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prodigalfan said:

silverchild said:

I just got done watching the news and there was a report that Amy's mother was very concerned about her daughter's well-being for years and that her father already wrote an eulogy years before her passing, as he knew she didn't have long to live. Sad as ever, but after all what can one do? Everyone does the best that they can in this life. Just keep on living and be proud of it.

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As a parent of a daughter, that is absolutely heartbreaking. I know this won't mean a thing but I have told my daughter who seems to enjoy performing... (acting, dancing and singing) that it will only be a hobby.

Not only is it so hard to "make it" even if you have enough talent... but for those who do the impossible and "make it" there are so much hardship... Amy, Lindsay, Britney, El Debarge, the list goes on and on.

I told her she better plan on being a pharmacist or veteranarian.

I'm betting that no matter how talented Amy was, and how grateful we are to have been able to enjoy her talent, vibe etc... I bet today her family wishes she had settled on being a dental hygenist, got married and is bringing her brood to mum and dad for Sunday dinner.

I really feel for Amy's parents, being one myself, but I think that her parents knew that she would have had issues even if she had been a dental hygenist, gotten married, and had kids. Everyone wants that great dream for their children and it doesn't always pan out...even for children who are not world famous singers...like those of some family members.

free2bfreeda said:

Dad Prepared an Eulogy for Amy Winehouse's Funeral. (this is some strange stuff)

October 16, 2007 08:09:28 GMT

http://www.aceshowbiz.com...11847.html

Mitch Winehouse was so sure Amy would finally die of drug abuse that he came all prepared with a funeral speech for her.

Amy Winehouse's state of condition was so bad back then that her father has prepared an eulogy for her. Mitch Winehouse, was so sure his daughter's drug-taking lifestyle would finally take its toll that he prepared a speech for her funeral.

Amy passed out in August after allegedly shot down cocktail and drugs that led to overdose.

Mitch told the Daily Star Sunday, "I wrote a eulogy for Amy myself last month. When she had her seizure and was taken to hospital, I really thought that could be it. The doctors told us even a whiff of another drug could kill her."

Mitch also could not hide the desire to point his finger at Amy's husband, Blake Civil-Fielder. He said, "When I found out Blake had given her more drugs, I couldn't believe it. It was as bad as someone holding a gun to my daughter's head. Blake is a bad influence on her and I no longer toe the line and pretend he isn't. Amy is responsible for her own actions but, until he came along, she was staunchly against hard drugs."

"For Amy and Blake to beat their drug problems they have to go into rehab separately and he won't let her do that. I don't care about his health at all, other than because my Amy's happiness relies on it. In the end, she's my daughter. She's very strong and I love her. I trust she will be all right."

I often have wondered if Amy Winehouse was a victim of childhood abuse in some form or other.

listed below are just a few of the symptoms associated with adult manifested childhood abuse. i always felt she wanted to free herself of a secret pain. if she would have followed through with drug rehabilitation, a psychological examination would have been a large part of the procedure. i think everytime she left the program early, it was because the truth about her early life would have been exposed. i feel she feared the repercussions of revealing past revelations would affect someone very close to her.

http://www.aaets.org/article120.htm

Depression and anxiety Posttraumatic stress disorder symptoms Dissociative states Repeated self-injury Eating disorders Poor adherence to medical recommendations Intolerance of or constant search for intimacy Expectation of early death

i won't mention any name(s), i only hope one day a truth will come so Amy's spirit can rest in peace.

Damn.

Dad Prepared an Eulogy for Amy Winehouse's Funeral. (this is some strange stuff)

October 16, 2007 08:09:28 GMT

Amy Winehouse's state of condition was so bad back then that her father has prepared an eulogy for her. Mitch Winehouse, was so sure his daughter's drug-taking lifestyle would finally take its toll that he prepared a speech for her funeral.

Amy passed out in August after allegedly shot down cocktail and drugs that led to overdose.

Mitch told the Daily Star Sunday, "I wrote a eulogy for Amy myself last month. When she had her seizure and was taken to hospital, I really thought that could be it. The doctors told us even a whiff of another drug could kill her."

Mitch also could not hide the desire to point his finger at Amy's husband, Blake Civil-Fielder. He said, "When I found out Blake had given her more drugs, I couldn't believe it. It was as bad as someone holding a gun to my daughter's head. Blake is a bad influence on her and I no longer toe the line and pretend he isn't. Amy is responsible for her own actions but, until he came along, she was staunchly against hard drugs."

"For Amy and Blake to beat their drug problems they have to go into rehab separately and he won't let her do that. I don't care about his health at all, other than because my Amy's happiness relies on it. In the end, she's my daughter. She's very strong and I love her. I trust she will be all right."

I often have wondered if Amy Winehouse was a victim of childhood abuse in some form or other.

listed below are just a few of the symptoms associated with adult manifested childhood abuse. i always felt she wanted to free herself of a secret pain. if she would have followed through with drug rehabilitation, a psychological examination would have been a large part of the procedure. i think everytime she left the program early, it was because the truth about her early life would have been exposed. i feel she feared the repercussions of revealing past revelations would affect someone very close to her.

http://www.aaets.org/article120.htm

- Depression and anxiety

- Posttraumatic stress disorder symptoms

- Dissociative states

- Repeated self-injury

- Eating disorders

- Poor adherence to medical recommendations

- self injury

- Intolerance or constant search for intimacy

- Expectation of early death

i won't mention any name(s), i only hope one day a truth will come so Amy's spirit can rest in peace.

Anyone who knows anything about addiction is, the addict has to want to get better. No one else no matter what they do can help an addict.

purplethunder3121 said:

prodigalfan said:

As a parent of a daughter, that is absolutely heartbreaking. I know this won't mean a thing but I have told my daughter who seems to enjoy performing... (acting, dancing and singing) that it will only be a hobby.

Not only is it so hard to "make it" even if you have enough talent... but for those who do the impossible and "make it" there are so much hardship... Amy, Lindsay, Britney, El Debarge, the list goes on and on.

I told her she better plan on being a pharmacist or veteranarian.

I'm betting that no matter how talented Amy was, and how grateful we are to have been able to enjoy her talent, vibe etc... I bet today her family wishes she had settled on being a dental hygenist, got married and is bringing her brood to mum and dad for Sunday dinner.

I really feel for Amy's parents, being one myself, but I think that her parents knew that she would have had issues even if she had been a dental hygenist, gotten married, and had kids. Everyone wants that great dream for their children and it doesn't always pan out...even for children who are not world famous singers...like those of some family members.

So true purplethunder! We all want the best for our children, but when it comes right down to it, we have to let our children live their lives. We can offer all the help we want, but life is just not roses all of the time. What can we do? It's sad, but what can we really do?

prodigalfan said:

silverchild said:

I just got done watching the news and there was a report that Amy's mother was very concerned about her daughter's well-being for years and that her father already wrote an eulogy years before her passing, as he knew she didn't have long to live. Sad as ever, but after all what can one do? Everyone does the best that they can in this life. Just keep on living and be proud of it.

[Edited 7/24/11 16:56pm]

As a parent of a daughter, that is absolutely heartbreaking. I know this won't mean a thing but I have told my daughter who seems to enjoy performing... (acting, dancing and singing) that it will only be a hobby.

Not only is it so hard to "make it" even if you have enough talent... but for those who do the impossible and "make it" there are so much hardship... Amy, Lindsay, Britney, El Debarge, the list goes on and on.

I told her she better plan on being a pharmacist or veteranarian.

I'm betting that no matter how talented Amy was, and how grateful we are to have been able to enjoy her talent, vibe etc... I bet today her family wishes she had settled on being a dental hygenist, got married and is bringing her brood to mum and dad for Sunday dinner.

What? I can't believe I'm reading this!

First off - her parents were obviously PROUD of their daughter and her talent! Its the drugs they are going to blame, not their daughter or her profession!

Are you seriously suggesting that it is only artists, musicians and performers who succumb to drugs and meet an untimely demise?! People from ALL walks of life take drugs and that includes "dental hygienists" or whatever other "saintly" profession you wish to offer. Lawyers, bankers, nurses, street cleaners, you name it - it has nothing to do with profession and everything to do with who you are. People who experiment with drugs would ALWAYS have experimented with drugs, no matter what their situation.

And, please, don't discourage your daughter to waste her talent! You may as well be a rock of crack cocaine yourself! Do you also advise her not to cross the road in case she gets run over? Do you tell her not to fly in a plane in case it crashes? Suggesting to her that she should forget her talent and not take it seriously JUST IN CASE something bad might happen to her is naive, restrictive and just plain wrong. Let her live her life and follow her dreams and give her guidance through it - but don't project your prejudices and misconceptions on her and scaremonger her out of pursuing her own interest and natural ability, that's just wrong! Not everyone who "makes it" ends up killing themselves or falling on hard times - most do just fine, just like in any other profession.

lazycrockett said:

Anyone who knows anything about addiction is, the addict has to want to get better. No one else no matter what they do can help an addict.

That is what seals the deal. Even though kicking a habit is hard, an addict has to know that their health and life is at risk when they are under the influence. Self-destruction, depression, broken spirits, or anything else, addiction is addiction. Sorry, but that is just the truth.

silverchild said:

lazycrockett said:

Anyone who knows anything about addiction is, the addict has to want to get better. No one else no matter what they do can help an addict.

That is what seals the deal. Even though kicking a habit is hard, an addict has to know that their health and life is at risk when they are under the influence. Self-destruction, depression, broken spirits, or anything else, addiction is addiction. Sorry, but that is just the truth.

Of course, but sometimes the addiction is just too strong to break. Even if an addict wants to kick the habit, its not always possible. Depends entirely on the person AND the substances they are addicted to. Tobacco, for example, is supposed to be as hard as heroin to kick the habit. Sometimes, these substances exert such a control over a person, they're impossible to defeat (same with depression and other behavioural conditions).

Mindflux said:

silverchild said:

That is what seals the deal. Even though kicking a habit is hard, an addict has to know that their health and life is at risk when they are under the influence. Self-destruction, depression, broken spirits, or anything else, addiction is addiction. Sorry, but that is just the truth.

Of course, but sometimes the addiction is just too strong to break. Even if an addict wants to kick the habit, its not always possible. Depends entirely on the person AND the substances they are addicted to. Tobacco, for example, is supposed to be as hard as heroin to kick the habit. Sometimes, these substances exert such a control over a person, they're impossible to defeat (same with depression and other behavioural conditions).

That's my point exactly. It depends solely on a person and what they are addicted to. But I can't support a habit or do anything like give money to an addict to bring them further down. I couldn't have that on my conciousness. Not only that, I can offer them to get help (rehab and intervention) all I want, but it depends on a person's choice to agree to get help. One can't necessarily pull someone's arm into getting help because they love them so. That's not always the case and it's not easy either. It all depends on the person. Who are we to say that they were bad people or something of that caliber just because they can't get help? Now that is the sad part. In Amy's case, there is this split among people who believe that her substance problems and lifestyle made her the person she was, which is not even true nor is it fair. Underneath all of the substance abuse and hard living, there is a reason or group of reasons why people get addicted. So let's not judge!

silverchild said:

Mindflux said:

Of course, but sometimes the addiction is just too strong to break. Even if an addict wants to kick the habit, its not always possible. Depends entirely on the person AND the substances they are addicted to. Tobacco, for example, is supposed to be as hard as heroin to kick the habit. Sometimes, these substances exert such a control over a person, they're impossible to defeat (same with depression and other behavioural conditions).

That's my point exactly. It depends solely on a person and what they are addicted to. But I can't support a habit or do anything like give money to an addict to bring them further down. I couldn't have that on my conciousness. Not only that, I can offer them to get help (rehab and intervention) all I want, but it depends on a person's choice to agree to get help. One can't necessarily pull someone's arm into getting help because they love them so. That's not always the case and it's not easy either. It all depends on the person. Who are we to say that they were bad people or something of that caliber just because they can't get help? Now that is the sad part. In Amy's case, there is this split among people who believe that her substance problems and lifestyle made her the person she was, which is not even true nor is it fair. Underneath all of the substance abuse and hard living, there is a reason or group of reasons why people get addicted. So let's not judge!

Absolutely - nice to see we agree (and nice to see some balance on here!).

Peace

Mindflux said:

prodigalfan said:

As a parent of a daughter, that is absolutely heartbreaking. I know this won't mean a thing but I have told my daughter who seems to enjoy performing... (acting, dancing and singing) that it will only be a hobby.

Not only is it so hard to "make it" even if you have enough talent... but for those who do the impossible and "make it" there are so much hardship... Amy, Lindsay, Britney, El Debarge, the list goes on and on.

I told her she better plan on being a pharmacist or veteranarian.

I'm betting that no matter how talented Amy was, and how grateful we are to have been able to enjoy her talent, vibe etc... I bet today her family wishes she had settled on being a dental hygenist, got married and is bringing her brood to mum and dad for Sunday dinner.

What? I can't believe I'm reading this!

First off - her parents were obviously PROUD of their daughter and her talent! Its the drugs they are going to blame, not their daughter or her profession!

Are you seriously suggesting that it is only artists, musicians and performers who succumb to drugs and meet an untimely demise?! People from ALL walks of life take drugs and that includes "dental hygienists" or whatever other "saintly" profession you wish to offer. Lawyers, bankers, nurses, street cleaners, you name it - it has nothing to do with profession and everything to do with who you are. People who experiment with drugs would ALWAYS have experimented with drugs, no matter what their situation.

And, please, don't discourage your daughter to waste her talent! You may as well be a rock of crack cocaine yourself! Do you also advise her not to cross the road in case she gets run over? Do you tell her not to fly in a plane in case it crashes? Suggesting to her that she should forget her talent and not take it seriously JUST IN CASE something bad might happen to her is naive, restrictive and just plain wrong. Let her live her life and follow her dreams and give her guidance through it - but don't project your prejudices and misconceptions on her and scaremonger her out of pursuing her own interest and natural ability, that's just wrong! Not everyone who "makes it" ends up killing themselves or falling on hard times - most do just fine, just like in any other profession.

lazycrockett said:

The autopsy is scheduled for Monday.

I'd be surprised if it was an overdose, she hadn't had a hit in ages.

TMZ is now saying she died in bed. I'd love to believe she went somewhat peacefully

Source

deadmansbones said:

Can Ecstasy kill ya? I just read that she may have gotten some bad Ecstasy? Of course, she had that respiratory problem. She wasn't in the best of health, so it may have not taken all that much.

And her mom released her last conversation with her describing Amy as "out of it"?

Well... you know... it's just sad situation. I just hoped Amy would make it--beat the odds.

As far as food addiction, well I wouldn't say I was addicted to food. I just really like pizza, hamburgers... beer..wine.. you know things like that. I like going to Happy Hours with chips, queso, margaritas... good friends.. good times. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure-out a person shouldn't eat onion rings every day, for example. How hard can it be, really? No onion rings--or at least not every week. But dang... onion rings are sure mmmmmmmmmmmmmm good.

For the record, I'm not morbidly obese. I'm just slightly overweight. A lot of people would look at me not being overweight at all. But my body mass index isn't quite right. I'm an average American, you know what I'm sayin? I wouldn't say Americans were on the the skinny side in general, and I don't think a lot of us would consider ourselves food addicts.

It's just my blood pressure has been rising. You know stuff like that. I had to wear a Holter monitor because I was having this irregular heartbeat which I was not aware of at all until I had an ekg. Nonetheless, apparently, no worries. Everything was Ok...benign.

It just makes a person "pause" for moment.

And I repeat... onion rings with beer are sure good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I do love unwinding after a hard day's work.

But it ain't good for ya. It's not illegal.. It's just frowned upon in excess! And as I said, one's body doesn't appreciate the eating of onion rings and pizza in excess.

The main issue with food addiction is that people who gorge on food do so for emotional reasons not having to do with hunger or even craving a certain type of food. In other words, food addicts eat tons of food to fill an emotional void in their life, just as a drug addict will snort a line of coke or a junkie will shoot up a needle full of heroin, or an alcoholic will chug down a 12 pack of beer or a whole bottle of Jack Daniels to self-medicate. A classic sign of food addiction is where someone will order a large pizza when they are feeling bad but not particularly hungry and eat the whole pizza in one sitting, or eat an entire package of Oreos and a pint of Haagen Daaz or Ben and Jerry's ice cream and wake up feeling even more depressed. The only difference between the food addict and the person with an eating disorder like bulimia is that the food addict isn't actively trying to binge and purge, though that sometimes happens when they go on a food "bender".

RKJCNE said:

TMZ is now saying she died in bed. I'd love to believe she went somewhat peacefully

Source

Sounds less controversial than what tabloids are reporting. I wanna believe she died peacefully too.

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Timmy84 said:

RKJCNE said:

TMZ is now saying she died in bed. I'd love to believe she went somewhat peacefully

Source

Sounds less controversial than what tabloids are reporting. I wanna believe she died peacefully too.

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Gosh, I hope so too and that she didn't have to be frightened at all.

Timmy84 said:

RKJCNE said:

TMZ is now saying she died in bed. I'd love to believe she went somewhat peacefully

Source

Sounds less controversial than what tabloids are reporting. I wanna believe she died peacefully too.

[Edited 7/24/11 19:55pm]

I hope that she passed away peacefully as well. Either way, I wouldn't really be completely surprised if it was because of an overdose or a declining health situation. Suicide is what will really be devastating. But let's not start claiming...let's continue praying and reminiscing the good things, especially her music.

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One of my favorites.

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Been on a short sabbatical dealing with a death in my own family, but I wanted to pay my respects to Amy. Thanks for the 2 wonderful albums, Ms. Winehouse! R.I.P.

My favorite (b-side) version of "Valerie" (with harmony backing vocals)

lazycrockett said:

armpit said:

I wish the people talking shit in this thread would realize that what they're doing is tantamount to pissing on someone's grave. Sure, she wasn't perfect, but neither are you. Would you really like it if on announcement of your passing or the passing of someone close to you, people badmouthed them/you and picked over all your life choices?

I'm kind of disappointed in humanity right now. I expected more from you guys than what I'm seeing. You all ought to be ashamed. If you don't have anything decent to say, then the right and respectful thing to do is to stay mum and not comment here.

I thought I was going to have to be respectful and silent when madonna kicks the bucket, but after watching this thread fuck that Im going to make fans cry on that glorious day.

Is it that bad?

AlexdeParis said:

Been on a short sabbatical dealing with a death in my own family, but I wanted to pay my respects to Amy. Thanks for the 2 wonderful albums, Ms. Winehouse! R.I.P.

My favorite (b-side) version of "Valerie" (with harmony backing vocals)

I love this version of "Valerie" as well! Been listening to this alot since Saturday. WOW!

prodigalfan said:

Mindflux said:

What? I can't believe I'm reading this!

First off - her parents were obviously PROUD of their daughter and her talent! Its the drugs they are going to blame, not their daughter or her profession!

Are you seriously suggesting that it is only artists, musicians and performers who succumb to drugs and meet an untimely demise?! People from ALL walks of life take drugs and that includes "dental hygienists" or whatever other "saintly" profession you wish to offer. Lawyers, bankers, nurses, street cleaners, you name it - it has nothing to do with profession and everything to do with who you are. People who experiment with drugs would ALWAYS have experimented with drugs, no matter what their situation.

And, please, don't discourage your daughter to waste her talent! You may as well be a rock of crack cocaine yourself! Do you also advise her not to cross the road in case she gets run over? Do you tell her not to fly in a plane in case it crashes? Suggesting to her that she should forget her talent and not take it seriously JUST IN CASE something bad might happen to her is naive, restrictive and just plain wrong. Let her live her life and follow her dreams and give her guidance through it - but don't project your prejudices and misconceptions on her and scaremonger her out of pursuing her own interest and natural ability, that's just wrong! Not everyone who "makes it" ends up killing themselves or falling on hard times - most do just fine, just like in any other profession.

Sorry, I know it is wrong... but she's my only one and I want to protect her. I am well aware of other professions having substance abuse issues. I'm in the medical field... but I can 't help but notice that statistically more people in the entertainment business suffer more from their lifestyle choices. A small group in the big picture yet a significant number of celebrities succumb to that wild lifestyle. Want the best for my little girl and I am unconvinced that a life of entertainment is the best. She can perform in small venues as a hobby. Not her life's goal.

being overprotective is just as bad as not protective enough. And if someone is truly called, they are called. I'd say over 95% of kids who take up music outgrow it. for people like me, nothing could stop me, my parents took me to psychiatrists, put me on meds, tried to change my goals, but it was something I was born to do, I couldn't stop even if I wanted to. And not all of us are into the drugs and alcohol, I for one, have never touched the stuff and don't socialize with other musicians. I remember a book called "Too Young To die" which chronicled all the celebs who die young and cited the reason as being as a group, people who just cannot delay gratification, very impulsive people. as a rule, I'd say that's true for many "stars" and that they usually are trying to compensate for an inferiority complex of some kind, usually they are wounded before they ever pick up an instrument or take an acting class. Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye, James Dean on and on, nearly all had truamatic horrible, heartbreaking shit happen to them as children.

purplethunder3121 said:

alphastreet said:

Manic depression? In that case, I really wish she did treat herself I myself am bipolar and I was refusing meds until I had to admit when I was on edge that I needed help. It was hard hearing I may need my meds for life but I've accepted it. I'm not completely managing but it is keeping me calmer than before and that's better than nothing. It's too bad she didn't take it, though I understand why too in a way cause when I was really feeling those things I was writing so much and didn't want to stop it or have those things go away cause it was making me feel better about myself for a few minutes, but it's really not worth your health.

^^^ You made a very wise choice for your health because bipolar disorder is a chemical imbalance in the brain which can, in most cases, be treated with the RIGHT kind of medication. Unfortunately, I have known people with this chemical imbalance who did not make the right choices for their health. I'm glad you are taking care of your health and going in the right direction, although it can be a very tough road to travel.

I know someone that is bipolar and they don't even know it & not helping them self. It is very difficult dealing with someone like that, if there not helping them self or getting treated.Its like being on a scary roolercoaster and not knowing when U ever going to get off.

I know of others suffering too, like people my family know, and they have done worse than I ever have, cause it got chronic for them which happens if you leave it untreated. I guess it also helps that because I'm in a field where I do encounter those with mental health issues sometimes, I knew how to help myself though my methods of trying without the meds were not working after some time and I felt I got much worse before I got better and had to admit I had a problem deeper than I was willing to accept

We all knew this day was coming but honestly, I didn't think it would be so soon. When I heard this year that she was clean and getting herself together - I was overwhelmed with joy.

I can't get the thought of her out of my mind, Amys passing has deeply saddened me and hit a real deep place. I've always had a soft spot for this girl.

'Frank' and 'Back To Black' have helped and are still helping me through my troubles to this day. I will forever treasure these two incredible albums.

R.I.P. Amy, it comforts me to know you aren't struggling no more

If she would have made it through do you think her voice would've been the same?

Im mean all those hard drugs can take toll on the vocal cords.

Honestly..no. In one of her last performances her voice was so deep and cracked out i dont think see could have came back from that damage the same. But who really knows

Amy songs really spoke to me. Her Voice gave me life! I didnt think her death would effect me like it did. She was so depressed and its seems like no one had the gumption to want to really love the woman.

kenny88 said:

VoicesCarry said:

I thought she was incredibly overrated as an artist. Sad news, but this was completely expected.

She's not overrated. Now Janet Jackson is someone who's very overrated.

Two Albums , one in 2003 and the other in 2006.

And you dont think she was overrated?

powersoul99 said:

kenny88 said:

VoicesCarry said: She's not overrated. Now Janet Jackson is someone who's very overrated.

Two Albums , one in 2003 and the other in 2006.

And you dont think she was overrated?

Unnecessary. If you want to debate this why not use orgnotes?

Besides quality > quantity. Stanley Kubrick took his time making movies, is he overrated?

rialb said:

powersoul99 said:

Two Albums , one in 2003 and the other in 2006.

And you dont think she was overrated?

Unnecessary. If you want to debate this why not use orgnotes?

Besides quality > quantity. Stanley Kubrick took his time making movies, is he overrated?

Not a debate, just a fact that she only did 2 albums and the last one was 5 years ago.

Not very good really for someone that people think is so good?