Timmy84 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Timmy84 said:

I think it was "Wild Thing" but that only got to #2 I think. Hammer's "U Can't Touch This" could've easily been #1 had the song had been issued in more copies than the 12'.

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And wasn't it pulled at some point over the sample

I believe so. Rick James was pissed as hell at the time the song came out because it didn't credit him and Alonzo Miller, who wrote the original "Superfreak".

Timmy84 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Timmy84 said: And wasn't it pulled at some point over the sample

I believe so. Rick James was pissed as hell at the time the song came out because it didn't credit him and Alonzo Miller, who wrote the original "Superfreak".

Superfreak only got to #17, and that was because at the time, James was marginalised as a Black Performer with a limited white chart appeal. Jame's biggest pop hit was the album Street Songs getting to number 3 on the album chart, but his biggest hit single was 1978's You and I which got to 13 Pop. Even the saccharine duet "Ebony eyes" did not do that well.

Here in NZ, You can't touch this was released as a 7 inch single and cassette single (Dancing Machine and Yo Sweetness were the Bsides). The song was #1 for 7 weeks.

Vanilla Ice had single success with Ice Ice Baby number 1 for 2 weeks in December 1990, but play that Funky Music stalled at #12 here, and Rolling in my 5.0 scraped into the 40s for a couple of weeks. The albu peaked at #3 and late 1991's Extremely live missed the chart altogether.

I can't see Justin being around in a few years. He just has nothing going for him whatsoever LOL. He is cute and thats about it. His voice is average too. He may survive like David Cassidy, but personally I think Cassidy at least had some talent.

To be fair to Ice, people for better or worse do remember him, and yes Queen did sue Ice for an undisclosed sum for "ice ice baby" LOL.

Did Ice sell his royalties like Hammer?

Adorecream said:

Timmy84 said:

I believe so. Rick James was pissed as hell at the time the song came out because it didn't credit him and Alonzo Miller, who wrote the original "Superfreak".

Superfreak only got to #17, and that was because at the time, James was marginalised as a Black Performer with a limited white chart appeal. Jame's biggest pop hit was the album Street Songs getting to number 3 on the album chart, but his biggest hit single was 1978's You and I which got to 13 Pop. Even the saccharine duet "Ebony eyes" did not do that well.

Here in NZ, You can't touch this was released as a 7 inch single and cassette single (Dancing Machine and Yo Sweetness were the Bsides). The song was #1 for 7 weeks.

Vanilla Ice had single success with Ice Ice Baby number 1 for 2 weeks in December 1990, but play that Funky Music stalled at #12 here, and Rolling in my 5.0 scraped into the 40s for a couple of weeks. The albu peaked at #3 and late 1991's Extremely live missed the chart altogether.

Actually it was #16 and I think it's his best-selling single to date.

thesexofit said:

I can't see Justin being around in a few years. He just has nothing going for him whatsoever LOL. He is cute and thats about it. His voice is average too. He may survive like David Cassidy, but personally I think Cassidy at least had some talent.

To be fair to Ice, people for better or worse do remember him, and yes Queen did sue Ice for an undisclosed sum for "ice ice baby" LOL.

Did Ice sell his royalties like Hammer?

Nah he still gets paid constantly. He still has homes he bought like 20 years ago.

Timmy84 said:

thesexofit said:

I can't see Justin being around in a few years. He just has nothing going for him whatsoever LOL. He is cute and thats about it. His voice is average too. He may survive like David Cassidy, but personally I think Cassidy at least had some talent.

To be fair to Ice, people for better or worse do remember him, and yes Queen did sue Ice for an undisclosed sum for "ice ice baby" LOL.

Did Ice sell his royalties like Hammer?

Nah he still gets paid constantly. He still has homes he bought like 20 years ago.

Good for him LOL. Ice was manufatured as hell but his album "to the extreme" (or "hooked" as i was originally known), was not. It was pop rap no doubt, but it was made cheaply by Ice and someone called DJ Earthquake. Nobody saw that shit coming, hence the smaller and then new label SBK. Look at the video for "ice ice baby". That was done before the major label signing. Video is cheap as hell LOL

thesexofit said:

Timmy84 said:

Nah he still gets paid constantly. He still has homes he bought like 20 years ago.

Good for him LOL. Ice was manufatured as hell but his album "to the extreme" (or "hooked" as i was originally known), was not. It was pop rap no doubt, but it was made cheaply by Ice and someone called DJ Earthquake. Nobody saw that shit coming, hence the smaller and then new label SBK. Look at the video for "ice ice baby". That was done before the major label signing. Video is cheap as hell LOL

True. In fact all the videos they shot for the songs that were released were cheap, not just "Ice Ice Baby"!

Vanilla Ice was 16 at that time?? He looked older.

Timmy84 said:

thesexofit said:

Good for him LOL. Ice was manufatured as hell but his album "to the extreme" (or "hooked" as i was originally known), was not. It was pop rap no doubt, but it was made cheaply by Ice and someone called DJ Earthquake. Nobody saw that shit coming, hence the smaller and then new label SBK. Look at the video for "ice ice baby". That was done before the major label signing. Video is cheap as hell LOL

True. In fact all the videos they shot for the songs that were released were cheap, not just "Ice Ice Baby"!

SBK probably didn't know what hit them with the 10 million that album sold.

And Capitol deliberately stopped single sales of "u cant touch this", once it hit top 10 (or 5?) to spur on album sales, which worked tenfold.

babybugz said:

babybugz said:

Vanilla Ice was 16 at that time?? He looked older.

Vanilla was 22 when he recorded/released it. He wasn't yet 23 (born on Halloween Day, 1967).

thesexofit said:

Timmy84 said:

True. In fact all the videos they shot for the songs that were released were cheap, not just "Ice Ice Baby"!

SBK probably didn't know what hit them with the 10 million that album sold.

And Capitol deliberately stopped single sales of "u cant touch this", once it hit top 10 (or 5?) to spur on album sales, which worked tenfold.

I thought it was because it was just released as a 12-inch?

Timmy84 said:

thesexofit said:

SBK probably didn't know what hit them with the 10 million that album sold.

And Capitol deliberately stopped single sales of "u cant touch this", once it hit top 10 (or 5?) to spur on album sales, which worked tenfold.

I thought it was because it was just released as a 12-inch?

I read that once the album was no 1, they cancelled the single. By that time the single was climbing the top 10. Maybe it was only released on 12 inch though, but thats what I know?

I know WB did something similar for Prince's "Gett Off".

The Bieb and Ice seem to have a good relationship, cause they both went and got matching tattoos......Oh wait that's his dad.

He could have worded it better... but, you know he's got a point.

Teen idols aren't meant to be hot forever. As soon as teen idols accept that, then they can make better decisions. Just say to yourself 'I will do this now and take it as far as I can, and when my fanbase outgrows me, I will move on and maybe do the nostalgia tour thing later'.

Of course, teenagers (and even adult stars) don't normally think that way... when you're in the middle of it, you think it's going to last forever.

Kinda' suprised that most of the thread was about knocking Vanilla Ice, while defending Bieber...

What makes you guys think Bieber will end up differently than any other Teen Beat Pop Star? I personally like the kid... I liked the Backstreet Boys too, but even when they were debuting with 1 million plus CD sales in one week, I knew it wasn't going to last. That's not an insult on them.

I got a question:

Why does any artist who talk about the past always say they were younger than they were when they first started out? I still remember Lil Kim saying she was only 17 when she shot the ad to promote "Hard Core" and she was well over 22.

gemari77 said:

He could have worded it better... but, you know he's got a point.

Teen idols aren't meant to be hot forever. As soon as teen idols accept that, then they can make better decisions. Just say to yourself 'I will do this now and take it as far as I can, and when my fanbase outgrows me, I will move on and maybe do the nostalgia tour thing later'.

Of course, teenagers (and even adult stars) don't normally think that way... when you're in the middle of it, you think it's going to last forever.

Kinda' suprised that most of the thread was about knocking Vanilla Ice, while defending Bieber...

What makes you guys think Bieber will end up differently than any other Teen Beat Pop Star? I personally like the kid... I liked the Backstreet Boys too, but even when they were debuting with 1 million plus CD sales in one week, I knew it wasn't going to last. That's not an insult on them.

Ice was only stating the obvious though, he don't get no brownies for that.

Timmy84 said:

Adorecream said:

Superfreak only got to #17, and that was because at the time, James was marginalised as a Black Performer with a limited white chart appeal. Jame's biggest pop hit was the album Street Songs getting to number 3 on the album chart, but his biggest hit single was 1978's You and I which got to 13 Pop. Even the saccharine duet "Ebony eyes" did not do that well.

Here in NZ, You can't touch this was released as a 7 inch single and cassette single (Dancing Machine and Yo Sweetness were the Bsides). The song was #1 for 7 weeks.

Vanilla Ice had single success with Ice Ice Baby number 1 for 2 weeks in December 1990, but play that Funky Music stalled at #12 here, and Rolling in my 5.0 scraped into the 40s for a couple of weeks. The albu peaked at #3 and late 1991's Extremely live missed the chart altogether.

Actually it was #16 and I think it's his best-selling single to date.

I can't believe you are correcting me over ONE chart place. Either way #16 or #13 is still modest rather than smash success on the pop chart. I actually find Superfreak quite dull compared to U can't touch this. Ironically #17 was the spot Superfreak reached on the Kiwi singles chart.

Adorecream said:

Timmy84 said:

Actually it was #16 and I think it's his best-selling single to date.

I can't believe you are correcting me over ONE chart place. Either way #16 or #13 is still modest rather than smash success on the pop chart. I actually find Superfreak quite dull compared to U can't touch this. Ironically #17 was the spot Superfreak reached on the Kiwi singles chart.

I know, I was just being a smartass and uh I don't consider it dull.