Hmm... Control against an album with 11 tracks, which basically features 10 singles?!? I own and like both albums and both are classics, but Bad wins!

Sure, Bad my be dated (well, for me it's dated by definition, as it was my first MJ album and I probably listened to it half a million time before Dangerous was released), but so is Control.

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Free2BMe said:

Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis wrote EVERY note and LYRIC on Control.

Janet is credited as co-songwriter on every song except 2. So unless you have been in the studio, there is no way of knowing what she did! I'll go with the albumcredits.

PatrickS77 said:

Free2BMe said:

Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis wrote EVERY note and LYRIC on Control.

Janet is credited as co-songwriter on every song except 2. So unless you have been in the studio, there is no way of knowing what she did! I'll go with the albumcredits.

When Control was released, I bought the music collection so that I could play it on the piano/keyboards. I was shocked that the ONLY names on EVERY song was Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Janet's name was NOWHERE to be seen. I have also heard Jimmy Jam and others say that he and Terry Lewis wrote the music and some songs they even had before Janet came to them. They also said that they used Janet's autobiographical details to come up with the lyrics.

Of course, you know people are creditied with being a songwriter, even if they come up with ONE A WORD. I know this for a fact because a young lady that I went to school with wrote a song-she wrote EVERY lyric; however, another young lady added/changed ONE word and is credited as being a "co-writer". That's also the way it is in the music industry. People are getting "co-writer" credits when they really don't deserve it, imo. I hear people bitching about Beyonce claiming songwriting credits, when Janet, Madonna and others are doing the exact same thing. I think that it is pathetic for someone to be considered a SONGwriter, when you only contribute a word/few words. It's not fair to those artists who REALLY write their songs and come up with the melodic line, all or most of the lyrics, rhythmic arrangement, etc. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with collaborating with others to come up with songs; however, I think that some of these people get too much credit for being a songwriter when they have basically done nothing on their own to warrant such a title. It's a pet peeve of mine the way "songwriter" is so callously thrown around.

PatrickS77 said:

Free2BMe said:

Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis wrote EVERY note and LYRIC on Control.

Janet is credited as co-songwriter on every song except 2. So unless you have been in the studio, there is no way of knowing what she did! I'll go with the albumcredits.

EXACTLY! Stay Mad Haters

Free2BMe said:

ThePopLover2 said:

Lie

Are you saying that Janet wrote the lyrics and melodies to songs on Control? Maybe I missed something, please elaborate.

Yet it's okay for you to imply that Jam and Lewis did? I dont need to elaborate nothing.

If Janet wasnt involved in the songs, then I'm pretty sure Jam and lewis would have NO problem admitting she didnt. What would they have to lose? since they were global before working with janet (sarcasm)

Free2BMe said:

PatrickS77 said:

Janet is credited as co-songwriter on every song except 2. So unless you have been in the studio, there is no way of knowing what she did! I'll go with the albumcredits.

When Control was released, I bought the music collection so that I could play it on the piano/keyboards. I was shocked that the ONLY names on EVERY song was Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Janet's name was NOWHERE to be seen. I have also heard Jimmy Jam and others say that he and Terry Lewis wrote the music and some songs they even had before Janet came to them. They also said that they used Janet's autobiographical details to come up with the lyrics.

Of course, you know people are creditied with being a songwriter, even if they come up with ONE A WORD. I know this for a fact because a young lady that I went to school with wrote a song-she wrote EVERY lyric; however, another young lady added/changed ONE word and is credited as being a "co-writer". That's also the way it is in the music industry. People are getting "co-writer" credits when they really don't deserve it, imo. I hear people bitching about Beyonce claiming songwriting credits, when Janet, Madonna and others are doing the exact same thing. I think that it is pathetic for someone to be considered a SONGwriter, when you only contribute a word/few words. It's not fair to those artists who REALLY write their songs and come up with the melodic line, all or most of the lyrics, rhythmic arrangement, etc. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with collaborating with others to come up with songs; however, I think that some of these people get too much credit for being a songwriter when they have basically done nothing on their own to warrant such a title. It's a pet peeve of mine the way "songwriter" is so callously thrown around.

Duh! If they used autobiographical details of Janet's life that makes her a co writer & she should get co credited. Plus Janet played keyboards on her mega hit single "When I think of U" & did some drum programming.

Plus Janet's vocal arrangements are incredible. They remind me of Karen Carpenter.

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Easy. Control.

I don't think my generation knows how good Janet is. D: (I'm 17.)

People 30(or 33) and under for the most part are musically retarded, and I'm ashamed to be part of this mess (28 here) cause it's not always easy finding people in the real world to relate to musically. Though I know tons who like MJ too or sometimes Madonna or sometimes Prince if they still know who he is, it's not the same as it is online, and I'm just really shy about it all.

gusfrancesco said:

Easy. Control.

I don't think my generation knows how good Janet is. D: (I'm 17.)

They really don't. I'm glad some of you do.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Free2BMe said:

When Control was released, I bought the music collection so that I could play it on the piano/keyboards. I was shocked that the ONLY names on EVERY song was Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Janet's name was NOWHERE to be seen. I have also heard Jimmy Jam and others say that he and Terry Lewis wrote the music and some songs they even had before Janet came to them. They also said that they used Janet's autobiographical details to come up with the lyrics.

Of course, you know people are creditied with being a songwriter, even if they come up with ONE A WORD. I know this for a fact because a young lady that I went to school with wrote a song-she wrote EVERY lyric; however, another young lady added/changed ONE word and is credited as being a "co-writer". That's also the way it is in the music industry. People are getting "co-writer" credits when they really don't deserve it, imo. I hear people bitching about Beyonce claiming songwriting credits, when Janet, Madonna and others are doing the exact same thing. I think that it is pathetic for someone to be considered a SONGwriter, when you only contribute a word/few words. It's not fair to those artists who REALLY write their songs and come up with the melodic line, all or most of the lyrics, rhythmic arrangement, etc. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with collaborating with others to come up with songs; however, I think that some of these people get too much credit for being a songwriter when they have basically done nothing on their own to warrant such a title. It's a pet peeve of mine the way "songwriter" is so callously thrown around.

Duh! If they used autobiographical details of Janet's live that makes her a co writer & she should get co credited. Plus Janet played keyboards on her mega hit single "When I think of U" & did some drum programming.

Plus Janet's vocal arrangements are incredible. They remind me of Karen Carpenter.

LMAO. No.

Free2BMe said:

PatrickS77 said:

Janet is credited as co-songwriter on every song except 2. So unless you have been in the studio, there is no way of knowing what she did! I'll go with the albumcredits.

When Control was released, I bought the music collection so that I could play it on the piano/keyboards. I was shocked that the ONLY names on EVERY song was Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Janet's name was NOWHERE to be seen. I have also heard Jimmy Jam and others say that he and Terry Lewis wrote the music and some songs they even had before Janet came to them. They also said that they used Janet's autobiographical details to come up with the lyrics.

Of course, you know people are creditied with being a songwriter, even if they come up with ONE A WORD. I know this for a fact because a young lady that I went to school with wrote a song-she wrote EVERY lyric; however, another young lady added/changed ONE word and is credited as being a "co-writer". That's also the way it is in the music industry. People are getting "co-writer" credits when they really don't deserve it, imo. I hear people bitching about Beyonce claiming songwriting credits, when Janet, Madonna and others are doing the exact same thing. I think that it is pathetic for someone to be considered a SONGwriter, when you only contribute a word/few words. It's not fair to those artists who REALLY write their songs and come up with the melodic line, all or most of the lyrics, rhythmic arrangement, etc. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with collaborating with others to come up with songs; however, I think that some of these people get too much credit for being a songwriter when they have basically done nothing on their own to warrant such a title. It's a pet peeve of mine the way "songwriter" is so callously thrown around.

Every song? Because Monte Moir wrote "The Pleasure Principle". And Janet's friend Melanie Andrews co-wrote "Let's Wait Awhile" with Janet and JJ/TL. I'm just saying. And, because it was a music book, maybe JJ/TL's names were on the songs because they came up with most of the melodies. Songbooks don't ususally list lyricists, per se, do they?

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PatrickS77 said:

Free2BMe said:

Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis wrote EVERY note and LYRIC on Control.

Janet is credited as co-songwriter on every song except 2. So unless you have been in the studio, there is no way of knowing what she did! I'll go with the album credits.

Me too

I could have sworn it was mostly Jimmy & Terry in the album credits and then finally Janet being listed as a co-writer, but I haven't read the booklet in years

A lot of people also forget that some of Janet's most personal stuff on RN was NOT co-written by her,the more fun stuff was. Just playing devil's advocate though it doesn't take away from her capabilities and what she contributed, and she was definitely more involved in the writing in the 90's and so forth

Getting off my "fuck you pop tart motherfuckers" rant but:

No Jimmy & Terry didn't do EVERY song on "Control" and there were OTHER writers alongside JANET too.

Monte Moir wrote AND produced "The Pleasure Principle". Melanie Andrews and Janet co-wrote the lyrics to "Let's Wait Awhile" together and Janet co-wrote the music with J&T. It's also her first track where SHE was the main producer besides J&T where in other tracks she was listed as a co-producer.

Actually Janet wrote less on "Rhythm Nation 1814" than "Control" (Livin' in a World, Miss You Much, The Knowledge, Lonely and Love Will Never Do Without You were J&T-only compositions though Janet composed "Black Cat" all by her lonesome).

I was so disappointed when I first heard the Bad album. It sounded too forced IMO. I felt MJ tried too hard to outsell Thriller. The only songs I like are TWYMMF, Liberian Girl, Another Part of Me and Speed Demon. Control wins for me.

SEANMAN said:

MattyJam said:

Janet seems a lot more popular on the org than MJ. Her albums always seem to get more votes than her brothers on these MJ vs. JJ threads.

Fuck knows why, all of Michael's studio albums are superior to anything Janet's put out.

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Sorry, but

is not better than

...True, even I have to admit that and I'm probably one of a handful of MJ fans that loves "Invincible".

alphastreet said:

I could have sworn it was mostly Jimmy & Terry in the album credits and then finally Janet being listed as a co-writer, but I haven't read the booklet in years

A lot of people also forget that some of Janet's most personal stuff on RN was NOT co-written by her,the more fun stuff was. Just playing devil's advocate though it doesn't take away from her capabilities and what she contributed, and she was definitely more involved in the writing in the 90's and so forth

Thank You, that is also my understanding. Janet was not listed as co-writer until later.

And I remember Janet and Melanie being credited for keyboards too

armpit said:

SEANMAN said:

Sorry, but

is not better than

...True, even I have to admit that and I'm probably one of a handful of MJ fans that loves "Invincible".

Also love Invincible, but VR is a GEM!

Bad is a classic, I love this fine album. Only Speed Demon is weak song.

Never liked any Janet song.

Maybe: What Have U Done 4 Me Lately, but that's only because Prince likes it...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Plus Janet's vocal arrangements are incredible. They remind me of Karen Carpenter.

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I find both quite overrated and dated as whole, but they still have some good tracks. I have to go with Bad because that one has TWYMMF, MITM and "Smooth Criminal" while on Control "When I Think Of You" is the only one that truly stands out for me.

chamber said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Plus Janet's vocal arrangements are incredible. They remind me of Karen Carpenter.

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Why is that funny? I am dead serious. But its not based on just the "Control" project. If U listen to Janet's background vocal layering. They are modeled after Karen Carpenter's vocal style. Jimmy Jam actually verified this. Janet is a huge fan of hers. I feel Janet is an underated singer. Laugh if U want.

Michael said in the Mexico deposition he was inspired by the Carpenters and Barbara Streisand, and I could hear this in his vocals in songs like One Day In Your Life, She's Out of My Life and so forth, and sometimes Janet sounds like Michael or inspired by him, so it's not far of a stretch. I can hear it too with the vibrato sometimes.

armpit said:

SEANMAN said:

Sorry, but

is not better than

...True, even I have to admit that and I'm probably one of a handful of MJ fans that loves "Invincible".

I love Invincible! Don't care what anyone else says...it's tight.

alphastreet said:

Michael said in the Mexico deposition he was inspired by the Carpenters and Barbara Streisand, and I could hear this in his vocals in songs like One Day In Your Life, She's Out of My Life and so forth, and sometimes Janet sounds like Michael or inspired by him, so it's not far of a stretch. I can hear it too with the vibrato sometimes.

Well I'm sure they listened to the same type of music growing up in the same household.

I hate when people say Janet can't sing. She may not have a strong voice. But it is soothing with a nice tone to it. Its not all about screaming in a song. The important thing is having a nice tone. JANET CAN SING! Some people really need to take a listen to her vocal arrangements. Even on her last album Discipline without JJ&TLHer vocal layering is still good...

I LOVE her voice, it's gorgeous and she does so much with it, she could sing, loud, soft, in between, according to the songs. I went when she sang Scream live, she brought MJ back to life and a lot of times, she has sounded like younger mj with his earlier work too

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alphastreet said:

I LOVE her voice, it's gorgeous and she does so much with it, she could sing, loud, soft, in between, according to the songs. I went when she sang Scream live, she brought MJ back to life and a lot of times, she has sounded like younger mj with his earlier work too

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Also on a lot of Janet's slower songs, if u slow the speed down a little. She sounds identical to her brother,to the point that its eerie.