TylerHippie said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Looking to get a negative response? No I wasn't. I swear, something's up with you. You don't even know what the hell bait is after me having to explain it to you three freaking times.

The only reason this thread turned into something else is because all of your threads are designed to turn out like that.

So you asked "ever? ever? ever?", just to get my opinion? Come on now. I've been saying that album is the greatest for the longest. I said it in the Parade thread, so you know what you were doing. And I could care less what a bait thread is.

Dude you made the first negative comment! You say the same thing in ll my threads, "bait thread". That shit is annoying, if you think it's a bait thread why comment on it?

It's not hard to ignore a thread.Let the mods take care of it. None of the mods have had problems with my threads, so chill damn.

I asked that because you said greatest EVER. Of all time. That's not bait.

And you could care less about wha a bait thread is? You care enough to call my other threads bait and my comments bait. Why are you pulling back?

I made the first negative comment? I said it will turn into a troll thread. And that's the truth. It will. If you find it annoying that I call your threads bait threads, stop making bait threads. Simple.

The mods here are barely active unless you report something. That's why they haven't done anything.

SoulAlive said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

He hated Madonna. He called her heifer multiple times and I remember reading a story where he said she couldn't sing and was basically a talentless hoe.

And I can see why he made a negative comment about Jack U Off. It is sort of a sick song, even though I like it.

I don't think he was jealous, but he kept his eye out for competition. Don't we all?

And I suspect that this will either be a long troll thread or locked by luv4u. I'm going for the latter.

If he hated her and thought she had no talent,how come he wanted to do a song with her in the early 90s?

Michael was interested in working with Madonna for his song In the Closet off Dangerous. They wanted to get to know each other first which is why doing this period they made a few appearances together Oscars and casual outings. Recently Michaels old Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

came out with a tape where Michael talks about these outings and his experiences with Madonna.

He says that she was not a nice person and explains incidents where she acted disrespectful to him while they were trying to get to know each other. He then goes on to say he doesnt find her sexy because of her attitude.

In Michaels defense Madonna was bitch during this time I can find the youtube video of him talking about Madonna and I will try to post it.

Michael was a sweet person but he was human. He has said a number of not so nice things

mjscarousal said:

SoulAlive said:

If he hated her and thought she had no talent,how come he wanted to do a song with her in the early 90s?

Michael was interested in working with Madonna for his song In the Closet off Dangerous. They wanted to get to know each other first which is why doing this period they made a few appearances together Oscars and casual outings. Recently Michaels old Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

came out with a tape where Michael talks about these outings and his experiences with Madonna.

He says that she was not a nice person and explains incidents where she acted disrespectful to him while they were trying to get to know each other. He then goes on to say he doesnt find her sexy because of her attitude.

In Michaels defense Madonna was bitch during this time I can find the youtube video of him talking about Madonna and I will try to post it.

Michael was a sweet person but he was human. He has said a number of not so nice things

I agree.

smoothcriminal12 said:

TylerHippie said:

So you asked "ever? ever? ever?", just to get my opinion? Come on now. I've been saying that album is the greatest for the longest. I said it in the Parade thread, so you know what you were doing. And I could care less what a bait thread is.

Dude you made the first negative comment! You say the same thing in ll my threads, "bait thread". That shit is annoying, if you think it's a bait thread why comment on it?

It's not hard to ignore a thread.Let the mods take care of it. None of the mods have had problems with my threads, so chill damn.

I asked that because you said greatest EVER. Of all time. That's not bait.

And you could care less about wha a bait thread is? You care enough to call my other threads bait and my comments bait. Why are you pulling back?

I made the first negative comment? I said it will turn into a troll thread. And that's the truth. It will. If you find it annoying that I call your threads bait threads, stop making bait threads. Simple.

The mods here are barely active unless you report something. That's why they haven't done anything.

1. Your asking a question you already know the answer to.

2. I'm not pulling back, I personally don't care what a bait thread is. Doesn't mean your stuff still doesn't qualify as being bait also.

3. Well if you think all my threads will turn into bait threads, why say the same thing over and over? You simply try to turned threads into a different direction. Every thread I made, you said some negative stuff, while other people seem to enjoy the stuff I talk about. It's simple, IGNORE MY THREADS. It's that simple. I'm going to making interesting threads. So get used to it.

4. And the mods are always scrolling the org, so don't even give me that "you gotta report something" memo.

[Edited 8/12/11 7:28am]

TylerHippie said:

Everyone knows Michael made some negative comment about "Jack U Off" and so on. But didn't Madonna have a song/album titled Like A Virgin? And he loved Madonna.

Maybe because Madonna was a female I guess. But I never seen Prince put a damn Coke bottle in his mouth as if he was sucking a you know what. But Prince was 10 times more X-rated than Madonna.

Kinda make me think Michael was jealous.But thats another story.

I don't think it's jealousy in the way you are thinking about. I think he may have viewed Prince's stuff as too explicit, because, well, it was back then. Also, considering how MJ grew up as a JW and what his father and older brothers were doing around him...well...I can, definitely, see how he would have an issue with Prince's sexual antics. (That and it was still the 80s.) Also, you have to remember that MJ grew up with Motown as well. Their whole MO was to be able to appeal to as many people as possible. It's something that he completely embraced in his own career. That being said though, I don't think that he had an issue with his music on a whole though. I think he always respected Prince as a musician and probably liked his work. I mean, he tried working with Prince also, but Prince declined.

With Madonna, she used to push the envelope, in the beginning, but it got more explicit within time, but not to Prince's extent in the beginning of the 80s. (If you even listened to her 80s work it's not even explcit. Double entendre heavy yeah, but not explicit. I think you are mainly referring to the Like A Virgin performance.) Even so, he did refer to Madonna as 'witch' and he has expressed disgust with her back when they had that brief fling...or whatever. He was interested in working with her, but he ended up not doing it, because, and I quote from someone who saw her leave the room they were both in: "Madonna's scary." Maybe he really didn't like the thought of him dressing up as a woman. ^^;; Even Madonna complained about it & it which may have led to the Janet jackson v. Madonna thing that had went on as well. So, in general, I don't really think he approved of either of their hyper-sexual antics tbqh. I bet you $100 that even Prince looks back and doesn't approve of it anymore.

So in general, despite his personal feelings, I think he may have been interested in doing something with each of them, because he could envision how fucking awesome that would have been, but, alas, people's egoes got in the way.

Unholyalliance said:

TylerHippie said:

Everyone knows Michael made some negative comment about "Jack U Off" and so on. But didn't Madonna have a song/album titled Like A Virgin? And he loved Madonna.

Maybe because Madonna was a female I guess. But I never seen Prince put a damn Coke bottle in his mouth as if he was sucking a you know what. But Prince was 10 times more X-rated than Madonna.

Kinda make me think Michael was jealous.But thats another story.

I don't think it's jealousy in the way you are thinking about. I think he may have viewed Prince's stuff as too explicit, because, well, it was back then. Also, considering how MJ grew up as a JW and what his father and older brothers were doing around him...well...I can, definitely, see how he would have an issue with Prince's sexual antics. (That and it was still the 80s.) Also, you have to remember that MJ grew up with Motown as well. Their whole MO was to be able to appeal to as many people as possible. It's something that he completely embraced in his own career. That being said though, I don't think that he had an issue with his music on a whole though. I think he always respected Prince as a musician and probably liked his work. I mean, he tried working with Prince also, but Prince declined.

With Madonna, she used to push the envelope, in the beginning, but it got more explicit within time, but not to Prince's extent in the beginning of the 80s. (If you even listened to her 80s work it's not even explcit. Double entendre heavy yeah, but not explicit. I think you are mainly referring to the Like A Virgin performance.) Even so, he did refer to Madonna as 'witch' and he has expressed disgust with her back when they had that brief fling...or whatever. He was interested in working with her, but he ended up not doing it, because, and I quote from someone who saw her leave the room they were both in: "Madonna's scary." Maybe he really didn't like the thought of him dressing up as a woman. ^^;; Even Madonna complained about it & it which may have led to the Janet jackson v. Madonna thing that had went on as well. So, in general, I don't really think he approved of either of their hyper-sexual antics tbqh. I bet you $100 that even Prince looks back and doesn't approve of it anymore.

So in general, despite his personal feelings, I think he may have been interested in doing something with each of them, because he could envision how fucking awesome that would have been, but, alas, people's egoes got in the way.

I agree. He respected both of them to be honest regardless of what level of talent he thought they both had. He has praised Prince ALOT of times. He really admired him and wanted to work with him.

Here is the video... the title is VERY misleading you know the media how they overexaggerate. I still cant get over why his SO CALLED friend would publicly reveal this AFTER Michael passed

OHHHHH thats right for Money

I do think Madonna had a thing for Michael though She has said she was smitten for MJ

go2theMax said:

IF MJ did not approve x-rated lyrics/image then he probably wasn't 2 proud of his younger sister...

or his older sister making playboy magazine.. eewwww

TylerHippie said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I asked that because you said greatest EVER. Of all time. That's not bait.

And you could care less about wha a bait thread is? You care enough to call my other threads bait and my comments bait. Why are you pulling back?

I made the first negative comment? I said it will turn into a troll thread. And that's the truth. It will. If you find it annoying that I call your threads bait threads, stop making bait threads. Simple.

The mods here are barely active unless you report something. That's why they haven't done anything.

1. Your asking a question you already know the answer to.

2. I'm not pulling back, I personally don't care what a bait thread is. Doesn't mean your stuff still doesn't qualify as being bait also.

It doesn't though, that's the funny thing. You have no idea what it is, you say you don't care about it, but you're posting about what threads are bait? Give me a break.

3. Well if you think all my threads will turn into bait threads, why say the same thing over and over? You simply try to turned threads into a different direction. Every thread I made, you said some negative stuff, while other people seem to enjoy the stuff I talk about. It's simple, IGNORE MY THREADS. It's that simple. I'm going to making interesting threads. So get used to it.

A lot of people hate your threads. I'm not the only one who doesn't like them. You're interesting threads are limited to you trying to get a reaction to be some sort of popular figure on the org. Give me a break. You're acting like a joke. Some of your threads I don't mind, other threads are ocmplete shite. I'm not negative in every thread you make. Don't flatter yourself.

4. And the mods are always scrolling the org, so don't even give me that "you gotta report something" memo.

You do. The mods barely do anything round these parts. You haven't been here long enough to know.

carinemjj said:

go2theMax said:

IF MJ did not approve x-rated lyrics/image then he probably wasn't 2 proud of his younger sister...

or his older sister making playboy magazine.. eewwww

To be honest, I think Michael was more hip to alot of things than what people thought and the only reason why people probably thought he was unaware was because he didnt run his mouth... but Michael knew alot and probably had opinions about alot he just didnt speak of them publicly...

Class act to the T.

smoothcriminal12 said:

TylerHippie said:

1. Your asking a question you already know the answer to.

2. I'm not pulling back, I personally don't care what a bait thread is. Doesn't mean your stuff still doesn't qualify as being bait also.

It doesn't though, that's the funny thing. You have no idea what it is, you say you don't care about it, but you're posting about what threads are bait? Give me a break.

3. Well if you think all my threads will turn into bait threads, why say the same thing over and over? You simply try to turned threads into a different direction. Every thread I made, you said some negative stuff, while other people seem to enjoy the stuff I talk about. It's simple, IGNORE MY THREADS. It's that simple. I'm going to making interesting threads. So get used to it.

A lot of people hate your threads. I'm not the only one who doesn't like them. You're interesting threads are limited to you trying to get a reaction to be some sort of popular figure on the org. Give me a break. You're acting like a joke. Some of your threads I don't mind, other threads are ocmplete shite. I'm not negative in every thread you make. Don't flatter yourself.

4. And the mods are always scrolling the org, so don't even give me that "you gotta report something" memo.

You do. The mods barely do anything round these parts. You haven't been here long enough to know.

You obvisouly love my threads if you keep posting on them. Your acting like a joke. What sense does it make to criticize something and keep going back to it? Name one thread that's complete shit...I bet it had more views and comments than any of your threads. And I'm not talking about your "vs" threads.

And I actually tried to be cool with in the past, but you keep starting the same shit. The more you comment you comment on my threads, the more you look stupid. And I'm kind of happy to be the bad guy on the org, someone has to do it.

TylerHippie said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

You obvisouly love my threads if you keep posting on them. Your acting like a joke. What sense does it make to criticize something and keep going back to it? Name one thread that's complete shit...I bet it had more views and comments than any of your threads. And I'm not talking about your "vs" threads.

And I actually tried to be cool with in the past, but you keep starting the same shit. The more you comment you comment on my threads, the more you look stupid. And I'm kind of happy to be the bad guy on the org, someone has to do it.

smoothcriminal12 said:

TylerHippie said:

You obvisouly love my threads if you keep posting on them. Your acting like a joke. What sense does it make to criticize something and keep going back to it? Name one thread that's complete shit...I bet it had more views and comments than any of your threads. And I'm not talking about your "vs" threads.

And I actually tried to be cool with in the past, but you keep starting the same shit. The more you comment you comment on my threads, the more you look stupid. And I'm kind of happy to be the bad guy on the org, someone has to do it.

Alright it's over. I sent this before the orgnote. My bad

TylerHippie said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Alright it's over. I sent this before the orgnote. My bad

mjscarousal said:

Unholyalliance said:

I don't think it's jealousy in the way you are thinking about. I think he may have viewed Prince's stuff as too explicit, because, well, it was back then. Also, considering how MJ grew up as a JW and what his father and older brothers were doing around him...well...I can, definitely, see how he would have an issue with Prince's sexual antics. (That and it was still the 80s.) Also, you have to remember that MJ grew up with Motown as well. Their whole MO was to be able to appeal to as many people as possible. It's something that he completely embraced in his own career. That being said though, I don't think that he had an issue with his music on a whole though. I think he always respected Prince as a musician and probably liked his work. I mean, he tried working with Prince also, but Prince declined.

With Madonna, she used to push the envelope, in the beginning, but it got more explicit within time, but not to Prince's extent in the beginning of the 80s. (If you even listened to her 80s work it's not even explcit. Double entendre heavy yeah, but not explicit. I think you are mainly referring to the Like A Virgin performance.) Even so, he did refer to Madonna as 'witch' and he has expressed disgust with her back when they had that brief fling...or whatever. He was interested in working with her, but he ended up not doing it, because, and I quote from someone who saw her leave the room they were both in: "Madonna's scary." Maybe he really didn't like the thought of him dressing up as a woman. ^^;; Even Madonna complained about it & it which may have led to the Janet jackson v. Madonna thing that had went on as well. So, in general, I don't really think he approved of either of their hyper-sexual antics tbqh. I bet you $100 that even Prince looks back and doesn't approve of it anymore.

So in general, despite his personal feelings, I think he may have been interested in doing something with each of them, because he could envision how fucking awesome that would have been, but, alas, people's egoes got in the way.

I agree. He respected both of them to be honest regardless of what level of talent he thought they both had. He has praised Prince ALOT of times. He really admired him and wanted to work with him.

Here is the video... the title is VERY misleading you know the media how they overexaggerate. I still cant get over why his SO CALLED friend would publicly reveal this AFTER Michael passed

OHHHHH thats right for Money

I do think Madonna had a thing for Michael though She has said she was smitten for MJ

MJ was a terrified of Madonna as a sexual being, just like he was of Naomi during the video shoot. I think he tried to come off as too cool for them so people wouldn't realize his sexual dysfunctions.

[Edited 8/12/11 8:09am]

Simple.....because Madonna is white and Micheal knows the system of white supremacy just like the rest of us wheter we admit it or not. Prince is black so he can get away with harsh critisms of him or any other person of color. Now in private that's another matter,Michael might hate her but in public we'll never know.That's just the nature of the beast folks.

The Janet Jackson /Justin Timberlake Superbowl blowup is another example of this double standard.

Look whose career took the most negative impact in that fiasco.

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

I agree. He respected both of them to be honest regardless of what level of talent he thought they both had. He has praised Prince ALOT of times. He really admired him and wanted to work with him.

Here is the video... the title is VERY misleading you know the media how they overexaggerate. I still cant get over why his SO CALLED friend would publicly reveal this AFTER Michael passed

OHHHHH thats right for Money

I do think Madonna had a thing for Michael though She has said she was smitten for MJ

MJ was a terrified of Madonna as a sexual being, just like he was of Naomi during the video shoot. I think he tried to come off as too cool for them so people wouldn't realize his sexual dysfunctions.

[Edited 8/12/11 8:09am]

Sexual dysfunctions.. what tha hell you talking bout?

Michael was just very shy and he flirted with Naomi all through the set of In the Closet. I have to see if I can find the behind the scenes footage. She also spoke highly about him.

Obviously Michael is going to be extra shy with a woman like Madonna. Michael was shelter and a JW. Madonna was very wild and came on very strong. Mike was not like that but just because he was shy doesnt mean he had sexual dysfunctions.

He was a JW during this time.

leopold said:

Simple.....because Madonna is white and Micheal knows the system of white supremacy just like the rest of us wheter we admit it or not. Prince is black so he can get away with harsh critisms of him or any other person of color. Now in private that's another matter,Michael might hate her but in public we'll never know.That's just the nature of the beast folks.

The Janet Jackson /Justin Timberlake Superbowl blowup is another example of this double standard.

Look whose career took the most negative impact in that fiasco.

mjscarousal said:

RKJCNE said:

MJ was a terrified of Madonna as a sexual being, just like he was of Naomi during the video shoot. I think he tried to come off as too cool for them so people wouldn't realize his sexual dysfunctions.

[Edited 8/12/11 8:09am]

Sexual dysfunctions.. what tha hell you talking bout?

Michael was just very shy and he flirted with Naomi all through the set of In the Closet. I have to see if I can find the behind the scenes footage. She also spoke highly about him.

Obviously Michael is going to be extra shy with a woman like Madonna. Michael was shelter and a JW. Madonna was very wild and came on very strong. Mike was not like that but just because he was shy doesnt mean he had sexual dysfunctions.

He was a JW during this time.

This book goes very in depth behind the scenes of in the closet from it's executive producer. It claims Naomi sent MJ crying to his trailer from being so sexual.

But I forgot, you are a total MJ nut so you probly think there wasn't anything bizarre at all about his sexuality.

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

Sexual dysfunctions.. what tha hell you talking bout?

Michael was just very shy and he flirted with Naomi all through the set of In the Closet. I have to see if I can find the behind the scenes footage. She also spoke highly about him.

Obviously Michael is going to be extra shy with a woman like Madonna. Michael was shelter and a JW. Madonna was very wild and came on very strong. Mike was not like that but just because he was shy doesnt mean he had sexual dysfunctions.

He was a JW during this time.

This book goes very in depth behind the scenes of in the closet from it's executive producer. It claims Naomi sent MJ crying to his trailer from being so sexual.

But I forgot, you are a total MJ nut so you probly think there wasn't anything bizarre at all about his sexuality.

Umm...there is no such thing. Sexuality is different for everyone, so we'd have to extablish a "normal" before labeling bizarre. And it didn't look like he was shying away from her in the actual video.

No need to be rude, though.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Umm...there is no such thing. Sexuality is different for everyone, so we'd have to extablish a "normal" before labeling bizarre. And it didn't look like he was shying away from her in the actual video.

No need to be rude, though.

Yeah he actually doesn't look shy at all when she's riding him on he sand in the In the closet making of...

*wink wink*

And speaking of that Video Slut book:

“Video Slut” by Sharon Oreck,

“Sharon…” Naomi drawls in her broad British accent. “I’m just not getting it together with Michael, and I don’t know whats going wrong. Herb said you could tell me what to do.”

“Naomi, if in the end you can’t count on Michael to come to you, maybe you should just think about going to him.”

All of a sudden Naomi’s face lights up, as if she has just heard the solution to The Da Vinci Code. Then we see Naomi pull Michael over for a confidential tete-a-tete, after which Michael literally leaps away from her and disappears into his trailer. Herb is summoned to the trailer and emerges to ask me, “What exactly did you tell Naomi to do earlier?”

“Nothing really, I just told her to dance closer to him. Why?”

“Michael said that Naomi asked him if she could, uh, uh, suck his cock!”

After the video shoot MTV hosts an event called MY DINNER WITH MICHAEL.

Sharon Oreck said, “I saw Herb making his entrance past the paparazzi with Naomi, who appeared to be ten sheets to the wind at least forty paces before she even got to the bar.

“Naomi! Herb!” the photographers shoutas Herb attempted to steer Naomi down the red carpet. How’s the video?”

“I want to suck Michael Jackson’s cock!”

Naomi dutifully tried to inform the free press as Herb shoved her in the door while attempting to gag her with his spare hand.

More on Madge:

Jamie Foster on the Joan River Show about the Ivy date,

She stated that at the time when MJ and Madonna were at the Ivy restaurant, MJ was sitting at the table staring at Madonna’s boobs. This was the only did he thing, he just sat there staring at Madonna’s boobs. Madonna wondered, “What’s up with him and these boobs?” So she took MJ’s hand and placed them on her breast. Jamie says MJ was shocked by this.

From Kit Culkin’s (Macaulay’s father) book Lost boy:

In a moment of unintended self-revelation, he [Michael Jackson] told me (with his hand cupped over his mouth in a gesture of ”I shouldn’t”) about how a highly popular female entertainer (I’ll withold the name) had once exposed herself to him (his words) just to see how he would react; a confession that caused him to visibly blush.

Chicago Sun Times, Nov 15, 1992

Singer Michael Jackson reportedly went shopping in an LA bookstore for Madonna’s new book, Sex, wearing a black surgical mask and a baseball hat. The book was out of stock. No word on who Jackson startled next.

Herald Journal, Nov 19, 1994

Slapped back . According to “Michael Jackson Unauthorized,” the new biography by Christopher Andersen, the oddball pop legend called Madonna a heifer.

Orlando Sentinel, Nov 25, 1994

Not to her face, of course, but Moo-donna heard about it anyway. Her response: “I’d rather look like a cow than a space-alien drag queen.”

Conversations With Rabbi Schmuley, 2000/1

SB: And by the way, that’s what happened to Madonna. Madonna overexposed herself. She’s still a celebrity but she’s not what she was.
MJ: Yeah, I know.
SB: She didn’t even overexpose herself, Michael, through TV and music. It wasn’t that she gave too many interviews. Rather, she overexposed her body. She was a sex symbol. People wanted to know what her body looked like, and she did that stupid, sleazy, disgusting book, and all you had to was buy the book. The mystery was permanently gone.
MJ: I know. I know. Exactly, right.
[...]
SB: Like Madonna, who’s often been criticized for taking advantage of the male sexual drive to sort of get all these guys hunkering after her to make her popular.
MJ: Yeah, uh huh. Aha.
[...]
SB: What about jealousy from other stars? Is there a lot of jealousy in your profession?
MJ: Absolutely. They admire you and know you are wonderful and great because they are jealous, because they wish they were in your shoes. And “M” is one of them. Madonna is one of them. She is jealous. She is a girl, a woman and I think that’s what bothers her. I think women don’t scream for other women. Men are too cool to scream for women. I get the fainting and adulation and she doesn’t.
[...]
MJ:Madonna has never apologized.She is jealous.
SB:She wants to be the biggest star in the world?
MJ:Yes, she is jealous
SB:You can’t understand that. You would say”What are you jealous for? You do your thing. I do my thing”.
MJ:But at the same time she will come to my concert and cry. She comes there and tears rolling down her face for the song and the presentation of the song. There are some good qualities in her.
SB: There are good qualities in her. But you’re saying she allows her jealousy to mask them at times. But if someone does that,they don’t even have to ask for forgiveness because you will just forgive them?
MJ:Yes
[...]
SB: You have around some mean women, as well, who behave in a masculine-aggressive way, like Madonna. You told me that she can be mean.
[...]
MJ: Remember the line I told you? Madonna laid the law down to me before we went out. “I am not going to Disneyland, okay? That’s out.” I said, “But I didn’t ask you to go to Disneyland.” She said, “We are going to the restaurant and afterwards we are going to a strip bar.” I said, “I am not going to a strip bar.” Guys who cross-dress [note: House of Xtravaganza, Madonna talks about it in The Advocate]! Afterwards she wrote some mean things about me in the press and I wrote that she is a nasty witch, after I was so king to her. I have told you that we were at the table eating and some little kids came up. “Oh my God, Michael Jackson and Madonna. Can we have your autograph?” She said, “Get out of here. Leave us alone.” I said, “Don’t ever talk to children like that.” She said, “Shut up.” I said, “You shut up.” That’s how we were. Then we went out again and went to the Academy Awards and she is not a nice person. I have to say it. She is not a nice person.
SB: Did the people around you feel that it was important to be seen with her?
MJ: They knew nothing about it. This was totally between her and me.
SB: So you gave it a chance and it didn’t work?
MJ: Yea, I gave it a chance like I try and give everything a chance.
SB: You basically saw that your values do not match those of most Hollywood people.
MJ: No, they do lots of crazy things that I am not into and at the time I was with Madonna she was into these boks, a whole library of women who were tied to walls. She said, “I love spanky books.” Why do I want to see that?
SB: I think a lot of it is the image. She once said something to the effect that she would much rather read a good book than have sex. I think the other vulgar stuff is part of the outrageous image she tries to cultivate.
MJ: She’s lying [about preferring to read a book]. I can’t judge. I don’t know if she has changed or if she [is] trying to claim she has changed.
SB: Why doe she say mean things?
MJ: I think she likes shock value and she knows how push buttons on people. I think she was sincerely in love with me and I was not in love with her. She did a lot of crazy things and that’s how that went. I knew we had nothing in common. But I am pretty sure that having a baby has to change you. I don’t know how much she has changed. I’m sure she is a better person than before.
SB: She has two children now.
MJ: Yea, I know. How would you like getting a phone call and she is telling you that she is putting her fingers between her legs. I would say, “Oh Madonna, please.” She said, “What I want you to when I hung up the phone is rub yourself and think of me.” That’s the kind of stuff she says. She does. When I see her she says, “This is the finger I used last night.” Wild, out of control.

SB: That kind of thing that Madonna was saying is only shocking at first. Then it quickly becomes humdrum and boring. That’s why she has to push the envelope and become more and more shocking just to sustain our interest in her. When people have their breasts out the whole time then you stop looking. Do you see that as vulgar?
MJ: What she does? Absolutely. She is not sexy at all. I think sexy comes from the heart in the way you present yourself.

[Edited 8/12/11 8:52am]

mjscarousal said:

carinemjj said:

or his older sister making playboy magazine.. eewwww

To be honest, I think Michael was more hip to alot of things than what people thought and the only reason why people probably thought he was unaware was because he didnt run his mouth... but Michael knew alot and probably had opinions about alot he just didnt speak of them publicly...

Class act to the T.

I agree. I remember Michael saying that it was "tacky" to BRAG about how much money you have, or how many cars you have,etc. He also said that he didn't like talking/bragging about the women that he dated because it was private. He really was a CLASS ACT!

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

Sexual dysfunctions.. what tha hell you talking bout?

Michael was just very shy and he flirted with Naomi all through the set of In the Closet. I have to see if I can find the behind the scenes footage. She also spoke highly about him.

Obviously Michael is going to be extra shy with a woman like Madonna. Michael was shelter and a JW. Madonna was very wild and came on very strong. Mike was not like that but just because he was shy doesnt mean he had sexual dysfunctions.

He was a JW during this time.

This book goes very in depth behind the scenes of in the closet from it's executive producer. It claims Naomi sent MJ crying to his trailer from being so sexual.

But I forgot, you are a total MJ nut so you probly think there wasn't anything bizarre at all about his sexuality.

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There is footage of him and Naomi together behind the scenes and it shows they had fun together and a good chemistry. I am not sure how true that is. With MJ you cant believe everything you hear. However that has NOTHING to do with SEXUALITY even if it was true.

You are insinuating just because Michael was shy around women which he was IN GENERAL that something was wrong with his sexuality not only is that being judgemental that is just plain ignorance.

If Im a nut then you must be a damn fool if you mean to tell me your going to believe a biased responce and label a man based on that opinion as being sexually dysfunctional

Naomi talked about Michael as a matter of fact all the women in Michaels video talked about Michael and said he was a flirt and positive things. They didnt say anything of the sort. The one thing in common they did say was that he was shy which is the obvious

But if YOU want to think Michael was sexually dyfunctional because he was shy then go right ahead... keeping in mind he grew up very shelter, very religious and was painfully shy.

mjscarousal said:

RKJCNE said:

MJ was a terrified of Madonna as a sexual being, just like he was of Naomi during the video shoot. I think he tried to come off as too cool for them so people wouldn't realize his sexual dysfunctions.

[Edited 8/12/11 8:09am]

Sexual dysfunctions.. what tha hell you talking bout?

Michael was just very shy and he flirted with Naomi all through the set of In the Closet. I have to see if I can find the behind the scenes footage. She also spoke highly about him.

Obviously Michael is going to be extra shy with a woman like Madonna. Michael was shelter and a JW. Madonna was very wild and came on very strong. Mike was not like that but just because he was shy doesnt mean he had sexual dysfunctions.

He was a JW during this time.

Thank you. It's amazing how some people try to psycho-analyze everything having to do with Michael. Thanks again for telling it like it is.

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

Sexual dysfunctions.. what tha hell you talking bout?

Michael was just very shy and he flirted with Naomi all through the set of In the Closet. I have to see if I can find the behind the scenes footage. She also spoke highly about him.

Obviously Michael is going to be extra shy with a woman like Madonna. Michael was shelter and a JW. Madonna was very wild and came on very strong. Mike was not like that but just because he was shy doesnt mean he had sexual dysfunctions.

He was a JW during this time.

This book goes very in depth behind the scenes of in the closet from it's executive producer. It claims Naomi sent MJ crying to his trailer from being so sexual.

But I forgot, you are a total MJ nut so you probly think there wasn't anything bizarre at all about his sexuality.

AWell, let's see who I believe-Naomi AND the footage of the Behind-the Scenes or someone who probably knows shit about what happened. Btw, I have never heard of any woman who said that Michael was crying because they were "too sexual". On the contrary, basically every woman who has worked around him or been with him says that he was VERY flirtatious. Again, I will believe them over these nuts who want to be arm-chair psychiatrics anyday. Btw you don't have to be a so-called "MJ Nut" to have logical reasoning, deduction skills and just plain common sense to see that a LOT of the shit written about Michael was by NUTS who don't know fuck.

Damn...if Michael said that about Madonna, I wonder what he's said about Prince.

Does anuyone have some interview with Michael talking about Prince?

TylerHippie said:

Damn...if Michael said that about Madonna, I wonder what he's said about Prince.

Does anuyone have some interview with Michael talking about Prince?

Here:

Prince visits Michael, 1984

Soon after viewing “Purple Rain”, Michael invited Prince over to his home for dinner with Janet and La Toya. Prince is said to have made a few unsuccessful passes at La Toya. At the end of the evening, Prince gave Michael a gift – a box containing leaves, twigs and a cassette of some satanic like chants. “Michael Jackson: The Magic and the Madness” reported a similar event. “At another encounter with Michael, Prince brought him a present in a small box. Inside there were some colorful metal charms and some feathers. Michael closed the box quickly and shot a look at Quincy Jones, who was present. Then Prince left.”

According to Dance Music Sex Romance:

While Prince was in Los Angeles, Quincy Jones arranged for him to meet Michael Jackson over dinner at Jackson’s Encino family home. Jones felt the two creative forces should know one another. “It was a strange summit,” according to writer Quincy Troupe. They’re so competitive with each other that neither would give anything up. They kind of sat there checking each other out, but saying very little. It was a fascinating stalemate between two very powerful dudes.”

Dance Music Sex Romance: Prince: The First Decade

While working at the Samuel Goldwyn Soundstage, Prince received a visit from Michael Jackson, whom he promptly challenged to a game of table tennis, using a table that had been set up in the middle of the sound stage room. “Michael said, ‘I don’t know how to play ping-pong!’” Rogers remembers. “But Prince took one pad and gave Michael the other, and they started very politely volleying the ball back and forth. Suddenly, Prince said, ‘C’mon, Michael, get into it,’ and he slammed the ball into Michael’s crotch. I was rolling my eyes!’ ‘Oh God, he’s embarressing himself.’ But Michael knows how to handle himself and he didn’t seem to care. Then Michael started flirting with Sherilyn Fenn who was visiting Prince in the studio. Prince was pacing, but he wasn’t going to get into the game of flirting back. They said their hasty goodbyes.’”

Another version of this meeting

Jackson showed up backstage at a couple Prince shows in 1984. The two icons, whose “Thriller” and “Purple Rain” defined the 1980s, never did work together. Later that decade, when both were recording at the same Los Angeles studio, Prince invited Jackson to play ping-pong. Michael, a star since age 8 who had lived a sheltered life, didn’t know how.

“You want me to slam it?” Prince asked, according to engineer David Z, who was there. “Michael drops his paddle and holds his hands up in front of his face so the ball won’t hit him. Michael walks out with his bodyguard, and Prince starts strutting around like a rooster. ‘Did you see that? He played like Helen Keller.’”

But Bland insists the two icons got along fine: “They’d shoot hoops at Paisley Park,” Prince’s studio/home in Chanhassen. “We used to get packages from MJJ Productions [with] footage of Sly Stone performing in Europe. Prince would pop it in the VCR, and we’d watch it.”

On Getting Together to Record Bad, 1987

Reports said that Michael Jackson was still bugged by the success of “Purple Rain”. He wanted more than just his goody, wholesome image. He wanted to show a “badder” side. The plan was to plant false stories in the tabloids (as many celebreties do) that there was a heated rivalry between the two. The plan would continue by having Michael’s manger making a statement in Rolling Stone magazine claiming that the rumors were untrue and that the two were actually good friends. With the controversy in full swing, the musical showdown of the century would begin. The two would finally meet on the single and video of “Bad”. Prince was actually willing to listen to Michael’s offer. But as it turned out, Prince was not satisfied. The “Bad” video ended up with Michael singing alone, facing off against a then little known Wesley Snipes in 1987. In a recent interview by Chris Rock, Prince said, “Well, that Wesley Snipes character, that would’ve been me (laughs). You run that video in your mind. The first line of that song is ‘Your butt is mine’. Now I said ‘Who gonna sing that to who? Cause you sure ain’t singin’ it to me. And I sure ain’t singin’ it to you’. So right there we got, y’know, right there we got a problem.”

Quincy Jones on this meeting,

“Michael Jackson – Bad” was originally supposed to be a duet with Prince and Michael, but Quincy says on the 25th Anniversary Release of Bad that Prince turned it down because he “felt it was a hit without him.”

During the taping of the Grammys, March 1988

During a short break, Quincy Jones played a practical joke on Michael. He placed a photo of Prince on the seat next to him. Michael nodded his head as to say, “No Way!”
- Tatiana Thumbtzen’s bio

Bad Tour, Mike’s guitarist Jennifer Batten, 1988

Somebody we know wanted us to ask you if you have ever met Prince.

Yeah, I didn’t actually officially meet him. He came backstage at one of the Jackson shows on the Bad tour, he had Shelia E and Cat with him. I had some friends who were sitting behind him at the show, they said he went nuts when I did my solo on Beat It! [chuckles] But I never met him personally

Bruce Swedien, Black&White Magazine, 1994

BLACK&WHITE : Bob Jones told us Prince stopped by awhile ago, what’s up with that?!?

Bruce Swedien : This is true, Prince came to the studio. He was passing by, stopped in and wanted to see Michael…he hung around and heard a few songs…

BLACK&WHITE : Did he like them?

Bruce Swedien : He said they were good.

According to Rob Hoffman on Gearsltuz, 1994/5

For what it’s worth, MJ and Prince did have a meeting during HIStory as well. We were all kicked out of the room however (Prince’s wishes, not MJ’s), so I don’t know what was said.

Barry Gibs Interview March 24th, 2000

“I have a huge ego and a huge inferiority complex at the same time,” he says. “I’ve worked with a lot of people who are more famous than myself who are terribly insecure. Michael Jackson once asked me, `Do you think Prince is better than me?’ Can you imagine that, after all he has achieved?

Crave online Interview With Will.I.Am, 2007

Will.i.am: I don’t know but I know that one time I was in Vegas and [Michael Jackson's] like, “Oh, I heard you’re in Vegas.”

I was like, “Yeah, we have a show tonight. Can you come?”

“What time you guys go on?”

We go on at 9 o’clock. I swear to God, “Oh, rats.” He said rats. “Oh, rats, I can’t. I’ve got to put the kids to sleep.”

All right, well after we perform with the Peas, I’m performing with Prince. You should come to the show. So Prince invited me to perform with him at the Palms. Maybe you can come see me perform with Prince.

So Michael Jackson says, “Oh really? I’d love to. Call Prince and see if it’s cool.” I call Prince’s assistant. She’s like sure. So I’m like, “Yo, Mike, it’s great.”

Come on, dude. This sh*t ain’t real. To me, that that happened, it sounds like a big ass lie, right? Yeah, I’ll just call Prince and then bring Michael Jackson but it’s the realest sh*t. So, I’m late. I’m late. I’m in the cab, like aw, man, what a time to be f*ckin’ late. I’m always late and I’m late for Michael Jackson to see me perform with Prince.

So I hop off the cab and I’m running in Las Vegas. I’m running and people are like, “Wyclef!”

I’m like f*ck you, right? Then I run and I get to the place and I perform for Prince and I walk off stage and Michael’s there.

He’s like, “That was awesome. I didn’t know you rapped.” I was like, “What? You don’t know I rap? I’m in the Black Eyed Peas.”

“I didn’t think it was you that was the rapper. I thought it was the other guy.”

I was like, “No, that’s me, dude.”

“You’re awesome, that was awesome. We need to do something like that on my record where you rap and I sing.” Yeah, but that was a great experience to have Mike see me perform with Prince. It was nuts. That’s great, cool.

German interview with Will.I.Am, 2007

Sp: You’ve also worked with Prince? The man has shocked the recording industry, by giving away his new CD in Great Britain for free with a newspaper.

Will.i.am: A visionaire. I performed with him. A few months ago,I was with the Black Eyed Peas in Las Vegas. Prince calls me, he played in a Casino and asks, “You want to perform with me tonight?” Sure, I say, of course! The next day his assistant called me and said: “Prince would like to know if you want to come along this evening too.” Want to? What’s more cool than to play with Prince? Right, to play with him two days in a row! A few minutes later I get a further call: “Hey, it’s Mike, wat are you doing?” Mike? Michael Jackson? Wow! He had changed studios at that time, from Ireland to Las Vegas. I say: “Hey, I’m playing with Prince here tonight.”

“Prince? That is great!”

“You should come!”

“Really? That would be cool!”

“That would be really cool!”

“Okay, I’ll come.” Imagine that: I’m playing with Prince, and Michael Jackson sits in the audience! Holy ish! What chance is there to get a call from Prince and then one from Michael Jackson within ten minutes?

Sp: that chance is zero.

Will.i.am: Right. Okay, I head for the concert in the early evening and – get stuck in traffic! I think by myself, @#$%, this is the worst time to be stuck ! So I jump out of the car and start to run. I make it at the last second into the club. Everything goes smoothly, after three minutes I ‘m back from the stage, Prince still yells in the microphone “Give it up for Will.i.am!” I creep into the hall and sit down to the table of – Michael Jackson. So he really came!

“What did you think of me?”, I ask him.

He answers: “I did not know you rapped.”

Now I ask you? The man lets me fly to bloody Ireland for a few photographs, and he doesn’t even know that I am not only a producer, but also a rapper!

I say: “Have you never heard my music, or looked at my videos? I @#$#%’ am the main rapper of the Black Eyed Peas!” Anyways. Besides Michael Jackson sits the actor Chris Tucker, and then Prince comes down from the stage to us…

Sp: … and sees Michael Jackson sitting at the table with you?

Will.i.am: Yo. He had his bass still strapped on and stops at our table. So there we sit : Michael Jackson, Chris Tucker and I. Prince stands directly before Michael Jackson and improvises on the bass: Slap! He does nothing- nothing! – and says nothing! Simply plays . What a scene! When Prince is again back on stage, Michael Jackson says to me: “Prince played his bass in the middle of my face! What’s up with that?” Now now, I say: “you are finally incognito here! Imagine that Prince would have said: ‘and by the way Michael Jackson is sitting here.’ The people are already excited because of Prince, let alone knowing you’re also here!” Yep, that was it then, the craziest night of my life.

Sp: And when you tell this story, nobody believes you.

Will.i.am: I would not even believe it! But I have to say: It is true. Each word. The next morning I had breakfast with Michael Jackson, we worked a bit on songs together – and that was the last time that I saw him.

smoothcriminal12 said:

TylerHippie said:

Damn...if Michael said that about Madonna, I wonder what he's said about Prince.

Does anuyone have some interview with Michael talking about Prince?

Here:

Yeah, I didn’t actually officially meet him. He came backstage at one of the Jackson shows on the Bad tour, he had Shelia E and Cat with him. I had some friends who were sitting behind him at the show, they said he went nuts when I did my solo on Beat It! [chuckles] But I never met him personally

Bruce Swedien, Black&White Magazine, 1994

BLACK&WHITE : Bob Jones told us Prince stopped by awhile ago, what’s up with that?!?

Bruce Swedien : This is true, Prince came to the studio. He was passing by, stopped in and wanted to see Michael…he hung around and heard a few songs…

BLACK&WHITE : Did he like them?

Bruce Swedien : He said they were good.

According to Rob Hoffman on Gearsltuz, 1994/5

For what it’s worth, MJ and Prince did have a meeting during HIStory as well. We were all kicked out of the room however (Prince’s wishes, not MJ’s), so I don’t know what was said.

Barry Gibs Interview March 24th, 2000

“I have a huge ego and a huge inferiority complex at the same time,” he says. “I’ve worked with a lot of people who are more famous than myself who are terribly insecure. Michael Jackson once asked me, `Do you think Prince is better than me?’ Can you imagine that, after all he has achieved?

Crave online Interview With Will.I.Am, 2007

Will.i.am: I don’t know but I know that one time I was in Vegas and [Michael Jackson's] like, “Oh, I heard you’re in Vegas.”

I was like, “Yeah, we have a show tonight. Can you come?”

“What time you guys go on?”

We go on at 9 o’clock. I swear to God, “Oh, rats.” He said rats. “Oh, rats, I can’t. I’ve got to put the kids to sleep.”

All right, well after we perform with the Peas, I’m performing with Prince. You should come to the show. So Prince invited me to perform with him at the Palms. Maybe you can come see me perform with Prince.

So Michael Jackson says, “Oh really? I’d love to. Call Prince and see if it’s cool.” I call Prince’s assistant. She’s like sure. So I’m like, “Yo, Mike, it’s great.”

Come on, dude. This sh*t ain’t real. To me, that that happened, it sounds like a big ass lie, right? Yeah, I’ll just call Prince and then bring Michael Jackson but it’s the realest sh*t. So, I’m late. I’m late. I’m in the cab, like aw, man, what a time to be f*ckin’ late. I’m always late and I’m late for Michael Jackson to see me perform with Prince.

So I hop off the cab and I’m running in Las Vegas. I’m running and people are like, “Wyclef!”

I’m like f*ck you, right? Then I run and I get to the place and I perform for Prince and I walk off stage and Michael’s there.

He’s like, “That was awesome. I didn’t know you rapped.” I was like, “What? You don’t know I rap? I’m in the Black Eyed Peas.”

“I didn’t think it was you that was the rapper. I thought it was the other guy.”

I was like, “No, that’s me, dude.”

“You’re awesome, that was awesome. We need to do something like that on my record where you rap and I sing.” Yeah, but that was a great experience to have Mike see me perform with Prince. It was nuts. That’s great, cool.

German interview with Will.I.Am, 2007

Sp: You’ve also worked with Prince? The man has shocked the recording industry, by giving away his new CD in Great Britain for free with a newspaper.

Will.i.am: A visionaire. I performed with him. A few months ago,I was with the Black Eyed Peas in Las Vegas. Prince calls me, he played in a Casino and asks, “You want to perform with me tonight?” Sure, I say, of course! The next day his assistant called me and said: “Prince would like to know if you want to come along this evening too.” Want to? What’s more cool than to play with Prince? Right, to play with him two days in a row! A few minutes later I get a further call: “Hey, it’s Mike, wat are you doing?” Mike? Michael Jackson? Wow! He had changed studios at that time, from Ireland to Las Vegas. I say: “Hey, I’m playing with Prince here tonight.”

“Prince? That is great!”

“You should come!”

“Really? That would be cool!”

“That would be really cool!”

“Okay, I’ll come.” Imagine that: I’m playing with Prince, and Michael Jackson sits in the audience! Holy ish! What chance is there to get a call from Prince and then one from Michael Jackson within ten minutes?

Sp: that chance is zero.

Will.i.am: Right. Okay, I head for the concert in the early evening and – get stuck in traffic! I think by myself, @#$%, this is the worst time to be stuck ! So I jump out of the car and start to run. I make it at the last second into the club. Everything goes smoothly, after three minutes I ‘m back from the stage, Prince still yells in the microphone “Give it up for Will.i.am!” I creep into the hall and sit down to the table of – Michael Jackson. So he really came!

“What did you think of me?”, I ask him.

He answers: “I did not know you rapped.”

Now I ask you? The man lets me fly to bloody Ireland for a few photographs, and he doesn’t even know that I am not only a producer, but also a rapper!

I say: “Have you never heard my music, or looked at my videos? I @#$#%’ am the main rapper of the Black Eyed Peas!” Anyways. Besides Michael Jackson sits the actor Chris Tucker, and then Prince comes down from the stage to us…

Sp: … and sees Michael Jackson sitting at the table with you?

Will.i.am: Yo. He had his bass still strapped on and stops at our table. So there we sit : Michael Jackson, Chris Tucker and I. Prince stands directly before Michael Jackson and improvises on the bass: Slap! He does nothing- nothing! – and says nothing! Simply plays . What a scene! When Prince is again back on stage, Michael Jackson says to me: “Prince played his bass in the middle of my face! What’s up with that?” Now now, I say: “you are finally incognito here! Imagine that Prince would have said: ‘and by the way Michael Jackson is sitting here.’ The people are already excited because of Prince, let alone knowing you’re also here!” Yep, that was it then, the craziest night of my life.

Sp: And when you tell this story, nobody believes you.

Will.i.am: I would not even believe it! But I have to say: It is true. Each word. The next morning I had breakfast with Michael Jackson, we worked a bit on songs together – and that was the last time that I saw him.

Thanks, but I already read this. Like 4 times. Thanks though.

TylerHippie said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Thanks, but I already read this. Like 4 times. Thanks though.

Oh. Other than that, there's no interview where he talks about Prince.

smoothcriminal12 said:

SoulAlive said:

If he hated her and thought she had no talent,how come he wanted to do a song with her in the early 90s?

I have no idea. He probably saw an opportunity for a number one song.

Number one songs means number one sales which means number one $$$$$$. Why would Michael work with Paul M., then buy out the Beatles catalog and sacrafice his friendship with Paul? $$$$$$ Michael was not really Peter Pan, he just played one on TV.