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Reply #60 posted 08/10/11 10:41pm

Unholyalliance

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Mine too, there's something tender about it, I especially love the key changes in it, it sounds hopeful. After his death, it took exactly a year to listen to it again and when I did put it on, I was bawling :*(

I know how you feel. It took me sometime to listen to HIStory after he passed away too. I do agree about how the song feels hopeful. Like, it's telling you not to give up even if life sucks. Ah, dammit thinking about this is still kinda sad... sad

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Reply #61 posted 08/10/11 10:44pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

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I can't listen to Heal the World after his death, I would have felt bad choosing Escapade over that before, but it is what it is. I want to have a good time and stop sulking in misery.

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Reply #62 posted 08/10/11 10:54pm

Emancipation89

alphastreet said:

Emancipation89 said:

I love Heal the World. So what if it's a simple song with easy cheesy words? So is We Are The World. It makes it easier for foreigners and young children to sing along. I love the message of the song; save it for our children...

I love it so much, I just find it too painful to listen to now :*( It meant something to me at one point and still does, I just can't revisit it now...

='( To me, this song became more meaningful and special AFTER MJ's death. I don't think I liked this song as much as I do now when MJ was alive...I don't know how to explain this but since his death it has actually been easier for me to see what he was really about. I learned how to truly appreciate songs like this...

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Reply #63 posted 08/10/11 10:58pm

Unholyalliance

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Reply #64 posted 08/10/11 11:02pm

alphastreet

When life sorta sucked exactly 10 years ago, Heal The World was so inspirational and hopeful to listen to and I would get emotional. When he went through his struggles shortly after, I felt kinda protective and all kinds of shit and let it build up cause I grew too emotionally attached through his music. I'm glad to hear more people are appreciating his message though he wanted it so bad when alive. He shouldn't have had to die this way for that to happen, it was too harsh and too soon :*(

I'm still not over it, but I'm trying so hard to live life to the fullest and find peace, and admit that the sadness has more to do with me than him though I love him too.

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Reply #65 posted 08/10/11 11:23pm

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TonyVanDam said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

!!!!!!!!!!

Dangerous is FULL of filler and just crap. Jam, Dangerous and Remember The Time are the only songs that I can recall that I thoroughly enjoyed. lol lol

1. To my ears, The only filler on Dangerous is Keep The Faith. Michael should have kept that off the album.

2. Since Michael's death, I developed a change of heart about Heal The World. But when he was alive, I used to bitch a lot about this track because it sounded too much like the same old We Are The World-type anthems.

Heal The World is the only song on Dangerous that I don't like. The intro to Black Or White is always skipped as is the long intro to Will You Be There. I also think Heal The World or She Drives Me Wild should've been replaced with Monkey Business and Someone Put Your Hand Out or Superfly Sister

This may not make sense, but Dangerous had better songs, but RN was a better album. Dangerous is like 2 albums.

Part One- Michael and Teddy's Dangerous

Jam

Why You Wanna Trip On Me

In The Closet

She Drives Me Wild

Remember The Time

Can't Let Her Get Away

Part Two- Michael's Dangerous

Heal The World

Black Or White

Who Is It

Give In To Me

Will You Be There

Keep The Faith

Gone Too Soon

Dangerous

Michael was recording Dangerous (originally the Decade project) from 1988-1991 and Rhythm Nation was on of the albums he was listening to at the time along with New Edition's Heartbreak, Guy's debut album, and a couple of other NJS albums

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Reply #66 posted 08/10/11 11:26pm

alphastreet

yeah I agree it does feel like two albums at times, I can put on side 2 at anytime, and have to be in the mood for side 1

Everyone keeps saying Dangerous has better songs than RN but RN flows better, I totally agree with that too, it was just so well made(RN). And Dangerous are considered better songs cause of the two, it's more timeless

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Reply #67 posted 08/10/11 11:27pm

Unholyalliance

bboy87 said:

Heal The World is the only song on Dangerous that I don't like.

You, honestly, prefer Keep The Faith to Heal The World?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!!!

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Reply #68 posted 08/10/11 11:27pm

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Rhythm Nation is one of the albums where I REALLY want to hear the outtakes. Bryan Loren uploaded "Work" online and I wonder if she was working with him before Jam And Lewis fully got on board

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Reply #69 posted 08/10/11 11:29pm

alphastreet

Keep The Faith is awesome!!!!! Stop hating, the lyrics are powerful

Work was recorded in 88' before J&L were recruited for RN, which they almost didn't do cause of A&M not allowing it. Janet wanted them and got her way in the end. Bboy, have you heard Skin Game and You Need Me? They are B-sides for some RN singles, You Need Me was going to be used cause the album was initially to be called Scandal and she would address family issues.

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Reply #70 posted 08/10/11 11:32pm

Unholyalliance

alphastreet said:

Keep The Faith is awesome!!!!! Stop hating, the lyrics are powerful

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That song ruins my day whenever it comes on. No lie.

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Reply #71 posted 08/10/11 11:33pm

alphastreet

Then have faith in Obama. I hope my favourite bitch pulls through, tours and sells pro-Obama shirts again lol

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Reply #72 posted 08/10/11 11:34pm

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alphastreet said:

You Need Me was going to be used cause the album was initially to be called Scandal and she would address family issues.

When it was released, it was said this song was written for a movie that was to star Janet and all of The Time members. What the supposed movie was going to be about, I don't know.

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Reply #73 posted 08/10/11 11:38pm

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Unholyalliance said:

bboy87 said:

Heal The World is the only song on Dangerous that I don't like.

You, honestly, prefer Keep The Faith to Heal The World?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!!!

Yep lol

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Reply #74 posted 08/10/11 11:44pm

alphastreet

MickyDolenz said:

alphastreet said:

You Need Me was going to be used cause the album was initially to be called Scandal and she would address family issues.

When it was released, it was said this song was written for a movie that was to star Janet and all of The Time members. What the supposed movie was going to be about, I don't know.

That's my first time hearing it, maybe they were going to call it Scandal and get Joseph mad....he didn't want her sounding like Prince, so she wanted to 'act' like Prince with The Time lol

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Reply #75 posted 08/10/11 11:46pm

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bboy87 said:

TonyVanDam said:

1. To my ears, The only filler on Dangerous is Keep The Faith. Michael should have kept that off the album.

2. Since Michael's death, I developed a change of heart about Heal The World. But when he was alive, I used to bitch a lot about this track because it sounded too much like the same old We Are The World-type anthems.

Heal The World is the only song on Dangerous that I don't like. The intro to Black Or White is always skipped as is the long intro to Will You Be There. I also think Heal The World or She Drives Me Wild should've been replaced with Monkey Business and Someone Put Your Hand Out or Superfly Sister

This may not make sense, but Dangerous had better songs, but RN was a better album. Dangerous is like 2 albums.

Part One- Michael and Teddy's Dangerous

Jam

Why You Wanna Trip On Me

In The Closet

She Drives Me Wild

Remember The Time

Can't Let Her Get Away

Part Two- Michael's Dangerous

Heal The World

Black Or White

Who Is It

Give In To Me

Will You Be There

Keep The Faith

Gone Too Soon

Dangerous

Michael was recording Dangerous (originally the Decade project) from 1988-1991 and Rhythm Nation was on of the albums he was listening to at the time along with New Edition's Heartbreak, Guy's debut album, and a couple of other NJS albums

I'm gonna give Teddy Riley's version of Dangerous another try since I enjoy him as a producer. The "Michael" side features all those corny ass ballads that I hate lol I'm really not being an ass when I say I don't care for Michael's music outside of Quincy. He just came up with some mess without a talented producer there to reel his ass back in. lol lol lol

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Reply #76 posted 08/10/11 11:49pm

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Although I still like his music of the 90's and so forth even if I don't always agree with how the album is arranged though the songs stand well on their own regardless, do some of you who are indifferent to his work post quincy feel that maybe he really would have done well in acting or directing instead? Or writing songs for others?

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Reply #77 posted 08/11/11 1:01am

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PlayboyOriginal said:

bboy87 said:

Heal The World is the only song on Dangerous that I don't like. The intro to Black Or White is always skipped as is the long intro to Will You Be There. I also think Heal The World or She Drives Me Wild should've been replaced with Monkey Business and Someone Put Your Hand Out or Superfly Sister

This may not make sense, but Dangerous had better songs, but RN was a better album. Dangerous is like 2 albums.

Part One- Michael and Teddy's Dangerous

Jam

Why You Wanna Trip On Me

In The Closet

She Drives Me Wild

Remember The Time

Can't Let Her Get Away

Part Two- Michael's Dangerous

Heal The World

Black Or White

Who Is It

Give In To Me

Will You Be There

Keep The Faith

Gone Too Soon

Dangerous

Michael was recording Dangerous (originally the Decade project) from 1988-1991 and Rhythm Nation was on of the albums he was listening to at the time along with New Edition's Heartbreak, Guy's debut album, and a couple of other NJS albums

I'm gonna give Teddy Riley's version of Dangerous another try since I enjoy him as a producer. The "Michael" side features all those corny ass ballads that I hate lol I'm really not being an ass when I say I don't care for Michael's music outside of Quincy. He just came up with some mess without a talented producer there to reel his ass back in. lol lol lol

Although I disagree with you, I understand why people feel that way. His music took a different direction and many people just didn't like it. At the same time, I think the 1989-1997 material was some of his best. I don't think songs like Stranger In Moscow, Who Is It, Money, Morphine, Little Susie (which Michael wrote during Off The Wall) and They Don't Care About Us would've happened if Quincy was at the producing helm

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Reply #78 posted 08/11/11 1:08am

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Rhythm Nation although Remember the time is a great NSJ record. Also would put Control above Bad.

In 1991 MJ wanted to follow a trend which was almost over, the more smooth and slower RnB/NSJ was becoming the new trend like SWV, Jodeci, MJBlige etc.

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Reply #79 posted 08/11/11 1:21am

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One thing both albums suffer for is overdrawn intros and interludes neutral

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Reply #80 posted 08/11/11 2:52am

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I'm going Dangerous. Just a personal choice. Janet's okay as an artist and Rhythm Nation is my favourite album of hers, but I know which album I've listened to far far FAR more often. Dangerous.

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Reply #81 posted 08/11/11 4:00am

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bboy87 said:

One thing both albums suffer for is overdrawn intros and interludes neutral

Intros & Interludes should be banned from all albums in general!

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Reply #82 posted 08/11/11 5:10am

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Of all her albums, Rhythm Nation is definately Janet's "Thriller" in terms of the sheer strength and chart success of its singles, and that every song on the album could have been a radio hit.

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Reply #83 posted 08/11/11 6:54am

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WildStyle said:

I'm going Dangerous. Just a personal choice. Janet's okay as an artist and Rhythm Nation is my favourite album of hers, but I know which album I've listened to far far FAR more often. Dangerous.

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Reply #84 posted 08/11/11 7:00am

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Unholyalliance said:

bboy87 said:

Heal The World is the only song on Dangerous that I don't like.

You, honestly, prefer Keep The Faith to Heal The World?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!!!

Keep the Faith is the shit cool

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Reply #85 posted 08/11/11 7:08am

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mjscarousal said:

Unholyalliance said:

You, honestly, prefer Keep The Faith to Heal The World?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!!!

Keep the Faith is the shit cool

^THIS.

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Reply #86 posted 08/11/11 7:25am

KCOOLMUZIQ

alphastreet said:

MickyDolenz said:

When it was released, it was said this song was written for a movie that was to star Janet and all of The Time members. What the supposed movie was going to be about, I don't know.

That's my first time hearing it, maybe they were going to call it Scandal and get Joseph mad....he didn't want her sounding like Prince, so she wanted to 'act' like Prince with The Time lol

Yea! The movie idea came from the long version short film reworked live version of Control. That Janet did with The Time. I kind of wish it would have happened. It seemed like a good idea. But I almost felt like Janet was kind of replacing an urban Prince at this time. Just seem like she was being inserted into a female member of The Time. That "Scandal" project would have been just that & the lyrics to "U need me" was a sad story of Joe.

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #87 posted 08/11/11 7:27am

KCOOLMUZIQ

alphastreet said:

Know what else reminds me of that drum section in Tabloid Junkie? The intro to the B-side You Need Me

nod Exactly!

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Reply #88 posted 08/11/11 7:34am

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RN

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Reply #89 posted 08/11/11 8:25am

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Keep The Faith is awesome!!!!! Stop hating, the lyrics are powerful

Work was recorded in 88' before J&L were recruited for RN, which they almost didn't do cause of A&M not allowing it. Janet wanted them and got her way in the end. Bboy, have you heard Skin Game and You Need Me? They are B-sides for some RN singles, You Need Me was going to be used cause the album was initially to be called Scandal and she would address family issues.

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"Skin Game" had a simple funky groove that was indicative of that RN era. Featured Johnny Gill on BGV's. Good message. A little repetitive at the end but still cool cool

"You Need Me" was always a favorite B-side of mine because of its HONESTY and groove of course. Love the subtle two-part harmony on the verses too.

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