Actually, I didn't write the word as a "racial slur", "[Racial slur snip - luv4u] shows" were also "minstrel shows" a long time ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...strel_show

SeventeenDayze said:

Actually, I didn't write the word as a "racial slur", "[Racial slur snip - luv4u] shows" were also "minstrel shows" a long time ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...strel_show

"Minstrel shows lampooned black people as ignorant, lazy, buffoonish, superstitious, joyous, and musical.

Blackface minstrelsy was the first distinctly American theatrical form. In the 1830s and 1840s, it was at the core of the rise of an American music industry, and for several decades it provided the lens through which white America saw black America. On the one hand, it had strong racist aspects; on the other, it afforded white Americans a singular and broad awareness of significant aspects of black-American culture.^[2][3]

Although the minstrel shows were extremely popular, being "consistently packed with families from all walks of life and every ethnic group",^[4] they were also controversial. Racial integrationists decried them as falsely showing happy slaves while at the same time making fun of them; segregationists thought such shows were "disrespectful" of social norms, portrayed runaway slaves with sympathy and would undermine the southerners' "peculiar institution".^[5]"

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I don't really care though.

Moving on.

smoothcriminal12 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Actually, I didn't write the word as a "racial slur", "[Racial slur snip - luv4u] shows" were also "minstrel shows" a long time ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...strel_show

"Minstrel shows lampooned black people as ignorant, lazy, buffoonish, superstitious, joyous, and musical.

Blackface minstrelsy was the first distinctly American theatrical form. In the 1830s and 1840s, it was at the core of the rise of an American music industry, and for several decades it provided the lens through which white America saw black America. On the one hand, it had strong racist aspects; on the other, it afforded white Americans a singular and broad awareness of significant aspects of black-American culture.^[2][3]

Although the minstrel shows were extremely popular, being "consistently packed with families from all walks of life and every ethnic group",^[4] they were also controversial. Racial integrationists decried them as falsely showing happy slaves while at the same time making fun of them; segregationists thought such shows were "disrespectful" of social norms, portrayed runaway slaves with sympathy and would undermine the southerners' "peculiar institution".^[5]"

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I don't really care though.

Moving on.

It proves my point, basically Bieber is "exaggerating" this pseudo-blackness so that it can appeal to a broader/white audience. It's not as threatening for parents to see their kids listen to JB compared to say Lil Wayne or Usher. He's non-threatening but is trying to be "tough enough" to have that suburban mystique that many pop idols only have a short time (i.e. Justin T, Britney, Pink and Robyn S.)

SeventeenDayze said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

"Minstrel shows lampooned black people as ignorant, lazy, buffoonish, superstitious, joyous, and musical.

Blackface minstrelsy was the first distinctly American theatrical form. In the 1830s and 1840s, it was at the core of the rise of an American music industry, and for several decades it provided the lens through which white America saw black America. On the one hand, it had strong racist aspects; on the other, it afforded white Americans a singular and broad awareness of significant aspects of black-American culture.^[2][3]

Although the minstrel shows were extremely popular, being "consistently packed with families from all walks of life and every ethnic group",^[4] they were also controversial. Racial integrationists decried them as falsely showing happy slaves while at the same time making fun of them; segregationists thought such shows were "disrespectful" of social norms, portrayed runaway slaves with sympathy and would undermine the southerners' "peculiar institution".^[5]"

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I don't really care though.

Moving on.

It proves my point, basically Bieber is "exaggerating" this pseudo-blackness so that it can appeal to a broader/white audience. It's not as threatening for parents to see their kids listen to JB compared to say Lil Wayne or Usher. He's non-threatening but is trying to be "tough enough" to have that suburban mystique that many pop idols only have a short time (i.e. Justin T, Britney, Pink and Robyn S.)

Well you could've said that. I completely agree.

smoothcriminal12 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

It proves my point, basically Bieber is "exaggerating" this pseudo-blackness so that it can appeal to a broader/white audience. It's not as threatening for parents to see their kids listen to JB compared to say Lil Wayne or Usher. He's non-threatening but is trying to be "tough enough" to have that suburban mystique that many pop idols only have a short time (i.e. Justin T, Britney, Pink and Robyn S.)

Well you could've said that. I completely agree.

True Sorry, I didn't mean anything bad by it. I just used a historical term in a way that could be seen as a slur.

SeventeenDayze said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

"Minstrel shows lampooned black people as ignorant, lazy, buffoonish, superstitious, joyous, and musical.

Blackface minstrelsy was the first distinctly American theatrical form. In the 1830s and 1840s, it was at the core of the rise of an American music industry, and for several decades it provided the lens through which white America saw black America. On the one hand, it had strong racist aspects; on the other, it afforded white Americans a singular and broad awareness of significant aspects of black-American culture.^[2][3]

Although the minstrel shows were extremely popular, being "consistently packed with families from all walks of life and every ethnic group",^[4] they were also controversial. Racial integrationists decried them as falsely showing happy slaves while at the same time making fun of them; segregationists thought such shows were "disrespectful" of social norms, portrayed runaway slaves with sympathy and would undermine the southerners' "peculiar institution".^[5]"

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I don't really care though.

Moving on.

It proves my point, basically Bieber is "exaggerating" this pseudo-blackness so that it can appeal to a broader/white audience. It's not as threatening for parents to see their kids listen to JB compared to say Lil Wayne or Usher. He's non-threatening but is trying to be "tough enough" to have that suburban mystique that many pop idols only have a short time (i.e. Justin T, Britney, Pink and Robyn S.)

usher is threatening? since when?

[Edited 8/7/11 19:07pm]

SeventeenDayze said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

"Minstrel shows lampooned black people as ignorant, lazy, buffoonish, superstitious, joyous, and musical.

Blackface minstrelsy was the first distinctly American theatrical form. In the 1830s and 1840s, it was at the core of the rise of an American music industry, and for several decades it provided the lens through which white America saw black America. On the one hand, it had strong racist aspects; on the other, it afforded white Americans a singular and broad awareness of significant aspects of black-American culture.^[2][3]

Although the minstrel shows were extremely popular, being "consistently packed with families from all walks of life and every ethnic group",^[4] they were also controversial. Racial integrationists decried them as falsely showing happy slaves while at the same time making fun of them; segregationists thought such shows were "disrespectful" of social norms, portrayed runaway slaves with sympathy and would undermine the southerners' "peculiar institution".^[5]"

...

I don't really care though.

Moving on.

It proves my point, basically Bieber is "exaggerating" this pseudo-blackness so that it can appeal to a broader/white audience. It's not as threatening for parents to see their kids listen to JB compared to say Lil Wayne or Usher. He's non-threatening but is trying to be "tough enough" to have that suburban mystique that many pop idols only have a short time (i.e. Justin T, Britney, Pink and Robyn S.)

Yeah but he's trying. He wants to work with lil wayne and all. He wants to be taken seriously.

But , I don't see that happening.

Mdizzles said:

SeventeenDayze said:

It proves my point, basically Bieber is "exaggerating" this pseudo-blackness so that it can appeal to a broader/white audience. It's not as threatening for parents to see their kids listen to JB compared to say Lil Wayne or Usher. He's non-threatening but is trying to be "tough enough" to have that suburban mystique that many pop idols only have a short time (i.e. Justin T, Britney, Pink and Robyn S.)

usher is threatening? since when?

[Edited 8/7/11 19:07pm]

Hey Dizzles, well yeah Usher has really changed his imagine to more pop and less R&B, so point taken

paniuroczy said:

SeventeenDayze said:

It proves my point, basically Bieber is "exaggerating" this pseudo-blackness so that it can appeal to a broader/white audience. It's not as threatening for parents to see their kids listen to JB compared to say Lil Wayne or Usher. He's non-threatening but is trying to be "tough enough" to have that suburban mystique that many pop idols only have a short time (i.e. Justin T, Britney, Pink and Robyn S.)

Yeah but he's trying. He wants to work with lil wayne and all. He wants to be taken seriously.

But , I don't see that happening.

Agreed Pani, also, is it me or does JB look real angry all the time? It seems like he doesn't smile anymore or something. I dunno...

SeventeenDayze said:

paniuroczy said:

Yeah but he's trying. He wants to work with lil wayne and all. He wants to be taken seriously.

But , I don't see that happening.

Agreed Pani, also, is it me or does JB look real angry all the time? It seems like he doesn't smile anymore or something. I dunno...

He seems really stuck up and arrogant now. He seems fake. I mean before, he seemed like a happy kid with sucky music and I was happy for him even though his music made my ears bleed. Now he's just annoying and I don't care for him at all. He seems like a brat. I've heard that his parents are fed up with him at this point bc my friend told me that his dad tweeted something like 'soon we'll be so small he won't even see us'.. something like that, unfollowed justin. And then he deleted the tweet and refollowed him because people started being dramatic about it.

...my best friends a belieber .

paniuroczy said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Agreed Pani, also, is it me or does JB look real angry all the time? It seems like he doesn't smile anymore or something. I dunno...

He seems really stuck up and arrogant now. He seems fake. I mean before, he seemed like a happy kid with sucky music and I was happy for him even though his music made my ears bleed. Now he's just annoying and I don't care for him at all. He seems like a brat. I've heard that his parents are fed up with him at this point bc my friend told me that his dad tweeted something like 'soon we'll be so small he won't even see us'.. something like that, unfollowed justin. And then he deleted the tweet and refollowed him because people started being dramatic about it.

...my best friends a belieber .

Oh wow, I didn't realize all that went down. I really find Twitter to be a marvelous train wreck. I don't have it and pray to the Almighty that I never get one. It seems like maybe he's getting "too big for his britches" (I grew up in the South, forgive me). Yeah, he does seem quite arrogant but I hope he has a lot of business ideas in his head because he'll need them. I can see it now, an interview on Access Hollywood in 2021, "Next on 'Where are they Now'...Justin Bieber!!!!"

He should just put himself out to pasture and become a producer or director and fly under the radar, make good use of his money and "sit down somewhere" (as my grandma would say!)

SeventeenDayze said:

paniuroczy said:

He seems really stuck up and arrogant now. He seems fake. I mean before, he seemed like a happy kid with sucky music and I was happy for him even though his music made my ears bleed. Now he's just annoying and I don't care for him at all. He seems like a brat. I've heard that his parents are fed up with him at this point bc my friend told me that his dad tweeted something like 'soon we'll be so small he won't even see us'.. something like that, unfollowed justin. And then he deleted the tweet and refollowed him because people started being dramatic about it.

...my best friends a belieber .

Oh wow, I didn't realize all that went down. I really find Twitter to be a marvelous train wreck. I don't have it and pray to the Almighty that I never get one. It seems like maybe he's getting "too big for his britches" (I grew up in the South, forgive me). Yeah, he does seem quite arrogant but I hope he has a lot of business ideas in his head because he'll need them. I can see it now, an interview on Access Hollywood in 2021, "Next on 'Where are they Now'...Justin Bieber!!!!"

He should just put himself out to pasture and become a producer or director and fly under the radar, make good use of his money and "sit down somewhere" (as my grandma would say!)

like so many others in the business he's probably got too many enablers... but its alright... if he fucks up that just means Selena Gomez will need a shoulder to cry on. lol. i keeeeed but not really.