allsmutaside said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I have no idea. He probably saw an opportunity for a number one song.

Number one songs means number one sales which means number one $$$$$$. Why would Michael work with Paul M., then buy out the Beatles catalog and sacrafice his friendship with Paul? $$$$$$ Michael was not really Peter Pan, he just played one on TV.

Exactly my point.

allsmutaside said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I have no idea. He probably saw an opportunity for a number one song.

Number one songs means number one sales which means number one $$$$$$. Why would Michael work with Paul M., then buy out the Beatles catalog and sacrafice his friendship with Paul? $$$$$$ Michael was not really Peter Pan, he just played one on TV.

oh wow...geee....

I guess you can't nurture an inner child and have good business sense, can you?

smoothcriminal12 said:

TylerHippie said:

Thanks, but I already read this. Like 4 times. Thanks though.

Oh. Other than that, there's no interview where he talks about Prince.

Prince mention here...

On Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 8:45 AM, Michael Jackson granted KIIS FM personality Rick Dees an exclusive on-air interview. He phoned in to the Los Angeles based radio station from Toronto, Canada to discuss his charity event and after party, both being held at his "Neverland Valley Ranch" on September 13, 2003.

Rick: Michael, it's Rick Dees!

Michael: Rick, how are you?

Rick: How are you?

Michael: How you been doin'?

Rick: Couldn't be better, sir. And you're in Toronto now?

Michael: Yes, I'm in Toronto. I just decided to come up here and write music.

Rick: You know who else is living in Toronto now? Prince. Prince decided to move from Minneapolis to Toronto.

Michael: The singer?

Rick: Yes, Prince the singer.

Michael: You're kidding!

Rick: And he and his wife... in fact, Jimmy Jam told me they're living there now.

Michael: Jimmy Jam is so nice.

Rick: Isn't he the best?

Michael: Yeah...

Full interview is available at http://www.jacksondailyne...news.shtml

mjscarousal said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Oh. Other than that, there's no interview where he talks about Prince.

Prince mention here...

On Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 8:45 AM, Michael Jackson granted KIIS FM personality Rick Dees an exclusive on-air interview. He phoned in to the Los Angeles based radio station from Toronto, Canada to discuss his charity event and after party, both being held at his "Neverland Valley Ranch" on September 13, 2003.

Rick: Michael, it's Rick Dees!

Michael: Rick, how are you?

Rick: How are you?

Michael: How you been doin'?

Rick: Couldn't be better, sir. And you're in Toronto now?

Michael: Yes, I'm in Toronto. I just decided to come up here and write music.

Rick: You know who else is living in Toronto now? Prince. Prince decided to move from Minneapolis to Toronto.

Michael: The singer?

Rick: Yes, Prince the singer.

Michael: You're kidding!

Rick: And he and his wife... in fact, Jimmy Jam told me they're living there now.

Michael: Jimmy Jam is so nice.

Rick: Isn't he the best?

Michael: Yeah...

Full interview is available at http://www.jacksondailyne...news.shtml

That's cool

[Edited 8/12/11 9:54am]

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

allsmutaside said:

Number one songs means number one sales which means number one $$$$$$. Why would Michael work with Paul M., then buy out the Beatles catalog and sacrafice his friendship with Paul? $$$$$$ Michael was not really Peter Pan, he just played one on TV.

oh wow...geee....

I guess you can't nurture an inner child and have good business sense, can you?

I am not sure what he was really doing with that inner child, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that yes, Michael was nuturing an inner child.

allsmutaside said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

oh wow...geee....

I guess you can't nurture an inner child and have good business sense, can you?

I am not sure what he was really doing with that inner child, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that yes, Michael was nuturing an inner child.

Wow, sory ThruTheEyesOfWonder, I almost suggested by typo that Michael was neutering children. And this is in no way an attempt to hi-jack this thread, but it is an a fresh take on things.

RKJCNE said:

This book goes very in depth behind the scenes of in the closet from it's executive producer. It claims Naomi sent MJ crying to his trailer from being so sexual.

But I forgot, you are a total MJ nut so you probly think there wasn't anything bizarre at all about his sexuality.

Remember boys and girls: different = bad.

Always try to stick to what society wants you to be rather than just being who you are.

TylerHippie said:

Everyone knows Michael made some negative comment about "Jack U Off" and so on. But didn't Madonna have a song/album titled Like A Virgin? And he loved Madonna.

Maybe because Madonna was a female I guess. But I never seen Prince put a damn Coke bottle in his mouth as if he was sucking a you know what. But Prince was 10 times more X-rated than Madonna.

Kinda make me think Michael was jealous.But thats another story.

Michael appeared in public with Madonna for publicity only, to get spotlighted on entertainment news shows and magazines with all of the "dating rumors" and speculation. Just like he did with Brooke Shields. Madonna was the most vulgar white woman in the world, while Brooke was the most innocent white woman in the world, and he played with both of their images. The only difference is that he tried to get a song out of Madonna, but she wouldn't cooperate. In reality though, he couldn't stand either one of them when the cameras were off.

And regardless of Michael's personal relationships with these people, Prince is a man, so it makes sense for MJ not to be a fan of Prince's overly explicit performances. All guys I know feel the same way about Prince. That's not the overused term "jealously," that's stereotypical masculinity, lol.

WaterInYourBath said:

In reality though, he couldn't stand either one of them when the cameras were off.

How can you be so sure...?

WaterInYourBath said:

TylerHippie said:

Everyone knows Michael made some negative comment about "Jack U Off" and so on. But didn't Madonna have a song/album titled Like A Virgin? And he loved Madonna.

Maybe because Madonna was a female I guess. But I never seen Prince put a damn Coke bottle in his mouth as if he was sucking a you know what. But Prince was 10 times more X-rated than Madonna.

Kinda make me think Michael was jealous.But thats another story.

Michael appeared in public with Madonna for publicity only, to get spotlighted on entertainment news shows and magazines with all of the "dating rumors" and speculation. Just like he did with Brooke Shields. Madonna was the most vulgar white woman in the world, while Brooke was the most innocent white woman in the world, and he played with both of their images. The only difference is that he tried to get a song out of Madonna, but she wouldn't cooperate. In reality though, he couldn't stand either one of them when the cameras were off.

And regardless of Michael's personal relationships with these people, Prince is a man, so it makes sense for MJ not to be a fan of Prince's overly explicit performances. All guys I know feel the same way about Prince. That's not the overused term "jealously," that's stereotypical masculinity, lol.

They BOTH were interested and Michael was not about to dress up like a woman in no video and sing about raunchy shit .. I swear Madonna was a crazy mofo

Michael also respected Prince and wanted to work with him.

[Edited 8/12/11 11:36am]

chamber said:

Michael didn't approve of any of his competitors. According to J. Randy Taraborrelli, he was even threatened by Terrance Trent D'Arby, during his brief stint as a hitmaker in 1988. Michael didn't like anyone who he felt could take attention off of him for even a minute -- but would easily entertain the idea of collaborating with any of his pop rivals for the sake of a big hit.

[Edited 8/12/11 6:28am]

I hope you realize that its common knowledge that Taraborrelli litteraly makes shit up right

Most of the stuff I've read in this thread seems to directly contradict things I know. If MJ had a problem with people being explicit he quickly out grew it. I'm not gonna explain in depth but one example is that MJ was apparently an Eminem fan (The man had good taste in rap ) and you cant enjoy Ems music if you have ANY sort of taboo for explicitness.

[Edited 8/12/11 13:25pm]

ManlyMoose said:

chamber said:

Michael didn't approve of any of his competitors. According to J. Randy Taraborrelli, he was even threatened by Terrance Trent D'Arby, during his brief stint as a hitmaker in 1988. Michael didn't like anyone who he felt could take attention off of him for even a minute -- but would easily entertain the idea of collaborating with any of his pop rivals for the sake of a big hit.

[Edited 8/12/11 6:28am]

I hope you realize that its common knowledge that Taraborrelli litteraly makes shit up right

Most of the stuff I've read in this thread seems to directly contradict things I know. If MJ had a problem with people being explicit he quickly out grew it. I'm not gonna explain in depth but one example is that MJ was apparently an Eminem fan (The man had good taste in rap ) and you cant enjoy Ems music if you have ANY sort of taboo for explicitness.

[Edited 8/12/11 13:25pm]

THANK YOU!

smoothcriminal12 said:

He hated Madonna. He called her heifer multiple times and I remember reading a story where he said she couldn't sing and was basically a talentless hoe.

And I can see why he made a negative comment about Jack U Off. It is sort of a sick song, even though I like it.

I don't think he was jealous, but he kept his eye out for competition. Don't we all?

And I suspect that this will either be a long troll thread or locked by luv4u. I'm going for the latter.

This is just another reason why i love my baby michael jackson...

chamber said:

Michael didn't approve of any of his competitors. According to J. Randy Taraborrelli, he was even threatened by Terrance Trent D'Arby, during his brief stint as a hitmaker in 1988. Michael didn't like anyone who he felt could take attention off of him for even a minute -- but would easily entertain the idea of collaborating with any of his pop rivals for the sake of a big hit.

[Edited 8/12/11 6:28am]

This.

And...

I've always, always thought that MJ was extremely jealous of, and felt threatened by, Madonna. Here was this woman who came out of nowhere and was a complete free spirit, saying and doing exactly what she felt, and with all this hard work, turned into this worldwide success adored by millions. I think he envied the shit out of her.

I think he envied the shit out of Prince too, and that manifested in lots of different ways, like setting Prince up to fail at that James Brown concert, but I think that in a way it wasn't as extreme with Prince because Prince is a guy or something. Plus the fact that Prince is so appallingly, phenomenally talented as a musician, I honestly think that MJ was a bit in awe of and afraid of Prince too as well as the envy.

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

I agree. He respected both of them to be honest regardless of what level of talent he thought they both had. He has praised Prince ALOT of times. He really admired him and wanted to work with him.

Here is the video... the title is VERY misleading you know the media how they overexaggerate. I still cant get over why his SO CALLED friend would publicly reveal this AFTER Michael passed

OHHHHH thats right for Money

I do think Madonna had a thing for Michael though She has said she was smitten for MJ

MJ was a terrified of Madonna as a sexual being, just like he was of Naomi during the video shoot. I think he tried to come off as too cool for them so people wouldn't realize his sexual dysfunctions.

[Edited 8/12/11 8:09am]

Actually, if you think about it, most of his musical subject matter referring to women in general, isn't too positive, either "Billie Jean", "Dirty Diana", "Dangerous".... years and years ago I remember reading an article or something someplace where the writer referred to the 'misogyny' in Michael's music and at the time as I thought he could do no wrong, I immediately wrote that off, but in retrospect...it really isn't that far-fetched to think that MJ probably just had problems with women in general and yes, was a bit of a misogynist. In fact it seems likely, especially when you consider how much pure venom was in his voice when he spoke about Madonna and how relatively mild he is about men artists in comparison.

I think he found strong women extremely threatening on a personal level for whatever reason, and that Madonna's success angered him. I think he projected that off onto her too, by saying she wanted to be him when clearly she was almost universally loved, selling millions of albums just like him, and honestly had no motive or reason to be jealous of him.

And I feel bad saying this because I am an MJ fan, and always have been all my life, but let's be real here, like every other human being on the planet, Michael was full of shit in some ways.

Michael jackson had no reason to be jealous of madonna. I believe she was jealous of him and many people were.

Madonna is not as popular as mj, was not as loved nor had the whole package like him.

There was no reason. He truely did not like her mean, whorish, jealous, arrogant spirit of person that she is. I can't blame him.

TotalAlisa said:

Michael jackson had no reason to be jealous of madonna. I believe she was jealous of him and many people were.

Madonna is not as popular as mj, was not as loved nor had the whole package like him.

There was no reason. He truely did not like her mean, whorish, jealous, arrogant spirit of person that she is. I can't blame him.

I'm going to be honest - I've never really taken you or anything you said seriously and I'm not entirely capable of doing so now either. If you want to believe the above is true, just because Michael said it, fine, but I don't think he was God, and I have a mind of my own, and his actions pretty much showed that the exact opposite of what he said, was true.

Have a good one, kiddo.

armpit said:

TotalAlisa said:

Michael jackson had no reason to be jealous of madonna. I believe she was jealous of him and many people were.

Madonna is not as popular as mj, was not as loved nor had the whole package like him.

There was no reason. He truely did not like her mean, whorish, jealous, arrogant spirit of person that she is. I can't blame him.

I'm going to be honest - I've never really taken you or anything you said seriously and I'm not entirely capable of doing so now either. If you want to believe the above is true, just because Michael said it, fine, but I don't think he was God, and I have a mind of my own, and his actions pretty much showed that the exact opposite of what he said, was true.

Have a good one, kiddo.

I don't think MJ is close to God or Jesus christ. But just because he doesn't like madonna does not mean its jealousy.

I feel the same way about your post. I can't take what you say seriously either.

Im going to be honest, your opinion of me has nothing to do with this topic... So really i don't give a fuck if you do or don't take me seriously. I don't even really know your font. So carry on with nonsense that no one will agree with.

You should just be glad that someone responded to what you posted. No one will agree

[Edited 8/12/11 14:34pm]

Everybody knows Madonna gave MJ a hand job and his approval of her was simply because he was sexually attracted to her and she was a top artist at the time. Eerybody knows that MJ had some jealousy over Prince on the count that he was light skinned, pretty, and got away with acting whorey on stage and in song and had made a successful crossover into film which is something MJ struggled with. Why y'all acting brand new?

armpit said:

RKJCNE said:

MJ was a terrified of Madonna as a sexual being, just like he was of Naomi during the video shoot. I think he tried to come off as too cool for them so people wouldn't realize his sexual dysfunctions.

[Edited 8/12/11 8:09am]

Actually, if you think about it, most of his musical subject matter referring to women in general, isn't too positive, either "Billie Jean", "Dirty Diana", "Dangerous".... years and years ago I remember reading an article or something someplace where the writer referred to the 'misogyny' in Michael's music and at the time as I thought he could do no wrong, I immediately wrote that off, but in retrospect...it really isn't that far-fetched to think that MJ probably just had problems with women in general and yes, was a bit of a misogynist. In fact it seems likely, especially when you consider how much pure venom was in his voice when he spoke about Madonna and how relatively mild he is about men artists in comparison.

I think he found strong women extremely threatening on a personal level for whatever reason, and that Madonna's success angered him. I think he projected that off onto her too, by saying she wanted to be him when clearly she was almost universally loved, selling millions of albums just like him, and honestly had no motive or reason to be jealous of him.

And I feel bad saying this because I am an MJ fan, and always have been all my life, but let's be real here, like every other human being on the planet, Michael was full of shit in some ways.

You bring up a good observation. However, having problems with women doesnt make a person sexually dysfunctional... its a bit different.

Also, Michael was not perfect. I dont think anybody in here insinuated he was. Even some of the MJ fans posted videos/transcripts of him not saying nice things

to SHOW that he wasnt perfect contrary to his humble image

I also agree their was some harmless competition between all three of them but to say he was EXTREMELY jealous of Madonna is a bit of an exaggeration

[Edited 8/12/11 14:33pm]

HotGritz said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

SoulAlive said:

If he hated her and thought she had no talent,how come he wanted to do a song with her in the early 90s?

I have no idea. He probably saw an opportunity for a number one song.

If Michael wanted to do a song with Madonna, then he would have. But that obviously did not happen so I don't think that's true.

And he was heard on the Smuley tapes saying that he didn't like her at all. If anything, I think Michael had respect for Prince, but not for Madonna.

Who cares about what MJ approved of or not....... the man ain't god and his opinion means shit.

paging luv4u

this ish

PlayboyOriginal said:

Who cares about what MJ approved of or not....... the man ain't god and his opinion means shit.

Just as your opinon means shit. Btw, who the fuck said that Michael is god? I never have; therefore, stop with the generalizations and acting as if all Michael fans are the same.

Free2BMe said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

Who cares about what MJ approved of or not....... the man ain't god and his opinion means shit.

Just as your opinon means shit. Btw, who the fuck said that Michael is god? I never have; therefore, stop with the generalizations and acting as if all Michael fans are the same.

A hit dog will holler Heffa I don't even know your font or said anything about MJ fans. Have a SEAT with your insecure ass

leopold said:

Simple.....because Madonna is white and Micheal knows the system of white supremacy just like the rest of us wheter we admit it or not. Prince is black so he can get away with harsh critisms of him or any other person of color. Now in private that's another matter,Michael might hate her but in public we'll never know.That's just the nature of the beast folks.

The Janet Jackson /Justin Timberlake Superbowl blowup is another example of this double standard.

Look whose career took the most negative impact in that fiasco.

Who owned the titty?

Why exactly should JT suffer more fallout than Janet?

Just because you mention 2 other artist, doesn't defeat the fact that this is a michael jackson thread...

and there is a Michael Jackson Sticky...

PlayboyOriginal said:

Free2BMe said:

Just as your opinon means shit. Btw, who the fuck said that Michael is god? I never have; therefore, stop with the generalizations and acting as if all Michael fans are the same.

A hit dog will holler Heffa I don't even know your font or said anything about MJ fans. Have a SEAT with your insecure ass

HOLD UP, dont be calling Free2BeMe a heffa because YOU are the one insecure, dont be talking out ur ass

you need to calm down with all the yelling its so not good for your blood pressure and the only one that obviously thinks Michael Jackson is a god is you because so far you have been the ONLY one to say that NOT MJ stans..

Marrk said:

leopold said:

Simple.....because Madonna is white and Micheal knows the system of white supremacy just like the rest of us wheter we admit it or not. Prince is black so he can get away with harsh critisms of him or any other person of color. Now in private that's another matter,Michael might hate her but in public we'll never know.That's just the nature of the beast folks.

The Janet Jackson /Justin Timberlake Superbowl blowup is another example of this double standard.

Look whose career took the most negative impact in that fiasco.

Who owned the titty?

Why exactly should JT suffer more fallout than Janet?

....furthermore, I get the feeling the whole thing was more than likely Janet's idea. I doubt that Justin approached Janet and said: "Hey, I got an idea...how about at the end of the song, when that line hits, I pull off your top." Janet, on the other hand, I can very easily see pulling him aside with that plan. When you consider all the sex she'd been selling for years, it seemed like a very "Janet" plot.

Also after the SB incident, Justin largely laid low for 2 years until his next album came out. Janet put on an album on the heals of that spectacle...when the media was still scruntinizing what happened...and immediately felt the sting. Justin gave people time to forget and move on; Janet went back into the building while it was still burning. In the meantime, Janet was already passed her commercial peak and nearly 40 years old, while Justin was in his young 20s and still peaking. PLUS Damita Jo was a shitty album on top of all that.

So when you add all these various factors together, it makes sense while he didn't get as much fallout as she did.