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With Spotify, the future of music is here

Critic’s Notebook: With Spotify, the future of music is here

Unlimited access to a huge chunk of the world’s recorded music library (15 million songs and counting) — shareable and searchable — has become reality.

IT’S HERE: Spotify has finally arrived in the U.S.

On a recent afternoon while driving down Beverly Boulevard, I had 15 million songs sitting in the little tray between the driver and passenger seat. If they were on LP or compact disc, the entire assortment — available via the Spotify application I’d installed on my phone earlier in the day — would fill dozens of tractor trailers and weigh thousands of tons. Sitting next to my morning coffee, the collection jiggled as I hit a bump, but the music coming out of my stereo didn’t skip a beat.

Assuming an average of four minutes per song, I figure that’s roughly 114 years of continuous music at my fingertips. It includes music as diverse as baroque composer H.I. Biber, pop star Justin Bieber, Emmett Miller, Ma Rainey, Eminem, Sun Ra, and Tyler, the Creator. It’s more than anyone could possibly want or need to listen to, but that’s not the point. It’s that it’s all there, a millisecond away.

This year might not be remembered for a revolution in pop music — so far the most sonically surprising thing on the charts has been Chris Brown’s “Look at Me Now.” But we’re currently in the middle of something big, a fundamental shift in the ways in which we experience and interact with recorded music. A notion barely fathomable a decade ago — unlimited access to a huge chunk of the world’s recorded music library — has become reality. With this innovation, not only is the entire experience of hearing and learning about music changing, but the ways in which we share our passion is, as well. And if history is any indication, the way in which artists make music will evolve along with it.

With the arrival of Swedish-born, London-based cloud service Spotify on American shores July 14, along with the progress of Google Music, and the impending launch of Apple’s iCloud music service, this year will be remembered as the year in which keeping our own copies of music, be it physically on CDs and LPs, or digitally as MP3s on our hard drives, became a decision, not a necessity, for both casual fans and music obsessives.

No longer do we need to worry about where to store it, nor try to recover it from a fried hard drive, nor even keep it separate from the collections of our friends. We have been nearing this milestone for a while; with a little work, you can listen to virtually any song for free by cobbling together the search results of YouTube, Rhapsody, Mediashare links and Google search results. But Spotify is on everyone’s lips, and for good reason.

What, exactly, is Spotify? It’s an application that offers users access to high quality streams of music from throughout history, one whose catalog includes the holdings of the world’s four largest record companies and an equally monolithic consortium of independent labels. It’s currently available by invitation as an application you can download to your computer, smartphone, or Web-connected home audio system. Once installed, any of these 15 million songs are available for free with a double-click.Don’t feel like enduring advertisements? Pay $4.99 a month and they’re gone, or pay $9.99 a month for premium, which also offers better sound quality.

Organized playlists on Spotify, which has an iTunes-like interface.


It works and looks like an alterna-world version of iTunes, albeit with different font and color scheme. Launch the app and on the left side of the screen is a list of folders, a combination of libraries and playlists. Click on any of them to access lists of music. For example, a folder called “Local files” contains all of the mp3s on your hard drive — basically, your iTunes music. Another folder is your “inbox,” where any one of your followers can send you songs to hear, and vice versa.

The search engine is where the epiphanies arrive; it’s the portal into the 15 million songs. Search on the song “My Favorite Things” and up pops for your immediate gratification the movie soundtrack recording by Julie Andrews, John Coltrane’s post-bop workout, Barbra Streisand’s 2008 version from “Christmas Collection,” and Brad Mehldau’s pensive solo piano interpretation, among others. Hit shuffle and time vanishes, all these melodic, interpretive and sonic ideas delivered from the past into the present. Like a particular song in the database? Click on a star and it places the song, album or artist into an unlimited storage folder called “Favorites.”

This genre/chronological equanimity changes the way we digest music, opens up the gates on finding music not through radio, MTV, print, blogs or iTunes charts, but through curious wandering and searching through the vast, seemingly endless bounty like spelunkers looking for cave paintings.

Spotify co-founder Daniel Ek said this week that his plan is to expand the company’s library to contain not just western music, but everything. “Our goal is to have all the world's music — all the African music, all the South American music, all the Asian music,” he told an audience in Aspen, Colo., during an onstage conversation at the Fortune Brainstorm Tech conference. He’s certainly not there yet; there are still gaping holes — the Beatles being the most obvious — and some songs in the library don’t always load on the first try, early launch quirks that will no doubt be remedied.

“It certainly has changed things for me,” musician-producer Brian Eno told me a few weeks back regarding cloud services, “because one of the things I notice that often happens now in the studio when I’m working with other people, is that we’ll mention something — ‘Do you remember that song by so-and-so? No, you haven’t heard it? Oh, well, listen.’ We suddenly refer to music a lot in a way that never used to happen.”

It used to take work to track down old recordings, he added. “But now it’s all there, it’s all equally present, equally current, in a sense, so I think that really changes the way people think about the music that they’re doing. They don’t so much think now of certain styles being unacceptably old-fashioned, and certain other styles being wonderfully, interestingly new. You make your own patchwork quilt.”

Spotify, too, features a glorious sharing tool, in the form of personalized playlists that are as easy to swap with all Facebook friends as double clicking. Within seconds you can be listening to a playlist of 100 songs that your boyfriend just made while stationed in Afghanistan.

You can also subscribe to any public playlist’s feed. I’m on one called “Radiohead Office Charts,” which is just what it says: an ever-evolving selection of songs currently in rotation in Radiohead’s London offices. The list comprises 185 songs and lasts 14 hours. If someone there drops a new track into the folder, I’ll see it and be able to hear it immediately.

But the coolest thing about Spotify and the promise of access and sharing is also the simplest: This morning when I woke up, I had no inkling that I’d be educating myself for the rest of the day on the music of early electronic composer Pierre Schaeffer. I’m in deep, and can’t wait to see what’s around the next corner.

-- Randall Roberts (Pop & Hiss; LA Times Music Blog)

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #1 posted 07/23/11 12:01am

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Here's my q--

Several years ago, maybe around 2006, I subscribed to Yahoo's subscription music service and had access on my desktop (this was before the smartphone was ubiquitous) to millions of songs. I never followed that up with a subscription to Rhapsody, which has slowly been gaining steam since then. I instead streamed through the brilliant Imeem for a few years, and now use the much more limited myspace music service (again, desktop only).

Now that Spotify is here in America, what is it offering that differentiates it from Rhapsody, arguably it's biggest stateside competitor (until iTunes cloud, I guess)?
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Reply #2 posted 07/23/11 12:01am

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I thought Spotify still wasn't open to the United States, yet? eek

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Reply #3 posted 07/23/11 12:10am

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Yeah, it's open for subscriptions, just not for free yet.
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Reply #4 posted 07/23/11 12:13am

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Just another shiny new app, to find you, collect your data, sell it.

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Reply #5 posted 07/23/11 12:15am

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kevinpnb said:

Yeah, it's open for subscriptions, just not for free yet.

I checked after I asked that and yeah, it's open here and for free, but you have to have an 'invite' in order to even install the software and get in there. rolleyes I requested mine but I'm sure there's a hell of a line in front of me...

I hate this 'invite' shit. First Google+, now this. And what usually happens is that people start passing out sensitive info online to strangers trying to get invites to these services. eek

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Reply #6 posted 07/23/11 12:25am

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I just wonder, aside from a lower price and (apparently) a larger library, what is Spotify offering that is so revolutionary? Or is it just the right service at the right time?
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Reply #7 posted 07/23/11 12:32am

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kevinpnb said:

I just wonder, aside from a lower price and (apparently) a larger library, what is Spotify offering that is so revolutionary? Or is it just the right service at the right time?

Free music, legally.

That's enough for me. lol

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Reply #8 posted 07/23/11 5:45am

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armpit said:

kevinpnb said:

Yeah, it's open for subscriptions, just not for free yet.

I checked after I asked that and yeah, it's open here and for free, but you have to have an 'invite' in order to even install the software and get in there. rolleyes I requested mine but I'm sure there's a hell of a line in front of me...

The turn-around time for an invite wasn't too long. I signed up on the day it launched; Spotify sent out my invitation four days later.


[Edited 7/23/11 5:56am]

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Reply #9 posted 07/23/11 6:14am

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Identity said:

armpit said:

I checked after I asked that and yeah, it's open here and for free, but you have to have an 'invite' in order to even install the software and get in there. rolleyes I requested mine but I'm sure there's a hell of a line in front of me...

The turn-around time for an invite wasn't too long. I signed up on the day it launched; Spotify sent out my invitation four days later.


[Edited 7/23/11 5:56am]

Yeah, I read a few ago that they get back to you in about 3 or 4 days, but when you're as impatient as I am, that seems like a lifetime.

I hate it when sites don't allow you to immediately join and use them.

Of course, there's ways I could get ahold of an invite way before then, but stuff like that usually involves passing out your email addy and/or other stuff you shouldn't, to strange people, and I refuse to do that.

So I whine. lol

But seriously - I really don't see the point of this website trend of needing an invitation - it would just make more sense to just open the site to the public at large and let everyone sign up immediately. But I think they do this stuff because they think it will generate more traffic or something, kinda like the online equivalent of Studio 54, velvet-rope bullshit.

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Reply #10 posted 07/23/11 7:03am

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kevinpnb said:

Here's my q-- Several years ago, maybe around 2006, I subscribed to Yahoo's subscription music service and had access on my desktop (this was before the smartphone was ubiquitous) to millions of songs. I never followed that up with a subscription to Rhapsody, which has slowly been gaining steam since then. I instead streamed through the brilliant Imeem for a few years, and now use the much more limited myspace music service (again, desktop only). Now that Spotify is here in America, what is it offering that differentiates it from Rhapsody, arguably it's biggest stateside competitor (until iTunes cloud, I guess)?

They're moving all this stuff to the "cloud", but what happens when some hacker finds out a way to hack the cloud? (Trust me, it will happen.) If you think hacking all of your personal info from credit card scams is bad now, think of what will happen when someone hacks on an enterprise level. We could have a true cyberwar.

But back to Spotify. My guess is they paid a massive sum of money to the record companies to set up shop in the USA, and if it doesn't make a return on its investment, they will just pull back their licenses. The reality is people still will want some personal collection of their music, and this is just another stopgap for the record companies to figure out how to charge an arm and a leg for music people have already paid for.

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Reply #11 posted 07/26/11 10:53am

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I am absolutely LOVING this. It's pretty incredible.

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Reply #12 posted 07/26/11 11:32am

JoeTyler

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I've been enjoying this for almost two years...

mainstream America ALWAYS arrives late when it comes to real GOOD stuff...

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Reply #13 posted 07/27/11 9:40pm

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I just NOW got my Spotify invite, and I requested one the same night I saw this thread... neutral .

I like it so far (it looks ALOT like iTunes), only problem is they won't let you put up profile pics there unless you have a Facebook account and connect it to Spotify. mad

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Reply #14 posted 07/28/11 7:32am

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I've been using spotify for a couple of years. Its fantastic and transformed what I listen to. It took a while for me to change my mind set that I didn't need to store it, download it or buy it. It was like a guilty pleasure for the first 6 months. Listening to whatever the hell I wanted to.

Nowdays, I have some CD's ripped onto my devices, for rare stuff or in case a server sent down, but other than that I listen to everything through spotify.

I got rid of itunes and it was fantasic to rid myself of the bloated, controlling software.

Its the only internet music service that made me go legal and stop downloading from torrents.

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Reply #15 posted 07/28/11 8:48am

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SquirrelMeat said:

I've been using spotify for a couple of years. Its fantastic and transformed what I listen to. It took a while for me to change my mind set that I didn't need to store it, download it or buy it. It was like a guilty pleasure for the first 6 months. Listening to whatever the hell I wanted to.



Nowdays, I have some CD's ripped onto my devices, for rare stuff or in case a server sent down, but other than that I listen to everything through spotify.



I got rid of itunes and it was fantasic to rid myself of the bloated, controlling software.



Its the only internet music service that made me go legal and stop downloading from torrents.


Yeah if they ever respond with an invite almost 13days now I will try it, the wait time is there downfall so far, that needs to be fixed asap

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Reply #16 posted 07/28/11 2:59pm

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armpit said:

I just NOW got my Spotify invite, and I requested one the same night I saw this thread... neutral .

I like it so far (it looks ALOT like iTunes), only problem is they won't let you put up profile pics there unless you have a Facebook account and connect it to Spotify. mad

is that a problem?

wow lol

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Reply #17 posted 07/28/11 3:00pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

I've been using spotify for a couple of years. Its fantastic and transformed what I listen to. It took a while for me to change my mind set that I didn't need to store it, download it or buy it. It was like a guilty pleasure for the first 6 months. Listening to whatever the hell I wanted to.

Nowdays, I have some CD's ripped onto my devices, for rare stuff or in case a server sent down, but other than that I listen to everything through spotify.

I got rid of itunes and it was fantasic to rid myself of the bloated, controlling software.

Its the only internet music service that made me go legal and stop downloading from torrents.

ha! pirate once: pirate forever...

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Reply #18 posted 07/29/11 12:44am

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I tried the free version about 1½ years ago or so and it had bad sound quality. The sound was just hollow and lifeless. I've also listened to the ouput of the non-free version at other people's places and it still had some problems. It was also quite annoying to have really loud ads interrupting the songs on the free version. Couldn't imagine why I would want to continue using it even if it was free. Some people still keep sending me Spotify links though.

It's just a p2p program just like the more questionable ones out there. It stores data on your HD and other users "stream" it from there. Don't be fooled to think it works like an old-fashioned radio.

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Reply #19 posted 07/29/11 1:31am

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novabrkr said:

I tried the free version about 1½ years ago or so and it had bad sound quality. The sound was just hollow and lifeless. I've also listened to the ouput of the non-free version at other people's places and it still had some problems. It was also quite annoying to have really loud ads interrupting the songs on the free version. Couldn't imagine why I would want to continue using it even if it was free. Some people still keep sending me Spotify links though.

It's just a p2p program just like the more questionable ones out there. It stores data on your HD and other users "stream" it from there. Don't be fooled to think it works like an old-fashioned radio.

I use it like a personal radio. It stream instantaniously and lets me access masses of music on a whim.

I can get anything from Gaga to Jesse Johnsons Free World on it, I don't have to buy it, I don't have to back it up and I don't need expensive or annoying devices to play it,

I can live with the quality, and I can live with the odd advert if thats the price to go legitimate without having to fork on on music all the time.

I can understand its not for everyone, but I think the business model for it is the winning formula for the coming generation.

I'm sure Mr Jobs has his people running around making a copy of it so able can create a another "Revolution" in music very soon.

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Reply #20 posted 07/29/11 7:32am

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armpit said:

kevinpnb said:

I just wonder, aside from a lower price and (apparently) a larger library, what is Spotify offering that is so revolutionary? Or is it just the right service at the right time?

Free music, legally.

That's enough for me. lol

I agree..if I am going to download music...I would rather do it through a place where there is less chance of a virus. Btjunkie is good freeware but Im not planning on staying with it. $5.00 a month is AWESOME. I would join spotify...
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Reply #21 posted 07/29/11 7:50am

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I use it like a personal radio. It stream instantaniously and lets me access masses of music on a whim.

I can get anything from Gaga to Jesse Johnsons Free World on it, I don't have to buy it, I don't have to back it up and I don't need expensive or annoying devices to play it,

I can live with the quality, and I can live with the odd advert if thats the price to go legitimate without having to fork on on music all the time.

I can understand its not for everyone, but I think the business model for it is the winning formula for the coming generation.

I'm sure Mr Jobs has his people running around making a copy of it so able can create a another "Revolution" in music very soon.

My main gripe with such services is just that a lot of people will be quite happy with the free version and that just brings the overall quality standards of audio and presentation down. I listen to music on Youtube myself as well, so it's not like it's the end of the world, of course. There's just something that bothers me about people being so willing to accept such a downgrade in terms of quality. I don't think there's any other reason for such services to downgrade the audio quality for the free version than to motivate people to pay for the premium version. It shouldn't be a bandwidth problem really, since it's still a p2p based thing. Even if they state that the audio is 160kb/s there's something else going on there that sounds odd to my ears as well. I don't think regular low-bitrate mp3's and ogg's have that sort of a sound to it. The sound might be different now than what it was when I tried Spotify myself, but I tend to lose my trust in service providers when I notice something like that going on. Back then they didn't even inform the downloaders clearly enough that it's a p2p service, which I think is something they should have done.

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