PatrickS77 said:

mimi07 said:

THANK YOU! some fans get to emotionally involved. No family is perfect and some of Michael's family do shady things but to think some fans actually think they care more about him than his familt is laughable. Some act like they knew Michael personally, i swear a few would love to ride a unicorn to kidnap his children and raise them in a castle over a rainbow where they won't be tainted. Like seriously they need to chill, Michael's kiss are with their family where they belong. Fans hate when the media and other people say Prince, Paris and Blanket aren't Jacksons yet they segregate them from their family as well...hypocrisy much? they hate when their looks are dissected yet they do the same. I think some have transferred their obsession from MJ onto his kids, they aren't and will never be him so they should give them space and let them live.

Agree!

You know, you all perfect people, caring doesn't equal obsessed.

And family can be nice, or not, or in between depending on the acts.

Do you think it's nice that Lindsay Lohan's father taped conversation with her in order to sell it to the media and that her mother does everything she can to appear with her daughter to make a buck after?

Do you think that it's nice that Katherine put MJ's kids under a LIFETIME CONTRACT with a weird porno producer, then gets a 100 000$ check to bring the kids to a bad organised concert? Do you think it's nice that Katherine and Joseph brings the kids to Oprah, who may be the most obsessed (more than fans, and in a wrong way) about Michael? I could go on

Again, caring does not equal obsessed, some are, yes, of course, like in everything, but don't put us all in the same basket, there are levels of caring. Being outside this family does give us the opportunity to see a lot (not everything of course) from an outside point of view, and we can say that growing up in the Jackson family leaves marks ... even on Michael, and it will be the same for the kids.

So yes, it could be worst, they could be violented, raped or not fed, but it could be better also.

Again, Pardon us for caring we didn't know it was against the rules.

Now excuse me while I have something else to do than be judged.

Hmmm. Isn't Gene Simmons the guy who wrote and sang 'Christine Sixteen"? The one with the really creepy spoken word interlude that goes like this:

"I don't usually say things like this to girls your age

but when I saw you voming out of the school that day

That day I knew

I knew

I've got to have you

I've got to have you"?

Perhaps he should be a bit more careful before running his mouth off about other musicians being kiddiefiddlers.

lowkey said:

i think mj fans are to deeply involved with his kids and estate, he is the only deceased pop star whos fans get so involved in matters that really dont concern them. seems like fans are always trying to seperate his kids from the rest of the jacksons, 'they need to get away from those people', i hope they dont grow up like them',ect. well last i checked mj was a jackson which makes his kids jacksons, so blanket and nem are no different then jermajesty and all the other grandkids in the eyes of the jacksons. the kids are with their blood relatives (at least thats what fans have been saying), no matter how hard some try they will never convince the kids that their daddy's fans love and care for them more then their family. a whole lot of people are making money off mj's name,likeness,legacy but the only people fans ahve a problem with is his own flesh n blood, go figure

All I see is fans acting like fans. Someone does something foul, fans are going to call it out. If Elvis fans are bitching about Priscilla working with Hasbro, Mattell, cirque du soleil, etc. why would anyone expect MJ fans to not be upset at his own family doing these embarrassing D-list projects?

And it's not like the family defenders are actually countering the negative views of the family with good things they've done or how what thy're doing helps MJ's legacy in anyway, so I don't get how anyone can criticize the fans for having these opinions. Go knock Priscilla Presley and see how she's defended by some. Never do you see anything like that for the family.

carinemjj said:

PatrickS77 said:

Agree!

You know, you all perfect people, caring doesn't equal obsessed.

And family can be nice, or not, or in between depending on the acts.

Do you think it's nice that Lindsay Lohan's father taped conversation with her in order to sell it to the media and that her mother does everything she can to appear with her daughter to make a buck after?

Do you think that it's nice that Katherine put MJ's kids under a LIFETIME CONTRACT with a weird porno producer, then gets a 100 000$ check to bring the kids to a bad organised concert? Do you think it's nice that Katherine and Joseph brings the kids to Oprah, who may be the most obsessed (more than fans, and in a wrong way) about Michael? I could go on

Again, caring does not equal obsessed, some are, yes, of course, like in everything, but don't put us all in the same basket, there are levels of caring. Being outside this family does give us the opportunity to see a lot (not everything of course) from an outside point of view, and we can say that growing up in the Jackson family leaves marks ... even on Michael, and it will be the same for the kids.

So yes, it could be worst, they could be violented, raped or not fed, but it could be better also.

Again, Pardon us for caring we didn't know it was against the rules.

Now excuse me while I have something else to do than be judged.

You're free to care as much as you want. You're free to be obsessed as much as you want as well. It is not against any rules to care but it's not against the rules for us to question why certain people seem too involved or even obsessed as well.

You say that growing up in the Jackson family leaves marks and you were quick to post links to UNICEF etc. Well there are a lot of people growing up in that family with marks possibly so maybe they all need your altruism. Let's start a help organisation to marked Jacksons. On second thought, count me out

[Edited 8/20/11 9:08am]

mookie said:

lowkey said:

i think mj fans are to deeply involved with his kids and estate, he is the only deceased pop star whos fans get so involved in matters that really dont concern them. seems like fans are always trying to seperate his kids from the rest of the jacksons, 'they need to get away from those people', i hope they dont grow up like them',ect. well last i checked mj was a jackson which makes his kids jacksons, so blanket and nem are no different then jermajesty and all the other grandkids in the eyes of the jacksons. the kids are with their blood relatives (at least thats what fans have been saying), no matter how hard some try they will never convince the kids that their daddy's fans love and care for them more then their family. a whole lot of people are making money off mj's name,likeness,legacy but the only people fans ahve a problem with is his own flesh n blood, go figure

All I see is fans acting like fans. Someone does something foul, fans are going to call it out. If Elvis fans are bitching about Priscilla working with Hasbro, Mattell, cirque du soleil, etc. why would anyone expect MJ fans to not be upset at his own family doing these embarrassing D-list projects?

And it's not like the family defenders are actually countering the negative views of the family with good things they've done or how what thy're doing helps MJ's legacy in anyway, so I don't get how anyone can criticize the fans for having these opinions. Go knock Priscilla Presley and see how she's defended by some. Never do you see anything like that for the family.

Not saying concern for other artists doesn't exist. But as a fan of many artists I've never seen another fan base that are so extremly involved in the private life of an artist. Normally people are more concerned if the tour doesn't come to town, if the artistic level decreases. A lot of people in the MJ community seem more occupied with commenting on pictures of Michael's kids, discussing weather Paris wears the right clothes, trying to decide how they should be raised, weather they should be unveild or go to public school. I've never seen anything remotely like that in regards of any other artist to be frank.

manthevan said:

Not saying concern for other artists doesn't exist. But as a fan of many artists I've never seen another fan base that are so extremly involved in the private life of an artist. Normally people are more concerned if the tour doesn't come to town, if the artistic level decreases. A lot of people in the MJ community seem more occupied with commenting on pictures of Michael's kids, discussing weather Paris wears the right clothes, trying to decide how they should be raised, weather they should be unveild or go to public school. I've never seen anything remotely like that in regards of any other artist to be frank.

I agree some fans can go over the top at times with their concern and with their criticisms, but most of the time it is so understandable as to why fans are being so trippy about some of the things that is going on. As a longtime MJ fan, it just seems like the shadiness and crookedness never ends, so sadly that is what fans on alot of his sites focus on.

Registration ended, fans started to recieve emails saying they were selected to buy their tickets (even those who gave 0$ to charity)... and now that HUGE announcement.. lol

Michael Forever Tribute Breaking News: BEYONCE Beams Into Michael Forever Tribute!! A unique, never-before-seen performance by Beyonce of one of her favourite Jackson 5 songs will be shown at the concert on October 8th! A lifelong Michael fan, Beyonce really wanted to be involved in this tribute concert. Due to scheduling issues she can’t be there in person, but this performance is not to be missed!

Well, don't know how many fans are gonna pay 300$ to see Beyonce on a screen singing a.... J5 song? Oh yeah, I forgot, they won't be able to sing MJ's song if they brodcast this misery, they have to stick to J5 songs...

[Edited 8/22/11 10:24am]

^ so now Beyonce is supposedly gonna participate in this fiasco too? Why would she want to attach her name to this mess? Who knows if this thing is actually gonna go thru anyways?

NaughtyKitty said:

^ so now Beyonce is supposedly gonna participate in this fiasco too? Why would she want to attach her name to this mess? Who knows if this thing is actually gonna go thru anyways?

Loving the letter

Stil Latoya tweets: Always turns negative into positive... is she talking about her bank account or Michael's legacy? She gets tweets from angry fans, knows that more than 35 fan borads are calling boycott to this mess, yet she' ignoring everything... as long as she gets the cash I guess nothing can bring her down...

About Beyonce,.... don't forget that she'll not be PHYSICALLY there, only on a screen... and singing a J5 song...

carinemjj said:

NaughtyKitty said:

^ so now Beyonce is supposedly gonna participate in this fiasco too? Why would she want to attach her name to this mess? Who knows if this thing is actually gonna go thru anyways?

Loving the letter

Stil Latoya tweets: Always turns negative into positive... is she talking about her bank account or Michael's legacy? She gets tweets from angry fans, knows that more than 35 fan borads are calling boycott to this mess, yet she' ignoring everything... as long as she gets the cash I guess nothing can bring her down...

About Beyonce,.... don't forget that she'll not be PHYSICALLY there, only on a screen... and singing a J5 song...

That's right, Bey will be there via satellite singing a J5 song!

And speaking of Latoya....

LA TOYA JACKSON
Forgiving the MJ Haters

http://www.tmz.com/2011/0...mons-kiss/

[Edited 8/22/11 10:48am]

NaughtyKitty said:

That's right, Bey will be there via satellite singing a J5 song!

And speaking of Latoya....

LA TOYA JACKSON
Forgiving the MJ Haters

La Toya Jackson thinks a lot of Michael Jackson haters have had a change of heart since her brother died -- but it's unclear whether she's including Gene Simmons in that group.

You'll recall KISS got dropped from the upcoming MJ tribute concert in part because Gene has said he believes Michael was a child molester.

This weekend in Bev Hills we asked La Toya if she thought the concert should be off limits to artists who disrespected Michael. Her answer is all about forgiveness ... but are you buying it?

http://www.tmz.com/2011/0...mons-kiss/

[Edited 8/22/11 10:48am]

Yeah LaLoca is really something... I guess when you need money you forgive a lot of people...

Why forgive someone sho hasn't asked to be forgiven? Oh yeah.. ''Follow the money'' LaToya...

This is sad, the biggest star they got will have to be filmed via satelite. That's definitely an "upgrade". Jesus this concert is gonna be saaaaaaaaaaaaad.

carinemjj said:

NaughtyKitty said:

That's right, Bey will be there via satellite singing a J5 song!

And speaking of Latoya....

LA TOYA JACKSON
Forgiving the MJ Haters

La Toya Jackson thinks a lot of Michael Jackson haters have had a change of heart since her brother died -- but it's unclear whether she's including Gene Simmons in that group.

You'll recall KISS got dropped from the upcoming MJ tribute concert in part because Gene has said he believes Michael was a child molester.

This weekend in Bev Hills we asked La Toya if she thought the concert should be off limits to artists who disrespected Michael. Her answer is all about forgiveness ... but are you buying it?

http://www.tmz.com/2011/0...mons-kiss/

[Edited 8/22/11 10:48am]

Yeah LaLoca is really something... I guess when you need money you forgive a lot of people...

Why forgive someone sho hasn't asked to be forgiven? Oh yeah.. ''Follow the money'' LaToya...

Right! @ LaLoca!

Timmy84 said:

This is sad, the biggest star they got will have to be filmed via satelite. That's definitely an "upgrade". Jesus this concert is gonna be saaaaaaaaaaaaad.

Sho nuff! Unless it gets cancelled.

http://twitpic.com/691ube

[Edited 8/22/11 11:02am]

NaughtyKitty said:

35 MICHAEL JACKSON FAN COMMUNITIES CALL FOR CANCELLATION OF 'TRIBUTE' CONCERT

Sunday, 21 August 2011 Written by Elliott Batte

The door is slowly closing on the Michael Forever Tribute concert, set to take place at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium on October 8th, after over 35 of the leading Michael Jackson fan forumsissued a statement advising the organisers Global Live Events to cancel the gig. The open letter, led by MJJCommunity, the largest online Michael Jackson forum, highlights their refusal to support the gig and describes the concert as ‘doomed’. They also heavily reiterate points such as the addition and removal of Gene Simmons and his band KISS, who publicly branded Michael a child molester, despite the singer being cleared of all charges in 2005, and the fact that the show is scheduled to take place during the Conrad Murray manslaughter trial. A part of the letter reads: “From the timing of this tribute, in the middle of Dr. Murray's trial, to the ticketing prices, to the obscurity over what charities will be receiving the donation, to the no-guarantee policy of performers, the addition of Gene Simmons and dishonoring, thus tarnishing Michael Jackson's legacy was simply the last straw. “With the damage done, it will be the fans who work hard to overcome this debacle for Michael Jackson's legacy.” A video protesting the tribute has also been created, which you can see embedded below. Pressure has been growing on promoters Global Live Events to cancel the gig – initially, it was just Randy and Jermaine who opposed the concert. In a significant twist to the saga, last week, Michael Jacksons' Estate published an open letter they sent to Global Live Events concerning the show, forums worldwide have displayed their displeasure at the concert and even the event organiser's official Facebook page has been bombarded with attacks from fans. Now this fan community letter, which is supported by MJ forums in countries like USA, UK, China, Russia, Germany and many, many more, encompassing million of registered fans, has edged the tribute closer to a premature end. Organiser Paul Ring recently made comments regarding the future of the concert to the BBC, saying “The concert is very much going ahead.” The registration period for the concert is set to end at midnight today (August 21st). The organisers have indicated that tickets are set to go onsale at 9.30am BST on Wednesday August 24th, with those that preregistered for tickets being contacted within 24 hours. Do you think the show will still go on? Or do you believe the concert should being cancelled? Tell us in the comments section below. http://www.stereoboard.co...w/167325/9

I think it's great that so many fans are against this thing Keep the boycott going! Strength in numbers! Hopefully,many fans won't buy tickets which will force it to be cancelled.This show is wrong on so many levels and it needs to be stopped.

carinemjj said:

MJ Tribute Concert Rolls Toward Cancellation; Oh, And His Kids Are More Or Less Contractually Required To Attend By Ben Westhoff Mon., Aug. 22 2011 at 10:25 AM http://blogs.laweekly.com...php?page=2 ​The pressure is mounting for organizers to call off the Michael Jackson tribute concert -- scheduled for October 8 in Wales. From the beginning, this looked like a wretched, sketchy affair, a money grab posing as a charity event. Little known fact: Did you know that his kids are more or less obligated to attend? Reads the promoter Global Live Events' terms and conditions for the sale of tickets: "Michael's mother Mrs. Katherine Jackson has agreed to attend the concert with as many of Michael's children as are available." In any case, Jermaine and Randy Jackson opposed this gig from the start, and opposition began to mount when the lackluster line-up was rolled out. The biggest names included Christina Aguilera, Leona Lewis, Cee-Lo, and KISS, whose bassist Gene Simmons told Classic Rock magazine last year: "There's no question in my mind he molested those kids. Not a doubt." Last week MJ's estate publicly decried the affair, complaining about the inclusion of KISS -- who were promptly removed -- and speculating that the concert may be unlawful in its use of MJ "intellectual property," which the estate controls. And now, a group of 35 MJ fan forums have joined together to issue a statement advising Global Live Events to cancel the show. "From the timing of this tribute in the middle of Dr. Murray's trial," reads the letter, which was posted Saturday and references the upcoming manslaughter case of Jackson's doctor Conrad Murray, "to the ticketing prices, to the obscurity over what charities will be receiving the donation, to the no-guarantee policy of performers, the addition of Gene Simmons and dishonoring, thus tarnishing Michael Jackson's legacy was simply the last straw." A Fans Against the Michael Forever Tribute Facebook page has 900 members, while the official Michael Forever Tribute page is overrun with negative comments. The complaints get into the whole smorgasbord of controversies associated with the event, including the complicated ticketing process (in which fans donating the most to charity were initially offered better opportunities to receive tickets), and the involvement of MJ's children. Here are sampling of fan comments from the official tribute page: *Celebration time, KiSS is outta here and now we work on getting this Tribute concert canceled, we'll will start by going to the acts! *Without a futher announcement of better artists taking part I will not complete my purchase, announce some better acts or my £400 will be staying in my account!! *I am happy to know that the Estate don't support this. As I said on another board, this whole tribute concert to MJ Is a joke, Why do they bother at all. MJ would never like this concert. *I really wonder how the artist who are planning to perform in this so-call tribute feel about all of this negative press. Because it sure is alot of negative press. *I would hope they are giving their Mngmt a good kicking!!! If every other prominent name was giving this Tribute a wide berth it should have been a really big warning signal to every other artist!! Who knows how they were coerced into this. I must admit I do feel sorry for them, but hopefully like us they will be seeing what a 'con' this all is. *So happy about the statement of the Estate. The Jackson$ were already has been, now everybody will know publicly that it's ALL ABOUT MONEY WITH THEM! And the worst, it's MJ's kids live with them. *No Estate approval - most fans wont be around for this. We are aware that the money will NOT go to charity. I dont trust anything that isnt Approved by Michaels Estate. *Can anyone here recommend a nice pub in Cardiff so that the 10 fans planning to attend the concert can get together and have some drinks when it gets cancelled?

Thanks for posting this Carinemjj

Well I guess its fitting for Beyonce to be a part of this tribute, since she's the second coming of MJ and all...

NaughtyKitty said:

Thanks for posting this Carinemjj

Well I guess its fitting for Beyonce to be a part of this tribute, since she's the second coming of MJ and all...

Welcome, too bad it paste the text without any paragraph... ugh...

LOL at the Beyocne being the second coming of MJ... That was great no? This couple is out of this world, they are sooo funny to watch, they both think the other is a God or think they are Adam and Eve or something, they can't get enough of how the other is the greatest thing on earth... well, guess they're in love...

carinemjj said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Thanks for posting this Carinemjj

Well I guess its fitting for Beyonce to be a part of this tribute, since she's the second coming of MJ and all...

Welcome, too bad it paste the text without any paragraph... ugh...

LOL at the Beyocne being the second coming of MJ... That was great no? This couple is out of this world, they are sooo funny to watch, they both think the other is a God or think they are Adam and Eve or something, they can't get enough of how the other is the greatest thing on earth... well, guess they're in love...

Yes they are in love....with themselves lol!

NaughtyKitty said:

Yes they are in love....with themselves lol!

more like it.

I did like Beyonce after Destiny's child I was happy for her when she got success and when she kind of emancipated after Austin Powers movie... Too bad she got the big head.. hope she'll come back to normal... I haven't heard her recent stuff though, lost interest... anyway.

She'll be promoting herself in that concert... if that concert actually takes place.

^Yeah with so many fans protesting this concert, it will be a wonder if it actually happens. Tickets are supposed to go on sale Wednesday. I'm very interested in hearing how many tickets will sell.

I read a lot of people registered actually to f*uck up their system and are not gonna buy the tickets.. that should be fun to watch...

^That would be funny!

Like the man himself sang, I don't know whether to laugh or cry... sigh

............

Jackson concert organizers reach out to unhappy fans

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The organizers of a controversial Michael Jackson Tribute concert said on Tuesday they were going ahead with the event, but they offered disgruntled fans the chance to air their concerns in a global conference call.

"We are 100 percent going ahead. We will continue to announce names for the line-up. We are moving forward and now we will try to address issues that have been raised by fans," Juliette Harris, a spokeswoman for Global Events Live told Reuters.

Harris said members of verified Jackson fan clubs will be invited to take part in a conference call on Tuesday, August 30, in which promoters of the October 8 tribute in Wales will try to allay their concerns.

Some 35 Jackson fans clubs have called for the tribute concert to the "Thriller" singer to be called off, saying it is "doomed to fail." They are unhappy with confusion over charitable donations from ticket revenue, the timing of the concert during the involuntary manslaughter trial in Los Angeles of Jackson's doctor, and the invitation (now withdrawn) to rock band Kiss.

Kiss frontman Gene Simmons has in the past called Jackson a child molester. The pop singer, who died in Los Angeles in June 2009 at age 50, was acquitted of all charges in a 2005 child sex abuse trial.

Attorneys for Jackson's estate have also expressed concerns about the tribute, which is supported by the singer's mother Katherine and several of her children, but not by Jackson brothers Jermaine and Randy Jackson.

Christina Aguilera, Cee Lo Green and Smokey Robinson, as well as several British acts will perform Jackson songs along with their own material at the tribute. Beyonce will also beam in a cover version of one Jackson hit by satellite.

Harris said many more performers would be announced shortly. She said she had not seen the open letter from the fan clubs but organizers want to respond in next week's conference call to some of the issues that have surfaced.

Tickets for the show at the 75,000-seat Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, Wales, range from 55 pounds to 240 pounds (about $90-$390) and go on general sale on Wednesday.

http://www.baltimoresun.c...4643.story

carinemjj said:

Like the man himself sang, I don't know whether to laugh or cry... sigh

............

Jackson concert organizers reach out to unhappy fans

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The organizers of a controversial Michael Jackson Tribute concert said on Tuesday they were going ahead with the event, but they offered disgruntled fans the chance to air their concerns in a global conference call.

"We are 100 percent going ahead. We will continue to announce names for the line-up. We are moving forward and now we will try to address issues that have been raised by fans," Juliette Harris, a spokeswoman for Global Events Live told Reuters.

Harris said members of verified Jackson fan clubs will be invited to take part in a conference call on Tuesday, August 30, in which promoters of the October 8 tribute in Wales will try to allay their concerns.

Some 35 Jackson fans clubs have called for the tribute concert to the "Thriller" singer to be called off, saying it is "doomed to fail." They are unhappy with confusion over charitable donations from ticket revenue, the timing of the concert during the involuntary manslaughter trial in Los Angeles of Jackson's doctor, and the invitation (now withdrawn) to rock band Kiss.

Kiss frontman Gene Simmons has in the past called Jackson a child molester. The pop singer, who died in Los Angeles in June 2009 at age 50, was acquitted of all charges in a 2005 child sex abuse trial.

Attorneys for Jackson's estate have also expressed concerns about the tribute, which is supported by the singer's mother Katherine and several of her children, but not by Jackson brothers Jermaine and Randy Jackson.

Christina Aguilera, Cee Lo Green and Smokey Robinson, as well as several British acts will perform Jackson songs along with their own material at the tribute. Beyonce will also beam in a cover version of one Jackson hit by satellite.

Harris said many more performers would be announced shortly. She said she had not seen the open letter from the fan clubs but organizers want to respond in next week's conference call to some of the issues that have surfaced.

Tickets for the show at the 75,000-seat Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, Wales, range from 55 pounds to 240 pounds (about $90-$390) and go on general sale on Wednesday.

http://www.baltimoresun.c...4643.story

A global conference call eh? That should be very interesting!

Today is the day that I've been looking forward to because today is the first day of ticket sales. If there aren't enough tickets sold in time, there will be no tribute concert. The power is really with the people. I guess we'll have to wait and see....

My main concern is those rabid international fans who eats up anything, Michael. They're the ones that are more likely to buy tickets regardless. It will be a huge victory for those 30+ fan clubs if this thing falls on its face before its even out the gates

As far as Michael's legacy is concerned, its intact just as its always been. This concert wasn't going to offer anything new to secure his legacy (Ms. Katherine). Michael did that decades before his death in my opinion.

Yes, tickets go on general sale today... some fans non-attending the show are checking once in a while by 'trying' to order tickets, to see if they always get the same choice... seems tickets sales are slow, some people fake to order every 10 minutes and it always show the same tickets availability, no matter the price range.

yeah,let's hope that fans don't buy tickets.That'll force them to cancel this show poor tickets sales=no concert

Fans need to send a strong,clear message.

SoulAlive said:

yeah,let's hope that fans don't buy tickets.That'll force them to cancel this show poor tickets sales=no concert

Fans need to send a strong,clear message.

I hope the sales will be poor, but still some are actually buying tickets... sigh, you can see that on their facebook pages.. IF they are real poeple of course... some are angry cause they registered for 2 tickets with 10 pounds charity pledge each, and only but 1 ticket and still were charge for both charity pledges... incredible...

My fear is, if this tribute succeeds, then every sham promoter out there will go to the family for even more "tributes" for around the world.