mjscarousal said:

powersoul99 said:

LOL, your saying there is something wrong with me, whilst you defend a known peado.

Get into the real world, those rose tinted glasses will break when all the truth comes out, and it will come out as soon as the record sells stop.

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I get so tired of the unsubstantiated statements presented as fact that I just stop responding to ignorance.

smoothcriminal12 said:

powersoul99 said:

A female that he married and had a child with.

MJ had young boys.

So having underage sex with a female is better than underage sex with a male?

There's something wrong with you...

Having sex with one under age female and marrying her is better than regularly molesting sick pre pubescent boys in my eyes.

But we'll have to agree to differ.

Gunsnhalen said:

Talent wins in the end, i started getting annoyed with M.J After awhile cause all people do is talk about his records this & records that. And not enough about the thing that actually matters his music....

I don't understand why others make you like an artist more or less. If you, truly, like something then what others say or think should not sway your opinions in the least imo.

do u really think Katy Perry wakes up and says...."i need to beak MJ's record!!" i think not...her record company trying to milk it's investment for all it's worth...

her music isn't deep, has no life changing messages, it's fun for young girls, not offensive or vulgar and the like to sing and dance to it...so what's the problem??

SquirrelMeat said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

So having underage sex with a female is better than underage sex with a male?

There's something wrong with you...

Having sex with one under age female and marrying her is better than regularly molesting sick pre pubescent boys in my eyes.

But we'll have to agree to differ.

I think that's really, really, wrong, to be honest. Both were molested either way. If Michael had later married the boy would it make it right?

SquirrelMeat said:

Having sex with one under age female and marrying her is better than regularly molesting sick pre pubescent boys in my eyes.

But we'll have to agree to differ.

Unholyalliance said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Having sex with one under age female and marrying her is better than regularly molesting sick pre pubescent boys in my eyes.

But we'll have to agree to differ.

Rather than the one that posed the question?!

smoothcriminal12 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Having sex with one under age female and marrying her is better than regularly molesting sick pre pubescent boys in my eyes.

But we'll have to agree to differ.

I think that's really, really, wrong, to be honest. Both were molested either way. If Michael had later married the boy would it make it right?

They are both wrong. But I don't put them on the same level. Your post suggests MJ was dating one underage kid.

There is a big difference (in my eyes) in a pubescent teenager choosing to date an older person than a multitude of young sick kids being asked to do very bad things and then being paid off through their parents.

If you don't agree, so be it.

SquirrelMeat said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I think that's really, really, wrong, to be honest. Both were molested either way. If Michael had later married the boy would it make it right?

They are both wrong. But I don't put them on the same level. Your post suggests MJ was dating one underage kid.

There is a big difference (in my eyes) in a pubescent teenager choosing to date an older person than a multitude of young sick kids being asked to do very bad things and then being paid off through their parents.

If you don't agree, so be it.

But a teenager really ISN'T capable of making the right choice in this case. The adult is, though. That's why it is wrong.

But whatever.

PlayboyOriginal said:

musicjunky318 said:

Oh bullshit. I'm sick of people acting like Thriller is the end all/the only thing he ever did. He was much more than that.

Bad is just as good as Dangerous is better and is his best album.

Off The Wall is his best album actually. Bad is spotty as hell and when he started to become cheesy and corny. Outside of Destiny, OTW, Triumph and Thriller.... he really wasn't all that IMO. I get tired of people acting like the man was god but we all gotta just DEAL and accept the good with the bad.

no..Dangerous was solid...name another performer that had a solid album as much as Dangerous at that time?

paisleypark4 said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

Off The Wall is his best album actually. Bad is spotty as hell and when he started to become cheesy and corny. Outside of Destiny, OTW, Triumph and Thriller.... he really wasn't all that IMO. I get tired of people acting like the man was god but we all gotta just DEAL and accept the good with the bad.

no..Dangerous was solid...name another performer that had a solid album as much as Dangerous at that time?

Nirvana?

MJ's singles from Thriller are more celebrated today then his singles from Bad, at least in the non MJ stan community.

#1s don't really matter in the long run. Alot of the most celebrated songs of the 80s/90s didn't make it to #1.

RKJCNE said:

MJ's singles from Thriller are more celebrated today then his singles from Bad, at least in the non MJ stan community.

#1s don't really matter in the long run. Alot of the most celebrated songs of the 80s/90s didn't make it to #1.

There's songs in the '80s that only did modest and yet the way they're being played constantly like "I Stopped the World (And Melt With You)" and "What I Like About You", you think they were #1 in their day. But you're right, there's a lot of classics that never made #1. Again that tells you how much of a not so huge deal this is.

Timmy84 said:

RKJCNE said:

MJ's singles from Thriller are more celebrated today then his singles from Bad, at least in the non MJ stan community.

#1s don't really matter in the long run. Alot of the most celebrated songs of the 80s/90s didn't make it to #1.

There's songs in the '80s that only did modest and yet the way they're being played constantly like "I Stopped the World (And Melt With You)" and "What I Like About You", you think they were #1 in their day. But you're right, there's a lot of classics that never made #1. Again that tells you how much of a not so huge deal this is.

Or take Prince for example, Sign O the times and U Got The Look were both top 5 singles yet I never hear them on the radio, however 1999 and I Wanna Be Your Lover didn't crack the top 10 and they still get plenty of airplay.

It's gonna be while before we know what modern songs will remain classics, but I would place my bet on Teenage Dream (The single) as her biggest legacy.

RKJCNE said:

Timmy84 said:

There's songs in the '80s that only did modest and yet the way they're being played constantly like "I Stopped the World (And Melt With You)" and "What I Like About You", you think they were #1 in their day. But you're right, there's a lot of classics that never made #1. Again that tells you how much of a not so huge deal this is.

Or take Prince for example, Sign O the times and U Got The Look were both top 5 singles yet I never hear them on the radio, however 1999 and I Wanna Be Your Lover didn't crack the top 10 and they still get plenty of airplay.

It's gonna be while before we know what modern songs will remain classics, but I would place my bet on Teenage Dream (The single) as her biggest legacy.

I oddly think it would be "I Kissed a Girl" but you might have a good point about "Teenage Dream" lol

paisleypark4 said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

Off The Wall is his best album actually. Bad is spotty as hell and when he started to become cheesy and corny. Outside of Destiny, OTW, Triumph and Thriller.... he really wasn't all that IMO. I get tired of people acting like the man was god but we all gotta just DEAL and accept the good with the bad.

no..Dangerous was solid...name another performer that had a solid album as much as Dangerous at that time?

Really? iknow that's a joke i can name a lot

Guns N Roses- Use Your Illusion 1&2

Nirvana- Nevermind

Terrecne Trent D'arby- Symphony Or Damn

Pearl Jam- Ten

U2- Achtung Baby

Red Hot chili Peppers- Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic

Screamadelica- Primal Scream

Metallica- Metallica

Tribe Called Quest- Low End Theory

Soundgarden- Badmotorfinger

Talk Talk- laughing Stock

R.E.M- Out Of Time

Crowded House- Woodface

Smashing Pumpkins- Gish

Queen- innuendo

All those albums kill Dangerous, and if you mean just solo performers Terences album had way more abition then Dangerous. And was way better written & performed.

Gunsnhalen said:

paisleypark4 said:

no..Dangerous was solid...name another performer that had a solid album as much as Dangerous at that time?

Really? iknow that's a joke i can name a lot

Guns N Roses- Use Your Illusion 1&2

Nirvana- Nevermind

Terrecne Trent D'arby- Symphony Or Damn

Pearl Jam- Ten

U2- Achtung Baby

Red Hot chili Peppers- Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic

Screamadelica- Primal Scream

Metallica- Metallica

Tribe Called Quest- Low End Theory

Soundgarden- Badmotorfinger

Talk Talk- laughing Stock

R.E.M- Out Of Time

Crowded House- Woodface

Smashing Pumpkins- Gish

Queen- innuendo

All those albums kill Dangerous, and if you mean just solo performers Terences album had way more abition then Dangerous. And was way better written & performed.

I wouldn't say that they kill Dangerous...Dangerous is a pretty awesome album. But they're definitely all great albums.

Gunsnhalen said:

paisleypark4 said:

no..Dangerous was solid...name another performer that had a solid album as much as Dangerous at that time?

Really? iknow that's a joke i can name a lot

Guns N Roses- Use Your Illusion 1&2

Nirvana- Nevermind

Terrecne Trent D'arby- Symphony Or Damn

Pearl Jam- Ten

U2- Achtung Baby

Red Hot chili Peppers- Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic

Screamadelica- Primal Scream

Metallica- Metallica

Tribe Called Quest- Low End Theory

Soundgarden- Badmotorfinger

Talk Talk- laughing Stock

R.E.M- Out Of Time

Crowded House- Woodface

Smashing Pumpkins- Gish

Queen- innuendo

All those albums kill Dangerous, and if you mean just solo performers Terences album had way more abition then Dangerous. And was way better written & performed.

1991 was a great year.

RKJCNE said:

MJ's singles from Thriller are more celebrated today then his singles from Bad, at least in the non MJ stan community.

#1s don't really matter in the long run. Alot of the most celebrated songs of the 80s/90s didn't make it to #1.

Exactly right. This whole discussion is oh-so-pointless.

Which songs have had the biggest impact, and are the most well-known?

"Dirty Diana" (#1) or "Thriller"? (#4)

"I Just Can't Stop Loving You" (#1) or "Wanna Be Startin' Something"? (#5)

Hell, a Prince fan should really understand this. Which is the bigger hit in Prince's lexicon: "Purple Rain" (#2), or "Batdance" (#1)? "Raspberry Beret" (#2), or "Little Red Corvette" (#6) vs. "Cream" (#1)?

Which is the more important single: Madonna's "Express Yourself" (#2) or "This Used To Be My Playground" (#1)? Doesn't compare.

"One" by U2, one of the most famous and acclaimed singles of the 90s... hit #10. John Lennon's "Imagine" - one of the most beloved tracks in pop/rock history... hit #3. His single "Whatever Gets You Through The Night", on the other hand, hit #1. Does that mean it's bigger or more important than "Imagine". Pffft.

Journey's "Don't Stop Believin'" is the most downloaded song ever recorded in the 20th century... and it hit #9. In fact, Journey never hit #1 in the US - - nor did Bruce Springsteen. Fleetwood Mac, with all those classic singles, hit #1 exactly once ("Dreams").

So yeah... this obsession with charts and numbers is pointless in the big scheme of things.

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Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Really? iknow that's a joke i can name a lot

Guns N Roses- Use Your Illusion 1&2

Nirvana- Nevermind

Terrecne Trent D'arby- Symphony Or Damn

Pearl Jam- Ten

U2- Achtung Baby

Red Hot chili Peppers- Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic

Screamadelica- Primal Scream

Metallica- Metallica

Tribe Called Quest- Low End Theory

Soundgarden- Badmotorfinger

Talk Talk- laughing Stock

R.E.M- Out Of Time

Crowded House- Woodface

Smashing Pumpkins- Gish

Queen- innuendo

All those albums kill Dangerous, and if you mean just solo performers Terences album had way more abition then Dangerous. And was way better written & performed.

1991 was a great year.

it was! to bad i was not even 1 most of the year but i have the albums now to reflect

Timmy84 said:

RKJCNE said:

MJ's singles from Thriller are more celebrated today then his singles from Bad, at least in the non MJ stan community.

#1s don't really matter in the long run. Alot of the most celebrated songs of the 80s/90s didn't make it to #1.

There's songs in the '80s that only did modest and yet the way they're being played constantly like "I Stopped the World (And Melt With You)" and "What I Like About You", you think they were #1 in their day. But you're right, there's a lot of classics that never made #1. Again that tells you how much of a not so huge deal this is.

Britney is the perfect example for this. The majority of her most popular material never made it to #1. Oops!...I Did It Again, I'm A Slave 4 U, Toxic, Everytime, and Gimme More never topped the Hot 100 while stuff like 3 and Hold It Against Me did.

Now you tell me which are more classic, the former or latter?

Timmy84 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Really? iknow that's a joke i can name a lot

Guns N Roses- Use Your Illusion 1&2

Nirvana- Nevermind

Terrecne Trent D'arby- Symphony Or Damn

Pearl Jam- Ten

U2- Achtung Baby

Red Hot chili Peppers- Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic

Screamadelica- Primal Scream

Metallica- Metallica

Tribe Called Quest- Low End Theory

Soundgarden- Badmotorfinger

Talk Talk- laughing Stock

R.E.M- Out Of Time

Crowded House- Woodface

Smashing Pumpkins- Gish

Queen- innuendo

All those albums kill Dangerous, and if you mean just solo performers Terences album had way more abition then Dangerous. And was way better written & performed.

1991 was a great year.

Tell me about it. Too bad I was 2.

musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

1991 was a great year.

Tell me about it. Too bad I was 2.

I was 4

bboy87 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Tell me about it. Too bad I was 2.

I was 4

I was not even thought of.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Really? iknow that's a joke i can name a lot

Guns N Roses- Use Your Illusion 1&2

Nirvana- Nevermind

Terrecne Trent D'arby- Symphony Or Damn

Pearl Jam- Ten

U2- Achtung Baby

Red Hot chili Peppers- Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic

Screamadelica- Primal Scream

Metallica- Metallica

Tribe Called Quest- Low End Theory

Soundgarden- Badmotorfinger

Talk Talk- laughing Stock

R.E.M- Out Of Time

Crowded House- Woodface

Smashing Pumpkins- Gish

Queen- innuendo

All those albums kill Dangerous, and if you mean just solo performers Terences album had way more abition then Dangerous. And was way better written & performed.

I wouldn't say that they kill Dangerous...Dangerous is a pretty awesome album. But they're definitely all great albums.

Dangerous is good.... but Nevermind brought to life an entire new music scene as did Ten, Metallicas album brought heavy metal to mainstream, My Bloody Valentine brought noise rock to the masses more then any other noise rock band before. Can't say Dangerous brought anything like that to the table

Gunsnhalen said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I wouldn't say that they kill Dangerous...Dangerous is a pretty awesome album. But they're definitely all great albums.

Dangerous is good.... but Nevermind brought to life an entire new music scene as did Ten, Metallicas album brought heavy metal to mainstream, My Bloody Valentine brought noise rock to the masses more then any other noise rock band before. Can't say Dangerous brought anything like that to the table

Michael was way too busy following trends. Besides, Dangerous was released two years too late. The New Jack Swing period was dying, and Nevermind knocking Dangerous off the top of the charts was the death of New Jack Swing.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Dangerous is good.... but Nevermind brought to life an entire new music scene as did Ten, Metallicas album brought heavy metal to mainstream, My Bloody Valentine brought noise rock to the masses more then any other noise rock band before. Can't say Dangerous brought anything like that to the table

Michael was way too busy following trends. Besides, Dangerous was released two years too late. The New Jack Swing period was dying, and Nevermind knocking Dangerous off the top of the charts was the death of New Jack Swing.

i'm not sure about the new jack thing... i always hear Nevermind killed hair metal, now new jack swing, Nevermind was a new movement. But it didn't murder other genres like people believe. There where some new Jack Swing songs doing well in 92 & 93 hell even some hair metal songs still charted on the billboard hot 100. Hair Metal & New Jack where relatively short lived dramas as was Grunge

The only grunge artists still successful today is Pearl Jam, R. Kelly is the only New Jack Swinger who is still relevant honestly... and he is far from what he used to be

Gunsnhalen said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Michael was way too busy following trends. Besides, Dangerous was released two years too late. The New Jack Swing period was dying, and Nevermind knocking Dangerous off the top of the charts was the death of New Jack Swing.

i'm not sure about the new jack thing... i always hear Nevermind killed hair metal, now new jack swing, Nevermind was a new movement. But it didn't murder other genres like people believe. There where some new Jack Swing songs doing well in 92 & 93 hell even some hair metal songs still charted on the billboard hot 100. Hair Metal & New Jack where relatively short lived dramas as was Grunge

The only grunge artists still successful today is Pearl Jam, R. Kelly is the only New Jack Swinger who is still relevant honestly... and he is far from what he used to be

True.

this is the first forums where i see majority of michael jackson's timeless works undermined so much..wow

smoothcriminal12 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Dangerous is good.... but Nevermind brought to life an entire new music scene as did Ten, Metallicas album brought heavy metal to mainstream, My Bloody Valentine brought noise rock to the masses more then any other noise rock band before. Can't say Dangerous brought anything like that to the table

Michael was way too busy following trends. Besides, Dangerous was released two years too late. The New Jack Swing period was dying, and Nevermind knocking Dangerous off the top of the charts was the death of New Jack Swing.

the New Jack Swing and Hip Hop Soul movements were still strong as ever in 1991 Nevermind didn't kill NJS. NJS's decline started in '94