bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

If he really cared for his grandma, let her know that Chris Hunt is a sniveling snake ripping her off.

But Tim, we don't know what's been said to her in private. For all we know, Global Live and their team could've pulled the wool over their eyes. It's not like it's the first time that family's been scammed

They don't have the best sense in business either I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the majority of them don't know how to read a contract

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bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

If he really cared for his grandma, let her know that Chris Hunt is a sniveling snake ripping her off.

But Tim, we don't know what's been said to her in private. For all we know, Global Live and their team could've pulled the wool over their eyes. It's not like it's the first time that family's been scammed

They don't have the best sense in business either I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the majority of them don't know how to read a contract

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but bboy, katherine and this family has been told repeatedly that they do not have the right to do this. they just don't. in one early court appearance, it may have been the one where taj was actually trying to become one of the executors (what a laugh!), the judge said to katherine point blank that she had no right to her son's property, any of it. therefore, i think the only thing that has been said to katherine privately, is to ignore the estate, use mj's kids, and make money for this family - the ones who are out of the will. taj has said nothing in private to his grandmother about hunt, otherwise he wouldn't be one of the 'performers' at this b.s. 'tribute'.

This guys response about another "Trust Fund" for Katherine and the kids is absolutely ridiculous. They're simply a cover. Michael made sure that not only his kids, but even his great-grandchildren will be set for life. "A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children." When you consider the future earnings the Estate will collect, this reason don't hold water. Not to mention the money he had before death, plus the money earned since death. They don't need another "Trust". Michael's debt will be paid in full in no time. Katherine is simply believing their hype, for the sake of further cottling her grown ass kids because Michael was smart enough to leave his siblings out of his iron clad will.

Although Michael might have made some bad business decisions in the past, I sure am glad that he hired the Executors of his Estate. That was probably the last wise decision he made in his life.

Oh, and the more these guys talk, the more apparent that this whole thing full of crap. Keep them talking

bboy87 said:

They don't have the best sense in business either I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the majority of them don't know how to read a contract

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It's just hard watching all this drama go down because it just comes across as these crooks are just taking advantage of family that's not that smart. Could you honestly see these assholes doing any of this with Priscilla Presley?

mookie said:

bboy87 said:

They don't have the best sense in business either I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the majority of them don't know how to read a contract

[Edited 9/2/11 21:35pm]

It's just hard watching all this drama go down because it just comes across as these crooks are just taking advantage of family that's not that smart. Could you honestly see these assholes doing any of this with Priscilla Presley?

nope, absolutely not.

but the really sad thing is, they don't see how they're just continuing to dig their own graves. branca is far from stupid. he's laying up all of this evidence for future use. for example, right now in their court battle with howard mann, the other crook trying to glom onto mj through katherine, the estate has asked for the contract that shows that kat has 'bound' mj's kids to mann to promote his ventures even after kat's death.

it is evidence of one of two things about kat: 1) either she is senile and unaware that she is being taken advantage of which calls into question her competence to be guardian to these kids or 2) she is well aware of what she is doing and feels justified in doing it out of her anger that mj left the rest of the family out of the will, and again, it calls into her question her fitness as the kids' guardian.

it's all gonna hit the fan really soon, i think.

kibbles said:

nope, absolutely not.

but the really sad thing is, they don't see how they're just continuing to dig their own graves. branca is far from stupid. he's laying up all of this evidence for future use. for example, right now in their court battle with howard mann, the other crook trying to glom onto mj through katherine, the estate has asked for the contract that shows that kat has 'bound' mj's kids to mann to promote his ventures even after kat's death.

it is evidence of one of two things about kat: 1) either she is senile and unaware that she is being taken advantage of which calls into question her competence to be guardian to these kids or 2) she is well aware of what she is doing and feels justified in doing it out of her anger that mj left the rest of the family out of the will, and again, it calls into her question her fitness as the kids' guardian.

it's all gonna hit the fan really soon, i think.

So Branca's really going after Katherine? I thought he was for the most part basically allowing her to do whatever she wanted because him and McClain didn't want to come as bullies who are going after the grieving mother. It just seems like the crooks hide behinde her because they know this.

mookie said:

kibbles said:

nope, absolutely not.

but the really sad thing is, they don't see how they're just continuing to dig their own graves. branca is far from stupid. he's laying up all of this evidence for future use. for example, right now in their court battle with howard mann, the other crook trying to glom onto mj through katherine, the estate has asked for the contract that shows that kat has 'bound' mj's kids to mann to promote his ventures even after kat's death.

it is evidence of one of two things about kat: 1) either she is senile and unaware that she is being taken advantage of which calls into question her competence to be guardian to these kids or 2) she is well aware of what she is doing and feels justified in doing it out of her anger that mj left the rest of the family out of the will, and again, it calls into her question her fitness as the kids' guardian.

it's all gonna hit the fan really soon, i think.

So Branca's really going after Katherine? I thought he was for the most part basically allowing her to do whatever she wanted because him and McClain didn't want to come as bullies who are going after the grieving mother. It just seems like the crooks hide behinde her because they know this.

well, the fact that the execs are asking for the contract tells me that the gloves are coming off. they haven't named kat specifically as a defendant in their lawsuit, but they are going to point out that this mann contract is illegal and unconscienable, which it is, and that (imo) will lead to a slippery slope involving katherine's fitness as these kids' guardian. they won't necessarily have to point their fingers at her; the courts will. add on top of it the contract w/global live, which basically also contracts the kids to being involved, and the jacksons are sitting on a time bomb, i think.

kibbles said:

mookie said:

It's just hard watching all this drama go down because it just comes across as these crooks are just taking advantage of family that's not that smart. Could you honestly see these assholes doing any of this with Priscilla Presley?

nope, absolutely not.

but the really sad thing is, they don't see how they're just continuing to dig their own graves. branca is far from stupid. he's laying up all of this evidence for future use. for example, right now in their court battle with howard mann, the other crook trying to glom onto mj through katherine, the estate has asked for the contract that shows that kat has 'bound' mj's kids to mann to promote his ventures even after kat's death.

it is evidence of one of two things about kat: 1) either she is senile and unaware that she is being taken advantage of which calls into question her competence to be guardian to these kids or 2) she is well aware of what she is doing and feels justified in doing it out of her anger that mj left the rest of the family out of the will, and again, it calls into her question her fitness as the kids' guardian.

it's all gonna hit the fan really soon, i think.

I think its scenario #2, jmho.

NaughtyKitty said:

kibbles said:

nope, absolutely not.

but the really sad thing is, they don't see how they're just continuing to dig their own graves. branca is far from stupid. he's laying up all of this evidence for future use. for example, right now in their court battle with howard mann, the other crook trying to glom onto mj through katherine, the estate has asked for the contract that shows that kat has 'bound' mj's kids to mann to promote his ventures even after kat's death.

it is evidence of one of two things about kat: 1) either she is senile and unaware that she is being taken advantage of which calls into question her competence to be guardian to these kids or 2) she is well aware of what she is doing and feels justified in doing it out of her anger that mj left the rest of the family out of the will, and again, it calls into her question her fitness as the kids' guardian.

it's all gonna hit the fan really soon, i think.

I think its scenario #2, jmho.

I believe it's #2, if it was #1, you think she'd tell her children what to do with their children... or she wouldn't have agreed to raise them for as long as she has.

Hey guys! We got another MJ tribute coming up! Tito & Rebbie are involved w/this one! Try to curb your enthusiasm over THIS!

David Gest, Jacksons plan tribute tour to Michael

(Reuters) - Producer David Gest, Tito Jackson and others close to Michael Jackson on Monday unveiled a singing and spoken-word tribute tour to the late King of Pop.

"A Jackson Named Michael: Remembering a Legend," kicks off in the United Kingdom in March 2012, and follows another tribute set for October in Wales that has caused some controversy among fans of the "Thriller" singer.

Gest's show will feature Tito, a member with Michael of Motown singing sensations The Jackson 5, along with another sibling Rebbie Jackson and friend Deniece Williams singing tunes and telling tales about Jackson's life and career. Plans call for a question-and-answer session with audience members.

"The majority of the show will be reminiscences and stories about Michael that the public has never heard," Gest said in a statement.

The tour also follows the October U.K. release of Gest's documentary film, 'Michael Jackson: The Life of an Icon," which Jackson's mother and family matriarch Katherine Jackson called "a tremendous achievement."

"This is not my story, but the story of many of Michael's friends' recollections," she said in a statement.

Michael Jackson, who rose to fame in a family of singers before embarking on a solo career that included smash hits such as "Thriller" and "Billie Jean," died in June 2009 of an overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol which he used as a sleep aid.

His physician at the time, Dr. Conrad Murray, has been charged with involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's death. He has pleaded not guilty and a trial will start in September.

Katherine Jackson is just one of the family's members who has backed a one-night tribute planned for October 8 in Cardiff, Wales. But that tribute has caused some fans to cry foul over the singers who were invited, the charities benefiting from ticket sales and its timing during Murray's trial.

http://www.reuters.com/ar...MW20110906

When will it all stop?

NaughtyKitty said:

Hey guys! We got another MJ tribute coming up! Tito & Rebbie are involved w/this one! Try to curb your enthusiasm over THIS!

When will it all stop?

When we will stop caring about them I guess... Maybe when Kathy and Joe will be dead, when all MJ sinblings will also be dead... I guess their kids are gonna try to grab their hand on some of the money one way or another (since the musical talent passes to the new generation slower than the greed talent)

I say in 50 years...

Enthusiast much?

LOL, not at all!

who wouldnt be upset with a bunch of strangers calling their grandmother all kinda of names. i bet if these looney fans who care so much about mj's kids (as if he left them in their custody) tried to attack mrs jackson on paris or prince twitter the kids would go off on their asses to.

lowkey said:

who wouldnt be upset with a bunch of strangers calling their grandmother all kinda of names. i bet if these looney fans who care so much about mj's kids (as if he left them in their custody) tried to attack mrs jackson on paris or prince twitter the kids would go off on their asses to.

Probably, but 13 years old kid doesn't know much about life yet, twitter account or not.

lowkey said:

who wouldnt be upset with a bunch of strangers calling their grandmother all kinda of names. i bet if these looney fans who care so much about mj's kids (as if he left them in their custody) tried to attack mrs jackson on paris or prince twitter the kids would go off on their asses to.

you're right, they wouldn't take too kindly to it. the sad thing is, they're going to grow up and realize why these fans are saying the things they are saying. yeah, mj left his kids in mrs. jackson's custody but do you think he would have done so if he knew she'd be signing them to contracts with a porn producer? how do you think they're going to feel about that when they grow up?

My thing is, if we're that "loony" then leave the MJ fans alone. We've made it pretty clear we don't want these funky ass projects from the family and we sure as hell don't want to see MJ's kids used to sell these shitty projects.

I'm just sick to death of this lazy "MJ fans are so mean" nonsense, but yet it is us they keep seeking out. I mean, the man's kids are being used, but no one expects the fans to be upset?

or how bout if the fans dont like the jacksons maybe they shouldnt follow them on twitter or watch their interviews,ect. nobody is gonna force mj fans to support a tribute but how da hell can fans feel like they have the right to tell this man's family what they can or cant do and say about him? i dont get the whole thing about 'the kids will find out about them', what are they gonna find out? the jacksons have a shit load of grandkids and i never heard nothing bad about any of them and it dont seem like any of them grew up to hate their family, so why would fans think mj kids should feel some kinda way about their family? you cant force your dislike of the jackson family on mike's kids who are jacksons, thats like saying if somebody got a beef with your brother or sister you should side with them and hate on your blood, complete bullshit.

lowkey said:

or how bout if the fans dont like the jacksons maybe they shouldnt follow them on twitter or watch their interviews,ect. nobody is gonna force mj fans to support a tribute but how da hell can fans feel like they have the right to tell this man's family what they can or cant do and say about him? i dont get the whole thing about 'the kids will find out about them', what are they gonna find out? the jacksons have a shit load of grandkids and i never heard nothing bad about any of them and it dont seem like any of them grew up to hate their family, so why would fans think mj kids should feel some kinda way about their family? you cant force your dislike of the jackson family on mike's kids who are jacksons, thats like saying if somebody got a beef with your brother or sister you should side with them and hate on your blood, complete bullshit.

1. If you don't know why the fans are mad at the family, maybe you should consider reading a bit on what they have done through the years (not only after June 2009), maybe you'd understand more, maybe without approving, but at least understand.

2. Others Jackson's kids aren't rich, privileged yes, but not as rich as MJ's kids, therefore, they aren't pimped by the family, they aren't used to make money, they are just raised (not even by their parents for some of them) more normally.

3. This family have been milking on MJ's talent all his life, since he was 5 years old, and they are doing the same with his kids now.

4. Yes, I believe the older MJ's kids will get, the more they'll realise how much they've been used, by people they loved, by people who raised them after their father died, this is what's gonna hurt.

But you know all of this right? You just wanted to write an opposite opinion to see who would react and act like a crazy fan. Well, it's done.

If someone doesn't get, or doesn't WANNA get, why some folks are upset at the family, then it's best to leave them to what they see in their own eyes.

carinemjj said:

But you know all of this right? You just wanted to write an opposite opinion to see who would react and act like a crazy fan. Well, it's done.

Crazy fan? Who's not saying the same things we're saying about this family? Who doesn't think their actions have been sad and embarrassing? Who's not cringing when some of them appear somewhere? What's crazy to me is, there are some who still suck up to them.

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carinemjj said:

lowkey said:

or how bout if the fans dont like the jacksons maybe they shouldnt follow them on twitter or watch their interviews,ect. nobody is gonna force mj fans to support a tribute but how da hell can fans feel like they have the right to tell this man's family what they can or cant do and say about him? i dont get the whole thing about 'the kids will find out about them', what are they gonna find out? the jacksons have a shit load of grandkids and i never heard nothing bad about any of them and it dont seem like any of them grew up to hate their family, so why would fans think mj kids should feel some kinda way about their family? you cant force your dislike of the jackson family on mike's kids who are jacksons, thats like saying if somebody got a beef with your brother or sister you should side with them and hate on your blood, complete bullshit.

1. If you don't know why the fans are mad at the family, maybe you should consider reading a bit on what they have done through the years (not only after June 2009), maybe you'd understand more, maybe without approving, but at least understand.

2. Others Jackson's kids aren't rich, privileged yes, but not as rich as MJ's kids, therefore, they aren't pimped by the family, they aren't used to make money, they are just raised (not even by their parents for some of them) more normally.

3. This family have been milking on MJ's talent all his life, since he was 5 years old, and they are doing the same with his kids now.

4. Yes, I believe the older MJ's kids will get, the more they'll realise how much they've been used, by people they loved, by people who raised them after their father died, this is what's gonna hurt.

But you know all of this right? You just wanted to write an opposite opinion to see who would react and act like a crazy fan. Well, it's done.

whatever went on between mj and his family is their business not his fans, he was a grown man and made his own decisions. the family was so terrible yet thats where he wanted his kids to be . so you are saying because the kids will have their dads money they should be treated different from the other jackson kids? when mj was 5 his brothers were on stage singing and dancing to, it was the jackson 5 not just michael jackson. im still trying to see how they are being used, maybe because i dont spend most of my life on the internet and i dont see any interest in mj's kids offline, u can enlighten me on how they are being used. as for your last statement, no i really dont know why mj fans seem to hate his family so much. it seems like the fans are more concerned with who gets what or how this man's money is spent then about his real legacy, which is his music. the mj fans i know care about his music not his kids, his money,and all the other shit that dont concern us. for such a caring and generous man mj has some extremely selfish and petty fans.

I love it when some people don't deserve an answer, that saves me some time, I should've learned it before though.

carinemjj said:

I love it when some people don't deserve an answer, that saves me some time, I should've learned it before though.

or when people dont have an answer....

lowkey said:

whatever went on between mj and his family is their business not his fans, he was a grown man and made his own decisions. the family was so terrible yet thats where he wanted his kids to be . so you are saying because the kids will have their dads money they should be treated different from the other jackson kids? when mj was 5 his brothers were on stage singing and dancing to, it was the jackson 5 not just michael jackson. im still trying to see how they are being used, maybe because i dont spend most of my life on the internet and i dont see any interest in mj's kids offline, u can enlighten me on how they are being used. as for your last statement, no i really dont know why mj fans seem to hate his family so much. it seems like the fans are more concerned with who gets what or how this man's money is spent then about his real legacy, which is his music. the mj fans i know care about his music not his kids, his money,and all the other shit that dont concern us. for such a caring and generous man mj has some extremely selfish and petty fans.

Screw all this family stuff. Not sure why when it comes to MJ, his family is shoved down our throats. Foul is foul. If it was Debbie Rowe doing any of the things the family were doing, the same posters who choose to overlook what the family is doing, would be the 1st ones calling out Debbie. That's why all these excuses just seems like a joke. Debbie or Lisa Marie just blinks and some of these same Jackson family defenders will bitch up a storm, but suddenly when it comes to the family acting foul, it's none of our business? As for the kids being used. Most of their appearances have been mainly to sell something. So the accusation that they are being used is fair. Everyone knows never in a million years would Priscilla and Yoko do the things this family has done with the kids and be so stupid when it came to their loved one's legacy, so I don't get why some would even try to spin away what it is they are doing with the kids and them coming out with these embarrassing projects.

Meanwhile at the MJ estate:

Michael Jackson's legacy to live on soon

This fall, Michael Jackson's legacy will live on through the official partnership between the Estate of Michael Jackson and Cirque Du Soleil with "Michael Jackson the Immortal World Tour."

The show opens in Montreal on October 2nd and will feature Cirque du Soleil's signature acrobatic performances set to the music of Michael Jackson. Cirque du Soleil sold 200,000 tickets within 24 hours of putting them on sale.

A team of 10 choreographers are putting the show together, which is being built to be the largest ever Cirque du Soleil production. The massive show will tour across North America for approximately two years before moving on to Europe.

http://news.xinhuanet.com...097877.htm

[Edited 9/7/11 14:59pm]

Timmy84 said:

Meanwhile at the MJ estate:

Michael Jackson's legacy to live on soon

This fall, Michael Jackson's legacy will live on through the official partnership between the Estate of Michael Jackson and Cirque Du Soleil with "Michael Jackson the Immortal World Tour."

The show opens in Montreal on October 2nd and will feature Cirque du Soleil's signature acrobatic performances set to the music of Michael Jackson. Cirque du Soleil sold 200,000 tickets within 24 hours of putting them on sale.

A team of 10 choreographers are putting the show together, which is being built to be the largest ever Cirque du Soleil production. The massive show will tour across North America for approximately two years before moving on to Europe.

http://news.xinhuanet.com...097877.htm

[Edited 9/7/11 14:59pm]

See, this is what is so mind boggling about MJ's family. See what happens when projects are handled professionally and with respect? Fans would've threw money at them if they would have done the same thing. I don't get how they don't feel like huge dumbasses when they see the money the estate is pulling in.

mookie said:

See, this is what is so mind boggling about MJ's family. See what happens when projects are handled professionally and with respect? Fans would've threw money at them if they would have done the same thing. I don't get how they don't feel like huge dumbasses when they see the money the estate is pulling in.

I met Travis Payne and the guys who are gonna do the Cirque du Soleil show. If you just saw how their eyes are sparkling when they talk about Michael and the show, THIS IS WHAT I CALL LOVE! They are so proud of doing that, and they are so nice, and I am so gonna be there for the red carpet on the Premiere, and gonna see the show on the day after. Can't wait to see real love for Michael brought by true people!

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Timmy84 said:

Meanwhile at the MJ estate:

Michael Jackson's legacy to live on soon

This fall, Michael Jackson's legacy will live on through the official partnership between the Estate of Michael Jackson and Cirque Du Soleil with "Michael Jackson the Immortal World Tour."

The show opens in Montreal on October 2nd and will feature Cirque du Soleil's signature acrobatic performances set to the music of Michael Jackson. Cirque du Soleil sold 200,000 tickets within 24 hours of putting them on sale.

A team of 10 choreographers are putting the show together, which is being built to be the largest ever Cirque du Soleil production. The massive show will tour across North America for approximately two years before moving on to Europe.

http://news.xinhuanet.com...097877.htm

[Edited 9/7/11 14:59pm]

200,000 tix sold in 24 hrs! Holy Toledo!

Timmy84 said:

If someone doesn't get, or doesn't WANNA get, why some folks are upset at the family, then it's best to leave them to what they see in their own eyes.

Thank you Timmy!

mookie said:

lowkey said:

whatever went on between mj and his family is their business not his fans, he was a grown man and made his own decisions. the family was so terrible yet thats where he wanted his kids to be . so you are saying because the kids will have their dads money they should be treated different from the other jackson kids? when mj was 5 his brothers were on stage singing and dancing to, it was the jackson 5 not just michael jackson. im still trying to see how they are being used, maybe because i dont spend most of my life on the internet and i dont see any interest in mj's kids offline, u can enlighten me on how they are being used. as for your last statement, no i really dont know why mj fans seem to hate his family so much. it seems like the fans are more concerned with who gets what or how this man's money is spent then about his real legacy, which is his music. the mj fans i know care about his music not his kids, his money,and all the other shit that dont concern us. for such a caring and generous man mj has some extremely selfish and petty fans.

Screw all this family stuff. Not sure why when it comes to MJ, his family is shoved down our throats. Foul is foul. If it was Debbie Rowe doing any of the things the family were doing, the same posters who choose to overlook what the family is doing, would be the 1st ones calling out Debbie. That's why all these excuses just seems like a joke. Debbie or Lisa Marie just blinks and some of these same Jackson family defenders will bitch up a storm, but suddenly when it comes to the family acting foul, it's none of our business? As for the kids being used. Most of their appearances have been mainly to sell something. So the accusation that they are being used is fair. Everyone knows never in a million years would Priscilla and Yoko do the things this family has done with the kids and be so stupid when it came to their loved one's legacy, so I don't get why some would even try to spin away what it is they are doing with the kids and them coming out with these embarrassing projects.

i know, right? but to paraphrase timmy, some don't want to get it. everyone has been very clear about the reasons for their concern or even outrage, but the jackson cheerleaders never respond to the reasons, just sidestep them altogether. as i said before, mj may have left his kids to his mother, but how could he have known that she would doing the things she's doing?

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