chamber said:

Marrk said:

Who owned the titty?

Why exactly should JT suffer more fallout than Janet?

....furthermore, I get the feeling the whole thing was more than likely Janet's idea. I doubt that Justin approached Janet and said: "Hey, I got an idea...how about at the end of the song, when that line hits, I pull off your top." Janet, on the other hand, I can very easily see pulling him aside with that plan. When you consider all the sex she'd been selling for years, it seemed like a very "Janet" plot.

Also after the SB incident, Justin largely laid low for 2 years until his next album came out. Janet put on an album on the heals of that spectacle...when the media was still scruntinizing what happened...and immediately felt the sting. Justin gave people time to forget and move on; Janet went back into the building while it was still burning. In the meantime, Janet was already passed her commercial peak and nearly 40 years old, while Justin was in his young 20s and still peaking. PLUS Damita Jo was a shitty album on top of all that.

So when you add all these various factors together, it makes sense while he didn't get as much fallout as she did.

Clearly in the performance you can see well anybody with sense can see that Janet was just as shocked as we were that JT pulled it off her. Now I cant say for sure who fault it was but JT DID play a role in it. I find it laughable that people feel that it is ENTIRELY Janets fault. For one no one really knows who idea it was.Also, JT was just as much apart of the performance as Janet was. I mean for crying out loud its not like she stood on stage and pulled it off herself with a big ass smile like alot of people made it seem.

Janet got the heat because of her last name and because it was the Superbowl people made a big ass deal about it. Also, it didnt help it was close to the beginning trial of MJ.

smoothcriminal12 said:

mjscarousal said:

Michael was interested in working with Madonna for his song In the Closet off Dangerous. They wanted to get to know each other first which is why doing this period they made a few appearances together Oscars and casual outings. Recently Michaels old Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

came out with a tape where Michael talks about these outings and his experiences with Madonna.

He says that she was not a nice person and explains incidents where she acted disrespectful to him while they were trying to get to know each other. He then goes on to say he doesnt find her sexy because of her attitude.

In Michaels defense Madonna was bitch during this time I can find the youtube video of him talking about Madonna and I will try to post it.

Michael was a sweet person but he was human. He has said a number of not so nice things

I agree.

I don't know..guys that can't handle or deal with wild chicks oftenly call them bitches, ho's, heffas or so...I do know that Madonna wasn't the nicest person back then, but come on, he could have been a man about it..geeeez...all whining becuz a girl made passes on him...I think of all the issues MJ had maybe the biggest was not allowing himself 2 be gay (it's how it seems 2 me)....as much as I like him i never bought that peter pan disturbia fantasy of him idea

I think Madonna knew that he was gay and she wanted him to finally come out of the closet.She wanted him to hang out with her dancers and experience a world that he had never known.When they were discussing plans for the song and video,she suggested that they swtich roles....he would be dressed as the woman and she would be the man! That kinda stuff freaked Michael out...lol...

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WTF is going on here?!?!?!

First everyone goes about complaining about crazy ass MJ stans and how they are deluded as shit. Then you have the same people coming up with some crazy ass theories. "MJ was castrated and that's why he died a virgin." "MJ was jealous of Madonna because he wanted her breasts." "MJ wore black, because he wanted to wear Prince's high heels." All of which are the equivalent of tabloid fodder.

Then, when someone tries to argue against that, these are the same people that then call you too deluded to see reality correctly. It's like: "UNLESS YOU AGREE WITH ME YOU ARE WRONG!" It's not like any of you are/were good friends or worked with these people. A good portion of these theories aren't a reflection of Michael Jackson. They are just a just a reflection of the author(s) and their crazy ass fantasies. I wish some of you had enough sense to go back and read this thread to see utter hypocrisy that's going on in here. It's enough to make your head spin.

I agree that MJ wasn't perfect, but some of this shit in here is just bananas.

Maybe some of you need to get off the comp and go take your meds...

I enjoyed reading this thread. Some of it was new information,and others I had completely forgotten. I always believed Michael was grown and acted more innocent than he was, especially after the Bad era, and he was more gullible and shy about everything in his early 20's, though I'm sure he was in touch with his sexuality. He was just asking about Jack U Off to be an instigator and get attention, he did that all the time, but Madonna did it to an extreme, and maybe that's why he sounded so put off when talking about her, cause he saw bits of himself he doesn't put out there. I love Madonna too, but I can admit when she's a bitch. She cracked me up during Truth or Dare when it was around that time the doc was put out,but she was out of line then too, like laughing when someone in her entourage was date-raped, I didn't agree with that at all. It was all during the time Madonna was emotionally immature and it was easy to love her or hate her for it, and Michael was around her that time. Aside from that time period, Madonna always spoke highly of him, even at his lowest during the Bashir period. I don't even take the comments about how she said he should dress seriously, she was just mad she didn't "have" MJ or something like that, cause she was on top of the world, and maybe MJ didn't feel like doing the drag thing cause of his religious background though he left JW by then, and she took it the wrong way...plus Madonna's lyrics are basic compared to MJ's, maybe he didn't approve of her take on the song

As for MJ and Prince, I enjoyed reading the stories about their interactions and believe it all the rest to be a public feud, but I also know Prince is a fun asshole and prankster in his own way. I don't recall hearing about the twigs and leaves, though I knew about the feathers and charms and couldn't help but laugh, though not in a mean way. I really think during this time, MJ was a JW and probably feeling guilty of his success and feeling repressed about his sexuality and feeling vulnerable. Maybe he felt left out like he couldn't act like that while watching his sisters and Prince and kept to himself. I dunno, that's just the feeling I got.

I remember hearing MJ was in Toronto and not knowing how the hell to see him. That week I started my second year at school and for all I know, he could have been few min away, shit! But it was a quick stopover on the way to Montreal and a fan told me he was just in the car from the airport or something, and I had a chance to go, but turned it down though I regret it. Does anyone have any info on what he did exactly in Toronto, like where he stayed, what studio he recorded at?

[Edited 8/13/11 12:00pm]

mjscarousal said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Michael appeared in public with Madonna for publicity only, to get spotlighted on entertainment news shows and magazines with all of the "dating rumors" and speculation. Just like he did with Brooke Shields. Madonna was the most vulgar white woman in the world, while Brooke was the most innocent white woman in the world, and he played with both of their images. The only difference is that he tried to get a song out of Madonna, but she wouldn't cooperate. In reality though, he couldn't stand either one of them when the cameras were off.

And regardless of Michael's personal relationships with these people, Prince is a man, so it makes sense for MJ not to be a fan of Prince's overly explicit performances. All guys I know feel the same way about Prince. That's not the overused term "jealously," that's stereotypical masculinity, lol.

They BOTH were interested and Michael was not about to dress up like a woman in no video and sing about raunchy shit .. I swear Madonna was a crazy mofo

That's what I meant by saying "she wouldn't cooperate." She tried to alter each of his clever ideas for stupid crap he refused to do. Then he dropped the plan altogether.

Unholyalliance said:

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WTF is going on here?!?!?!

First everyone goes about complaining about crazy ass MJ stans and how they are deluded as shit. Then you have the same people coming up with some crazy ass theories. "MJ was castrated and that's why he died a virgin." "MJ was jealous of Madonna because he wanted her breasts." "MJ wore black, because he wanted to wear Prince's high heels." All of which are the equivalent of tabloid fodder.

Then, when someone tries to argue against that, these are the same people that then call you too deluded to see reality correctly. It's like: "UNLESS YOU AGREE WITH ME YOU ARE WRONG!" It's not like any of you are/were good friends or worked with these people. A good portion of these theories aren't a reflection of Michael Jackson. They are just a just a reflection of the author(s) and their crazy ass fantasies. I wish some of you had enough sense to go back and read this thread to see utter hypocrisy that's going on in here. It's enough to make your head spin.

I agree that MJ wasn't perfect, but some of this shit in here is just bananas.

Maybe some of you need to get off the comp and go take your meds...

GREAT ASS POST!!!

Too easy!

SoulAlive said:

I think Madonna knew that he was gay and she wanted him to finally come out of the closet.She wanted him to hang out with her dancers and experience a world that he had never known.When they were discussing plans for the song and video,she suggested that they swtich roles....he would be dressed as the woman and she would be the man! That kinda stuff freaked Michael out...lol...

The last part is from the Magic And The Madness book and the author made A LOT of stuff up in that book

the story I heard was that Michael had played the demo of In The Closet to her and she said it was wack and said she wasn't going to do it, Michael got upset and the whole thing fell through

The first part, I just think she was fuckin' with him She has a sense of humor and seems to like to get a rise out of people

Reading the interview he did with Rabbi Schumley, I get the impression that he was intimidated by her. Madonna is a tough chick

[Edited 8/14/11 5:13am]

Fuck Michael Jackson's approval!

mjscarousal said:

chamber said:

....furthermore, I get the feeling the whole thing was more than likely Janet's idea. I doubt that Justin approached Janet and said: "Hey, I got an idea...how about at the end of the song, when that line hits, I pull off your top." Janet, on the other hand, I can very easily see pulling him aside with that plan. When you consider all the sex she'd been selling for years, it seemed like a very "Janet" plot.

Also after the SB incident, Justin largely laid low for 2 years until his next album came out. Janet put on an album on the heals of that spectacle...when the media was still scruntinizing what happened...and immediately felt the sting. Justin gave people time to forget and move on; Janet went back into the building while it was still burning. In the meantime, Janet was already passed her commercial peak and nearly 40 years old, while Justin was in his young 20s and still peaking. PLUS Damita Jo was a shitty album on top of all that.

So when you add all these various factors together, it makes sense while he didn't get as much fallout as she did.

Clearly in the performance you can see well anybody with sense can see that Janet was just as shocked as we were that JT pulled it off her. Now I cant say for sure who fault it was but JT DID play a role in it. I find it laughable that people feel that it is ENTIRELY Janets fault. For one no one really knows who idea it was.Also, JT was just as much apart of the performance as Janet was. I mean for crying out loud its not like she stood on stage and pulled it off herself with a big ass smile like alot of people made it seem.

Janet got the heat because of her last name and because it was the Superbowl people made a big ass deal about it. Also, it didnt help it was close to the beginning trial of MJ.

I have always thought that Janet KNEW exactly what she was doing. She just did NOT expect the backlash because the media had ALWAYS been up her ass and approved everything that she did.

Everything points to the fact that Janet had this PLANNED-the NIPPLE ring, the way that Jermaine and Randy were smiling and saying that everyone was going to be shocked and surprised at Janet's performance, the way that the costume designer said that Janet's costume was SUPPOSED to tear away the way that it did on stage.

I really am tired of the EXCUSES. IF this incident had been received the way that Janet PLANNED it, all of the Janet fans/stans would be praising it to high hell. The bottomline is that Janet never in a million years expected for the media and public to react the way that they did. The so-called "shocked" look was a part of the act. I am not a Justin Timberlake fan;however, it is pathetic to blame HIM for what happened. He was part of the ACT; but, it was not HIS plan. It was Janet who planned this act and it backfired. Janet was going for the shock value and she thought that the industry and media would go along with her. All of this whining and bitching about Justin is just plain weak. The blame lies with Janet because she knew what she was doing when she planned this STUNT. Although, Timberlake was part of the stunt, I truly don't believe that Janet revealed beforehand that the "tear-away" would reveal her nipple. Janet was the media and industry sweetheart. She could do no wrong in their eyes. She took advantage of that "love" and thought that her stunt would work. Unfortunately, for HER, it didn't and her career suffered almost unrepairable results. The fact that Rene was no longer there to help with her songwriting and creative elements in everything, didn't help either.

Free2BMe said:

I really am tired of the EXCUSES. IF this incident had been received the way that Janet PLANNED it, all of the Janet fans/stans would be praising it to high hell. The bottomline is that Janet never in a million years expected for the media and public to react the way that they did. The so-called "shocked" look was a part of the act. I am not a Justin Timberlake fan;however, it is pathetic to blame HIM for what happened. He was part of the ACT; but, it was not HIS plan. It was Janet who planned this act and it backfired. Janet was going for the shock value and she thought that the industry and media would go along with her. All of this whining and bitching about Justin is just plain weak. The blame lies with Janet because she knew what she was doing when she planned this STUNT. Although, Timberlake was part of the stunt, I truly don't believe that Janet revealed beforehand that the "tear-away" would reveal her nipple. Janet was the media and industry sweetheart. She could do no wrong in their eyes. She took advantage of that "love" and thought that her stunt would work. Unfortunately, for HER, it didn't and her career suffered almost unrepairable results. The fact that Rene was no longer there to help with her songwriting and creative elements in everything, didn't help either.

What if it wasn't planned out? What if Janet and camp were going 'business as usual' or decided not to take a break and just go with business as planned, because Janet may have no wanted to let something this stopping her?

Would you still feel the same way?

Please use the MJ sticky, thanks.