allsmutaside said:

SCNDLS said:

What do I need to apologize for? You came at me being all extra out of left field for something I DID NOT say and your response was to ratchet shit up a notch for no good reason. But whatever

You need to apolgize for behaving like a chump, plain and simple.

A chump? Why? Cuz I don't like Patti Labelle and dared to say so?

But you ignoring the fact that YOU came at ME completely unprovoked based on YOUR mistake and that you're further provoking the situation again based on YOUR mistake and calling me names to boot is perfectly fine??? You are attacking me and I'm supposed to be cool with that? This place is too funny

SCNDLS said:

allsmutaside said:

You need to apolgize for behaving like a chump, plain and simple.

A chump? Why? Cuz I don't like Patti Labelle and dared to say so?

But you ignoring the fact that YOU came at ME completely unprovoked based on YOUR mistake and that you're further provoking the situation again based on YOUR mistake and calling me names to boot is perfectly fine??? You are attacking me and I'm supposed to be cool with that? This place is too funny

Why? Because you can't even be bothered to read the content of this thread you are so turned around. Because you haven't even noticed that I support your ability to express your dislike of Patti Labelle and have expressed my own reservations regarding the subject here in this thread. Because I never attacked you. (I am sorry that you don't seem to have much of a sense of humor, or at least not enough to distinguish between a bit of humor and an attack.) Because I have not called you a name, but rather described a particular behavior as being chump-like. Because what you are supposed to be cool with is people being human and possibly in error at some point or another. Because I will not accept the crown for the shitty discourse that you and Tony have go going on.

allsmutaside said:

SCNDLS said:

A chump? Why? Cuz I don't like Patti Labelle and dared to say so?

But you ignoring the fact that YOU came at ME completely unprovoked based on YOUR mistake and that you're further provoking the situation again based on YOUR mistake and calling me names to boot is perfectly fine??? You are attacking me and I'm supposed to be cool with that? This place is too funny

Why? Because you can't even be bothered to read the content of this thread you are so turned around. Because you haven't even noticed that I support your ability to express your dislike of Patti Labelle and have expressed my own reservations regarding the subject here in this thread. Because I never attacked you. (I am sorry that you don't seem to have much of a sense of humor, or at least not enough to distinguish between a bit of humor and an attack.) Because I have not called you a name, but rather described a particular behavior as being chump-like. Because what you are supposed to be cool with is people being human and possibly in error at some point or another. Because I will not accept the crown for the shitty discourse that you and Tony have go going on.

I'm used to people who when they know they've made a mistake they acknowledge it and apologize not make it worse by further insulting the person as you did to me. But since I don't know you and never will, your assessment and opinion mean nothing to me and I will continue expressing myself how and when I feel.

BlaqueKnight said:

TD3 said:

What I welll say is the theatrics that LaBelle is known for has come late in her career. I do agree with SCNDLS assesment on the showboating and/or showing up another performer in most instances is, tacky and tasteless. It's been my own personal experience and observation that LaBelle "really shows out" when there's lights, camara, and action.

You mean like how Prince did at the Eric Clapton tribte, right?

I don't think I've ever seen that footage / performance BK; I'm sure it's on the Tube I'll check-it-out.

allsmutaside said:

TonyVanDam said:

You know something SCNDLS, you're a straight up Aunt Jermina, you know that?!?

Tony, what the hell? Get your god damn apologies out for that name calling right now son. We all deserve one from you for bringing the conversation to that lonely ugly innapproriate wrong place.

After the way I've been disrespected by SCNDLS?!? Excuse you Allsmutaside, but my negative criticism is directly at SCNDLS and no one else.

And SCNDLS calling me "typical Tony". But you will NEVER see me kissing her ass for a freaking apology for disrespect me first.

SCNDLS said:

allsmutaside said:

Why? Because you can't even be bothered to read the content of this thread you are so turned around. Because you haven't even noticed that I support your ability to express your dislike of Patti Labelle and have expressed my own reservations regarding the subject here in this thread. Because I never attacked you. (I am sorry that you don't seem to have much of a sense of humor, or at least not enough to distinguish between a bit of humor and an attack.) Because I have not called you a name, but rather described a particular behavior as being chump-like. Because what you are supposed to be cool with is people being human and possibly in error at some point or another. Because I will not accept the crown for the shitty discourse that you and Tony have go going on.

I'm used to people who when they know they've made a mistake they acknowledge it and apologize not make it worse by further insulting the person as you did to me. But since I don't know you and never will, your assessment and opinion mean nothing to me and I will continue expressing myself how and when I feel.

You mistake a difference of opinion and an innocent error for a request for your silence. Or do you? Nice job playing the victim. I can't wait to hear more about your victimization. You shut the place down where any apology could be proferred with your gangbusters response. And in the end, you really don't seem to know anything about The Clark Sisters.

TonyVanDam said:

allsmutaside said:

Tony, what the hell? Get your god damn apologies out for that name calling right now son. We all deserve one from you for bringing the conversation to that lonely ugly innapproriate wrong place.

After the way I've been disrespected by SCNDLS?!? Excuse you Allsmutaside, but my negative criticism is directly at SCNDLS and no one else.

And SCNDLS calling me "typical Tony". But you will NEVER see me kissing her ass for a freaking apology for disrespect me first.

I am not hating, Tony. But I am in full disagreement with your statement about SCNDLS being someone's Auntie. Wish we could be talking about Ledisi instead.

TonyVanDam said:

allsmutaside said:

Tony, what the hell? Get your god damn apologies out for that name calling right now son. We all deserve one from you for bringing the conversation to that lonely ugly innapproriate wrong place.

After the way I've been disrespected by SCNDLS?!? Excuse you Allsmutaside, but my negative criticism is directly at SCNDLS and no one else.

And SCNDLS calling me "typical Tony". But you will NEVER see me kissing her ass for a freaking apology for disrespect me first.

Lighten up.............

isthisdadawn said:

I don't see how Ledisi is the next PATTI. I love my momma Patti but sometimes she just says stuff in the heat of the convo.

To me the next person who could even come close is Fantasia.. for the sheer fact of her spontanity and catching the spirit while performing as Patti always does. However vocally.. no one will EVER, EVER do for me what Patti has done. She is an American Treasure..and the most underrated vocalist in american history!!

[Edited 7/20/11 7:20am]

I wonder how Patti REALLY feels about Fantasia... she actually compared Jennifer Hudson to herself when she accepted the Lifetime Achievement Award at the GLAAD Awards and called her "bitch" and "heifer" presumably in humor to Jennifer and from one person's account kept saying "you ain't no Beyonce". To me Ledisi reminds me a bit of Dinah Washington with some Chaka Khan added to it (the Turn Me Loose album had more hints of Rufus-era Chaka than Labelle-era Patti to me lol). I mean in a WAY I can see WHY Patti said that but I think people like Fantasia, Mary J. and 'em come more from Patti's cloth than Ledisi. That's all. Great singers but come on, Patti has a better falsetto (nowadays) while Ledisi can give it you straight on soprano.

allsmutaside said:

TonyVanDam said:

After the way I've been disrespected by SCNDLS?!? Excuse you Allsmutaside, but my negative criticism is directly at SCNDLS and no one else.

And SCNDLS calling me "typical Tony". But you will NEVER see me kissing her ass for a freaking apology for disrespect me first.

I am not hating, Tony. But I am in full disagreement with your statement about SCNDLS being someone's Auntie. Wish we could be talking about Ledisi instead.

@ the way you said THAT!^

I hear and agree with the Dinah Washington comparison and you definitely hear Chaka in her style but lets keep it real; Ledisi has some Patti influence, too.

To keep it even realer, I'm glad we are finally having another Ledisi thread. I hope she continues to do well and I'm glad Patti co-signed her because people need to get hip to her. She has a great gift and needs all the support she can get.

Damn some of y'all going Black Panther-ish for no reason, people. Chill.

Anyways, I think people gotta accept that Patti is NOT gonna be everybody's taste. It's kinda like Janis or Chaka or whatever. Just because someone don't like her voice don't mean she's a Benedict Arnold to "understanding black music". To be honest, Patti sings most of the same stuff Whitney has sung post-Labelle and definitely post-I'm in Love Again.

As a live performer, she's great, but as an artist, she has left a LOT to be desired. Labels didn't know how to promote her, producers mostly don't know how to produce her. She's one of those who tried to get crossover appeal but at the same time refused to tone down her singing. Maybe that's what fucked her up as far as musical success go. Sure, she's accomplished a lot, but I always thought she was bitter about not getting to the ultimate top like her "friends" Diana, Aretha and Whitney. She always has said she was "stuck in the middle".

In essence though I'd call Patti a pop singer. Hell she's partially responsible for all the histronics and melismatic vocals you get or got from Whitney, Mariah, Celine, Christina, the American Idol kids, some of the neo-soul female singers, etc.

But people HARDLY talked about that period where her voice actually sounded REAL BEAUTIFUL. I'm referring to the '60s and her time with the Blue Belles. NOW... that voice definitely took you places WITHOUT having to show off. That's how talented Patti was/is. She's toned down her vocals in recent years - and for good reason. Hell Patti at one time was doing Minnie Riperton/Deniece Williams-type notes during her Blue Belles days (check "Down the Aisle") before those two came around. I think her voice was perfect for pop ballads also ("All or Nothing") but either the labels she was with or her managers hardly promoted it because they were always playing Motown records or whatever.

In the '70s, she got a little funky with Labelle and she came out with this sexy type of voice that mixed church with the strip clubs but she felt uncomfortable singing that way but she was still powerful.

Now sometime after leaving Labelle, when she finally carried on with a SOLO career, she thought she could get her way to sing in any kind of way. She didn't. But I noticed most of her early solo recordings, she sounded more comfortable singing pop ballads than funk songs (though I love her cover of Edwin Starr's Funky Music Sho Nuff Turns Me On). MOST of her material since the debut has had its share or more of POP ballads.

But she shined when it came to R&B: "If Only You Knew", "Love, Need & Want You", etc. I think her shining moment as a solo artist came between 1983 and 1986. Looking back at her 1984, 1985 performances, it's funny how she had to "fight" to get heard. That's why she started doing all those "flapping arms", putting the microphone stand down to its knees during "Rainbow" before grabbing the microphone off it (later flailing the stand to the ground), kicking off her shoes (I don't think she did that during the Labelle days), and rolling on the ground.

This is where Fantasia and Mary J. would get their ideas of doing their own histronics and wild child-type of performances. You get Fantasia kicking her shoes off, you get Mary J. doing her "dancing" and getting on the ground herself kind of like Patti.

This is why to me I don't get the Ledisi comparison. But Patti said it was because "you're nice to people", it wasn't "you sing like me".

TD3 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

You mean like how Prince did at the Eric Clapton tribte, right?

I don't think I've ever seen that footage / performance BK; I'm sure it's on the Tube I'll check-it-out.

Showmanship is very much apart of our culture but there can be a fine line between showmanship adding to a performance or subtracting from it. In my opinion, in recent years Ms. LaBelle's theatrics at times has been a minus. Look at me, look at me! Heck you can't help it with that wonderous voice so why the needless contrived drama? I would add, when our singing in tribute or apart of an ensemble giving honor to another (especially if that person is present)... it's about the honoree and not you.

I meant George Harrison. Sorry. I just read what I typed.

I doubt Ledisi can sing this.

But I don't know if Patti could pull this off:

----

I always thought this song was a perfect anthem for Patti:

When Lutha sang this, the stupid audience didn't know what the fuck the song was.

allsmutaside said:

SCNDLS said:

I'm used to people who when they know they've made a mistake they acknowledge it and apologize not make it worse by further insulting the person as you did to me. But since I don't know you and never will, your assessment and opinion mean nothing to me and I will continue expressing myself how and when I feel.

You mistake a difference of opinion and an innocent error for a request for your silence. Or do you? Nice job playing the victim. I can't wait to hear more about your victimization. You shut the place down where any apology could be proferred with your gangbusters response. And in the end, you really don't seem to know anything about The Clark Sisters.

Some more bullshit, great thanks. So you surmise that I know nothing about the clark sisters when I didn't bring them up or say anything about them.

SCNDLS said:

allsmutaside said:

You mistake a difference of opinion and an innocent error for a request for your silence. Or do you? Nice job playing the victim. I can't wait to hear more about your victimization. You shut the place down where any apology could be proferred with your gangbusters response. And in the end, you really don't seem to know anything about The Clark Sisters.

Some more bullshit, great thanks. So you surmise that I know nothing about the clark sisters when I didn't bring them up or say anything about them.

You are right. I am sorry about that.

Somebody start a Clark Sisters thread, they are the screaming bomb. No, my living is not in vain.

BlaqueKnight said:

TD3 said:

I don't think I've ever seen that footage / performance BK; I'm sure it's on the Tube I'll check-it-out.

Showmanship is very much apart of our culture but there can be a fine line between showmanship adding to a performance or subtracting from it. In my opinion, in recent years Ms. LaBelle's theatrics at times has been a minus. Look at me, look at me! Heck you can't help it with that wonderous voice so why the needless contrived drama? I would add, when our singing in tribute or apart of an ensemble giving honor to another (especially if that person is present)... it's about the honoree and not you.

I meant George Harrison. Sorry. I just read what I typed.

I thought about the George Harrison's tribute when I read your post, I wasn't sure.

OH YES, I do recall, uh that's different.

My, my, my...

Who had Prince's back when he leaned backwards playing and where did that gee-tar go when he tossed it up into the air and walked off? I don't think Mr. Clapton was on stage, he just melted awaaaaaaaaaaay.

^ But you don't like Prince anyways.

[Edited 7/20/11 12:14pm]

TD3 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

I meant George Harrison. Sorry. I just read what I typed.

I thought about the George Harrison's tribute when I read your post, I wasn't sure.

OH YES, I do recall, uh that's different.

My, my, my...

Who had Prince's back when he leaned backwards playing and where did that gee-tar go when he tossed it up into the air and walked off? I don't think Mr. Clapton was on stage, he just melted awaaaaaaaaaaay.

Can you post some video on this? It sounds very intereeeeeeeeesting.

TD3 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

I meant George Harrison. Sorry. I just read what I typed.

I thought about the George Harrison's tribute when I read your post, I wasn't sure.

OH YES, I do recall, uh that's different.

My, my, my...

Who had Prince's back when he leaned backwards playing and where did that gee-tar go when he tossed it up into the air and walked off? I don't think Mr. Clapton was on stage, he just melted awaaaaaaaaaaay.

IIRC Eric Clapton was not involved or on stage during that tribute, it was Tom Petty and some other guys. IMO what P did was nothing like what Patti does. P was in the background and let every other player take their turn and do their thing. He laid in the cut, was barely visible in the shot on tv UNTIL it was his turn. They had him play last for a REASON so he could shut that shit down. And all the other guitarists especially George's son were encouraging P's performance. Patti's antics during tributes to others has been downright shameful IMO and the Celia tribute sealed it for me.

Prince kicked ass on that thing and yeah they definitely encouraged it.

Oh shit people putting Prince in this thread now. WIG SNATCHING!

Now y'all done REALLY did it.

Timmy84 said:

Prince kicked ass on that thing and yeah they definitely encouraged it.

Oh shit people putting Prince in this thread now. WIG SNATCHING!

Now y'all done REALLY did it.

They were basically saying: "Go on, boy witcha bad sef!"

SCNDLS said:

Timmy84 said:

Prince kicked ass on that thing and yeah they definitely encouraged it.

Oh shit people putting Prince in this thread now. WIG SNATCHING!

Now y'all done REALLY did it.

They were basically saying: "Go on, boy witcha bad sef!"

allsmutaside said:

TD3 said:

I thought about the George Harrison's tribute when I read your post, I wasn't sure.

OH YES, I do recall, uh that's different.

My, my, my...

Who had Prince's back when he leaned backwards playing and where did that gee-tar go when he tossed it up into the air and walked off? I don't think Mr. Clapton was on stage, he just melted awaaaaaaaaaaay.

Can you post some video on this? It sounds very intereeeeeeeeesting.

I think I love Dhani Harrison. He is about to give me a stroke. His unadulterated joy at seeing Prince fall back into the waiting arms of whoever that was gives me hope for a brighter day, we are the world. Good on B. Knight for bringing this to our attention.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...oR6YQ1V8ks

SCNDLS said:

TD3 said:

I thought about the George Harrison's tribute when I read your post, I wasn't sure.

OH YES, I do recall, uh that's different.

My, my, my...

Who had Prince's back when he leaned backwards playing and where did that gee-tar go when he tossed it up into the air and walked off? I don't think Mr. Clapton was on stage, he just melted awaaaaaaaaaaay.

IIRC Eric Clapton was not involved or on stage during that tribute, it was Tom Petty and some other guys. IMO what P did was nothing like what Patti does. P was in the background and let every other player take their turn and do their thing. He laid in the cut, was barely visible in the shot on tv UNTIL it was his turn. They had him play last for a REASON so he could shut that shit down. And all the other guitarists especially George's son were encouraging P's performance. Patti's antics during tributes to others has been downright shameful IMO and the Celia tribute sealed it for me.

Big ol' load of BULLSHIT. Its a TRIBUTE. None of thwm knew what he was going to do. Wow, you don't have to flat out lie for Prince. It was a good performance but he WAS SHOWBOATING and to say otherwise is a flat out LIE.

BlaqueKnight said:

SCNDLS said:

IIRC Eric Clapton was not involved or on stage during that tribute, it was Tom Petty and some other guys. IMO what P did was nothing like what Patti does. P was in the background and let every other player take their turn and do their thing. He laid in the cut, was barely visible in the shot on tv UNTIL it was his turn. They had him play last for a REASON so he could shut that shit down. And all the other guitarists especially George's son were encouraging P's performance. Patti's antics during tributes to others has been downright shameful IMO and the Celia tribute sealed it for me.

Big ol' load of BULLSHIT. Its a TRIBUTE. None of thwm knew what he was going to do. Wow, you don't have to flat out lie for Prince. It was a good performance but he WAS SHOWBOATING and to say otherwise is a flat out LIE.

It was REHEARSED earlier that day so they knew EXACTLY what he was going to do. I've seen video of the soundcheck so I ain't got to lie. But go right ahead with your indignation.

BlaqueKnight said:

SCNDLS said:

IIRC Eric Clapton was not involved or on stage during that tribute, it was Tom Petty and some other guys. IMO what P did was nothing like what Patti does. P was in the background and let every other player take their turn and do their thing. He laid in the cut, was barely visible in the shot on tv UNTIL it was his turn. They had him play last for a REASON so he could shut that shit down. And all the other guitarists especially George's son were encouraging P's performance. Patti's antics during tributes to others has been downright shameful IMO and the Celia tribute sealed it for me.

Big ol' load of BULLSHIT. Its a TRIBUTE. None of thwm knew what he was going to do. Wow, you don't have to flat out lie for Prince. It was a good performance but he WAS SHOWBOATING and to say otherwise is a flat out LIE.

Yeah he may have been showboating, but he did a really good job of it, and it didn't seem to be at anyone else's expense to me. Tom Petty seemed to have been a little put out, but I think that Prince's level of talent would have paused him if Prince was standing still in a puddle of water waiting for the sun to come out.

BlaqueKnight said:

SCNDLS said:

IIRC Eric Clapton was not involved or on stage during that tribute, it was Tom Petty and some other guys. IMO what P did was nothing like what Patti does. P was in the background and let every other player take their turn and do their thing. He laid in the cut, was barely visible in the shot on tv UNTIL it was his turn. They had him play last for a REASON so he could shut that shit down. And all the other guitarists especially George's son were encouraging P's performance. Patti's antics during tributes to others has been downright shameful IMO and the Celia tribute sealed it for me.

Big ol' load of BULLSHIT. Its a TRIBUTE. None of thwm knew what he was going to do. Wow, you don't have to flat out lie for Prince. It was a good performance but he WAS SHOWBOATING and to say otherwise is a flat out LIE.

U comparing Prince's performance 2 that SHIT Patty does?

SCNDLS said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Big ol' load of BULLSHIT. Its a TRIBUTE. None of thwm knew what he was going to do. Wow, you don't have to flat out lie for Prince. It was a good performance but he WAS SHOWBOATING and to say otherwise is a flat out LIE.

It was REHEARSED earlier that day so they knew EXACTLY what he was going to do. I've seen video of the soundcheck so I ain't got to lie. But go right ahead with your indignation.

It was scripted..........4 sho.