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Thread started 08/07/11 6:12pm

Harlepolis

Hammond Organ Heads - Was Fats Waller The First Artist Who Popularized The Instrument?

I'm trying to find old non-classical recordings of the instrument, so far Fats Waller is the only person I could come up with. Am I missing somebody else?

I guess my question should be, whats the FIRST non-classical song that ever used an organ?


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Reply #1 posted 08/07/11 8:35pm

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I'd think it's fair to say.... slowly yes. Your speaking of Hammond organ only right?

Fats Waller played on RCA organ pipes on many of his earlier organ recordings, I think the first time he recorded on an Hammond Electirc Organ was the, "Jitterbug Waltz". Waller taught Count Basie how to play the organ... check out the Count's organ play on "Live and Love Tonight". I know that Waller made some recording over in Europe and they weren't on an Hammond.

Did Waller popularize the organ or was he the first to pull in out of the church, into jazz clubs and record. Yes. In my opinion those who followed Charles Kynard, Wild Bill Davis, and of course Jimmy Smith popularized the organ in a way Waller never did. I would add... the Golden Age for the organ started in the early 50's..... smile

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Reply #2 posted 08/07/11 8:42pm

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What a great thread idea!
Not only can we look into your question but also study other great players of this wonderful instrument.

You've probably nailed it (or at least gotten close) with Fats Waller as the organ was his first instrument.
One thing to keep in mind is that although Laurens Hammond introduced the Model A in 1935, the original B-3 design went into production in 1955 till 1975.

Although Fats may have been one of the first to use it in "non-classical" recordings, i'd give the popularization title to Jimmy Smith.

Have to agree with TD3 as the '50s being the B-3's breakout year.

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Reply #3 posted 08/08/11 6:03am

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theAudience said:

Have to agree with TD3 as the '50s being the B-3's breakout year.

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They certainly shed some light on the instrument, I was inclined to post these songs but I went with Fats for the fact that he came before them...

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TD3 said:

Waller taught Count Basie how to play the organ...

Count Basie Orchestra (Basie on organ) accompanying Judy Garland



...Memories Of You



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Reply #5 posted 08/08/11 12:54pm

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A couple from the man who inspired Jimmy Smith, Wild Bill Davis...



...Johnny Comes Lately & April In Paris



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Reply #6 posted 08/08/11 1:03pm

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An early adopter Milt Buckner...



...The Beast & Robbins Nest



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Reply #7 posted 08/08/11 1:30pm

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Lou Bennett...



...Green Dolphin Street & Pentatitus

Not only played well but customized his rig...

In 1978, being tired of carrying the 200 kilos of his Hammond B3, Lou designs and manufactures an organ to his own specifications, the ‘Bennett Machine’, and thanks to electronics, he contributed improve ments to the traditional instrument, notably on the bass side, introducing special effects, which allow him to multiply ‘the voices’ of his instrument. He explained that "having taken away the lower keyboard of my Hammond, I fixed the thing up to multiply the voices: piano, vibraphones, brasses, strings etc. and put together a sort of orchestra." He re-uses the pedals of two octaves of his B3, and couples a kind of synthetizer there, nearly accomplishing the sound of a double-bass.

...http://mitglied.multimani...b/lou.html



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Reply #8 posted 08/08/11 1:42pm

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theAudience said:

TD3 said:

Waller taught Count Basie how to play the organ...

Count Basie Orchestra (Basie on organ) accompanying Judy Garland



...Memories Of You



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That was so beautiful and touching.

I knew that The Count used to be Fats' buddy back when they used to play organ for the old movie theaters(Thank you, Ken Burns!) but I never heard him play the instrument. For somebody who mastered the "less is more" tradition, I was pleasantly surprised by this.

Is there a compilation that features Count Basie fully on organ?

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Reply #9 posted 08/08/11 1:49pm

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I also believe Ray Charles features the instrument in a couple of his early Atlantic recordings nod The reason why I'm talking shit and not posting clips of those songs is because they're not in youtube lol

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Reply #10 posted 08/08/11 2:37pm

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Can't forget the ladies.


Sarah McLawler...



...Red Light


Trudy Pitts...



...Steppin' in Minor & Take Five


Shirley Scott...



...Caravan & The Blues Ain't Nothin' But Some Pain


Rhoda Scott...



...Hey Hey Hey & Pistaccio


Barbara Dennerlein...



...Jimmy's Walk & Swing The Blondes


Rhoda Scott & Barbara Dennerlein...



...Nova




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Reply #11 posted 08/08/11 2:46pm

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Harlepolis said:

That was so beautiful and touching.

I knew that The Count used to be Fats' buddy back when they used to play organ for the old movie theaters(Thank you, Ken Burns!) but I never heard him play the instrument. For somebody who mastered the "less is more" tradition, I was pleasantly surprised by this.

Is there a compilation that features Count Basie fully on organ?

[img:$uid]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51h23pRuu3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg[/img:$uid]

...Count At The Organ (1965)


How available it is, that's another question.



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Reply #12 posted 08/08/11 3:52pm

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Time for "The Champ", Jimmy Smith...



...The Champ & Bayou




...Willow Weep For Me & Autumn Leaves




...Confirmation & The Sermon




...Back At The Chicken Shack & Minor Chant




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Reply #13 posted 08/08/11 4:01pm

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I actually have that "Jimmy Smith @ The Organ" album. His rendition of "I Cover The Waterfront" got to be one of the most moving and haunting versions ever. Not the perfect analogy, but I'm inclined to put his version head to head with Lady Day's live performance of the song from Carnegie Hall(of the same year).

One of the classic breaks....

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Reply #14 posted 08/08/11 4:04pm

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Not to mention....

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Reply #15 posted 08/08/11 4:21pm

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I found it!! Here's a MYSPACE page dedicated to jazz organist of the 50's who made the Hammond hummmm. cool Most of these cats were there doing the 50's.... biggrin

http://www.myspace.com/ja...2151181%7D

Brotha Ray playing the organ: album, Genius + Soul = Jazz - iTunes, Amazon.

I've been mad busy but I'll be back with a list of jazz organinst must albums; I've tried to upload some music (a dozen or so) onto YouTube but they've been blocked. sad

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Reply #16 posted 08/08/11 5:49pm

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Harlepolis said:

I also believe Ray Charles features the instrument in a couple of his early Atlantic recordings nod The reason why I'm talking shit and not posting clips of those songs is because they're not in youtube lol

I was going to suggest GENUIUS + SOUL = JAZZ , but TD3 beat me to it. cool

Yep, found that out when I went hunting for something by organist Les Strand.

Jimmy Smith called him "The Art Tatum of the organ".

Even the music services are lacking when it comes to non-mainstream material.

And especially when it comes Jazz.

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Gene Ludwig...



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Reply #18 posted 08/08/11 6:25pm

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Harlepolis said:

I actually have that "Jimmy Smith @ The Organ" album. His rendition of "I Cover The Waterfront" got to be one of the most moving and haunting versions ever. Not the perfect analogy, but I'm inclined to put his version head to head with Lady Day's live performance of the song from Carnegie Hall(of the same year).

One of the classic breaks....

Just so anyone following along knows what's being discussed...



...I Cover The Waterfront

Nice cut from Mr. McGriff.

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Reply #19 posted 08/08/11 6:52pm

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TD3 said:

I found it!! Here's a MYSPACE page dedicated to jazz organist of the 50's who made the Hammond hummmm. cool Most of these cats were there doing the 50's.... biggrin

http://www.myspace.com/ja...2151181%7D

Brotha Ray playing the organ: album, Genius + Soul = Jazz - iTunes, Amazon.

I've been mad busy but I'll be back with a list of jazz organinst must albums; I've tried to upload some music (a dozen or so) onto YouTube but they've been blocked. sad

Very nice.

Here's another great resource I found, Jazz Organ History written by Geoff Alexander:

http://www.afana.org/jazzorgan.htm

He points to Fats Waller as the spearhead in his "genealogy" chart.

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Here's another great resource I found, Jazz Organ History written by Geoff Alexander:

http://www.afana.org/jazzorgan.htm

faint I've died and gone to organ heaven history... lol

Thank tA, I can't wait to read throught this treasure trove. cool

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Reply #21 posted 08/09/11 5:34am

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Neal & Trina, you have no idea what ya'll have just done pray worship

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You're both most welcome, but we're just getting started.
We've got the history down but I've got a ton of organ tracks to post up beyond the Jazz genre.

One of my favorites from The Band...



...Chest Fever


Come to find out, Garth Hudson doesn't play a Hammond...

[img:$uid]http://theband.hiof.no/band_pictures/GarthWails75_tag.jpg[/img:$uid]

...It's a Lowrey!


I saw it up close at the RRHOF. Weird instrument.



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Reply #23 posted 08/09/11 6:37pm

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^^^

I probably wouldn't recognize the distinction had you not pointed it out lol

Time to change the pace, what are the EARLIEST classical recordings that feature a hammond organ? hmmm

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Reply #24 posted 08/09/11 7:29pm

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Just in case ya'll wanna really get deep. Hammond Virtual Museum biggrin

I think some jazz organist such as Wild Billy Davis may have played an Hammond C3... it's easy to assume all players played the B3. I'll checkout the link tA provided to learn what gear these gents and ladies played. smile

Another thing....

I was thinking about Holiday and Washington videos Harle posted; the only album I can recall Sarah Vaughan recording with an jazz organist (Ernie Freeman) was, 'Sarah Sings Soulfully' (1963). I'm certain all three ladies record companies suggested they record with the instrument since it had grown in popularity.

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Reply #25 posted 08/09/11 7:42pm

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TD3 said:

Just in case ya'll wanna really get deep. Hammond Virtual Museum biggrin

I think some jazz organist such as Wild Billy Davis may have played an Hammond C3... it's easy to assume all players played the B3. I'll checkout the link tA provided to learn what gear these gents and ladies played. smile

Another thing....

I was thinking about Holiday and Washington videos Harle posted; the only album I can recall Sarah Vaughan recording with an jazz organist (Ernie Freeman) was, 'Sarah Sings Soulfully' (1963). I'm certain all three ladies record companies suggested they record with the instrument since it had grown in popularity.

Thanks babydoll!

I was about to orgnote you a question about whether Sassy got accompanied by an organist or not.

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Reply #26 posted 08/09/11 8:03pm

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Harlepolis said:

^^^

I probably wouldn't recognize the distinction had you not pointed it out lol

Time to change the pace, what are the EARLIEST classical recordings that feature a hammond organ? hmmm

That's definitely a tougher assignment.

Their instrument of choice is generally either a pipe organ or some non-Hammond variety.

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Reply #27 posted 08/09/11 8:14pm

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Harlepolis said:

TD3 said:

Just in case ya'll wanna really get deep. Hammond Virtual Museum biggrin

I think some jazz organist such as Wild Billy Davis may have played an Hammond C3... it's easy to assume all players played the B3. I'll checkout the link tA provided to learn what gear these gents and ladies played. smile

Another thing....

I was thinking about Holiday and Washington videos Harle posted; the only album I can recall Sarah Vaughan recording with an jazz organist (Ernie Freeman) was, 'Sarah Sings Soulfully' (1963). I'm certain all three ladies record companies suggested they record with the instrument since it had grown in popularity.

Thanks babydoll!

I was about to orgnote you a question about whether Sassy got accompanied by an organist or not.

Nice link.

Along with C-3s, there are a lot of A-100s being played also.

Ella did an album...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd800/d816/d81634v3gqb.jpg[/img:$uid]

...Lady Time

Jackie Davis - Organ

Louis Bellson - drums

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Reply #28 posted 08/09/11 8:20pm

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Harlepolis said:

Thanks babydoll!

I was about to orgnote you a question about whether Sassy got accompanied by an organist or not.

Nice link.

Along with C-3s, there are a lot of A-100s being played also.

Ella did an album...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd800/d816/d81634v3gqb.jpg[/img:$uid]

...Lady Time

Jackie Davis - Organ

Louis Bellson - drums

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tA

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Nice line up. I'm listening to Amazon's samples while posting.

Organ is the one instrument I'd rather hear in a minimalist setting as opposed to a full produced setting. Hell, in this case I don't think it will need production given that Miss Ella's voice can provide more than a production.

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Reply #29 posted 08/09/11 8:42pm

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Wow, what the hell did you just lay on me, Ms.Trina?

mushy

Going through Sassy's music is like peeling an onion without the smell. Everytime I thought I got her stuff covered, I wind up with things I was unaware of.

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