dalsh327 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Robin Thicke seems like he's more of a natural blue-eyed soul singer, JT seems very forced and contrived. It's almost like JT "plays black" but Robin Thicke is only white by technicality of his skin, LOL cause he's all black inside! JT never had that same "spark" that Teena Marie or say Michael McDonald have, and that's a big reason they're appreciated a lot in the black community in general, compared to a JT.

Which is kind of funny,considering Robin's parents were pretty well known celebs back in the 80s and "soulful" is not the first thing that comes to mind when discussing Gloria Loring or Alan Thicke.

Hey Dalsh, yeah good point----he's probably just black from a past life. I really think that explains how some people just have a strong affinity for something that wasn't a direct result from their upbringing...

AlexdeParis said:

armpit said:

...I didn't say he wouldn't get the same treatment. I'm saying he wouldn't have been a big success. Because there were plenty of other guys out at that time who were either : hotter; better singers and dancers; or all three, who would've wiped the floor with him, honestly - no matter how many Max Martin songs he had on his cd.

I basically think that he would've ended up being the equivalent of Jesse McCartney at the absolute most - several rungs below Usher both saleswise and in terms of the public's radar; one or two hit songs, and a few pre-teen girls squealing his name for a year or two, then more or less forgotten.

Clearly your dislike for Justin is clouding your judgment. Think what you want about him, but he's talented and there are plenty of people who would've been paying attention to him as a solo act. Let's be real, N Sync was basically 2 singers and Justin has always been the most popular member. With all that support, his career would've been just fine - certainly not on the level of Jesse McCartney. That's just ridiculous.

And even Jesse's album went platinum! And that was in 2004, way after the big boom and subsequent bust of 1999-2001.

Justin sucks ass, but I used to be a fan, so I'm not so far gone that I can't admit he has talent. I already stated as much a few posts back so I don't know where you're getting that from other than your own head. And again, I already said he would probably have had some minor success - along the lines of, yet again, Jesse McCartney, who probably sold a couple million during his heyday - which, I don't consider to being a 'smash success' or having 'made it'.

'Made it' is the kind of numbers people like Madonna and MJ pulled. And there's no way in hell JT would've pulled that off.

Throw in having to compete against people like Usher or even Enrique Iglesias who had a lot of chicks creaming at that point, and it's a wrap.

armpit said:

Mdizzles said:

i've heard it... and my opinion still stands :shrugs:

...You do know "The Evolution of Robin Thicke" isn't his first disc, right?

And he went by just "Thicke", before the Neptunes got to him.

Just thought I'd fill you in because I suspect that anyone who seriously thinks JT is anywhere near Robin Thicke vocally, doesn't know jackshit about what Robin can REALLY do when he isn't pandering to the masses and half-assing his falsetto.

yes... i'm aware of the album "A Beautiful World".... i agree that the after he got with the neptunes, he wasn't as good. but i still can't say that Robin is all that much better as a vocalist.

[Edited 8/7/11 19:54pm]

dalsh327 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Robin Thicke seems like he's more of a natural blue-eyed soul singer, JT seems very forced and contrived. It's almost like JT "plays black" but Robin Thicke is only white by technicality of his skin, LOL cause he's all black inside! JT never had that same "spark" that Teena Marie or say Michael McDonald have, and that's a big reason they're appreciated a lot in the black community in general, compared to a JT.

Which is kind of funny,considering Robin's parents were pretty well known celebs back in the 80s and "soulful" is not the first thing that comes to mind when discussing Gloria Loring or Alan Thicke.

True, but for whatever reason Robin has soul in spades.

When he isn't trying, that is - like in the most recent years of his career, which make me do the yuck-face.

I miss the music he used to do when he wore his hair like Jesus and pedaled around on bikes and shit. *whimpers* Hell, I'll even take "Brand New Jones" Thicke back.

Boy's got a great ass that I would happily dig into.

Oh, and he can be a smug little cunt at times.

[Edited 8/7/11 20:26pm]

Mdizzles said:

armpit said:

...You do know "The Evolution of Robin Thicke" isn't his first disc, right?

And he went by just "Thicke", before the Neptunes got to him.

Just thought I'd fill you in because I suspect that anyone who seriously thinks JT is anywhere near Robin Thicke vocally, doesn't know jackshit about what Robin can REALLY do when he isn't pandering to the masses and half-assing his falsetto.

yes... i'm aware of the album "A Beautiful World".... i agree that the after he got with the neptunes, he wasn't as good. but i still can't say that Robin is all that much better as a vocalist.

[Edited 8/7/11 19:54pm]

Omfg, you can't be serious.

Are you Justin's publicist or his woman or something? His mom, maybe?

no i'm just saying i don't think Robin isnt that much better a singer if any. they've got two separate approaches but I think the vocal ranges are pretty even. you're making it sound like JT is Trey Songz or something. i dont know why you're getting your panties in a twist because of a different opinion. its not THAT serious.

[Edited 8/7/11 20:03pm]

[Edited 8/7/11 20:08pm]

armpit said:

AlexdeParis said:

Clearly your dislike for Justin is clouding your judgment. Think what you want about him, but he's talented and there are plenty of people who would've been paying attention to him as a solo act. Let's be real, N Sync was basically 2 singers and Justin has always been the most popular member. With all that support, his career would've been just fine - certainly not on the level of Jesse McCartney. That's just ridiculous.

And even Jesse's album went platinum! And that was in 2004, way after the big boom and subsequent bust of 1999-2001.

Justin sucks ass, but I used to be a fan, so I'm not so far gone that I can't admit he has talent. I already stated as much a few posts back so I don't know where you're getting that from other than your own head. And again, I already said he would probably have had some minor success - along the lines of, yet again, Jesse McCartney, who probably sold a couple million during his heyday - which, I don't consider to being a 'smash success' or having 'made it'.

'Made it' is the kind of numbers people like Madonna and MJ pulled. And there's no way in hell JT would've pulled that off.

Throw in having to compete against people like Usher or even Enrique Iglesias who had a lot of chicks creaming at that point, and it's a wrap.

If you're holding him to Madonna and MJ numbers, than he hasn't "made it" with or without N Sync. But neither have Usher or Enrique Iglesias for that matter.

Anyway, you seem to be arguing he wouldn't be where he is now. He never said anything about being a "smash success" or even being just as successful; he said he would've "been heard as a solo artist." Are you disputing that as well?

i mean, the avid defenders here have to just want his nuts right?

his music?

i like one or two tracks. the rest is so blatantly watered down and ripped off MJ and Janet, with some Bobby Brown, Prince, and a little minimalist 90s beats (ie Timbaland) stirred in for measure. No other male white performer has so blatantly ripped off the act of countless African American artists (Al Green and El Debarge also come to mind), and made it so disposable then directly shat on the very Artists from which he stole (namely Janet and Prince, both of which he called out in his 'diss' record with...Nelly Furtado...now that's street cred)

then again, he's hot, and i kind of enjoy his smug c*ntiness in the press...

but come on...for him to say that NSYNC didn't get him where he is today...is like me saying my bong didnt get me to where i am this evening. puhh lease...bitch, you're just lucky and (kind of) cute and (above average) talented and skinny. get over yourself, like asap

badujunkie said:

i mean, the avid defenders here have to just want his nuts right?

I certainly don't want him.

his music?

i like one or two tracks. the rest is so blatantly watered down and ripped off MJ and Janet, with some Bobby Brown, Prince, and a little minimalist 90s beats (ie Timbaland) stirred in for measure. No other male white performer has so blatantly ripped off the act of countless African American artists (Al Green and El Debarge also come to mind), and made it so disposable then directly shat on the very Artists from which he stole (namely Janet and Prince, both of which he called out in his 'diss' record with...Nelly Furtado...now that's street cred)

then again, he's hot, and i kind of enjoy his smug c*ntiness in the press...

but come on...for him to say that NSYNC didn't get him where he is today...is like me saying my bong didnt get me to where i am this evening. puhh lease...bitch, you're just lucky and (kind of) cute and (above average) talented and skinny. get over yourself, like asap

I repeat: he didn't say that. At all.

Mdizzles said:

no i'm just saying i don't think Robin is that much better if any. they've got two separate approaches but I think the vocal ranges are pretty even. you're making it sound like JT is Trey Songz or something. i dont know why you're getting your panties in a twist because of a different opinion. its not THAT serious.

[Edited 8/7/11 20:03pm]

...If you think I'm sitting at the computer mad about this or something, then... . To me it's more amusing than anything. And yeah, compared to Robin, Justin pretty much is Trey Songz.

TonyVanDam said:

Justin Timberlake is full of it for thinking he would have made it without ever becoming a member of *NSYNC.

This is like saying.........

1. Michael Jackson would have made it without The Jackson 5.

2. George Michael would have made it without Wham!.

3. Michael McDonald would have made it without The Doobie Brothers.

4. Stevie Nicks would have made it without Fleetwood Mac.

5. Diana Ross would have made it without The Surpeme.

6. Dr. Dre would have made it without The World Class Wreckin' Crew and/or NWA.

7. Beyonce would have made it without Destiny's Child.

8. Flavor Flav would have made it without Public Enemy.

9. Donny Osmond & Marie Osmond would have made it without The Osmonds.

10. Bobby Brown would have made it without New Edition.

11. Larry Graham would have made it without Sly & The Family Stone.

12. Ricky Martin would have made it without Menudo.

13. Busta Rhyme would have made it without Leaders Of The New School.

14. Q-Tip would have made it without A Tribe Called Quest.

15. Mick Jagger would have made it without The Rolling Stones.

16. Grace Slick would have made it without Jefferson Airplane and/or Jefferson Starship.

17. Eric Clapton would have made it without The Yardbirds and/or Cream.

18. Freddie Mercury would have made it without Queen.

19. Joan Jett & Lita Ford would have made it without The Runaways.

20. Paul McCartney would have made it without The Beatles.

MJ, Dre, and Freddie would have certainly been just as big without their groups. I wonder why you even put MJ on the list considering the long time period between Jackson 5 success and solo success. It was music videos and groundbreaking songs on MJs 2nd solo album that made him big, not Jackson 5.

Dre is known for production, if you make an album as hot as The Chronic (Which was groundbreaking as well) then it will be very succesful group or not.

AlexdeParis said:

armpit said:

Justin sucks ass, but I used to be a fan, so I'm not so far gone that I can't admit he has talent. I already stated as much a few posts back so I don't know where you're getting that from other than your own head. And again, I already said he would probably have had some minor success - along the lines of, yet again, Jesse McCartney, who probably sold a couple million during his heyday - which, I don't consider to being a 'smash success' or having 'made it'.

'Made it' is the kind of numbers people like Madonna and MJ pulled. And there's no way in hell JT would've pulled that off.

Throw in having to compete against people like Usher or even Enrique Iglesias who had a lot of chicks creaming at that point, and it's a wrap.

If you're holding him to Madonna and MJ numbers, than he hasn't "made it" with or without N Sync. But neither have Usher or Enrique Iglesias for that matter.

Anyway, you seem to be arguing he wouldn't be where he is now. He never said anything about being a "smash success" or even being just as successful; he said he would've "been heard as a solo artist." Are you disputing that as well?

You are riding Justin's jock wayyyy too hard.

True, he's not pulling those kinds of numbers, but hell - if he came out solo back then, he wouldn't even be pulling Usher or Enrique numbers either. It was them and how they worked collectively as a group that made N'Sync what it was, despite whatever asskissers around him right now might be telling him.

And are you really engaging me in some goofy semantics tapdance over the words that came out of this kid's mouth? I already went into this, go back and read a few posts, this time without reading what you want to see and what's actually there.

I stand by what I said no matter how much you might dislike it because I don't worship at the feet of your god Justin. If you don't like it, go cry over your JT posters, cuz I don't care.

Justin has always been the white Usher...... he would have made it. Sorta like the male Shitney Spears but with 10x the vocals and actually good music.

[Edited 8/7/11 20:21pm]

armpit said:

Mdizzles said:

no i'm just saying i don't think Robin is that much better if any. they've got two separate approaches but I think the vocal ranges are pretty even. you're making it sound like JT is Trey Songz or something. i dont know why you're getting your panties in a twist because of a different opinion. its not THAT serious.

[Edited 8/7/11 20:03pm]

...If you think I'm sitting at the computer mad about this or something, then... . To me it's more amusing than anything. And yeah, compared to Robin, Justin pretty much is Trey Songz.

a. thats giving Trey Songz way too much credit. b. no.

what makes you think Robin wouldnt have approached "Rock Your Body" the same way? it was written by Pharrell after all... lol

When you can't think of anything nice to say, just keep shut and move the fuck on.

Nothing to see here folks.

And comparing Robin to Justin, really?

REALLY?

armpit said:

AlexdeParis said:

If you're holding him to Madonna and MJ numbers, than he hasn't "made it" with or without N Sync. But neither have Usher or Enrique Iglesias for that matter.

Anyway, you seem to be arguing he wouldn't be where he is now. He never said anything about being a "smash success" or even being just as successful; he said he would've "been heard as a solo artist." Are you disputing that as well?

You are riding Justin's jock wayyyy too hard.

True, he's not pulling those kinds of numbers, but hell - if he came out solo back then, he wouldn't even be pulling Usher or Enrique numbers either. It was them and how they worked collectively as a group that made N'Sync what it was, despite whatever asskissers around him right now might be telling him.

And are you really engaging me in some goofy semantics tapdance over the words that came out of this kid's mouth? I already went into this, go back and read a few posts, this time without reading what you want to see and what's actually there.

I stand by what I said no matter how much you might dislike it because I don't worship at the feet of your god Justin. If you don't like it, go cry over your JT posters, cuz I don't care.

Get back to me when you can discuss like a grown up.

PlayboyOriginal said:

Justin has always been the white Usher...... he would have made it. Sorta like the male Shitney Spears but with 10x the vocals and actually good music.

[Edited 8/7/11 20:30pm]

Mdizzles said:

armpit said:

...If you think I'm sitting at the computer mad about this or something, then... . To me it's more amusing than anything. And yeah, compared to Robin, Justin pretty much is Trey Songz.

a. thats giving Trey Songz way too much credit. b. no.

what makes you think Robin wouldnt have approached "Rock Your Body" the same way? it was written by Pharrell after all... lol

True, but it's a great concise way to explain just how many lightyears ahead Robin is, vocally. Comparing them really does do an incredible disservice to Thicke.

And...I posted those links as demonstations of vocal ability, which is what this discussion is actually about; not who wrote what. The fact that I even have to explain this to you is kinda . Even if Robin sang it in the same style, he still would've done a way better job of it because he has more innate vocal ability, a wider range and a stronger, more agile voice.

*looks at you like you have two heads*

AlexdeParis said:

armpit said:

You are riding Justin's jock wayyyy too hard.

True, he's not pulling those kinds of numbers, but hell - if he came out solo back then, he wouldn't even be pulling Usher or Enrique numbers either. It was them and how they worked collectively as a group that made N'Sync what it was, despite whatever asskissers around him right now might be telling him.

And are you really engaging me in some goofy semantics tapdance over the words that came out of this kid's mouth? I already went into this, go back and read a few posts, this time without reading what you want to see and what's actually there.

I stand by what I said no matter how much you might dislike it because I don't worship at the feet of your god Justin. If you don't like it, go cry over your JT posters, cuz I don't care.

Get back to me when you can discuss like a grown up.

[very poor taste post snipped - June7]

On top of everything else, it seems like TimberFAKE like half-ass whispers or sing-talks through songs, or is it just me?

SeventeenDayze said:

On top of everything else, it seems like TimberFAKE like half-ass whispers or sing-talks through songs, or is it just me?

Honestly? He kinda has to do that stuff, because his voice is so thin.

You know who else can sing him under the table? Adam Levine.

armpit said:

Mdizzles said:

a. thats giving Trey Songz way too much credit. b. no.

what makes you think Robin wouldnt have approached "Rock Your Body" the same way? it was written by Pharrell after all... lol

True, but it's a great concise way to explain just how many lightyears ahead Robin is, vocally. Comparing them really does do an incredible disservice to Thicke.

And...I posted those links as demonstations of vocal ability, which is what this discussion is actually about; not who wrote what. The fact that I even have to explain this to you is kinda . Even if Robin sang it in the same style, he still would've done a way better job of it because he has more innate vocal ability, a wider range and a stronger, more agile voice.

*looks at you like you have two heads*

eh... idk about a better job... look at that neptune track Robin had himself with..."Love You Girl" nothing great there either. sometimes singers are the victims of the writers. but as you said that's not so much the point. i'll agree that Robin has a more soulful tone... but the rest i still feel is a little subjective. but fuck it...agree to disagree... this is going nowhere.

Never doubt anyone who is in league with the House of the Mouse.

I'd rank all 3 white boys as so:

1. Robin Thicke - great falsetto but actually has a real voice that can be used

2. Justin Timberlake - nice falsetto and and average voice but he uses it efficiently

3. Adam Levine - all he has is that falsetto, the weakest of the bunch but I love him just the same

PlayboyOriginal said:

I'd rank all 3 white boys as so:

1. Robin Thicke - great falsetto but actually has a real voice that can be used

2. Justin Timberlake - nice falsetto and and average voice but he uses it efficiently

3. Adam Levine - all he has is that falsetto, the weakest of the bunch but I love him just the same

I agree. Robin is BY FAR the best singer out of these three, but I disagree about Justin's falsetto. I'm a fan of his ever since '98, but Justin's falsetto is AWFUL to me and it's only gotten worse over time. It's so forced and whiney. "My Love" is a good example of this. His falsetto is just painful for me to listen to in that song. JC was always the best singer in the group anyway.

Adam Levine, I like his music, but I'm not at all impressed with him as a vocalist.

Case in point...

This is a nice, effortless falsetto

This is a horrible, forced falsetto that's anything but natural lol

I just don't get it when people say Justin has a good falsetto. I don't hear it at all.

I never liked his falsetto. He sounds way better on tenor. He shouldn't even ATTEMPT to do falsetto again for the rest of his natural life.