getxxxx said:

anyone can be Platinum via Shipping, but the truth is she hasn't sold Platinum i've seen tons sitting on the shelves at Target, Walmart and Best Buy awaiting that window to return to Sony.

Yes, units not sold are returned to the labels for credit.

Identity said:

getxxxx said:

anyone can be Platinum via Shipping, but the truth is she hasn't sold Platinum i've seen tons sitting on the shelves at Target, Walmart and Best Buy awaiting that window to return to Sony.

Yes, units not sold are returned to the labels for credit.

Exactly. That's why I'm not surprised that it was certified the way it was. It's not hard to figure that out.

1M copies were sent to distributors, but only 500K have actually been purchased by the general public. She will be platinum when Soundscan announces it. Certifications are worthless.

Worthless? Tell that to the albums released pre-Soundscan.

Entertainer said:

Well not every artist gets 1mil shipped. There is something called estimated demand, how big an artist is and what industry folks expect it to sell. This is where the 1mil comes in and the 3mil for Gaga comes in and the 1mil for Britney who has sold less than 600k after 4mths.

I suspect there will be lots of gaga cds on US shelves. Beyonce will sell 1mil but it won't come easy. Don't see her doing close to 2mil in the US which would be a big decline seeing that IASF sold 3mil in the US but that's to be expected with 1 crappy first single and a snoozefest for a 2nd single.

Femme Fatale was cert plat a month after release, fyi.

The RIAA, not Soundscan, decides who's platinum. The album shipped a million copies, Sony paid for the certification. She's platinum. Soundscan has zilch to do with anything.

chamber said:

The RIAA, not Soundscan, decides who's platinum. The album shipped a million copies, Sony paid for the certification. She's platinum. Soundscan has zilch to do with anything.

Yeah and the RIAA is usually what MOST folks still go by. They don't care about that Soundscan shit.

chamber said:

The RIAA, not Soundscan, decides who's platinum. The album shipped a million copies, Sony paid for the certification. She's platinum. Soundscan has zilch to do with anything.

Didn't I say that earlier? Basically, she's platinum on paper only because Sony shipped 1 M units to distributiors. Meanwhile, CDS are left unsold on shelves and in inventory. Those unsold CDs will be returned to the record company for credit. This rule applies to all artists.

Timmy84 said:

chamber said:

The RIAA, not Soundscan, decides who's platinum. The album shipped a million copies, Sony paid for the certification. She's platinum. Soundscan has zilch to do with anything.

Yeah and the RIAA is usually what MOST folks still go by. They don't care about that Soundscan shit.

Really, then why does everyone wait for new sales numbers to be announced every Wed in Billboard? Again, units shipped does not equal sales. In pre-Soundscan years it was easy to manipulate the data, but not any longer.

Spinlight said:

Entertainer said:

Well not every artist gets 1mil shipped. There is something called estimated demand, how big an artist is and what industry folks expect it to sell. This is where the 1mil comes in and the 3mil for Gaga comes in and the 1mil for Britney who has sold less than 600k after 4mths.

I suspect there will be lots of gaga cds on US shelves. Beyonce will sell 1mil but it won't come easy. Don't see her doing close to 2mil in the US which would be a big decline seeing that IASF sold 3mil in the US but that's to be expected with 1 crappy first single and a snoozefest for a 2nd single.

Femme Fatale was cert plat a month after release, fyi.

I know Femme Fatale was certified platinum that was my point, that it was certified platinum at around 520k sales similar to Beyonce's '4' without actually scanning 1mil copies as was jennifer hudson's 'I remember me' getting a gold certification at 330k or so without actually selling 500k where it remains with sales around 380k to date.

Identity said:

chamber said:

The RIAA, not Soundscan, decides who's platinum. The album shipped a million copies, Sony paid for the certification. She's platinum. Soundscan has zilch to do with anything.

Didn't I say that earlier? Basically, she's platinum on paper only because Sony shipped 1 M units to distributiors. Meanwhile, CDS are left unsold on shelves and in inventory. Those unsold CDs will be returned to the record company for credit. This rule applies to all artists.

Her camp is just trying to make it seem like everything's OK in BeyonceLand...despite the fact that her new CD hasn't generated a hit single yet Watch her go on tour and the tickets don't sell.They'll be trying to spin that situation,too.

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Identity said:

chamber said:

The RIAA, not Soundscan, decides who's platinum. The album shipped a million copies, Sony paid for the certification. She's platinum. Soundscan has zilch to do with anything.

Didn't I say that earlier? Basically, she's platinum on paper only because Sony shipped 1 M units to distributiors. Meanwhile, CDS are left unsold on shelves and in inventory. Those unsold CDs will be returned to the record company for credit. This rule applies to all artists.

This is fundamentally true but '4' will scan 1mil copies in the US, anything else above that is questionable at best.

MidniteMagnet said:

RKJCNE said:

I've never really understood how you can go platinum for shipping out a million copies, shouldn't you have to sell them? I'm sure target will have tens of thousands on their shelves for awhile.

Meanwhile the album is great

Yeah, I never understood that either. What if you ship 1 million units and 5 copies sell? That means you're platinum??

Shipped copies are all that is ever counted, in terms of gold, platinum, etc. The sale is from the record company to the RETAILER. Sales to the CONSUMER are completely impossible to accurately count (too many retailers/outlets), but the charts are a decent indicator of what's moving out the door and what's not.

Entertainer said:

This is fundamentally true but '4' will scan 1mil copies in the US, anything else above that is questionable at best.

Indeed, she will eventually scan one million units, or reach that point in digital downloads. But it hasn't happened yet. Based on the data released by Soundscan, she's at 551K.

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Identity said:

Entertainer said:

This is fundamentally true but '4' will scan 1mil copies in the US, anything else above that is questionable at best.

Indeed, she will eventually scan one million units, or reach that point in digital downloads. But hasn't happened yet. Based on the data released by Soundscan figures, she's at 551K.

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Basically

I dunno why people just simply cant face the facts when it comes down to this overrated chick. Aint nobody out to bash her.. she hasnt sold that many copies yet despite what the media is saying and its as simple as that.. Its QUITE OBVIOUS that she hasnt.

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mjscarousal said:

Identity said:

Indeed, she will eventually scan one million units, or reach that point in digital downloads. But hasn't happened yet. Based on the data released by Soundscan figures, she's at 551K.

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Basically

I dunno why people just simply cant face the facts when it comes down to this overrated chick. Aint nobody out to bash her.. she hasnt sold that many copies yet despite what the media is saying and its as simple as that.. Its QUITE OBVIOUS that she hasnt.

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I concur. the facts are , '4' has been certified platinum by the RIAA but it has scanned todate in the US around 552k. this isn't unusal as many labels have done this in the past. What is unusual is for Beyonce who has been slaying for several concurrent years is that these numbers aren't great.

IASF debuted with over 500k cds sold first week albeit it was in the 4thquarter, holiday season and had a hit. '4' hasn't produced any hits year and it is floundering. IASF sold 2.95mil copies in the US and'4' won't do 1/2 of that. The label knows this as does her people hence the facade that everything is going great. She's done alot of promo in the US and the sales are still dropping.

Look at Adele, stable, high sales with minimum promo, no pu*sy popping and 1 hit. there aren't any major crossover songs on the single, end of time may do something but i wouldn't bet on it.

Britney sales are similar but the difference is that 'femme fatale' has produced a #1 hit, and 2 other top 10 songs and has slayed on Itunes. Beyonce's 'Run the world' has only sold 500k digital copies and 'Best thing i never had' has only sold around 360k or so. big difference. Of course, Beyonce will tell you that she didn't make this album for hits but that's a pinocchio if I ever heard one!

chamber said:

People are acting brand new, simply because this is Beyonce.

It was never a requirement for an artist's album to sell a million in order to be certified for a million. Certifications have *always* been based on shipments - per rules set up by the RIAA themselves. It's funny to me when people act as though the artist and label are being shady by applying for certifications, based on the demand they receive from retailers nationwide. Fact is that record stores across the country ordered (bought) a million copies of her album -- and Sony had to press a million copies per the request. Sony is making a profit from '4', even if the general public hasn't snapped up a million copies of it yet. There's nothing duplicatious or manipulative about it. Her album is platinum, period.

Well this is actually news to me. I'd always wondered if there was a difference between calculating units shipped to stores vs. units actually sold. The idustry may go by the RIAA's numbers, but I'm more interested in the # of units sold, not shipped to stores.

Entertainer said:

mjscarousal said:

Basically

I dunno why people just simply cant face the facts when it comes down to this overrated chick. Aint nobody out to bash her.. she hasnt sold that many copies yet despite what the media is saying and its as simple as that.. Its QUITE OBVIOUS that she hasnt.

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I concur. the facts are , '4' has been certified platinum by the RIAA but it has scanned todate in the US around 552k. this isn't unusal as many labels have done this in the past. What is unusual is for Beyonce who has been slaying for several concurrent years is that these numbers aren't great.

IASF debuted with over 500k cds sold first week albeit it was in the 4thquarter, holiday season and had a hit. '4' hasn't produced any hits year and it is floundering. IASF sold 2.95mil copies in the US and'4' won't do 1/2 of that. The label knows this as does her people hence the facade that everything is going great. She's done alot of promo in the US and the sales are still dropping.

Look at Adele, stable, high sales with minimum promo, no pu*sy popping and 1 hit. there aren't any major crossover songs on the single, end of time may do something but i wouldn't bet on it.

Britney sales are similar but the difference is that 'femme fatale' has produced a #1 hit, and 2 other top 10 songs and has slayed on Itunes. Beyonce's 'Run the world' has only sold 500k digital copies and 'Best thing i never had' has only sold around 360k or so. big difference. Of course, Beyonce will tell you that she didn't make this album for hits but that's a pinocchio if I ever heard one!

THOSE ARE THE FACTS PERIOD:lol:

And I never take in or pay attention to anything Beyonce says. She is a fake whine up doll and talks alot of bullshit for her fans and the media. There is nothing geniune or sincere about her and like with everything she does she only cares about accolades and hits because if she didnt she would have not let that catastrophe WRTW be the first single

Its funny how someone like Adele, a underground singer who has finally reached commercial success with this album, didnt have NEARLY the amount of promo and marketing for her album, no big major performances, no dressing half naked or popping her ass and pussy, no making generic music for hits BUT YET has still manage to sale over 8 million copies am I correct on this? Like that is just unheard of especially in this point of time in the industry. Thats like an American Dream and really amazing. I am SO happy for her and she deserves all her success. A non mainstream artist who releases her second album and becomes a commercial success.... amazing

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mjscarousal said:

Entertainer said:

I concur. the facts are , '4' has been certified platinum by the RIAA but it has scanned todate in the US around 552k. this isn't unusal as many labels have done this in the past. What is unusual is for Beyonce who has been slaying for several concurrent years is that these numbers aren't great.

IASF debuted with over 500k cds sold first week albeit it was in the 4thquarter, holiday season and had a hit. '4' hasn't produced any hits year and it is floundering. IASF sold 2.95mil copies in the US and'4' won't do 1/2 of that. The label knows this as does her people hence the facade that everything is going great. She's done alot of promo in the US and the sales are still dropping.

Look at Adele, stable, high sales with minimum promo, no pu*sy popping and 1 hit. there aren't any major crossover songs on the single, end of time may do something but i wouldn't bet on it.

Britney sales are similar but the difference is that 'femme fatale' has produced a #1 hit, and 2 other top 10 songs and has slayed on Itunes. Beyonce's 'Run the world' has only sold 500k digital copies and 'Best thing i never had' has only sold around 360k or so. big difference. Of course, Beyonce will tell you that she didn't make this album for hits but that's a pinocchio if I ever heard one!

THOSE ARE THE FACTS PERIOD:lol:

And I never take in or pay attention to anything Beyonce says. She is a fake whine up doll and talks alot of bullshit for her fans and the media. There is nothing geniune or sincere about her and like with everything she does she only cares about accolades and hits because if she didnt she would have not let that catastrophe WRTW be the first single

Its funny how someone like Adele, a underground singer who has finally reached commercial success with this album, didnt have NEARLY the amount of promo and marketing for her album, no big major performances, no dressing half naked or popping her ass and pussy, no making generic music for hits BUT YET has still manage to sale over 8 million copies am I correct on this? Like that is just unheard of especially in this point of time in the industry. Thats like an American Dream and really amazing. I am SO happy for her and she deserves all her success. A non mainstream artist who releases her second album and becomes a commercial success.... amazing

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You are correct, Adele is looking at 8mil cds sold worldwide approximately and still going. She has slayed and will continue to slay. I expect her to clean up at the Grammies with Album and Record of the year noms. I suspect Beyonce will be relegated to R&b noms now that papa Knowles is out of the pic but there are other girls with decent to strong albums in that category:

Jill Scott

ledisi

marsha Ambrosius

Jennifer Hudson

and now that NARAS has added the men in with the women for R&B categories, there will be some men in the mix although I scratch my head to think who made an impact this year.

Adele is closing in on 3mil cds sold in the US and at least that amount in the UK. She could end up with 5mil sold or close to that in the US when all is said and done moving into award season.

If beyonce didn't care about singles smashing and acclaim she wouldn't have sunk so much money into 'Run the world' video, held it back, shot more scenes, re-edit then release and perform it on Oprah/BB awards.. She thought like her other silly, uptempos that it would smash and it didn't! we will see today what her cd predictions for sales this week are, whether the cd will stablilize or continue it's decline.

I'm betting it will continue to decline and Adele will be above her.

Entertainer said:

mjscarousal said:

THOSE ARE THE FACTS PERIOD:lol:

And I never take in or pay attention to anything Beyonce says. She is a fake whine up doll and talks alot of bullshit for her fans and the media. There is nothing geniune or sincere about her and like with everything she does she only cares about accolades and hits because if she didnt she would have not let that catastrophe WRTW be the first single

Its funny how someone like Adele, a underground singer who has finally reached commercial success with this album, didnt have NEARLY the amount of promo and marketing for her album, no big major performances, no dressing half naked or popping her ass and pussy, no making generic music for hits BUT YET has still manage to sale over 8 million copies am I correct on this? Like that is just unheard of especially in this point of time in the industry. Thats like an American Dream and really amazing. I am SO happy for her and she deserves all her success. A non mainstream artist who releases her second album and becomes a commercial success.... amazing

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You are correct, Adele is looking at 8mil cds sold worldwide approximately and still going.

Actually, it's 9 mill now .

I really like this album

Comparing Beyonce to Adele is silly on multiple levels.

Beyonce has been on the commercial music scene since 1997 and is on her 4th album (not counting all those albums she did as Destiny's Child.) Thus far, it's basically been hit after hit for her. She's been on top. She's been the "It" girl. She's commanded the music scene. She's seen songs become big hits on the strength of her name alone. Eventually every established hit maker has THAT album that is met by the public with a cooler reception than their previous releases were. For it to have taken *this* long for it to happen to Beyonce does nothing to hinder her star power. At this point she can have an album that under performs without it taking anything away from her name.

In the meantime, for '4' to have had no strong hit single, it leaking to the Internet three weeks before it's street date, standing in contrast to what her peers are doing (while receiving criticism that seems like a deliberate ploy to sabotage the project), and to still managed to sell as well as it is impressive. It means that there is a lot of good will out there for Beyonce, and that her fan base is strong and resilient. Take a look at what Nelly's, Jennifer Lopez's, Lil Wayne's and Christina Aguilera's latest albums have done (the former two's albums featured high charting lead-off singles, and yet still saw #'s much poorer than '4.') So t'hell with having a #1 single. The whole point of singles are to entice people to buy the *album*. If an artist's album can attain healthy sales without hit singles, then that becomes irrelevant. It's just funny to me that, after nearly 15 years of pop stardom, some people are still trying to write Beyonce off as some flavor-of-the-month; and are pouncing on any little chink in the armor in an attempt to justify it.

Beyonce has long proven herself as a mainstay. Adele hasn't.

Adele is simply the latest fad, who only just caught on with one album (her debut album wasn't commercially embraced when it was being promoted.) Every other year or so, the pop music world almost randomly chooses some serious, dowdy, decidedly non-glamorous underdog to rally behind in amongst the more eye popping acts, in an attempt feel less shallow at the moment. As of now Adele is just another Joan Osborne/Paula Cole/Norah Jones/Amy Winehouse/Susan Boyle-type, who the industry decided to play Cinderella with. '21' may be outshining the competition this year, but let's see if five years and three albums later she's still being half as embraced as she is in 2011.

So using Adele's success to try and undercut and/or snicker about Beyonce not being as hot is apples and oranges.

chamber said:

Comparing Beyonce to Adele is silly on multiple levels.

Beyonce has been on the commercial music scene since 1997 and is on her 4th album (not counting all those albums she did as Destiny's Child.) Thus far, it's basically been hit after hit for her. She's been on top. She's been the "It" girl. She's commanded the music scene. She's seen songs become big hits on the strength of her name alone. Eventually every established hit maker has THAT album that is met by the public with a cooler reception than their previous releases were. For it to have taken *this* long for it to happen to Beyonce does nothing to hinder her star power. At this point she can have an album that under performs without it taking anything away from her name.

In the meantime, for '4' to have had no strong hit single, it leaking to the Internet three weeks before it's street date, standing in contrast to what her peers are doing (while receiving criticism that seems like a deliberate ploy to sabotage the project), and to still managed to sell as well as it is impressive. It means that there is a lot of good will out there for Beyonce, and that her fan base is strong and resilient. Take a look at what Nelly's, Jennifer Lopez's, Lil Wayne's and Christina Aguilera's latest albums have done (the former two's albums featured high charting lead-off singles, and yet still saw #'s much poorer than '4.') So t'hell with having a #1 single. The whole point of singles are to entice people to buy the *album*. If an artist's album can attain healthy sales without hit singles, then that becomes irrelevant. It's just funny to me that, after nearly 15 years of pop stardom, some people are still trying to write Beyonce off as some flavor-of-the-month; and are pouncing on any little chink in the armor in an attempt to justify it.

Beyonce has long proven herself as a mainstay. Adele hasn't.

Adele is simply the latest fad, who only just caught on with one album (her debut album wasn't commercially embraced when it was being promoted.) Every other year or so, the pop music world almost randomly chooses some serious, dowdy, decidedly non-glamorous underdog to rally behind in amongst the more eye popping acts, in an attempt feel less shallow at the moment. As of now Adele is just another Joan Osborne/Paula Cole/Norah Jones/Amy Winehouse/Susan Boyle-type, who the industry decided to play Cinderella with. '21' may be outshining the competition this year, but let's see if five years and three albums later she's still being half as embraced as she is in 2011.

So using Adele's success to try and undercut and/or snicker about Beyonce not being as hot is apples and oranges.

Thats not the point Beyawce stan.

Adele is technically MORE artistically/vocally talented and makes BETTER music than Beyonce ENTIRE catalogue. It is refreshing to see someone receive success who EXACTLY deserves it... that is all. Have a good day.

mjscarousal said:

chamber said:

Comparing Beyonce to Adele is silly on multiple levels.

Beyonce has been on the commercial music scene since 1997 and is on her 4th album (not counting all those albums she did as Destiny's Child.) Thus far, it's basically been hit after hit for her. She's been on top. She's been the "It" girl. She's commanded the music scene. She's seen songs become big hits on the strength of her name alone. Eventually every established hit maker has THAT album that is met by the public with a cooler reception than their previous releases were. For it to have taken *this* long for it to happen to Beyonce does nothing to hinder her star power. At this point she can have an album that under performs without it taking anything away from her name.

In the meantime, for '4' to have had no strong hit single, it leaking to the Internet three weeks before it's street date, standing in contrast to what her peers are doing (while receiving criticism that seems like a deliberate ploy to sabotage the project), and to still managed to sell as well as it is impressive. It means that there is a lot of good will out there for Beyonce, and that her fan base is strong and resilient. Take a look at what Nelly's, Jennifer Lopez's, Lil Wayne's and Christina Aguilera's latest albums have done (the former two's albums featured high charting lead-off singles, and yet still saw #'s much poorer than '4.') So t'hell with having a #1 single. The whole point of singles are to entice people to buy the *album*. If an artist's album can attain healthy sales without hit singles, then that becomes irrelevant. It's just funny to me that, after nearly 15 years of pop stardom, some people are still trying to write Beyonce off as some flavor-of-the-month; and are pouncing on any little chink in the armor in an attempt to justify it.

Beyonce has long proven herself as a mainstay. Adele hasn't.

Adele is simply the latest fad, who only just caught on with one album (her debut album wasn't commercially embraced when it was being promoted.) Every other year or so, the pop music world almost randomly chooses some serious, dowdy, decidedly non-glamorous underdog to rally behind in amongst the more eye popping acts, in an attempt feel less shallow at the moment. As of now Adele is just another Joan Osborne/Paula Cole/Norah Jones/Amy Winehouse/Susan Boyle-type, who the industry decided to play Cinderella with. '21' may be outshining the competition this year, but let's see if five years and three albums later she's still being half as embraced as she is in 2011.

So using Adele's success to try and undercut and/or snicker about Beyonce not being as hot is apples and oranges.

Thats not the point Beyawce stan.

Adele is technically MORE artistically/vocally talented and makes BETTER music than Beyonce ENTIRE catalogue. It is refreshing to see someone receive success who EXACTLY deserves it... that is all. Have a good day.

NOTSAY is all smoke and screens.... Adele doesnt need the dancers ... its all bout her voice... and in not an Adele fan myself

chamber said:

Comparing Beyonce to Adele is silly on multiple levels.

Beyonce has been on the commercial music scene since 1997 and is on her 4th album (not counting all those albums she did as Destiny's Child.) Thus far, it's basically been hit after hit for her. She's been on top. She's been the "It" girl. She's commanded the music scene. She's seen songs become big hits on the strength of her name alone. Eventually every established hit maker has THAT album that is met by the public with a cooler reception than their previous releases were. For it to have taken *this* long for it to happen to Beyonce does nothing to hinder her star power. At this point she can have an album that under performs without it taking anything away from her name.

In the meantime, for '4' to have had no strong hit single, it leaking to the Internet three weeks before it's street date, standing in contrast to what her peers are doing (while receiving criticism that seems like a deliberate ploy to sabotage the project), and to still managed to sell as well as it is impressive. It means that there is a lot of good will out there for Beyonce, and that her fan base is strong and resilient. Take a look at what Nelly's, Jennifer Lopez's, Lil Wayne's and Christina Aguilera's latest albums have done (the former two's albums featured high charting lead-off singles, and yet still saw #'s much poorer than '4.') So t'hell with having a #1 single. The whole point of singles are to entice people to buy the *album*. If an artist's album can attain healthy sales without hit singles, then that becomes irrelevant. It's just funny to me that, after nearly 15 years of pop stardom, some people are still trying to write Beyonce off as some flavor-of-the-month; and are pouncing on any little chink in the armor in an attempt to justify it.

Beyonce has long proven herself as a mainstay. Adele hasn't.

Adele is simply the latest fad, who only just caught on with one album (her debut album wasn't commercially embraced when it was being promoted.) Every other year or so, the pop music world almost randomly chooses some serious, dowdy, decidedly non-glamorous underdog to rally behind in amongst the more eye popping acts, in an attempt feel less shallow at the moment. As of now Adele is just another Joan Osborne/Paula Cole/Norah Jones/Amy Winehouse/Susan Boyle-type, who the industry decided to play Cinderella with. '21' may be outshining the competition this year, but let's see if five years and three albums later she's still being half as embraced as she is in 2011.

So using Adele's success to try and undercut and/or snicker about Beyonce not being as hot is apples and oranges.

I accept your premise that it is silly to compare Adele and Beyonce as they are both at different points of their careers.

However, I don't accept your premise that despite having a hit that '4' has sold well and debuted well. What you are failing to disclose is that Beyonce did a ton of promo to huge viewership at highly rated shows i.e Oprah final show, Billboard music awards adn 2 appearances on American Idol. Let's not even talk about promo debut week and magazine covers and discounting. For all of these , she should have sold over 425k first week.

I also think that it is silling to compare her to Xtina Aguilera who had started to fall off from her 3rd cd with declining sales by 1/2 and who had been away for 4years. She also had tons of bad press and illwill from the Gaga comparisons and didn't do half the promo that Beyonce did.

Nelly- I'm not even gonna touch that as that is just silly. He is a rapper.

jennifer Lopez- she had 2 flops before 'Love?' came out so it's just as silly to use her as a comparison. In fact, she was dropped from her label Epic before finding a home at IDJ where 'Love?' was released and if you really want to get into it, Jen did very little promo US side except for the performance on Ai, her weekly judging spot, some interviews and that's about it.

However, she is proving to be a singles artist with a huge hit' on the floor'.

Same with Lil Wayne but again full disclosure, 'I am not a human' was released and charted mostly while Lil wayne was incarcerated and couldn't physically promote. BTW, that cd is approaching 900k units sold so it's had longevity. Why don't you come back and compare Lil Wayne stats at the end of this month when 'The Carter IV' is released?

you can' thave it both ways. you decry the Adele comparison for reasons which I agree with you but then throw out these artists who have nothing in common with Beyonce, rappers!

I believe the point made was that for Beyonce , '4' isn't doing as well as her people would have you to believe and that doesn't take away from your point that at certain points, an artist is bound to have an underperforming cd just don't turn a blind eye to the fact that'4' is indeed underperformin.

By the way, all albums leak, that is just the way it is now. Britney's 'femme fatale' also leaked over 3wks, Gaga leaked, Whitney's leaked, Mariah's leaked, Usher's leaked, kelly's leaked, they all do so don't make it out like it only happened to beyonce.

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mjscarousal said:

chamber said:

Comparing Beyonce to Adele is silly on multiple levels.

Beyonce has been on the commercial music scene since 1997 and is on her 4th album (not counting all those albums she did as Destiny's Child.) Thus far, it's basically been hit after hit for her. She's been on top. She's been the "It" girl. She's commanded the music scene. She's seen songs become big hits on the strength of her name alone. Eventually every established hit maker has THAT album that is met by the public with a cooler reception than their previous releases were. For it to have taken *this* long for it to happen to Beyonce does nothing to hinder her star power. At this point she can have an album that under performs without it taking anything away from her name.

In the meantime, for '4' to have had no strong hit single, it leaking to the Internet three weeks before it's street date, standing in contrast to what her peers are doing (while receiving criticism that seems like a deliberate ploy to sabotage the project), and to still managed to sell as well as it is impressive. It means that there is a lot of good will out there for Beyonce, and that her fan base is strong and resilient. Take a look at what Nelly's, Jennifer Lopez's, Lil Wayne's and Christina Aguilera's latest albums have done (the former two's albums featured high charting lead-off singles, and yet still saw #'s much poorer than '4.') So t'hell with having a #1 single. The whole point of singles are to entice people to buy the *album*. If an artist's album can attain healthy sales without hit singles, then that becomes irrelevant. It's just funny to me that, after nearly 15 years of pop stardom, some people are still trying to write Beyonce off as some flavor-of-the-month; and are pouncing on any little chink in the armor in an attempt to justify it.

Beyonce has long proven herself as a mainstay. Adele hasn't.

Adele is simply the latest fad, who only just caught on with one album (her debut album wasn't commercially embraced when it was being promoted.) Every other year or so, the pop music world almost randomly chooses some serious, dowdy, decidedly non-glamorous underdog to rally behind in amongst the more eye popping acts, in an attempt feel less shallow at the moment. As of now Adele is just another Joan Osborne/Paula Cole/Norah Jones/Amy Winehouse/Susan Boyle-type, who the industry decided to play Cinderella with. '21' may be outshining the competition this year, but let's see if five years and three albums later she's still being half as embraced as she is in 2011.

So using Adele's success to try and undercut and/or snicker about Beyonce not being as hot is apples and oranges.

Thats not the point Beyawce stan.

Adele is technically MORE artistically/vocally talented and makes BETTER music than Beyonce ENTIRE catalogue. It is refreshing to see someone receive success who EXACTLY deserves it... that is all. Have a good day.

First of all, don't call me a stan.

Second of all, your previous post on the matter talked about Adele's album sales and commercial success. THAT was your previous point.It said nothing about who was more "artistically/vocally talented", or who had the better music. So don't try to make this about art and substance now that I called you out on how silly it is to compare the runaway success of a relative newcomer to someone who has had a decade and a half of fame, and already experienced those same accolades.

Yeah, you have a good day..an okay day...a rotten day, a shitty day...get hit by a bus...hell, I don't give a fuck how your day goes, honestly.

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Gee, dude, it's not that serious.

chamber said:

mjscarousal said:

Thats not the point Beyawce stan.

Adele is technically MORE artistically/vocally talented and makes BETTER music than Beyonce ENTIRE catalogue. It is refreshing to see someone receive success who EXACTLY deserves it... that is all. Have a good day.

First of all, don't call me a stan.

Second of all, your previous post on the matter talked about Adele's album sales and commercial success. THAT was your previous point.It said nothing about who was more "artistically/vocally talented", or who had the better music. So don't try to make this about art and substance now that I called you out on how silly it is to compare the runaway success of a relative newcomer to someone who has had a decade and a half of fame, and already experienced those same accolades.

Yeah, you have a good day..an okay day...a rotten day, a shitty day...get hit by a bus...hell, I don't give a fuck how your day goes, honestly.

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Im calling you a stan because you are.... there just aint no way in the world you would have responded as foolishly and childishly as that if you werent. Really uncalled for but if you feel you have to act ignorant to prove a point than so be it.

And how is 8 million copies a runaway success or the fact that if she was a new artist has to do with anything? Sounds like you have some haterism in your game and Adele is not a "new" artist. This is her second album.

Lets just put to the side that Adele is much more talented than Beyonce and has a much better catalogue with JUST 2 albums. Like many have stated going by the fact that Beyonce is a big star, had alot of promo for this C.D. and hype video she should HAVE sold alot more even going by that long essay you wrote. Adele did not receive alot of promo or hype around this album. She did not do BIG appearances or had alot of marketing for this like Beyonce did. Her success is SOLELY on her music which is amazing unlike her other peers Beyonce and Gaga.

Adeles success shows that all that glitter and gold means shit and that QUALITY as well as talent will always stand on its own. This is not about who has the most success. Even if Adele didnt sell 8 million the album is still better than Beyonces and the public agrees lol This is a NEW decade.. get with the program.

What I like about Adele is her cd is selling or sold on good old fashion word of mouth. People heard it, loved it and spread the word. That is why she is killing it week in and week out with 75-100k sales per week in the US with no interviews, one video, no promo to speak of, no high fashion cover shots, no pu*sy popping, clothes on, no 10k dance troupe, no hair blowing by wind machines, no lying telling reporters that she made this cd for critical acclaim and not for chart success, just good old fashion singing, well crafted lyrics and word of mouth.

I look at some of the lyrics on '4' and they are indeed cringeworthy. I wouldn't claim a 'faux' writing credit for many of them.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Entertainer said:

You are correct, Adele is looking at 8mil cds sold worldwide approximately and still going.

Actually, it's 9 mill now .

about a week ago they say 21 just hit the 8 million mark, unless you're including the sales of 19 yes she sold over 9 million this year

Entertainer said:

Spinlight said:

Femme Fatale was cert plat a month after release, fyi.

I know Femme Fatale was certified platinum that was my point, that it was certified platinum at around 520k sales similar to Beyonce's '4' without actually scanning 1mil copies as was jennifer hudson's 'I remember me' getting a gold certification at 330k or so without actually selling 500k where it remains with sales around 380k to date.

Gotcha, I mis-read. Stupid stoner goggles.