

Good Lord.

Yet another example of a Janet fan with a complex and a desperate desire to prove something to other people. I'm beginning to think that she has thee most insecure fans on the planet.

Still don't consider her anywhere near being a legend.

But carry on.

[Edited 8/12/11 13:54pm]

NaQu said:

Good Lord.

Yet another example of a Janet fan with a complex and a desperate desire to prove something to other people. I'm beginning to think that she has thee most insecure fans on the planet.

Still don't consider her anywhere near being a legend.

But carry on.

[Edited 8/12/11 13:54pm]

hardcore Janet, Michael & beyonce fans.. chills.

Grant it i like mike & Jante.. Beyonce... um yeah.

And that's cool being a big fan, but those hardcore fans are some scary ass human beings. And will eat u alive, rape u, and put a curse on yoru family if you don't bow to beysus, mj or Janet

Gunsnhalen said:

NaQu said:

Good Lord.

Yet another example of a Janet fan with a complex and a desperate desire to prove something to other people. I'm beginning to think that she has thee most insecure fans on the planet.

Still don't consider her anywhere near being a legend.

But carry on.

[Edited 8/12/11 13:54pm]

hardcore Janet, Michael & beyonce fans.. chills.

Grant it i like mike & Jante.. Beyonce... um yeah.

And that's cool being a big fan, but those hardcore fans are some scary ass human beings. And will eat u alive, rape u, and put a curse on yoru family if you don't bow to beysus, mj or Janet

Gunsnhalen said:

NaQu said:

Good Lord.

Yet another example of a Janet fan with a complex and a desperate desire to prove something to other people. I'm beginning to think that she has thee most insecure fans on the planet.

Still don't consider her anywhere near being a legend.

But carry on.

[Edited 8/12/11 13:54pm]

hardcore Janet, Michael & beyonce fans.. chills.

Grant it i like mike & Jante.. Beyonce... um yeah.

And that's cool being a big fan, but those hardcore fans are some scary ass human beings. And will eat u alive, rape u, and put a curse on yoru family if you don't bow to beysus, mj or Janet

They're nutcases, and their neverending desire to affirm whatever status they think Janet should have - and to get others to co-sign - is becoming increasingly humorous. Just disagreeing that this woman is anything special (without even going into detail) is enough to rattle nerves, apparently.

I know damn well yall motherfuckers prince fans are not acting like yall arent lunatics either...

Maybe if yall stop bashing other artists and stop thinking Prince music is the virgin Mary these arguements would not be. Sick of these stuck up their ass Prince fans acting like they dont act crazy when it comes to Prince and like all other stans are nuts.

I dont care who it is... its

Janet, Whitney etc... yall the first to have something negative to say whether you like them or not they have been influential and are regarded as Icons BUT yet start tripping when stans start defending their fav artists but yall the first to act childish and yall the first to start bitching BUT then complain when flames start

Some of yall dont even know how to have a mature music conversation without being disrespectful or childish or bringing personal information about the artist into the equation, saying dumb shit like Whitneys a crack whore, Michaels a pedo BUT then wonder why stans start bitchin

Yall are so fucking unbelievable.

Whine and complain about shit that yall start...smh

[Edited 8/12/11 15:00pm]

smoothcriminal12 said:

Spinlight said:

The org is gonna have me labeled a TJ&Jam hater

Don't get me wrong, I still got a big place in my heart for Janet.

But it's in the corner with Britney and Christina. Not Prince, Amy, and Freddie.

You're right though. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis were great an all, but I remember listening to Control yesterday and thinking, "This could be a Prince album." All it is is the Minneapolis Sound a la Janet Jackson.

And, yes, expect the backlash for passing JJ and TL and putting Janet in the same category as Britney and Christina. Countdown for SEANMAN in 5...4...3...

Haha, Seanman is my brother in arms! We fought side by side in the Born This Way War of early 2011.

mjscarousal said:

I know damn well yall motherfuckers prince fans are not acting like yall arent lunatics either...

Maybe if yall stop bashing other artists and stop thinking Prince music is the virgin Mary these arguements would not be. Sick of these stuck up their ass Prince fans acting like they dont act crazy when it comes to Prince and like all other stans are nuts.

I dont care who it is... its

Janet, Whitney etc... yall the first to have something negative to say whether you like them or not they have been influential and are regarded as Icons BUT yet start tripping when stans start defending their fav artists but yall the first to act childish and yall the first to start bitching BUT then complain when flames start

Some of yall dont even know how to have a mature music conversation without being disrespectful or childish or bringing personal information about the artist into the equation, saying dumb shit like Whitneys a crack whore, Michaels a pedo BUT then wonder why stans start bitchin

Yall are so fucking unbelievable.

Whine and complain about shit that yall start...smh

[Edited 8/12/11 15:00pm]

This is a website devoted to Prince. If you have a problem with that, log off.

Spinlight said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

You're right though. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis were great an all, but I remember listening to Control yesterday and thinking, "This could be a Prince album." All it is is the Minneapolis Sound a la Janet Jackson.

And, yes, expect the backlash for passing JJ and TL and putting Janet in the same category as Britney and Christina. Countdown for SEANMAN in 5...4...3...

Haha, Seanman is my brother in arms! We fought side by side in the Born This Way War of early 2011.

Spinlight said:

mjscarousal said:

I know damn well yall motherfuckers prince fans are not acting like yall arent lunatics either...

Maybe if yall stop bashing other artists and stop thinking Prince music is the virgin Mary these arguements would not be. Sick of these stuck up their ass Prince fans acting like they dont act crazy when it comes to Prince and like all other stans are nuts.

I dont care who it is... its

Janet, Whitney etc... yall the first to have something negative to say whether you like them or not they have been influential and are regarded as Icons BUT yet start tripping when stans start defending their fav artists but yall the first to act childish and yall the first to start bitching BUT then complain when flames start

Some of yall dont even know how to have a mature music conversation without being disrespectful or childish or bringing personal information about the artist into the equation, saying dumb shit like Whitneys a crack whore, Michaels a pedo BUT then wonder why stans start bitchin

Yall are so fucking unbelievable.

Whine and complain about shit that yall start...smh

[Edited 8/12/11 15:00pm]

This is a website devoted to Prince. If you have a problem with that, log off.

But this is also the NON PRINCE MUSIC DISCUSSION part of the Prince forum as well and they need to REMEMBER that So in other words Prince stans need to chill out on the other music stans AND stop acting like they dont be getting their stan on cause they do

[Edited 8/12/11 15:16pm]

[Edited 8/12/11 15:17pm]

mjscarousal said:

Spinlight said:

This is a website devoted to Prince. If you have a problem with that, log off.

But this is also the NON MUSIC DISCUSSION part of the Prince forum as well and they need to REMEMBER that So in other words Prince stans need to chill out on the other music stans AND stop acting like they dont be getting their stan on cause they do

[Edited 8/12/11 15:16pm]

Well of course they get their stan on. The site's Prince.org so naturally they will stan for Prince in every damn section of the site. That's part of the point! I know how sick and annoying it must be - but it's one of those things you gotta accept because... You're on Prince.org.

Besides, like I said earlier up in here, people need not get hyphy about someone else's opinion. You don't even know what jacked up shit coulda happened to them that made them stan so damn hard.

Like right now, Armpit and I are going through a rough patch so I envision her listening to a lot of Adele records about bad relationships and love gone wrong. Expect her to make a thread about Adele being a legend in a few weeks when we get back together.

Spinlight said:

mjscarousal said:

But this is also the NON MUSIC DISCUSSION part of the Prince forum as well and they need to REMEMBER that So in other words Prince stans need to chill out on the other music stans AND stop acting like they dont be getting their stan on cause they do

[Edited 8/12/11 15:16pm]

Well of course they get their stan on. The site's Prince.org so naturally they will stan for Prince in every damn section of the site. That's part of the point! I know how sick and annoying it must be - but it's one of those things you gotta accept because... You're on Prince.org.

Besides, like I said earlier up in here, people need not get hyphy about someone else's opinion. You don't even know what jacked up shit coulda happened to them that made them stan so damn hard.

Like right now, Armpit and I are going through a rough patch so I envision her listening to a lot of Adele records about bad relationships and love gone wrong. Expect her to make a thread about Adele being a legend in a few weeks when we get back together.

Of course I understand that and I am glad you can admit this unlike some other Prince fans I mean its nothing wrong with it but people should be respectful and accepting opinions goes BOTH ways. It seems like any time you defend an artist... your a crazy stan but I feel you its all l.o.v.e. at the end of the day... I just had to get that rant out

mjscarousal said:

I know damn well yall motherfuckers prince fans are not acting like yall arent lunatics either...

Maybe if yall stop bashing other artists and stop thinking Prince music is the virgin Mary these arguements would not be. Sick of these stuck up their ass Prince fans acting like they dont act crazy when it comes to Prince and like all other stans are nuts.

I dont care who it is... its

Janet, Whitney etc... yall the first to have something negative to say whether you like them or not they have been influential and are regarded as Icons BUT yet start tripping when stans start defending their fav artists but yall the first to act childish and yall the first to start bitching BUT then complain when flames start

Some of yall dont even know how to have a mature music conversation without being disrespectful or childish or bringing personal information about the artist into the equation, saying dumb shit like Whitneys a crack whore, Michaels a pedo BUT then wonder why stans start bitchin

Yall are so fucking unbelievable.

Whine and complain about shit that yall start...smh

[Edited 8/12/11 15:00pm]

WELL SAID

Spinlight said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Oh come on. Rhythm Nation 1814 changed the game.

Release RN1814 the way Prince wanted to release The Black Album.

Then tell me how much of the game it changes.

It didn't change a damn thing. It influenced, I suppose, the artsy black and white Herb Ritts music video style. But musically?? Nah...

Again, TL&Jam are not innovators! They aren't! They have not innovated one damn sound! In the 80s, they brought the MPLS sound to the black audience who didn't care about Prince. In the 90s, they fluctuated between New Jack and Pop.

If anything, Janet Jackson is way overrated. Her whispery, barely-there vocals means she can't SANG. So she's a black Britney Spears?!?! Okay!! lol

I agree especially on the bolded part. It may be harsh but its the truth, and the truth can be a bitter pill for some to swallow...

Agree w/that too

The internet has caused the rise of the stans