Janet Jackson is LEGEND!

TotalAlisa said:

trueiopian said:

Janet was legendary from Control to The Velvet Rope. After that - she's a has-been.

That comment is not well thought out. Janet has had more recent hits than Prince, Bob Dylan and Michael Jackson (at the time of his death) - yet you would no way label them as has beens.

I would say from control - to TVR - janet was a star - people didn't think about the impact of those albums to label her a legend.

I think to certain people she is without a doubt a legend - especially wih Americans. With Russians - I don't think they would class her as one.

ThePopLover2 said:

whitechocolatebrotha said:

I WOULD where she presented during a time when "Troop Dancing" was new to music vids, and via Paula Adbul's coaching, it was brought to the forefront of music at a time when that didn't really previously exist. She's also legendary where she amassed millions of dollars in record sales from her 3rd album ("Control") in 1986 consistently through to 2001's "All For You." That's almost 20 years of HUGE albums. It wasn't until 2004's "Damita Jo" that things began to slip. Under Flyte Tyme, though, she had her BIGGEST successes. Unlike Madonna, she really didn't pioneer any major fashion trends, but was "legendary" as far as the impact her music had worldwide and as far as being the MOST SUCCESSFUL/talented female sibling of the entire Jackson clan.

I'm not even going to lie Madonna could dress her ass off back then, that's probably the main reason why I like her , . But anywho I think Damita Jo would've been a flop anyways, I dont have any favorites from that album and it got bad reviews. But everything from control-all for you was the shit! lol

during the early 90s janet's tours were out selling madonnas.

but yes i consider her a legend. Just from her videos, iconic choreography, her music. she has touched almost all genres in her music. I love that about janet. I consider her a style icon, the key in the earring, her abs, janet's hairstyles. She made a huge impact on pop music and several pop artists are influenced by her. Because of that i say you have to be legendary for so many people to be influenced by you.

janet may not be as popular as madonna, but she didn't use gimmicks her whole career. She spent the first half covered up. Janet can actually dance, entertain. Contrary to what people think about her voice being "weak" she has a beautiful soft tone and can sing in key. Its very pleasant when she is actually singing and not whispering.

Unlike Janet many of these artists make disposable pop music (janet has been guilty of this in her recent albums)BUT looking at her whole cataloge she is not just some kind of disposable pop act. I have to say that many of the younger women she influenced have not created such meaningful albums such as RN or TVR. Nor do they have as many classics in their catalog such as janet's. Its about the music and janet's whole video and music catalog trumps over several of these artist she influenced. Even if she is considered a "has been", they never will be on her level. they might be popular now, but they will not even be considered a "has been" because they never were.

ThePopLover2 said:

Yeah But I wouldnt say she over-did it like Madge did. Are you referring to the SB by they way?

madonna did a sex book, and had slept with so many high profile celebs and non celebs. If this was janet, her career would have been over during the early 90s.

Madonna used so much publicity and gimmicks to stay relevant. No one can beat her out. she damn near did soft porn.

Out of janet's whole entire career her own scandal was the superbowl, and that was 20 years into it. I think janet has done a great job.

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mancabdriver said:

trueiopian said:

DEAD at the upset deluded stans. Poor them.

ThePopLover2 said:

Madonna? even though she did use publicty to stay Relevant.

Yeah But I wouldnt say she over-did it like Madge did. Are you referring to the SB by they way?

She did over do it, lol. Way more than Madge. [Edited 8/7/11 17:02pm]

When?? I have have to hear this

ThePopLover2 said:

thatgrapejuice posted this today, crazy this has over 100 comments, when the do a good post on Janet they's like 13 comments smh

Video: Janet Jackson Has Vocal Malfunction

As much as we us some Janet Jackson, there’s no denying her love for backing tracks. ‘Allowed’ by most because of her high-octane routines, the youngest of the Jackson clan was left red faced recently after her career long practice came back to bite her in her derriere.

For when performing ‘That’s The Way Love Goes’ on the New Jersey stop of her ‘Number Ones: Up, Close, & Personal Tour’, the whole shabang was thrown off when the 45 year old’s pre-recorded vocal failed to kick in on cue. The result? See for yourself after the jump…

Great to see Ms. Jackson handle the situation like the seasoned pro she is. That said, someone’s clearly getting fired!

For real, though, lipping slower numbers too? Not the business. Janet can actually hold her own vocally (she’s no powerhouse, but her control is solid). It’s high time she let the masses (and herself) know it. For, if a chart comeback is on the agenda, today’s audience aren’t here for wholly lip-synced performances (unless, of course, you’re Britney Spears).

trueiopian said:

ThePopLover2 said:

She did over do it, lol. Way more than Madge. [Edited 8/7/11 17:02pm]

When?? I have have to hear this

Superbowl 2004 and grinding on guys on stage at her shows.

MJ did it too though! I'm not even going to count how many time he made out with girls on his tours. I never really thought of it as publicity though, It just entertainment.

as far as the Superbowl she didnt mean for her boob to pop out, it wasnt like she was trying to use that situation to her advantage. She knew that wasnt cool.

But madge pretending to masterbate on stage, kissinng britney ( that was Madge's idea), adopting babies from other countries, and so on kept Madonna relevant.

"You better save some of them kids for Madonna she needs all the publicity she can get,
You wanted shady well you got it man I ain't apologizing for sh*t." -eminem

ThePopLover2 said:

trueiopian said:

Janet was legendary from Control to The Velvet Rope. After that - she's a has-been.

Well damn Tru!

what changed your opinion?

trueiopian said:

ThePopLover2 said:

MJ did it too though! I'm not even going to count how many time he made out with girls on his tours. I never really thought of it as publicity though, It just entertainment.

as far as the Superbowl she didnt mean for her boob to pop out, it wasnt like she was trying to use that situation to her advantage. She knew that wasnt cool.

But madge pretending to masterbate on stage, kissinng britney ( that was Madge's idea), adopting babies from other countries, and so on kept Madonna relevant.

"You better save some of them kids for Madonna she needs all the publicity she can get,
You wanted shady well you got it man I ain't apologizing for sh*t." -eminem

MJ never strapped women down to a chair and dry humped them. Janet did mean to show her boob. The outfit she wore was created to where the boob part would tear off easily. Use Google images. Madonna kissed Britney on Cable TV and MTV was aware of it before hand. LOL @ you thinking Madonna adopted for attention. What is she going to do once they grow up? Throw them out? Stop. LMAO @ quoting a guy who takes jabs at celebrities for attention. [Edited 8/7/11 17:53pm]

1. I know MJ didnt strap didnt strap women onto chairs and yada yada, but he still showed sexuality to his fans. period, women always have to be more or extra provocative than men.

and that's what men wanted to see.

2. Aint no way in the world Janet actually meant to show her boob, as in tit, as in nipple.

he was suppose to ripp off the black part, I can see it buttoned up and everything, and it was suppose to show the red bustier. you can tell by her reaction that she didnt mean to do it, her and justin's.

3.I dont think she adopted the kids for attention but it still caused publicty. kinda like I dont think Janet showed her nipple for attention but still caused attention in janet's case bad attention.

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trueiopian said:

1. Why did you bring up MJ then. Mj hugging a girl and fake crying infront of her is nothing compared to Janet strapping down a guy and dry humping him 2. Look at the part of the outfit that Justin is holding and eat your words : http://www1.pictures.gi.z...STGwDl.jpg 3. Of course it got publicity, she's Madonna. BTW, Janet showed her tit for attention.

She Lied to me??? LMAO

I need a moment.....Why?.... Why would she do that? I'm starting wonder about her now.

ummm,, alright. So lets just forget about long lasting careers for a minute.

Do you think Madonna is better than Janet? Like do you think she really worked hard to get to where she is?

*I'm still pissed off right now, Talking about some "He was suppose to ripp off the leather", so she was trying to pin it all on justin?

Ofcourse she is an icon and legend because of all her hits and five consecutively hugely successful albums back to back. I will not however, consider her more legendary than Prince or MJ or Stevie. When I went the the #1s tour couple of months ago I had a great time but the lip synching did bother me and I found myself bored because I felt I paid money to listen to a cd playing. Prince basically spoiled me when it comes to stuff like that, and the lack of "live" and her weak singing voice always tripped me up. I also think Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis had more to do with her success with the creation of the songs. I'm not saying Janet had no input but I believe the balance was tipped more towards them in the the incredible musicianship that made a songs a huge success. That's just my opinion.

I went to see Janet Jackson's Number Ones tour at Radio City, as a Janet fan, even I forgot how many hits she has had in her career. Every artist has their peak, Prince with Purple Rain, Michael Jackson with Thriller, Madonna during her Blonde Ambition phase etc. The fact that she was able to escape her brothers shadow to become a superstar in her own right says it all. Janet Jackson is a legend in her own right. The Madonna vs Janet debate is tired. They are both icons. period.

Of course she's legendary. Everyone from Chris Brown and Ciara to Kelly Rowland and Britney Spears STILL emulate her. She doesn't get nearly enough credit, but she was absolutely instrumental in helping to cultivate and define what it means to be a dance diva, a music video-age pop star, and a touring force to be reckoned with. She still has industry records that have never been broken (it took until earlier this year for her decade-long "All For You" most-spins record to be broken--by Lady Gaga). Not to mention the myriad of other records she's accomplished that still stand. Her music is still remade and sampled. Up-and-coming females in the music business still cite her as being an influence in their careers.

Industry knocks and bumps in the road aside, her legacy is apparent in pop stars of yesterday and today.

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Amber from "Glee" says she'd like to do a Janet track on the show

Gaga talks on her admiration for Janet

Jennifer Lopez says "Pleasure Principle" inspired her to get into the business

Kelly Rowland gives Janet props beginning @ 5:07

@ 1:35, Pebbles says that if it wasn't for Janet, she wouldn't be where she was

[Edited 8/7/11 19:25pm]

SEANMAN said:

Of course she's legendary. Everyone from Chris Brown and Ciara to Kelly Rowland and Britney Spears STILL emulate her. She doesn't get nearly enough credit, but she was absolutely instrumental in helping to cultivate and define what it means to be a dance diva, a music video-age pop star, and a touring force to be reckoned with. She still has industry records that have never been broken (it took until earlier this year for her decade-long "All For You" most-spins record to be broken--by Lady Gaga). Not to mention the myriad of other records she's accomplished that still stand. Her music is still remade and sampled. Up-and-coming females in the music business still cite her as being an influence in their careers.

Industry knocks and bumps in the road aside, her legacy is apparent in pop stars of yesterday and today.

**

Amber from "Glee" says she'd like to do a Janet track on the show

Gaga talks on her admiration for Janet

Jennifer Lopez says "Pleasure Principle" inspired her to get into the business

Kelly Rowland gives Janet props beginning @ 5:07

@ 1:35, Pebbles says that if it wasn't for Janet, she wouldn't be where she was

[Edited 8/7/11 19:25pm]

Hot damn seanman, LMAO!! before I even looked at your post I saw the scroll bar and said "Yup, that's seanman"!!!

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ThePopLover2 said:

Hot damn seaman, LMAO!! before I even looked at your post I saw the scroll bar and said "Yup, that's seaman"!!!

Darn skippy!!!

Janet is an icon but she kinda shot herself in the foot with the scandals and not crossing over into legendary. She's like a Donna Summers.

TotalAlisa said:

ThePopLover2 said:

Yeah But I wouldnt say she over-did it like Madge did. Are you referring to the SB by they way?

madonna did a sex book, and had slept with so many high profile celebs and non celebs. If this was janet, her career would have been over during the early 90s.

Madonna used so much publicity and gimmicks to stay relevant. No one can beat her out. she damn near did soft porn.

Out of janet's whole entire career her own scandal was the superbowl, and that was 20 years into it. I think janet has done a great job.

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I'm not sure about that. But I agree that if she did try that stuff her career would've been over for slandering the Jackson name .

I'm already going to go ahead and call Janet a legend, as Seanman pointed out WAY too many people have copied Janet, I could post some more videos but You already get the point. Her not being on silly music lists shouldnt justify if she a legend or not, especially if Beyonce can make a music list and Janet cant.

ThePopLover2 said:

TotalAlisa said:

madonna did a sex book, and had slept with so many high profile celebs and non celebs. If this was janet, her career would have been over during the early 90s.

Madonna used so much publicity and gimmicks to stay relevant. No one can beat her out. she damn near did soft porn.

Out of janet's whole entire career her own scandal was the superbowl, and that was 20 years into it. I think janet has done a great job.

[Edited 8/7/11 17:30pm]

I'm not sure about that. But I agree that if she did try that stuff her career would've been over for slandering the Jackson name .

I'm already going to go ahead and call Janet a legend, as Seanman pointed out WAY too many people have copied Janet, I could post some more videos but You already get the point. Her not being on silly music lists shouldnt justify if she a legend or not, especially if Beyonce can make a music list and Janet cant.

THIS! Those ridiculous music lists are the bunk.

Janet is legend.

SEANMAN said:

ThePopLover2 said:

I'm not sure about that. But I agree that if she did try that stuff her career would've been over for slandering the Jackson name .

I'm already going to go ahead and call Janet a legend, as Seanman pointed out WAY too many people have copied Janet, I could post some more videos but You already get the point. Her not being on silly music lists shouldnt justify if she a legend or not, especially if Beyonce can make a music list and Janet cant.

THIS! Those ridiculous music lists are the bunk.

Janet is legend.

Anyone who take Rolling Stone, MOJO, Q, whatever lists seriously have a biased mind set on what's good music and what's bad music and also what makes a legend a legend in the first place.

Isn't a legend someone who has been so awe-inspiring and did many memorable things that people still talk about it to this day? Like King Arthur or something. lols.

Anyways, I never really thought of Jan as oh-so-amazing-bow-I'm-unworthy kind of talent. She has a lot of records and memorable songs though. I'm kind of in between.... Give it a few more years then I might have an answer.

ThePopLover2 said:

TotalAlisa said:

madonna did a sex book, and had slept with so many high profile celebs and non celebs. If this was janet, her career would have been over during the early 90s.

Madonna used so much publicity and gimmicks to stay relevant. No one can beat her out. she damn near did soft porn.

Out of janet's whole entire career her own scandal was the superbowl, and that was 20 years into it. I think janet has done a great job.

[Edited 8/7/11 17:30pm]

I'm not sure about that. But I agree that if she did try that stuff her career would've been over for slandering the Jackson name .

I'm already going to go ahead and call Janet a legend, as Seanman pointed out WAY too many people have copied Janet, I could post some more videos but You already get the point. Her not being on silly music lists shouldnt justify if she a legend or not, especially if Beyonce can make a music list and Janet cant.

vanilla ice, denis rodman, sean penn, john kennedy jr., lenny kravits, bobby brown, that guy from Jodeci ect and she slept with several DJs just to get her demos played in the clubs. Not only that she was having an affair with the man that produced Holiday John Benetiz.

this woman has a HUGE laundry list of men she slept with, and you can search this for yourself.

she definitly "worked" hard to make it. Its a known fact madonna is one of the biggest pop whores. Im surprised she was even able to get married.

Personally I think that she was popular and I liked her and her songs but I don't consider her a legend since she didn't do anything unique or out of the ordinary.

Icon? Sure.

Legend? No.

ManlyMoose said:

No, she has good CDs but nothing groundbreaking and to the public eye its like she never existed. Shes not remembered, and being slighty above average doesnt qualify you for the status Legendary.

u one of a few in your thoughts wonder woman cuz back in the 90's the world was already concidering her a legend and regardless of the flap she got over the nipple thing she is already in the books honey madonna suffered a rough peroid when her naked book came out and bounced back janet is as well

ManlyMoose said:

No, she has good CDs but nothing groundbreaking and to the public eye its like she never existed. Shes not remembered, and being slighty above average doesnt qualify you for the status Legendary.

u one of a few in your thoughts wonder woman cuz back in the 90's the world was already concidering her a legend and regardless of the flap she got over the nipple thing she is already in the books honey madonna suffered a rough peroid when her naked book came out and bounced back janet is as well