That being said, granted that none of the above women are powerhouse singers, at least they can stay on key unlike some recently highly praised singers I know off...
you guys act like janet's voice is so terrible, I actually love her voice on the VR, A4U and DJ albums, her voice definitly improved since the start of her career.
its so soothing and peaceful.. I love it. Especially when i hear her sing the song "Nothing".
I met Mary when she first started out - BEFORE WHAT'S THE 411, before the drugs and the depression, etc. She could sing back then just fine. Every singer has a bad day, week, etc. She's no Patti but she's no Cassie, either.
Because, like, isn't she the worst female singer to have had her voice all on a number 1 song? I used to have this running joke, sort of, back in the day where I would ask people if they had heard that Janet and T-Boz were working on a song together and then at people's reactions.
Anyway... yeah, T-Boz sucks. So why does she always get a pass when talking about awful female singers?
I can't even listen to TLC because of her wack ass singing. I think Janet, Paula, and Britney sound better than her
That entire night was Mary J. (and Whitney) at their worst (least as live performing on TV goes). Mary was feeling herself a LITTLE TOO MUCH that night and instead of just singing, she was screaming. God you should have heard her during "No More Drama". She's gotten better with performances of that song since. 2003 (and 2004) was a tough year for her.
I met Mary when she first started out - BEFORE WHAT'S THE 411, before the drugs and the depression, etc. She could sing back then just fine. Every singer has a bad day, week, etc. She's no Patti but she's no Cassie, either.
Yeah Mary can sing but sometimes she overuses it (much like Patti and Chaka - at times).
Can't sing? Never heard that. A third or so of the R&B chicks out now are imitating Mary.
I know alot of people who think mary j cant sing.
mostly the 45 and older crowd ( lol my dad)
I HATE THAT VOICE.
To me, she's always a little "flat" or something.
She reminds me of that lady in the choir who always grabs the mic, thinking that a song can't get done without her...
After church folks are talking about how she "sang", but truth is, she jumped, shouted, sweated, and acted a fool until her wig was crooked... But sang? No.
And pickles... I'll be 44 next month.
"Love Hurts.
Your lies, they cut me.
Now your words don't mean a thing.
I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..."
She reminds me of that lady in the choir who always grabs the mic, thinking that a song can't get done without her...
After church folks are talking about how she "sang", but truth is, she jumped, shouted, sweated, and acted a fool until her wig was crooked... But sang? No.
And pickles... I'll be 44 next month.
You know your description of Mary ain't that far off! In fact there's other singers who totally remind me of that!!!
I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT! RIP Dick Clark, Whitney Houston, Don Cornelius, Heavy D, and Donna Summer.
Because she can sing. her voice is not to everyone's taste, but she can sing.
Always thought she has a very sexy voice....she can sing
It IS sexy. "Creep"... goddamn. Same with "Red Light Special". Of course she's not gonna sing like Chilli but I don't care lol I was always a T-Boz fan anyway lol she should do a funk album or something. I don't think hip-hop/corn&B suits her at all.
I met Mary when she first started out - BEFORE WHAT'S THE 411, before the drugs and the depression, etc. She could sing back then just fine. Every singer has a bad day, week, etc. She's no Patti but she's no Cassie, either.
Yeah Mary can sing but sometimes she overuses it (much like Patti and Chaka - at times).
I have MAJOR issues with that whitewashed term "oversinging". Because I grew up in church, I refuse to let some culture vulture who don't know a damn thing about the culture tell ME how black folks are supposed to sing. (I'm not referring specifically to you, Timmy) Church style singing has always been a part of the black community and while I may not dig all of it myself all of the the time, I have great resentment for some clowns who know nothing about what they are criticizing try to socially demonize it because they themselves can't do it well. I don't run around telling country singers they sing too "twangy" or drag their syllables out too long and I'll be damned if I listen to some British douchebag from a television show or some half-singing ass washed up ex-pop star try to demonize church style singing because its not what THEY are used to. I can go through the pop and rock charts and find dozens of can't-sing ass bitches caterwalling all over the mic, off key and all and nobody even brings them up. Its always "this R&B singer is oversinging" or "that R&B singer is oversinging". Mainstreamers always want to discredit anything they didn't have a hand in but at the same time are quick as hell to "borrow" from it when it suits them. Even black folks who know where these singers' styles came from will dog them out just to fit in as a token. I'm not speaking specifically about Mary J., but about R&B singers in general.
I guess its only cool when white singers imitate that style of singing?
And don't anybody try to eliminate race from a conversation that is VERY rooted in specific culture.
^ That's an interesting way of looking at it, and when white people "oversing" as they do on American Idol, I feel like they are imitating black singers and not original. And I have heard of fans saying MJ oversings, but his voice is great and he does different things with it. I heard stories on this board about people on urban radio not liking Black or White cause of the style and his singing, and I thought that was really silly when blacks were doing rock and roll.
Yeah Mary can sing but sometimes she overuses it (much like Patti and Chaka - at times).
I have MAJOR issues with that whitewashed term "oversinging". Because I grew up in church, I refuse to let some culture vulture who don't know a damn thing about the culture tell ME how black folks are supposed to sing. (I'm not referring specifically to you, Timmy) Church style singing has always been a part of the black community and while I may not dig all of it myself all of the the time, I have great resentment for some clowns who know nothing about what they are criticizing try to socially demonize it because they themselves can't do it well. I don't run around telling country singers they sing too "twangy" or drag their syllables out too long and I'll be damned if I listen to some British douchebag from a television show or some half-singing ass washed up ex-pop star try to demonize church style singing because its not what THEY are used to. I can go through the pop and rock charts and find dozens of can't-sing ass bitches caterwalling all over the mic, off key and all and nobody even brings them up. Its always "this R&B singer is oversinging" or "that R&B singer is oversinging". Mainstreamers always want to discredit anything they didn't have a hand in but at the same time are quick as hell to "borrow" from it when it suits them. Even black folks who know where these singers' styles came from will dog them out just to fit in as a token. I'm not speaking specifically about Mary J., but about R&B singers in general.
I guess its only cool when white singers imitate that style of singing?
And don't anybody try to eliminate race from a conversation that is VERY rooted in specific culture.
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I would have a problem with any singer of color singing beyond their ranges. I had as much of a problem with Celine Dion doing it as I had with Mary on some corners.
Yeah Mary can sing but sometimes she overuses it (much like Patti and Chaka - at times).
I have MAJOR issues with that whitewashed term "oversinging". Because I grew up in church, I refuse to let some culture vulture who don't know a damn thing about the culture tell ME how black folks are supposed to sing. (I'm not referring specifically to you, Timmy) Church style singing has always been a part of the black community and while I may not dig all of it myself all of the the time, I have great resentment for some clowns who know nothing about what they are criticizing try to socially demonize it because they themselves can't do it well. I don't run around telling country singers they sing too "twangy" or drag their syllables out too long and I'll be damned if I listen to some British douchebag from a television show or some half-singing ass washed up ex-pop star try to demonize church style singing because its not what THEY are used to. I can go through the pop and rock charts and find dozens of can't-sing ass bitches caterwalling all over the mic, off key and all and nobody even brings them up. Its always "this R&B singer is oversinging" or "that R&B singer is oversinging". Mainstreamers always want to discredit anything they didn't have a hand in but at the same time are quick as hell to "borrow" from it when it suits them. Even black folks who know where these singers' styles came from will dog them out just to fit in as a token. I'm not speaking specifically about Mary J., but about R&B singers in general.
I guess its only cool when white singers imitate that style of singing?
And don't anybody try to eliminate race from a conversation that is VERY rooted in specific culture.
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I agree with you, but there are times when I feel someone is, genuinely, oversinging though. What's a good example? The We Are The World remake. A lot of them oversang their part to the point where it made the song fall flat. There was also this trend going on in 90s r&b where they would stretch out the not for a bit or something. They stopped doing that overall though. There are some people who have adopted that style and don't apply it effectively. Like, Utada Hikaru. I get so annoyed I just want her to get to the next lyric already.
As for Mary J. I think her singing has greatly improved since she started, but I preferred her when she first started out. I thought that the grit in her voice...even if she was flat a lot, gave it a lot more character. I could feel what she was singing.
I'm confused, does T-Boz have a new song out or something? If not, then why are we decrying a woman who for all intents & purposes had seem to basically retired from the spotlight? T-Boz's singing wasn't impressive, but it was distinctive. You knew it when you heard it. I'd rather listen to her sing a song than Janet, Britney or Paula.
I'm confused, does T-Boz have a new song out or something? If not, then why are we decrying a woman who for all intents & purposes had seem to basically retired from the spotlight? T-Boz's singing wasn't impressive, but it was distinctive. You knew it when you heard it. I'd rather listen to her sing a song than Janet, Britney or Paula.
According to sources I heard, T-Boz is working on a new solo disc at this very moment but yeah I like her voice.
I'm confused, does T-Boz have a new song out or something? If not, then why are we decrying a woman who for all intents & purposes had seem to basically retired from the spotlight? T-Boz's singing wasn't impressive, but it was distinctive. You knew it when you heard it. I'd rather listen to her sing a song than Janet, Britney or Paula.
Because this is a music forum, without any statute of limitations. And Sarah Palin has a distinctive voice, too. You know it when you hear it. The record company execs are missing out something out big time, boy I'm tellin' ya!
I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
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She makes my teeth hurt. 
I used to have this running joke, sort of, back in the day where I would ask people if they had heard that Janet and T-Boz were working on a song together and then 
at people's reactions.
yeah, T-Boz sucks. So why does she always get a pass when talking about awful female singers?
Mary was feeling herself a LITTLE TOO MUCH that night and instead of just singing, she was screaming. God you should have heard her during "No More Drama". She's gotten better with performances of that song since. 2003 (and 2004) was a tough year for her. 
