TylerHippie said:

I have the best threads ever...

smoothcriminal12 said:

unique said:

i've got nothing against you to have a truce about. i don't give a fuck what anyone thinks about prince so wouldn't defend him. it's just when MJ fans post a load of shite to try and make MJ seem better than another artist, that's when i'll point out the truths of the matter

so to end this for all. MJ lip synched during his shows as no-one denies, thus is not a better vocalist than freddie mercury who sang live during his shows

and if you don't understand that, go listen to some queen. or look at fucking queen youtubes. just don't post the fuckers here as no cunt wants to see them

Him lip-synching during concerts does not make him a worse vocalist, it just makes him lazier. Your logic is flawed.

whatever excuse you want to summise, the end of the matter is that a great vocalist wouldn't mime. and you can't consider someone as being a greater singer if they were too lazy, fucked up on drugs or whatever to be able to sing 15 or so songs during a bloody pop concert

if you really think that kind of action is deserving of so much praise, you need to have a word with yourself

GeminiBrown said:

TylerHippie said:

I have the best threads ever...

What does that mean?

unique said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Him lip-synching during concerts does not make him a worse vocalist, it just makes him lazier. Your logic is flawed.

whatever excuse you want to summise, the end of the matter is that a great vocalist wouldn't mime. and you can't consider someone as being a greater singer if they were too lazy, fucked up on drugs or whatever to be able to sing 15 or so songs during a bloody pop concert

if you really think that kind of action is deserving of so much praise, you need to have a word with yourself

Great vocalists mime all the timing, and miming does not have any effect on the way your voice sounds. Your voice is your voice at the end of the day, and whether or not you sing at your concerts does not make you a better vocalist.

novabrkr said:

But then again, Freddie's style was always more theatrical to the point of being ridiculous and there's a good reason why he became such a favourite for the sports crowd. I am always amused by the irony in that.

OMG. THIS, forever. Every time I hear some sports fans going batshit over a Queen song at a game I'm all, "Do you even KNOW who you're listening to?" But at least it's a nice break from the usual sports crap music.

TylerHippie said:

GeminiBrown said:

What does that mean?

I dig ur wicked sense of humor bro.

GeminiBrown said:

TylerHippie said:

What does that mean?

I dig ur wicked sense of humor bro.

Wow, your the first person to say. Thanks bro.

smoothcriminal12 said:

unique said:

whatever excuse you want to summise, the end of the matter is that a great vocalist wouldn't mime. and you can't consider someone as being a greater singer if they were too lazy, fucked up on drugs or whatever to be able to sing 15 or so songs during a bloody pop concert

if you really think that kind of action is deserving of so much praise, you need to have a word with yourself

Great vocalists mime all the timing, and miming does not have any effect on the way your voice sounds. Your voice is your voice at the end of the day, and whether or not you sing at your concerts does not make you a better vocalist.

contratulations for posting the stupidest thing i've read all day

i'm going to leave you to your trolling now

TylerHippie said:

GeminiBrown said:

I dig ur wicked sense of humor bro.

Wow, your the first person to say. Thanks bro.

Very welcome

unique said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Great vocalists mime all the timing, and miming does not have any effect on the way your voice sounds. Your voice is your voice at the end of the day, and whether or not you sing at your concerts does not make you a better vocalist.

contratulations for posting the stupidest thing i've read all day

i'm going to leave you to your trolling now

What's trolling?

unique said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

jezuz fuck, you aren't retarded are you? can't you fucking tell when people are being serious or not? it's a fucking thread about freddie mercury. not about war and fucking peice. fuck sake. you are way off the fucking page

You want to talk about MJ fans not being taken seriously but I certainly hope you don't think anyone is taking you seriously right now. It is possible to have a discussion without cursing every five mins at people. You don't have to be so disrespectful to get your points across. Totally unnecessary not to mention incredibly immature.

At the end of the day, people have their opinions regardless. Those like myself who feel MJ was one of the top vocalists will continue to think so and as far as him lip synching, no one here denied that. If you were able to look past your anger filled rage for a few mins, you'd be able to see that the other posters were simply saying that he did not lip synch his entire solo career which is a fact.

The only time MJ lip synched for almost an entire tour was on "History" which I was and am not a big fan of in general. I don't like the fact he lip synched so much and i'm a huge fan, but to say he always lip synched is not an opinion.

It's a flat out lie period.

I think Freddie Mercury was a great rock singer. I love Bohemian Rhapsody. I read or heard somewhere Freddie was actually trained in opera?

But as far as I'm concerned the best rock singer is Robert Plant during his Led Zeppelin days. That dude could wail. My favorite Zeppelin song is "Babe, I'm gonna leave you..." Jimmy Paige on that guitar. Plant just... singing the hell out of that song. That recording just gives me chills.

To compare MJ to Freddie or Robert Plant, I just think MJ sang a different genre of music.

unique said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Great vocalists mime all the timing, and miming does not have any effect on the way your voice sounds. Your voice is your voice at the end of the day, and whether or not you sing at your concerts does not make you a better vocalist.

contratulations for posting the stupidest thing i've read all day

i'm going to leave you to your trolling now

And I'll leave you to your idiocy.

deadmansbones said:

I think Freddie Mercury was a great rock singer. I love Bohemian Rhapsody. I read or heard somewhere Freddie was actually trained in opera?

But as far as I'm concerned the best rock singer is Robert Plant during his Led Zeppelin days. That dude could wail. My favorite Zeppelin song is "Babe, I'm gonna leave you..." Jimmy Paige on that guitar. Plant just... singing the hell out of that song. That recording just gives me chills.

To compare MJ to Freddie or Robert Plant, I just think MJ sang a different genre of music.

Freddie could sing anything, including Opera (i.e. Barcelona).

For me a great singer isn't just about having power and belting out songs though, tone is a big factor for me. MJ might not have been able to belt out like Freddie, but I absolutely love the tone of his voice and he was in fact a very diverse vocalist who could sing different genres of music. He could do a lot with his voice.

But as you said, MJ and Freddie were totally different vocalists, it's hard to compare them. Just as it would be hard to compare say Freddie to Sam Cooke. Totally different types of singers but all great in their own right.

Cinnamon234 said:

deadmansbones said:

I think Freddie Mercury was a great rock singer. I love Bohemian Rhapsody. I read or heard somewhere Freddie was actually trained in opera?

But as far as I'm concerned the best rock singer is Robert Plant during his Led Zeppelin days. That dude could wail. My favorite Zeppelin song is "Babe, I'm gonna leave you..." Jimmy Paige on that guitar. Plant just... singing the hell out of that song. That recording just gives me chills.

To compare MJ to Freddie or Robert Plant, I just think MJ sang a different genre of music.

Freddie could sing anything, including Opera (i.e. Barcelona).

For me a great singer isn't just about having power and belting out songs though, tone is a big factor for me. MJ might not have been able to belt out like Freddie, but I absolutely love the tone of his voice and he was in fact a very diverse vocalist who could sing different genres of music. He could do a lot with his voice.

But as you said, MJ and Freddie were totally different vocalists, it's hard to compare them. Just as it would be hard to compare say Freddie to Sam Cooke. Totally different types of singers but all great in their own right.

I would imagine Freddie was probably a more versatile singer than Robert Plant. But as far as rock, I just think it comes down to preference. Like with "Babe I'm gonna leave you," it starts acoustic with Plant singing pretty mellow then... all hell breaks loose!

I think Robert Plant has show some diversity, working with Alison Kraus.

For me though as a rock band... get the Led out all the way. Queen was a great band, and Freddy was a great frontman and vocalist. It's so hard to compare..great to great, that's true. They're both great.

MJ... is just think his voice was great, too. I can't imagine him singing Bohemian Rhapsody, We are the Champions, ( I can see him singing "Another one bites the dust," however," or Stairway to Heaven, but then again, I can't imagine Plant or Mercury singing Thriller either.

I would they all could cross over, but I think their greatest impact was in their specific genres.

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MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

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Stevie Wonder, Luther Vandross or BeBe Winans would be my choices for best male vocalist.

I gotta check out Freddie Mercury & Queen's work.... I've always liked the Queens songs that I do know of. Adds Todd Rundgren and Jeff Buckley to the list as well.

Prince is cited by MANY as a vocal inspiration in the world of R&B. But most of yall listen to disco music so you probably don't know that.

Michael Jackson, the King of Corny Sap I'll watch those vids later.

PlayboyOriginal said:

Stevie Wonder, Luther Vandross or BeBe Winans would be my choices for best male vocalist.

I gotta check out Freddie Mercury & Queen's work.... I've always liked the Queens songs that I do know of. Adds Todd Rundgren and Jeff Buckley to the list as well.

Prince is cited by MANY as a vocal inspiration in the world of R&B. But most of yall listen to disco music so you probably don't know that.

Michael Jackson, the King of Corny Sap I'll watch those vids later.

Coming from someone who listens to BeBe Winans?

Love him or hate him, you can't deny Axl Rose is one of the best rock vocalists to emerge in the last 30 years.

Just listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...detailpage

Graycap23 said:

No such thing as "best" ever.

Just a matter of taste.

the best

my favorite

sure he was great, but i like prince better.

unique said:

but asides from personal taste prince is technically a great vocalist in both the studio and on stage

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PlayboyOriginal said:

Prince is cited by MANY as a vocal inspiration in the world of R&B. But most of yall listen to disco music so you probably don't know that.

LOLOL Just as many people who cite Prince as an vocal influence, there are just as many who cite MJ one as well. Big deal. What is this supposed to mean in deciding who's the best vocalist ever? Many cite Bob Dylan as an influence vocally? Does this make him better than MJ, Freddie, or Prince? No.

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This logic is beyond stupid. Your accomplishments and talents aren't just void, because of drugs or lip synching.

Unholyalliance said:

unique said:

but asides from personal taste prince is technically a great vocalist in both the studio and on stage

LOLOL Just as many people who cite Prince as an vocal influence, there are just as many who cite MJ one as well. Big deal. What is this supposed to mean in deciding who's the best vocalist ever? Many cite Bob Dylan as an influence vocally? Does this make him better than MJ, Freddie, or Prince? No.

unique said:

whatever excuse you want to summise, the end of the matter is that a great vocalist wouldn't mime. and you can't consider someone as being a greater singer if they were too lazy, fucked up on drugs or whatever to be able to sing 15 or so songs during a bloody pop concert

This logic is beyond stupid. Your accomplishments and talents aren't just void, because of drugs or lip synching.

the main difference between those influenced by prince and MJ is prince influenced great singers like d'angelo and bilal and MJ influenced shit like chris brown and peter andre that want to prance about in videos and use autotune

and if drugs didn't fuck up MJ's career, what the fuck did it do to amy winehouses?

the whole laziness excuse is ridiculous as to why he mimed on stage. if he was going to be lazy he would have stood and sang instead of danced. the simple reason he didn't sing is because he couldn't pull it off. after getting away with a third of the show in his second solo tour he pulled the trick for almost all of his following tour. no great singer would choose dancing and miming over singing. you can't sing well when you are fucked on drugs, as amy winehouses last gig demonstrates

perhaps if you spent more time following music that dicking about with stupid pictures from 4chan you would understand the topic

unique said:

Unholyalliance said:

This logic is beyond stupid. Your accomplishments and talents aren't just void, because of drugs or lip synching.

the main difference between those influenced by prince and MJ is prince influenced great singers like d'angelo and bilal and MJ influenced shit like chris brown and peter andre that want to prance about in videos and use autotune

What about Janelle Monae?

And that's an unfair comparison because Michael's influence was less musical and more performance wise.

smoothcriminal12 said:

unique said:

the main difference between those influenced by prince and MJ is prince influenced great singers like d'angelo and bilal and MJ influenced shit like chris brown and peter andre that want to prance about in videos and use autotune

What about Janelle Monae?

And that's an unfair comparison because Michael's influence was less musical and more performance wise.

well you said it and not me

this thread is about "best male vocalist ever" and it's vocal we are talking about

you are right. MJ spent too much time dicking about with everything bar the music in his shows. fucking magic and wolf masks. who the fuck wants to see that shit. just shut the fuck up, stand still and sing your fucking songs. that's what people paid money to hear. not a fucking tape. what's the point of having a live band if the vocals are prerecorded?

look at the people inspired by that shit, britney spears and shit. MJ paved the way for shit like that

unique said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

What about Janelle Monae?

And that's an unfair comparison because Michael's influence was less musical and more performance wise.

well you said it and not me

this thread is about "best male vocalist ever" and it's vocal we are talking about

you are right. MJ spent too much time dicking about with everything bar the music in his shows. fucking magic and wolf masks. who the fuck wants to see that shit. just shut the fuck up, stand still and sing your fucking songs. that's what people paid money to hear. not a fucking tape. what's the point of having a live band if the vocals are prerecorded?

look at the people inspired by that shit, britney spears and shit. MJ paved the way for shit like that

Michael is not responsible for the crappiness of the aforementioned artists. What they do after they are inspired by him is solely their decision.