1. I'd bet my last dollar that Patti was an influence on Ledisi.

2. She'd be lucky in this day and age to have a career like Patti has had.

Nick715 said:

That's what the world needs, anoher crazy old black bitch.

What's race got to do with it. Or even gender.

I've seen a plethora of those in all colors and both sexes.

I don't understand why there's so much hate for Patti on the org. The woman has always been able to and STILL can sing as well as blow most singers out the water to this very day. She sings from the heart and can really belt out a note. She never had to do choreographed dance steps to sell an album, nor have to prance around half naked to get a record deal (or to keep one for that matter). She's endured a lot in her life and career and she has all of my respect. Yes she has diva like behavior at times but what living legend doesn't? Even MJ had some diva moments.

As far as Ledisi goes, I've never heard her live but I do think she's a good singer. I think her path and the path that Patti has built her career on are two different ones, but I kind of see where she's coming from as far as her singing pipes go.

missfee said:

I don't understand why there's so much hate for Patti on the org.

Speaking only 4 myself, I like Patti when she is singing in a "normal" tone, but she starts all of that ablib stuff, it turns me off. All I hear at that point is a bunch of SCREAMING. She is not very good at adlibing live songs in my opinion.

The second part is, I only like about 5% if her recorded material. 4 the most part her music bores me 2 tears. Does she have talent? Yes. Does it move me? No.

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Graycap23 said:

missfee said:

I don't understand why there's so much hate for Patti on the org.

Speaking only 4 myself, I like Patti when she is singing in a "normal" tone, but she starts all of that ablib stuff, it turns me off. All I hear at that point is a bunch of SCREAMING. She is not very good at adlibing live songs in my opinion.

The second part is, I only like about 5% if her recorded material. 4 the most part her music bores me 2 tears. Does he have talent? Yes. Does it move me? No.

please tell me you're not calling her a man,lol

SoulAlive said:

Graycap23 said:

Speaking only 4 myself, I like Patti when she is singing in a "normal" tone, but she starts all of that ablib stuff, it turns me off. All I hear at that point is a bunch of SCREAMING. She is not very good at adlibing live songs in my opinion.

The second part is, I only like about 5% if her recorded material. 4 the most part her music bores me 2 tears. Does he have talent? Yes. Does it move me? No.

please tell me you're not calling her a man,lol

No.........that was my BAD typing skills.

Graycap23 said:

missfee said:

I don't understand why there's so much hate for Patti on the org.

Speaking only 4 myself, I like Patti when she is singing in a "normal" tone, but she starts all of that ablib stuff, it turns me off. All I hear at that point is a bunch of SCREAMING. She is not very good at adlibing live songs in my opinion.

The second part is, I only like about 5% if her recorded material. 4 the most part her music bores me 2 tears. Does he have talent? Yes. Does it move me? No.

I think she's screaming MOST of the time. I don't hate Patti but I don't get why she gets the legend label at all. I've seen them both live and Ledisi's vocal quality/tone and stage presence kills Patti IMO. Plus I can't stand Patti's forever showboating behavior at the most inappropriate times like during Celia Cruz's tribute and Luther's funeral.

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:

Speaking only 4 myself, I like Patti when she is singing in a "normal" tone, but she starts all of that ablib stuff, it turns me off. All I hear at that point is a bunch of SCREAMING. She is not very good at adlibing live songs in my opinion.

The second part is, I only like about 5% if her recorded material. 4 the most part her music bores me 2 tears. Does he have talent? Yes. Does it move me? No.

I think she's screaming MOST of the time. I don't hate Patti but I don't get why she gets the legend label at all. I've seen them both live and Ledisi's vocal quality/tone and stage presence kills Patti IMO. Plus I can't stand Patti's forever showboating behavior at the most inappropriate times like during Celia Cruz's tribute and Luther's funeral.

Agreed.

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:

Speaking only 4 myself, I like Patti when she is singing in a "normal" tone, but she starts all of that ablib stuff, it turns me off. All I hear at that point is a bunch of SCREAMING. She is not very good at adlibing live songs in my opinion.

The second part is, I only like about 5% if her recorded material. 4 the most part her music bores me 2 tears. Does he have talent? Yes. Does it move me? No.

I think she's screaming MOST of the time. I don't hate Patti but I don't get why she gets the legend label at all. I've seen them both live and Ledisi's vocal quality/tone and stage presence kills Patti IMO. Plus I can't stand Patti's forever showboating behavior at the most inappropriate times like during Celia Cruz's tribute and Luther's funeral.

@ THIS enitre thread, not just the post I'm about to respond to.

Soul screaming AND hooping & holling are two different things.

Patti LeBelle is a soul scream.

Teena Marie (rest in peace) was a soul scream.

Chaka Khan is a soul scream.

Fantasia is a soul scream

Janis Jophin (rest in peace) was hooping & holling! But THAT'S another thread for a later date.

The point is soul screaming is a traditional part of classic r&b/soul music. If most of you cannot understand it or feeling it in your soul (pun intended), then you do not understand black music. Period.

And yes, I will say "black" music because traditionally it was black folks throughout the centuries within different genres (gospel, blues, jazz, funk, etc.) founded by black folks that were responsible for making soul screaming an artform. So why hate on it?!?

[Edited 7/20/11 7:45am]

TonyVanDam said:

SCNDLS said:

I think she's screaming MOST of the time. I don't hate Patti but I don't get why she gets the legend label at all. I've seen them both live and Ledisi's vocal quality/tone and stage presence kills Patti IMO. Plus I can't stand Patti's forever showboating behavior at the most inappropriate times like during Celia Cruz's tribute and Luther's funeral.

If most of you cannot understand it or feeling it in your soul (pun intended), then you do not under black music. Period.

Nonsense.

TonyVanDam said:

SCNDLS said:

I think she's screaming MOST of the time. I don't hate Patti but I don't get why she gets the legend label at all. I've seen them both live and Ledisi's vocal quality/tone and stage presence kills Patti IMO. Plus I can't stand Patti's forever showboating behavior at the most inappropriate times like during Celia Cruz's tribute and Luther's funeral.

@ THIS enitre thread, not just the post I'm about to respond to.

Soul screaming AND hooping & holling are two different things.

Patti LeBelle is a soul scream.

Teena Marie (rest in peace) was a soul scream.

Chaka Khan is a soul scream.

Fantasia is a soul scream

Janis Jophin (rest in peace) was hooping & holling! But THAT'S another thread for a later date.

The point is soul screaming is a traditional part of classic r&b/soul music. If most of you cannot understand it or feeling it in your soul (pun intended), then you do not under black music. Period.

And yes, I will say "black" music because traditionally it was black folks throughout the centuries within different genres (gospel, blues, jazz, funk, etc.) founded by black folks that were responsible for making soul screaming an artform. So why hate on it?!?

thank you.

I mean really... historic common sense put in perspective. You can hear soul scream in most Back churches every Sunday, there nothing new up under the sun. So save me the drivel...

What I welll say is the theatrics that LaBelle is known for has come late in her career. I do agree with SCNDLS assesment on the showboating and/or showing up another performer in most instances is, tacky and tasteless. It's been my own personal experience and observation that LaBelle "really shows out" when there's lights, camara, and action.

I don't see how Ledisi is the next PATTI. I love my momma Patti but sometimes she just says stuff in the heat of the convo.

To me the next person who could even come close is Fantasia.. for the sheer fact of her spontanity and catching the spirit while performing as Patti always does. However vocally.. no one will EVER, EVER do for me what Patti has done. She is an American Treasure..and the most underrated vocalist in american history!!

[Edited 7/20/11 7:20am]

bellanoche said:

Nick715 said:

That's what the world needs, anoher crazy old black bitch.

What an unnecessary, rude, ignorant and offensive remark.

Patti LaBelle is a living legend - a true talent who with an amazing voice and showmanship that puts the vast majority of singers past and present to shame. I just saw her in concert for the first time last Saturday and she was fantastic. Her catalog speaks for itself. She is a veteran who has survived 50 years in the music industry and 67 years on this planet. She is regal - a beautiful, talented and gracious black woman who deserves more respect.

By the way, I saw Ledisi live a month ago and she is very talented and a great performer. I think it is a compliment for a legend like Patti to acknowledge her gifts. She's no Patti, but she has a long road ahead of her. I am sure she will create her own legacy. I doubt Ledisi sees Patti the way you do.

[Edited 7/19/11 18:04pm]

AMEN! I'll take Patti on her worst day than over Beyonce on her best day.

[Edited 7/20/11 7:21am]

TonyVanDam said:

SCNDLS said:

I think she's screaming MOST of the time. I don't hate Patti but I don't get why she gets the legend label at all. I've seen them both live and Ledisi's vocal quality/tone and stage presence kills Patti IMO. Plus I can't stand Patti's forever showboating behavior at the most inappropriate times like during Celia Cruz's tribute and Luther's funeral.

@ THIS enitre thread, not just the post I'm about to respond to.

Soul screaming AND hooping & holling are two different things.

Patti LeBelle is a soul scream.

Teena Marie (rest in peace) was a soul scream.

Chaka Khan is a soul scream.

Fantasia is a soul scream

Janis Jophin (rest in peace) was hooping & holling! But THAT'S another thread for a later date.

The point is soul screaming is a traditional part of classic r&b/soul music. If most of you cannot understand it or feeling it in your soul (pun intended), then you do not under black music. Period.

And yes, I will say "black" music because traditionally it was black folks throughout the centuries within different genres (gospel, blues, jazz, funk, etc.) founded by black folks that were responsible for making soul screaming an artform. So why hate on it?!?

I dont get when people say she screams.

Logically I understand that however emotionally what I feel when she sings.. I dont feel like its screaming.

I thinking her style of singing is the traditional manner of which african americans sing. The church influence shines thru. every modern genre of black music today.

I think that this is the reason Patti was never really able to cross over and have main stream support. I still hear people saying "Wasnt she a one hit wonder" and I am shocked at that. And Patti herself has said that she felt that it was because her vocals were "Too Black" and that is why she never had the success she deserved. I whole heartedly agree..

But to me, f*** the crossover success..she is a powerhouse.. a voice that no one can touch.. probably never will

[Edited 7/20/11 7:26am]

Graycap23 said:

TonyVanDam said:

If most of you cannot understand it or feeling it in your soul (pun intended), then you do not understand black music. Period.

Nonsense.

I stand by my words.

TonyVanDam said:

Graycap23 said:

Nonsense.

I stand by my words.

There are artist who KNOW how 2 adlib and artist that don't.

Listen 2 Stokley, Fantasia, Ledisi, Frank McComb, Aretha, Chaka, Tonex, Rahsaan Patterson...........if u want lessons.

TonyVanDam said:

Graycap23 said:

Nonsense.

I stand by my words.

I agree actually.. If you dont feel it ... you dont feel it. I find that alot of people cant appreciate black music cuz they just dont feel it.. to each his own.

However, I AM just so blessed I FEEL IT. Thank you JESUS!

isthisdadawn said:

TonyVanDam said:

I stand by my words.

I agree actually.. If you dont feel it ... you dont feel it. I find that alot of people cant appreciate black music cuz they just dont feel it.. to each his own.

However, I AM just so blessed I FEEL IT. Thank you JESUS!

Lol.....my problem is not feeling it...it's getting the blood out of my ears when Patti goes on a aural rampage.

TonyVanDam said:

SCNDLS said:

I think she's screaming MOST of the time. I don't hate Patti but I don't get why she gets the legend label at all. I've seen them both live and Ledisi's vocal quality/tone and stage presence kills Patti IMO. Plus I can't stand Patti's forever showboating behavior at the most inappropriate times like during Celia Cruz's tribute and Luther's funeral.

@ THIS enitre thread, not just the post I'm about to respond to.

Soul screaming AND hooping & holling are two different things.

Patti LeBelle is a soul scream.

Teena Marie (rest in peace) was a soul scream.

Chaka Khan is a soul scream.

Fantasia is a soul scream

Janis Jophin (rest in peace) was hooping & holling! But THAT'S another thread for a later date.

The point is soul screaming is a traditional part of classic r&b/soul music. If most of you cannot understand it or feeling it in your soul (pun intended), then you do not understand black music. Period.

And yes, I will say "black" music because traditionally it was black folks throughout the centuries within different genres (gospel, blues, jazz, funk, etc.) founded by black folks that were responsible for making soul screaming an artform. So why hate on it?!?

[Edited 7/20/11 7:45am]

None of this has shit to do with why I don't like Patti and is completely irrelevant. But that's typical Tony. Where is it written that all black people have to like the same ANYTHING? And you sure as hell aren't the arbiter of what I feel in MY soul or what I should consider an artform.

Graycap23 said:

isthisdadawn said:

I agree actually.. If you dont feel it ... you dont feel it. I find that alot of people cant appreciate black music cuz they just dont feel it.. to each his own.

However, I AM just so blessed I FEEL IT. Thank you JESUS!

Lol.....my problem is not feeling it...it's getting the blood out of my ears when Patti goes on a aural rampage.

Ah.. okay.. again, if you think your ears are bleeding.. you aint feeling it..

Graycap23 said:

TonyVanDam said:

I stand by my words.

There are artist who KNOW how 2 adlib and artist that don't.

Listen 2 Stokley, Fantasia, Ledisi, Frank McComb, Aretha, Chaka, Tonex, Rahsaan Patterson...........if u want lessons.

Solid.

Graycap23 said:

TonyVanDam said:

I stand by my words.

There are artist who KNOW how 2 adlib and artist that don't.

Listen 2 Stokley, Fantasia, Ledisi, Frank McComb, Aretha, Chaka, Tonex, Rahsaan Patterson...........if u want lessons.

Stokley

[Edited 7/20/11 8:35am]

SCNDLS said:

TonyVanDam said:

@ THIS enitre thread, not just the post I'm about to respond to.

Soul screaming AND hooping & holling are two different things.

Patti LeBelle is a soul scream.

Teena Marie (rest in peace) was a soul scream.

Chaka Khan is a soul scream.

Fantasia is a soul scream

Janis Jophin (rest in peace) was hooping & holling! But THAT'S another thread for a later date.

The point is soul screaming is a traditional part of classic r&b/soul music. If most of you cannot understand it or feeling it in your soul (pun intended), then you do not understand black music. Period.

And yes, I will say "black" music because traditionally it was black folks throughout the centuries within different genres (gospel, blues, jazz, funk, etc.) founded by black folks that were responsible for making soul screaming an artform. So why hate on it?!?

[Edited 7/20/11 7:45am]

None of this has shit to do with why I don't like Patti and is completely irrelevant. But that's typical Tony. Where is it written that all black people have to like the same ANYTHING? And you sure as hell aren't the arbiter of what I feel in MY soul or what I should consider an artform.

Excuse you, but I don't recall saying a damn thing like THAT^. So stop putting freaking words in my mouth.

TonyVanDam said:

SCNDLS said:

None of this has shit to do with why I don't like Patti and is completely irrelevant. But that's typical Tony. Where is it written that all black people have to like the same ANYTHING? And you sure as hell aren't the arbiter of what I feel in MY soul or what I should consider an artform.

Excuse you, but I don't recall saying a damn thing like THAT^. So stop putting freaking words in my mouth.

I ain't puttin' nothing in your mouth:

"The point is soul screaming is a traditional part of classic r&b/soul music. If most of you cannot understand it or feeling it in your soul (pun intended), then you do not understand black music. Period."

And this is YOUR opinion not a fact.

TD3 said:

What I welll say is the theatrics that LaBelle is known for has come late in her career. I do agree with SCNDLS assesment on the showboating and/or showing up another performer in most instances is, tacky and tasteless. It's been my own personal experience and observation that LaBelle "really shows out" when there's lights, camara, and action.

You mean like how Prince did at the Eric Clapton tribte, right?

SCNDLS said:

TonyVanDam said:

Excuse you, but I don't recall saying a damn thing like THAT^. So stop putting freaking words in my mouth.

I ain't puttin' nothing in your mouth:

"The point is soul screaming is a traditional part of classic r&b/soul music. If most of you cannot understand it or feeling it in your soul (pun intended), then you do not understand black music. Period."

And this is YOUR opinion not a fact.

And I also say the following paragraph thereafter:

"And yes, I will say "black" music because traditionally it was black folks throughout the centuries within different genres (gospel, blues, jazz, funk, etc.) founded by black folks that were responsible for making soul screaming an artform. So why hate on it?!?"

Based upon your negative attitude about REAL American music history (especially black music history), I say it again, this time right at you SCNDLS with no apologies: "So why hate on it?".

TonyVanDam said:

SCNDLS said:

I ain't puttin' nothing in your mouth:

"The point is soul screaming is a traditional part of classic r&b/soul music. If most of you cannot understand it or feeling it in your soul (pun intended), then you do not understand black music. Period."

And this is YOUR opinion not a fact.

And I also say the following paragraph thereafter:

"And yes, I will say "black" music because traditionally it was black folks throughout the centuries within different genres (gospel, blues, jazz, funk, etc.) founded by black folks that were responsible for making soul screaming an artform. So why hate on it?!?"

Based upon your negative attitude about REAL American music history (especially black music history), I say it again, this time right at you SCNDLS with no apologies: "So why hate on it?".

So cuz I don't like Patti I hate and don't understand all black music??? That's some mo' ridiculous shit. But again, typical. I didn't know that an opinion of ONE singer equated to hating all black music. But it makes sense in Tony's world which proves that I don't even need to bother discussing it.

BlaqueKnight said:

TD3 said:

What I welll say is the theatrics that LaBelle is known for has come late in her career. I do agree with SCNDLS assesment on the showboating and/or showing up another performer in most instances is, tacky and tasteless. It's been my own personal experience and observation that LaBelle "really shows out" when there's lights, camara, and action.

You mean like how Prince did at the Eric Clapton tribte, right?

Did Prince really outshine Eric Clapton? Or is this just a bad rumor?

I've never seen the incident, so that's why I'm asking.

SCNDLS said:

TonyVanDam said:

Excuse you, but I don't recall saying a damn thing like THAT^. So stop putting freaking words in my mouth.

I ain't puttin' nothing in your mouth:

"The point is soul screaming is a traditional part of classic r&b/soul music. If most of you cannot understand it or feeling it in your soul (pun intended), then you do not understand black music. Period."

And this is YOUR opinion not a fact.

No, it IS fact.

It is not an opinion that soul screaming has been a part of classic R&B/Soul music as well as part of the black church. While I agree that not liking it and not understanding it are two different things, it is a commonality that we share culturally that is just "understood" from haaving a common culture. While it certainly doesn't mean that you have to like it (or Patti for that matter), not understanding it means you missed something in class (culturally) because it IS a part of black American culture.

SCNDLS said:

TonyVanDam said:

And I also say the following paragraph thereafter:

"And yes, I will say "black" music because traditionally it was black folks throughout the centuries within different genres (gospel, blues, jazz, funk, etc.) founded by black folks that were responsible for making soul screaming an artform. So why hate on it?!?"

Based upon your negative attitude about REAL American music history (especially black music history), I say it again, this time right at you SCNDLS with no apologies: "So why hate on it?".

So cuz I don't like Patti I hate and don't understand all black music??? That's some mo' ridiculous shit. But again, typical. I didn't know that an opinion of ONE singer equated to hating all black music. But it makes sense in Tony's world which proves that I don't even need to bother discussing it.

Well maybe if you (as one of Patti's negative critics) were a little more specific about what you like OR dislike about Patti as a vocalist, then maybe I will not have to point out the obvious problems and/or misunderstanting that some people (especially the few white people that I've known in my life that have complain about Patti to my face) have about Patti's vocal dynamics.

Don't hate on me because I understand AND know the black experience better than you do SCNDLS. You just be wasting you time making me into the enemy that I'm not.

Just saying.

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