TonyVanDam said:

JoeBala said:

But does anyone believe these artist were really murdered?

Jim Morrison? Tough call.

Sam Cooke? No.

Elvis Presley? No (although the rumors about faking his death still exist). Rumor has it that according to Ringo Starr, it was Elvis (who was also a part-time U.S. agent) who told the CIA that he believe John Lennon was the only member of The Beatles that couldn't be trusted because of John's socialist views.

Marilyn Monroe? Yes. She knew some information about secret societies. She once had an affair with John AND Robert Kennedy.

Michael Jackson? Yes. The moment he started to tell his die-hard fans/stans about the dark side of the entertainment industry, he was automatically mark for death.

I think the government and mafia have ruined people's lives in the entertainment industry, esp. during the McCarthy era, but very few have actually have had a hit put out on them. There will always be the question on who & why Tupac and Biggie were killed.

Michael for the past decade had lost a lot of fans, but even if he complained about the entertainment industry, it wasn't enough to put a hit out on him. If anything, he was damaged goods to Sony, and Jackson pretty much was over a barrel using his publishing as collateral. It actually benefitted the Beatles once he did that, because he no longer had any control over their back catalog. The current guy in charge of Apple used to run Sony Legacy, and the reality of EMI being sold could mean The Beatles or Sony could wind up with owning their master tapes. I noticed more Beatles songs in films, so the red tape that used to exist, doesn't.

Lennon's case was discussed in "THe US Vs John Lennon". He discussed having his phone tapped in interviews. Lennon showed up on Nixon's radar because he had performed at a rally for John Sinclair, and was released shortly after.

Jim Morrison had grown up in Florida, didn't want to go to jail in Florida, was waiting to see what was going to happen with the trial, and part of the reason why he went to France was that they couldn't extradite him back. But a lot of venues turned THe Doors away after the Miami incident.

Marilyn became difficult to deal with in her final years, that even if she threatened to expose the Kennedys, they would've just put her in an institution and lobotomized her.

Hit Men, Rick James bios are good on the mafia stuff, but Tommy James wrote a really good one last year about Morris Levy and his associates, one of which was the head of the Genovese family. "Me The Mob and the Music". He pretty much said they ripped him off on singles and publishing, but gave him complete creative control on albums and what they made from touring. Tommy said he didn't start getting royalties on his records until the end of the 80s.

Many rock bands who played NY/NJ in the 60s-80s met the real "Goodfellas".

Steely Dan have talked about the connections Jay and the Americans had to the mafia, and would see them come into the offices. Don and Walt had been backing musicians for Jay prior to the Dan.

I'll have to pick those books up. Thanks for the info. guys. Nobody has mentioned if these things still go on? Did blacklisting with writers and actors back in the day have anything to do with the mob as well?

The mob would have done the entire nation a favor if it had rubbed out this man who ruined so many lives for decades--J. Edgar Hoover. McCarthy was merely his puppet.

JoeBala said:

I'll have to pick those books up. Thanks for the info. guys. Nobody has mentioned if these things still go on? Did blacklisting with writers and actors back in the day have anything to do with the mob as well?

I don't know, but I don't think the mafia just abandoned what they were doing. Some hip hop labels (Rap A Lot) are run by thugs though, who are known for beating up their acts and using the label as a cover for other "activities". I did read that a mobster (don't remember his name) is behind Death Row and Suge Knight was not really in charge.

MickyDolenz said:

JoeBala said:

I'll have to pick those books up. Thanks for the info. guys. Nobody has mentioned if these things still go on? Did blacklisting with writers and actors back in the day have anything to do with the mob as well?

I don't know, but I don't think the mafia just abandoned what they were doing. Some hip hop labels (Rap A Lot) are run by thugs though, who are known for beating up their acts and using the label as a cover for other "activities". I did read that a mobster (don't remember his name) is behind Death Row and Suge Knight was not really in charge.

Suge Knight is pretty monstrous himself. Guy is a total shmuck.

purplethunder3121 said:

The mob would have done the entire nation a favor if it had rubbed out this man who ruined so many lives for decades--J. Edgar Hoover. McCarthy was merely his puppet.

Oh god...

I was livid when I read the "FBI Vs Billie Holiday" account, unbeknownst that she was only one of a LOOOOOOONG list of people who got the J.Edgar Hoover stamp because they chose to speak up on the pitiful conditions people were enduring back in those days as opposed to passively accept them.

But I don't think the mob would be foolish enough to cross him, he was the devil in blue lingerie(Um, literally ).

Spinlight said:

MickyDolenz said:

I don't know, but I don't think the mafia just abandoned what they were doing. Some hip hop labels (Rap A Lot) are run by thugs though, who are known for beating up their acts and using the label as a cover for other "activities". I did read that a mobster (don't remember his name) is behind Death Row and Suge Knight was not really in charge.

Suge Knight is pretty monstrous himself. Guy is a total shmuck.

Jimmy Lovine or whatshisname(Help me out Tony) was the one who controlled Death Row and their estate. Suge is a toothless barking dog compared to Lovine, he def personified the "still waters run deep" saying.

MickyDolenz said:

afro75 said:

Was this before the Illuminati took over?

What does an ancient group from the 1700's have to to with anything today?

They started thousands of years ago.

Harlepolis said:

purplethunder3121 said:

The mob would have done the entire nation a favor if it had rubbed out this man who ruined so many lives for decades--J. Edgar Hoover. McCarthy was merely his puppet.

Oh god...

I was livid when I read the "FBI Vs Billie Holiday" account, unbeknownst that she was only one of a LOOOOOOONG list of people who got the J.Edgar Hoover stamp because they chose to speak up on the pitiful conditions people were enduring back in those days as opposed to passively accept them.

But I don't think the mob would be foolish enough to cross him, he was the devil in blue lingerie(Um, literally ).

Exactly.

Not only was THIS racist son of the bitch a sexual hypocrite (Edger was gay AND a transvestite) but he might be the most dangerous Uncle Tom in USA history (Edger was also part black and scored an A+ on the BPB test).

paisleypark4 said:

MickyDolenz said:

What does an ancient group from the 1700's have to to with anything today?

They started thousands of years ago.

I don't think it was called Illuminati. The earlier groups had something to do with Solomon's Temple from the bible or Horus. They used a geometry logo with a G for God. I read about this years ago from books in the library. I don't remember all of the details, but it had nothing to do with records and songs. But maybe Freemasons/businessmen/government/Vatican/British monarchy/etc. There's a guy named Jordan Maxwell who talks about this kind of thing and also William Cooper who wrote a book called Pale White Horse.

Harlepolis said:

Spinlight said:

Suge Knight is pretty monstrous himself. Guy is a total shmuck.

Jimmy Lovine Iovine or whatshisname(Help me out Tony) was the one who controlled Death Row and their estate. Suge is a toothless barking dog compared to Lovine, he def personified the "still waters run deep" saying.

Corrections done.

And don't forget about Suge's former attorney David Kenner, a man that had plenty of connection to individuals that were members of different crime families.

Besides outing Quincy Jones' bisexuality, the other reason why 2pac was murder was because he knew that Death Row was too deep into dealing business with secret societies (also the main reason why 2pac NEVER wanted The Outlawz signed to Death Row at all, for their own safety no less!) as long as David Kenner was still involve. 2pac successful convince Suge in dropping David as his attorney in exchange for someone else to could help them make Death Row an 100% independent record label without any help from Interscope or the major labels in general.

Sure enough, "some people" were outrage with how 2pac was become too influential for his own good and and therefore was automatically marked for death.

[Edited 8/10/11 11:02am]

TonyVanDam said:

Harlepolis said:

Jimmy Lovine Iovine or whatshisname(Help me out Tony) was the one who controlled Death Row and their estate. Suge is a toothless barking dog compared to Lovine, he def personified the "still waters run deep" saying.

Corrections done.

And don't forget about Suge's former attorney David Kenner, a man that had plenty of connection to individuals that were members of different crime families.

Besides outing Quincy Jones' bisexuality, the other reason why 2pac was murder was because he knew that Death Row was too deep into dealing business with secret societies (also the main reason why 2pac NEVER wanted The Outlawz signed to Death Row at all, for their own safety no less!) as long as David Kenner was still involve. 2pac successful convince Suge in dropping David as his attorney in exchange for someone else to could help them make Death Row an 100% independent record label without any help from Interscope or the major labels in general.

Sure enough, "some people" were outrage with how 2pac was become too influential for his own good and and therefore was automatically marked for death.

[Edited 8/10/11 11:02am]

You better stop before Militant comes in here and defends Pac to the hilt.

Spinlight said:

TonyVanDam said:

Corrections done.

And don't forget about Suge's former attorney David Kenner, a man that had plenty of connection to individuals that were members of different crime families.

Besides outing Quincy Jones' bisexuality, the other reason why 2pac was murder was because he knew that Death Row was too deep into dealing business with secret societies (also the main reason why 2pac NEVER wanted The Outlawz signed to Death Row at all, for their own safety no less!) as long as David Kenner was still involve. 2pac successful convince Suge in dropping David as his attorney in exchange for someone else to could help them make Death Row an 100% independent record label without any help from Interscope or the major labels in general.

Sure enough, "some people" were outrage with how 2pac was become too influential for his own good and and therefore was automatically marked for death.

[Edited 8/10/11 11:02am]

You better stop before Militant comes in here and defends Pac to the hilt.

Excuse you, but I was also a 2pac fan myself. His first 3 career albums represents the REAL 2pac to my ears.

TonyVanDam said:

Spinlight said:

You better stop before Militant comes in here and defends Pac to the hilt.

Excuse you, but I was also a 2pac fan myself. His first 3 career albums represents the REAL 2pac to my ears.

Yes but you and Militant have gone back and forth about the Quincy/Pac gay stuff before since Militant is buddies with Quincy's son and the Outlawz.

Spinlight said:

TonyVanDam said:

Excuse you, but I was also a 2pac fan myself. His first 3 career albums represents the REAL 2pac to my ears.

Yes but you and Militant have gone back and forth about the Quincy/Pac gay stuff before since Militant is buddies with Quincy's son and the Outlawz.

1. I've heard 2pac's exact quoted statements during a recorded interview.

2. Professor Griff and plenty of other conspiracies researchers have heard 2pac's exact statements from that same recorded interview .

Why Militant in THE only one that did not know anything about 2pac's exact statements where 2pac himself outed Quincy is beyond me. But what I would like to know from you Spinlight is what is your exact take of the whole 2pac murder conspiracy situation?

EDIT: I'll let Griff speak for him. Started at the 2:00 mark....

[Edited 8/10/11 14:42pm]

TonyVanDam said:

Harlepolis said:

Oh god...

I was livid when I read the "FBI Vs Billie Holiday" account, unbeknownst that she was only one of a LOOOOOOONG list of people who got the J.Edgar Hoover stamp because they chose to speak up on the pitiful conditions people were enduring back in those days as opposed to passively accept them.

But I don't think the mob would be foolish enough to cross him, he was the devil in blue lingerie(Um, literally ).

Exactly.

Not only was THIS racist son of the bitch a sexual hypocrite (Edger was gay AND a transvestite) but he might be the most dangerous Uncle Tom in USA history (Edger was also part black and scored an A+ on the BPB test).

I haven't heard this before. What are your sources for the information about Hoover's ethnic background. I thought he was 100% white trash devil.

purplethunder3121 said:

TonyVanDam said:

Exactly.

Not only was THIS racist son of the bitch a sexual hypocrite (Edger was gay AND a transvestite) but he might be the most dangerous Uncle Tom in USA history (Edger was also part black and scored an A+ on the BPB test).

I haven't heard this before. What are your sources for the information about Hoover's ethnic background. I thought he was 100% white trash devil.

Use you favorite search engine and type, The Mysterious Origins of J. Edger Hoover.

http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/hoover.htm

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/hoover_fbi.htm

That "white trash devil" was NEVER a white man to begin with.

TonyVanDam said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I haven't heard this before. What are your sources for the information about Hoover's ethnic background. I thought he was 100% white trash devil.

Use you favorite search engine and type, The Mysterious Origins of J. Edger Hoover.

http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/hoover.htm

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/hoover_fbi.htm

That "white trash devil" was NEVER a white man to begin with.

If Hitler was a Jew, I could def believe this.

Harlepolis said:

TonyVanDam said:

Use you favorite search engine and type, The Mysterious Origins of J. Edger Hoover.

http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/hoover.htm

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/hoover_fbi.htm

That "white trash devil" was NEVER a white man to begin with.

If Hitler was a Jew, I could def believe this.

Adolf Hitler's biological father Alois Hitler may have been an Ashkenazi Jew, so who knows?!?

The one thing that I'm aware of is that Adolf was bisexual on a down low. True story!

Going to the library to see if they have Hitman.