Pressure said:

Tranet is nobody;s legend. Stiff dance moves, whispery paper thin voice, nose and boob job, several flop albums, only famous because the REAL talented Jackson (MJ the KING) put her on the map and she performs in high school gymnasiums now.

Madonna won the battle

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#TEAMFAIL

Jam & Lewis had hits – big ones – working with artists other than Janet. Janet has had virtually none outside of them. As soon as that team was disturbed, things started going south for her. So, yes, I think a combination of the last name 'Jackson' (Michael) and having those two miracle producers (as well as Rene – who I think was silent "creative" side) in her pocket is what got her over. Before that team was in place, she flopped with her first couple of albums. After that team was disturbed, she flopped again.

Every one of her contemporaries: Mariah, Madonna, even Celine and Whitney were able to deviate from their original hit making machines and continue having big commercial hits and success. Janet hasn't. And because she hasn't, I think that says something about HER. She's not resilient on her own. Her house of cards fell very easily.

Pressure said:

Tranet is nobody;s legend. Stiff dance moves, whispery paper thin voice, nose and boob job, several flop albums, only famous because the REAL talented Jackson (MJ the KING) put her on the map and she performs in high school gymnasiums now.

Madonna won the battle

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He influenced her and her work ethic. He didn't put her on the map, he introduced her on a variety show joseph jackson got her on. I'm a huge fan of both, but let's be honest here, both have influenced each other in their work, and I'm sorry to say that a lot of mj fans I have encountered have no idea what janet has done and she doesn't get her props. And watch what you say about surgery and soft voices if you're an mj fan criticizing someone,not saying be a jj fan, just saying know your facts and don`t talk like a child if you want to be taken seriously.

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Haha, no. I do not believe Janet Jackson is a legend. She is the sister of a legend, but she is not legendary.

NaQu said:

alphastreet said:

I don`t put myself in a category when it comes to being a fan anymore. MJ influenced practically everyone and though I went through a brief time of playing janet more and still love her and play her often and go to her tours, he`s the king. But even he was influenced by others and gives Janet credit. Janet would say publicly she was a Prince fan and not say mj though it`s all over her too. I already know mj and madonna are bigger names too, not trying to say she is more popular than she is, I find her underrated in a lot of ways, that`s all. I knew the first two since the 80`s, didn`t know of janet till the 90`s, so I know what people mean, but she`s awesome

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Does anyone think that Janet can have a comeback? Her last 3 cds pretty much bombed. She is talking about working on a cd, what are the chances of that selling and radio playing her. Can she afford a 4th flop in music or should she stick to movies/

Entertainer said:

Does anyone think that Janet can have a comeback? Her last 3 cds pretty much bombed. She is talking about working on a cd, what are the chances of that selling and radio playing her. Can she afford a 4th flop in music or should she stick to movies/

Tough to say. Is she going to have massive albums like Rhythm Nation and janet again? Almost certainly not, but no one else is either. Can she have hit singles again? Sure, it's possible but I would rather hear her try something else. She already went as far as she can as a pop star, why not try something a bit more artistic and forget about sales?

I hope Janet adds some Brazilian jazz sounds on her next album, more guitar driven tracks, no more contemporary r and b , and I also hope for a Jam/Terry reunion .

jbrown83 said:

I hope Janet adds some Brazilian jazz sounds on her next album, more guitar driven tracks, no more contemporary r and b , and I also hope for a Jam/Terry reunion .

She's always spoken about being a fan of Brazillian jazz artists Gilberto Gil and Cesaria Evora, and that she'd like to put that style of music in her own music, so that could be an avenue she'll go in. In a recent question/answer session with some fans, she said that she will definately be going back into the studio when the tour is done, so we will see.

People who think Janet is where she is because of Michael (i.e. the trolls) are too stupid to realize otherwise, and telling them that she is there because of her own talents is akin to saying it to a brick wall, but the proof is in the proverbial pudding. Without Janet, there would be no Rihanna, no Britney, no Ciara, no Mya, no Cassie, etc etc etc. That "she's only famous because of JJ/TL and MJ" is utter shit. The end.

Well said.

SEANMAN said:

jbrown83 said:

I hope Janet adds some Brazilian jazz sounds on her next album, more guitar driven tracks, no more contemporary r and b , and I also hope for a Jam/Terry reunion .

She's always spoken about being a fan of Brazillian jazz artists Gilberto Gil and Cesaria Evora, and that she'd like to put that style of music in her own music, so that could be an avenue she'll go in. In a recent question/answer session with some fans, she said that she will definately be going back into the studio when the tour is done, so we will see.

People who think Janet is where she is because of Michael (i.e. the trolls) are too stupid to realize otherwise, and telling them that she is there because of her own talents is akin to saying it to a brick wall, but the proof is in the proverbial pudding. Without Janet, there would be no Rihanna, no Britney, no Ciara, no Mya, no Cassie, etc etc etc. That "she's only famous because of JJ/TL and MJ" is utter shit. The end.

It's true, though, that a major reason that she became famous is because her last name is Jackson.

Speaking of legends, didn't Prince call Michael a genius in one interview and call Janet the genius' sister?

^^^ Yes he did

smoothcriminal12 said:

SEANMAN said:

She's always spoken about being a fan of Brazillian jazz artists Gilberto Gil and Cesaria Evora, and that she'd like to put that style of music in her own music, so that could be an avenue she'll go in. In a recent question/answer session with some fans, she said that she will definately be going back into the studio when the tour is done, so we will see.

People who think Janet is where she is because of Michael (i.e. the trolls) are too stupid to realize otherwise, and telling them that she is there because of her own talents is akin to saying it to a brick wall, but the proof is in the proverbial pudding. Without Janet, there would be no Rihanna, no Britney, no Ciara, no Mya, no Cassie, etc etc etc. That "she's only famous because of JJ/TL and MJ" is utter shit. The end.

It's true, though, that a major reason that she became famous is because her last name is Jackson.

I disagree with it being a MAJOR reason but it definitly helped her get in the limelight that probably would have been MUCH harder for another up and coming star to do with her level of talent.

I do think Janet deserves more praise when it comes down to the influence of todays entertainers. than what some give her but then when I look back at all her accomplishments such as awards, chart hits, etc... she is pretty well received so I am not quite sure why some of the janet fans may feel she doesnt get what she deserves when she has gotten ALOT of accolades commercially and in my personal opinion to a degree more than what she really deserves.

Her BEST accomplishments was Rhythm Nation and that seems to be the MOST influential of anything she has done.

When I think of LEGENDS... I think of people who were culturally impactful in their music and were innovative... didnt follow trends. While Janet was a VERY VERY talented dancer...the whole flashy video and intricate choregraphy was already implemented in the pop world by... HER BROTHER back in 83 with Beat It, Billie Jean, Thriller and even Madonna etc WAY before Control came out in 86 which was really her break through album commercially. Her videos STILL manage to be creative and influential. She also continued to be creative with her next 3 albums RN, Janet and VR. While those albums are very creative and classics... NONE of them were "innovative" or trendsended anything artisically or musically. She covered themes on RN and VR that had already been covered before. With her next 4 albums to follow lastly she tarnish her legacy with garbage that didnt help her at all .. not sure if that ALL was because of the absence of Jimmy and Terry but those last 4 albums sucked. They were no better than the crap that is out now

I think if she had continued down the positive path with RN she might of maybe had a chance of having that legendary status... but she didnt. EVERY artist in the world is not a legend. There are alot of great artists that I love but I wouldnt necessarily call them a legend. I love Janet.. I mostly love her OLDER material though and she is no doubt an ICON but a legend..... I dont think so.. It means alot more to being a legend than what people think. Their are people who have been in the industry for over 50 years but will never be legends..

Stevie Wonder, Prince, James Brown, Aretha Franklin, The Supremes are legends and the LAST big commercial pop star who was a legend was Michael Jackson.

Quality OVER Quantity.

I'm kinda going off topic here but I think people truly don't understand what the true meaning of legend mean, a popular blog site just ask If Beyonce is on her way to be a legend and here's are the responses

Beyonce has achieved incredible success as both a solo artist and a member of Destiny's Child. However, despite her many accomplishments, many people still don't regard her as an icon on the level of Whitney Houston, Madonna or Mariah Carey. Do you consider Beyonce to be a legend already or does she still have more to prove?

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Maybe for her dancing, some say better than her brother MJ.

HAPPYPERSON said:

I'm kinda going off topic here but I think people truly don't understand what the true meaning of legend mean, a popular blog site just ask If Beyonce is on her way to be a legend and here's are the responses

The Lava Lizard

Beyonce has achieved incredible success as both a solo artist and a member of Destiny's Child. However, despite her many accomplishments, many people still don't regard her as an icon on the level of Whitney Houston, Madonna or Mariah Carey. Do you consider Beyonce to be a legend already or does she still have more to prove?

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Niang Carter II Your article have no sense ! You still asking if Beyonce is a icon really really ?? Actually she is on her way to be a legend 23 minutes ago · LikeUnlike

Ja'Mon Kimbrough Give her about 10 more years and she'll get there. Is she an Icon to a generation? Yes. Is she legendary? Not quite... 21 minutes ago · LikeUnlike · 2 peopleKris Myers and Steven Mcwillis like this.

Cameron Alexander I feel in orde 20 minutes ago · LikeUnlike

Michael Falligan Jr. Icon YES! she is well on the way to be BIGGER than those artists named. 20 minutes ago · LikeUnlike

Niang Carter II What do you call legendary ?? 20 minutes ago · LikeUnlike · 1 personLoading...

Cameron Alexander I feel you have to be in the game for at least 20 years to be considered a legend. Although Beyoncé has done a lot in her time, I feel she still has a way to go. 19 minutes ago · LikeUnlike · 1 personLoading...

Rohan Jadhav She is a legend in the making - she will be a fully fledged legend in approx 10yrs as Ja'Mon above said. 19 minutes ago · LikeUnlike · 1 personJa'Mon Kimbrough likes this.

Kelvin Joan Clayton i think alot of ppl confuse legend with age. ppl consider tina marie and bob marley and marvin gaye and artist who were great in their time that have passed as legends but theres nothing they havent done that beyonce hasnt. if anything shes accomplished MORE. i think bey is a LIVING LEGEND. shes broken records, made history and has been on top for over a decade. what more does this woman have to prove to get her props? 18 minutes ago ·

Heir Beckham Chadwick When its all said n done, she WILL b bigger than those artists named.Shes far more versatile than them all..... 18 minutes ago · LikeUnlike

Niang Carter II Finally some1 who understand @Kelvin Joan Clayton 16 minutes ago · LikeUnlike

Héctor Manuel Miranda Beyonce is an excellent performer and vocalist; very consistent and stable as an artist. However, in my opinion, she has yet to propel herself into an iconic status. She still has a lot to prove, at least in my eyes. I haven't heard/seen anything by Beyonce that has solidified her place among the people who influenced her. I'm sure she'll get there, but as of yet, she's not on that level. 13 minutes ago · LikeUnlike

Kelvin Joan Clayton RIGHT! @ niang carter if age was a factor in being a legend then EVERYONE would be a legend. 12 minutes ago · LikeUnlike

Steven Mcwillis I Don't Why People Are Getting So Upset She Not a Legend She a Icon That It No Big Thing She Has Time To Be a Legend She Needs Not To Take No More Breaks Tho Lol 11 minutes ago ·

Niang Carter II ‎@Kelvin totally agree with you and Beyonce has bigger career than Whitney , Tina and she is the most powerful on her generation the age have nothing to do with that it's all about talent 9 minutes ago ·

Steven Mcwillis ‎@Niang No Offense You're Bugging With That Last Statment

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Why did you post this in THIS thread? Why not make a seperate thread with this? This has NOTHING to do with Janet.

I am so sick of overrated Beyonce ughhh... people think winning a bunch of awards makes you a legend when that is not what makes you a legend. She isnt orginal not has she implemented ANYTHING into pop music that has not already been done. She does not take risks.. only follow trends and does what is safe... are people seriously calling her an icon and legend? like What the Fuck? and insisting she is better than Bob Marly and Tina TUrner???? are people smoking crack or really just that dumb

Totally agree 100 percent! For all that Janet has done it's sad that people think Beyonce is a legend and Janet isn't. That is just plain insulting to Janet .

smoothcriminal12 said:

SEANMAN said:

She's always spoken about being a fan of Brazillian jazz artists Gilberto Gil and Cesaria Evora, and that she'd like to put that style of music in her own music, so that could be an avenue she'll go in. In a recent question/answer session with some fans, she said that she will definately be going back into the studio when the tour is done, so we will see.

People who think Janet is where she is because of Michael (i.e. the trolls) are too stupid to realize otherwise, and telling them that she is there because of her own talents is akin to saying it to a brick wall, but the proof is in the proverbial pudding. Without Janet, there would be no Rihanna, no Britney, no Ciara, no Mya, no Cassie, etc etc etc. That "she's only famous because of JJ/TL and MJ" is utter shit. The end.

It's true, though, that a major reason that she became famous is because her last name is Jackson.

Being a Jackson got her in the door easily. Once she was through the door and in the room, she had to prove that she could stay there. She proved it. The fame came with her groundbreaking albums and videos. The fame came with her elaborate tours and hit singles. They (from Control on) were made without the aid of her family.

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SEANMAN said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

It's true, though, that a major reason that she became famous is because her last name is Jackson.

Being a Jackson got her in the door easily. Once she was through the door and in the room, she had to prove that she could stay there. She proved it. The fame came with her groundbreaking albums and videos. The fame came with her elaborate tours and hit singles. They (from Control on) were made without the aid of her family.

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I hate how people make it seem like that is the ONLY reason why she is famous as if she has no talent at all and the ONLY reason is because she is a Jackson.

jbrown83 said:

Totally agree 100 percent! For all that Janet has done it's sad that people think Beyonce is a legend and Janet isn't. That is just plain insulting to Janet .

You dont know how much THIS PISTS me off and not to long ago a dumbass had the nerve to say Beyawnce was a better entertainer than JANET!!! I almost lost my mind and went in all the way.... these people crazy as mofo's

SEANMAN said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

It's true, though, that a major reason that she became famous is because her last name is Jackson.

Being a Jackson got her in the door easily. Once she was through the door and in the room, she had to prove that she could stay there. She proved it. The fame came with her groundbreaking albums and videos. The fame came with her elaborate tours and hit singles. They (from Control on) were made without the aid of her family.

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100% agree.

Pressure said:

Tranet is nobody;s legend. Stiff dance moves, whispery paper thin voice, nose and boob job, several flop albums, only famous because the REAL talented Jackson (MJ the KING) put her on the map and she performs in high school gymnasiums now.

Madonna won the battle

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1) I think you're letting jealousy cloud your vision, because Janet looks nothing like a tranny.

2) A career's-worth of elaborate choreography does not equate stiff. Perhaps you should look at the other pop diva you speak of, because that woman dances like a truck.

3) With her nose job and anything else, she's still more beautiful than you, your mother, your sister, aunt and anybody else that could pop into that puny little brain of yours.

4) Michael Jackson is responsible for only one person's success in that family...his own. He's got 8 other brothers and sisters. All with the exception of one has taken on the task of trying to establish a solo career. Only one has achieved pop superstar status. If being MJ's sibling equates being a famous, successful singer, then what happened to the other 7? I can see math probably isn't your strong suit, but try and understand.

5) The tour you speak of has already made millions, and is in demand WORLDwide. Get your facts straight before you come off like a blithering idiot. OOPS!! Too late!

6) Who the FUCK said anything about Madonna, anyway? She and Janet are in my top three favorite female performers of all time, but really. Your insecurities are getting the best of you. Beside, the two women have long since put aside any differences they may have had, so why you some of you queens keep insisting on pitting them against one another is futile, stupid, and childish. They are sipping champagne in their luxury condos while you all still pluck away at 9 to 5s. Oh, and by the way, Janet will whip not only Madonna, but any bitches ass who tries to step to her in the dancing dept. Feast on that one.

hmmmmph. Okay? Sorry I wasnt specific enough. Maybe I should've said MUSIC Legend instead of just Legend

I thought a Music legend was someone who was very famous and Lots of other music artist use you as a blueprint, in janet's case, ciara, britney spears, aaliyah, beyonce, rihanna, and so on.

I thought an Icon was just someone who was Known widely around the world, like hitler or something

Yep.

trueiopian said:

DEAD @ Janet being where she is because of her own "talents". I hope you know you shaded Janet because her name has reduced to performing in High School gyms and starring in Tyler Perry movies. FYI, she earned her first record deal AND acting gig based on her last name. LMFAO @ a Janet fan making fun of Madonna's looks (can't kii @ her success) when Janet is the one that looks like a burn victim.

I said that her name got her into doors but she had to prove that she belonged in the room when she got through the door. Reading. Is. Fundamental.

DEAD @ you commenting on what the fuck it is that I'm saying with OTHER folks. Who are you and why are you annoying me?

DEAD @ you once being a Janet fan but now taking pot-shots at her at any chance you can get. Did she stiff you for an autograph once? Poor thing.

oh shitt.

DEAD @ The Janet hate.

DEAD @ At the debates in this thread.