bboy87 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Diana Ross Presents had the better singles. Candy Girl is the better album...by a little.

Diana Ross Presents only had 1 single

But it's better than any of the NE songs (especially if you add in the b-side).

bboy87 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Diana Ross Presents had the better singles. Candy Girl is the better album...by a little.

Diana Ross Presents only had 1 single

Who's Lovin You was a B side.

musicjunky318 said:

bboy87 said:

Diana Ross Presents only had 1 single

Who's Lovin You was a B side.

I always considered the J5 version of WLY as a HIT and I love it mainly because it's the ones that are NEVER mentioned in the mainstream press when concerning Michael and the J5.

To answer your question, the Diana Ross Presents album whoops Candy Girl's. The Jacksons had more quality singles than NE anyways. New Edition was built off as Jackson 5 impersonators anyway without instruments.

I prefer New Edition because they had better manly voices than J5. Michael's kid voice irks the hell outta me but the others had great harmony behind him. New Edition had 3 great voices and 3 back up singers who could hold it down. New Edition is also the only group besides the Beatles to have spinned off successful solo careers. Poor Jermaine though his one hit givin to him by Stevie Wonder is ACE!!! I think Jermaine was probably my favorite since he didn't use the chipmunk efffect on his voice and held his own against the magnificent Whitney on their duets.

Never heard either album to really comment on that.

PlayboyOriginal said:

New Edition is also the only group besides the Beatles to have spinned off successful solo careers.

You're forgetting Genesis:

Phil Collins

Peter Gabriel

Mike & The Mechanics

Then the other members have a cult audience because their music isn't really commercial:

Steve Hackett

Tony Banks

Brand X (Phil Collins)

Anthony Phllips

Their touring drummer Chester Thompson has done a lot of session work and also used to be a member of Weather Report.

MickyDolenz said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

New Edition is also the only group besides the Beatles to have spinned off successful solo careers.

You're forgetting Genesis:

Phil Collins

Peter Gabriel

Mike & The Mechanics

Then the other members have a cult audience because their music isn't really commercial:

Steve Hackett

Tony Banks

Brand X (Phil Collins)

Anthony Phllips

Their touring drummer Chester Thompson has done a lot of session work and also used to be a member of Weather Report.

I'm not really versed in 80's music, its actually my least favorite decade so forgive my ignorance. You seem to love it so maybe you can educate me.

PlayboyOriginal said:

I prefer New Edition because they had better manly voices than J5. Michael's kid voice irks the hell outta me but the others had great harmony behind him. New Edition had 3 great voices and 3 back up singers who could hold it down. New Edition is also the only group besides the Beatles to have spinned off successful solo careers. Poor Jermaine though his one hit givin to him by Stevie Wonder is ACE!!! I think Jermaine was probably my favorite since he didn't use the chipmunk efffect on his voice and held his own against the magnificent Whitney on their duets.

Never heard either album to really comment on that.

NE had "manly voices" much later but in the beginning? Are you sure about that?

PlayboyOriginal said:

I prefer New Edition because they had better manly voices than J5. Michael's kid voice irks the hell outta me but the others had great harmony behind him. New Edition had 3 great voices and 3 back up singers who could hold it down. New Edition is also the only group besides the Beatles to have spinned off successful solo careers.

Poor Jermaine though his one hit givin to him by Stevie Wonder is ACE!!! I think Jermaine was probably my favorite since he didn't use the chipmunk efffect on his voice and held his own against the magnificent Whitney on their duets.

Never heard either album to really comment on that.

"Let's Get Serious" is his biggest hit (and it's fantastic), but to say he just had one hit is crazy. "Daddy's Home"? "Don't Take It Personal"? "Let Me Tickle Your Fancy"? "Dynamite"? You sure you didn't miss the '70s as well as the '80s?

PlayboyOriginal said:

I prefer New Edition because they had better manly voices than J5. Michael's kid voice irks the hell outta me but the others had great harmony behind him. New Edition had 3 great voices and 3 back up singers who could hold it down. New Edition is also the only group besides the Beatles to have spinned off successful solo careers. Poor Jermaine though his one hit givin to him by Stevie Wonder is ACE!!! I think Jermaine was probably my favorite since he didn't use the chipmunk efffect on his voice and held his own against the magnificent Whitney on their duets.

Never heard either album to really comment on that.

Is there another version of New Edition that I don't know about?

Adisa said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

I prefer New Edition because they had better manly voices than J5. Michael's kid voice irks the hell outta me but the others had great harmony behind him. New Edition had 3 great voices and 3 back up singers who could hold it down. New Edition is also the only group besides the Beatles to have spinned off successful solo careers. Poor Jermaine though his one hit givin to him by Stevie Wonder is ACE!!! I think Jermaine was probably my favorite since he didn't use the chipmunk efffect on his voice and held his own against the magnificent Whitney on their duets.

Never heard either album to really comment on that.

Is there another version of New Edition that I don't know about?

Yeah, I'd say 1 great voice, 1 good one, 2 serviceable ones, and... well... 2 mediocre but sometimes amusing rappers.

bboy87 said:

paisleypark4 said:

It's only matter of opinion...doesnt mean that anyone's album is 'better or greater' just a healthy evaluation.

I put on facebook that I like New Editions songs more than Jackson 5 songs..and my brother strongly disagreed with me....

Your thoughts?

I disagreed with you too!

I think J5 had stronger material, NE didn't have exceptionally strong material until All For Love. Candy Girl and the self titled LP both had a couple of forgettable tunes

And am I the only one who doesn't listen to "Under The Blue Moon"? It's the only NE album aside from One Love that I haven't fully listened to

I don't listen to Blue Moon or Merry Christmas (two albums that could have been original albums) but I did like Bring Back The Memories and their version of Lonely Girl. You crazy if you thought the material on the first two albums were not just as strong as Heartbreak.

Adisa said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

I prefer New Edition because they had better manly voices than J5. Michael's kid voice irks the hell outta me but the others had great harmony behind him. New Edition had 3 great voices and 3 back up singers who could hold it down. New Edition is also the only group besides the Beatles to have spinned off successful solo careers. Poor Jermaine though his one hit givin to him by Stevie Wonder is ACE!!! I think Jermaine was probably my favorite since he didn't use the chipmunk efffect on his voice and held his own against the magnificent Whitney on their duets.

Never heard either album to really comment on that.

Is there another version of New Edition that I don't know about?

I think the comment that PlayboyOriginal hearing neither album says it all

I'm a huge New Edition fan but Ralph's voice on the first 2 albums were SQUEAKY and pretty weak, but he did improve on the self titled album. Bobby and Ralph's voices were better back then. but Ricky rarely got a solo on the first couple of albums

AlexdeParis said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

I prefer New Edition because they had better manly voices than J5. Michael's kid voice irks the hell outta me but the others had great harmony behind him. New Edition had 3 great voices and 3 back up singers who could hold it down. New Edition is also the only group besides the Beatles to have spinned off successful solo careers.

Poor Jermaine though his one hit givin to him by Stevie Wonder is ACE!!! I think Jermaine was probably my favorite since he didn't use the chipmunk efffect on his voice and held his own against the magnificent Whitney on their duets.

Never heard either album to really comment on that.

"Let's Get Serious" is his biggest hit (and it's fantastic), but to say he just had one hit is crazy. "Daddy's Home"? "Don't Take It Personal"? "Let Me Tickle Your Fancy"? "Dynamite"? You sure you didn't miss the '70s as well as the '80s?

Jermaine had about 3 hits on the Hot 100 but he had about 15 top 20 singles on the R&B chart

bboy87 said:

AlexdeParis said:

"Let's Get Serious" is his biggest hit (and it's fantastic), but to say he just had one hit is crazy. "Daddy's Home"? "Don't Take It Personal"? "Let Me Tickle Your Fancy"? "Dynamite"? You sure you didn't miss the '70s as well as the '80s?

Jermaine had about 3 hits on the Hot 100 but he had about 15 top 20 singles on the R&B chart

Jermaine had 7 top 40 hits.

two Top 10s

four between 11-20

and one at 32

LittleBLUECorvette said:

bboy87 said:

Jermaine had about 3 hits on the Hot 100 but he had about 15 top 20 singles on the R&B chart

Jermaine had 7 top 40 hits.

two Top 10s

four between 11-20

and one at 32

Yep. Ralph only had two hits and a half. Ricky never had a solo hit, just with BBD, and I don't think they had seven top 40 hits on the pop chart (maybe R&B though). Johnny probably had at least five. Only Bobby had more than all of them had together.

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Jermaine had 7 top 40 hits.

two Top 10s

four between 11-20

and one at 32

Yep. Ralph only had two hits and a half. Ricky never had a solo hit, just with BBD, and I don't think they had seven top 40 hits on the pop chart (maybe R&B though). Johnny probably had at least five. Only Bobby had more than all of them had together.

BBD had 6 top 40 singles. They only released 10 singles.

two top 10s (both #3)

one between 11-20

two bewteen 21-30

one top 40 hit.

Ralp two top 40 singles and only 10 singles released.

I'm suprised Johnny only had 5 top 40 singles and Bobby has 9 top 40 singles.

Even more suprising, New Edition only has 7 top 40 hits.

Four Top 10s

one top 30

two top 40s

Every single the J5 released entered the top 40 besides their last single at Motown which was not promoted it bowed in at #60.

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Yep. Ralph only had two hits and a half. Ricky never had a solo hit, just with BBD, and I don't think they had seven top 40 hits on the pop chart (maybe R&B though). Johnny probably had at least five. Only Bobby had more than all of them had together.

BBD had 6 top 40 singles. They only released 10 singles.

two top 10s (both #3)

one between 11-20

two bewteen 21-30

one top 40 hit.

Ralp two top 40 singles and only 10 singles released.

I'm suprised Johnny only had 5 top 40 singles and Bobby has 9 top 40 singles.

Even more suprising, New Edition only has 7 top 40 hits.

Four Top 10s

one top 30

two top 40s

Every single the J5 released entered the top 40 besides their last single at Motown which was not promoted it bowed in at #60.

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how many top 40 hits does the jackson 5 have altogether?

HAPPYPERSON said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

BBD had 6 top 40 singles. They only released 10 singles.

two top 10s (both #3)

one between 11-20

two bewteen 21-30

one top 40 hit.

Ralp two top 40 singles and only 10 singles released.

I'm suprised Johnny only had 5 top 40 singles and Bobby has 9 top 40 singles.

Even more suprising, New Edition only has 7 top 40 hits.

Four Top 10s

one top 30

two top 40s

Every single the J5 released entered the top 40 besides their last single at Motown which was not promoted it bowed in at #60.

[Edited 8/8/11 22:39pm]

how many top 40 hits does the jackson 5 have altogether?

16 (as the Jackson 5).

[Edited 8/9/11 1:30am]

bboy87 said:

paisleypark4 said:

bboy87 said:

I think the comment that PlayboyOriginal hearing neither album says it all

I'm a huge New Edition fan but Ralph's voice on the first 2 albums were SQUEAKY and pretty weak, but he did improve on the self titled album. Bobby and Ralph's voices were better back then. but Ricky rarely got a solo on the first couple of albums

Right right, Ricky is probably one of my fav falcettos, but they do not let him shine enough. Maryann, I'm Leaving U Again, My Secret...I'm Still In Love With U...Can U Stand The Rain...am I missing some others?

I've been saying for over 20 years that Ricky really is the best vocalist for the kind of music they do. Yes when the first album dropped Ralph was better and Ralph had that next MJ marketing thing that they used to hype up the group. From the second lp onwards Ricky was the best vocalist in the group while Ralph was always straining and looking like a wooden dummy when he performed. Whenhe hear Ralph these days I'm always wondering if he chain smokes, or if he did some damage to his cords from straining all those years.

Adisa said:

paisleypark4 said:

bboy87 said: Right right, Ricky is probably one of my fav falcettos, but they do not let him shine enough. Maryann, I'm Leaving U Again, My Secret...I'm Still In Love With U...Can U Stand The Rain...am I missing some others?

I've been saying for over 20 years that Ricky really is the best vocalist for the kind of music they do. Yes when the first album dropped Ralph was better and Ralph had that next MJ marketing thing that they used to hype up the group. From the second lp onwards Ricky was the best vocalist in the group while Ralph was always straining and looking like a wooden dummy when he performed. Whenhe hear Ralph these days I'm always wondering if he chain smokes, or if he did some damage to his cords from straining all those years.

paisleypark4 said:

Adisa said:

I've been saying for over 20 years that Ricky really is the best vocalist for the kind of music they do. Yes when the first album dropped Ralph was better and Ralph had that next MJ marketing thing that they used to hype up the group. From the second lp onwards Ricky was the best vocalist in the group while Ralph was always straining and looking like a wooden dummy when he performed. Whenhe hear Ralph these days I'm always wondering if he chain smokes, or if he did some damage to his cords from straining all those years.

Kinda like Bobby's very hoarse voice now? Doesnt even think he cares about straining much anymore..just accepted it lol...unlike Nippy. Ralph has a very nice voice...I dont know about hearing him lead on all the New Edition songs though...Ralp just has a distinctive voice to the group..he is their sound.

He is their sound it was the right decision to replace Ricky with Ralph as NE lead singer back in the day. The problem was that the labels were trying to market them as the next J5 but NE was already much older than that. By the second lp them dudes were coming up on 16 and 17 (except Bobby) and were alredy too old for the sound the label was trying to give them. Bobby was right to act a fool, because NE's sound and image really was whack for their ages and their upbringing, and he knew it...and he's the baby of the bunch.

Adisa said:

paisleypark4 said:

Kinda like Bobby's very hoarse voice now? Doesnt even think he cares about straining much anymore..just accepted it lol...unlike Nippy. Ralph has a very nice voice...I dont know about hearing him lead on all the New Edition songs though...Ralp just has a distinctive voice to the group..he is their sound.

He is their sound it was the right decision to replace Ricky with Ralph as NE lead singer back in the day. The problem was that the labels were trying to market them as the next J5 but NE was already much older than that. By the second lp them dudes were coming up on 16 and 17 (except Bobby) and were alredy too old for the sound the label was trying to give them. Bobby was right to act a fool, because NE's sound and image really was whack for their ages and their upbringing, and he knew it...and he's the baby of the bunch.

I keep forgetting how old they were..they looked so young though even for their age.

The problem was they got into a contract with Maurice Starr that messed them up...and then a second contract that left them owing money to the people around them....the label was just trying to make them sings songs that would crossover..and it worked. New Edition and All For Love albums were stellar. It did take Bobby though to actually make the group sharpen up for Heartbreak....

paisleypark4 said:

Adisa said:

He is their sound it was the right decision to replace Ricky with Ralph as NE lead singer back in the day. The problem was that the labels were trying to market them as the next J5 but NE was already much older than that. By the second lp them dudes were coming up on 16 and 17 (except Bobby) and were alredy too old for the sound the label was trying to give them. Bobby was right to act a fool, because NE's sound and image really was whack for their ages and their upbringing, and he knew it...and he's the baby of the bunch.

I keep forgetting how old they were..they looked so young though even for their age.

The problem was they got into a contract with Maurice Starr that messed them up...and then a second contract that left them owing money to the people around them....the label was just trying to make them sings songs that would crossover..and it worked. New Edition and All For Love albums were stellar. It did take Bobby though to actually make the group sharpen up for Heartbreak....

But we're talking about vocals. They wanted them specifically to be this whole new J5 which is why Ralph's vocals were always strained and annoying. Dude was already too old to be the next lil Michael Jackson. The label could have taken them in a different direction musically if they wanted to and they still could have made some major dough. But it is what it is.

They had a 15-year-old boy sounding like an 11-year-old boy (then again I say the same about Bill Kaulitz lol). That's not cute.

Bobby was right for acting a fool and leaving and he was still only 16 when he left!

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Adisa said:

By the second lp them dudes were coming up on 16 and 17 (except Bobby) and were already too old for the sound the label was trying to give them.

Jackie Jackson was 18 or 19 on the debut album for Motown. Some of The Osmonds were older guys too, that's why Donny was added to the group after the J5 hit.

MickyDolenz said:

Adisa said:

Jackie Jackson was 18 or 19 on the debut album for Motown. Some of The Osmonds were older guys too, that's why Donny was added to the group after the J5 hit.

Who made their public debut first: Jimmy Osmond OR Randy Jackson?

TonyVanDam said:

MickyDolenz said:

Jackie Jackson was 18 or 19 on the debut album for Motown. Some of The Osmonds were older guys too, that's why Donny was added to the group after the J5 hit.

Who made their public debut first: Jimmy Osmond OR Randy Jackson?

The same year: 1972. But technically I think you can say Jimmy.

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I choose Diana Ross presents...absolutely.. Little Michael's voice was wonderful :luv a voice that made me cry more than once ....but too much covers in both albums...

TonyVanDam said:

MickyDolenz said:

Jackie Jackson was 18 or 19 on the debut album for Motown. Some of The Osmonds were older guys too, that's why Donny was added to the group after the J5 hit.

Who made their public debut first: Jimmy Osmond OR Randy Jackson?

Randy was being mention in magz as far back as 1970.