So i bought this album recently and to say i'm obsessed with it is.... an understatement. This album is very artsy and ambitious and is just fantastic, Terence is some kind of musical psycho batshit crazy beast thing. He play guitar, kazoo, saxophone, fender rhodes sitar, scratching, timpani, guitar, drums, percussion, piano, organ.

This album of course was after Terences big ego boost and continued run of the mouth, not to mention rumors of CBS being threatened by him as Bad was approaching but eh who knows or cares.

This album is hella ambitious and the opening track is a great instrumental with Terences vocals creeping in, there is some great funky jams like Roly Poly & I'll Be Alright. Beautiful ballads like It Feels So Good To love Someone and To Know Someone Deeply to the political I Have Faith In These Desolate Times.

It is really to bad that his ego got in the way this is one hell of an album! and his next Symphony Or Damn from what i have heard of it is killer.

It's a shame this album wasn't as huge as it could have been in my opinion it is more ambitious then Bad records, it's just as powerful as some of Princes stuff on Sign, and musician is as top notch as U2 from that era. but it is more of a Frank Zappa/Captain Beefheart meets James Brown then Prince.

No one has heard this album?=p

I've always liked it

It's the worst record of his first 4, but it's not bad at all. "To Know Someone Deeply..." is one of the best things he's ever done. If you haven't heard Symphony or Damn or Vibrator, you're in for a real treat!

I like it better than Vibrator but i know i'm in the minority. I do think Symphony or Damn is probably his best work overall.

NoVideo said:

I like it better than Vibrator but i know i'm in the minority. I do think Symphony or Damn is probably his best work overall.

I'm with you on SOD, but I think V is way better than NFNF.

AlexdeParis said:

NoVideo said:

I like it better than Vibrator but i know i'm in the minority. I do think Symphony or Damn is probably his best work overall.

I'm with you on SOD, but I think V is way better than NFNF.

So far what i heard from SOD it is incredible! and after only 6 tracks perhaps better then Fish already!, Fish just really caught my imagination & SOD has done it even more. I think this guy is a genius i want check out his 00's work to! any word on that?

Gunsnhalen said:

AlexdeParis said:

I'm with you on SOD, but I think V is way better than NFNF.

So far what i heard from SOD it is incredible! and after only 6 tracks perhaps better then Fish already!, Fish just really caught my imagination & SOD has done it even more. I think this guy is a genius i want check out his 00's work to! any word on that?

Well... opinions vary, but I'd say it's hit or miss. I would just enjoy discovering the two great albums you have in front of you now.

I used to listen to NFNF all the time. I only have it on vinyl, so I don't play it that often these days.

I played This Side of Love constantly when I got that album! Pick up the needle, put it back to the beginning, and play it again.

Love it. I was also obsessed with it for a long time, but it was when it was first released. I always loved the sequencing of it, the way it really builds up to the mid-point and then takes you gently back down. For me, it's his best... although some others come close.

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Damn, i completely forgot about this album, i don't have it, will have to get it along with SOD as i only have it on cassette (remember those )

Imaginative said:

Love it. I was also obsessed with it for a long time, but it was when it was first released. I always loved the sequencing of it, the way it really builds up to the mid-point and then takes you gently back down. For me, it's his best... although some others come close.

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I'm obsessed with it like crazy right now lol

bigd74 said:

Damn, i completely forgot about this album, i don't have it, will have to get it along with SOD as i only have it on cassette (remember those )

I do and i'm only 20 ahahah

AlexdeParis said:

It's the worst record of his first 4, but it's not bad at all. "To Know Someone Deeply..." is one of the best things he's ever done. If you haven't heard Symphony or Damn or Vibrator, you're in for a real treat!

I agree completely.

well i got Nether Fish.. and it's a bit meh, well it's ok but thank god for Symphony Or Damn, i had forgotten how good that album is, it must be 15 years since i had heard it and i really enjoyable, especially Penelope Please and Do You Love Me..., crackin stuff.

Man, Neither Fish Nor Flesh is a masterpiece. I was 12 when it came out and it was such a discovery... I don't know if someone out there agrees, but I think is Terence's BEST effort. Ambitious, exuberant, arrogant... I love it.

I also love the first one, also Symphony Or Damn but a bit less, and Vibrator... quite good, but a bit disappointing in my opinion.

This guy was the only who could compete with Prince in the 80's, at least for four years (1987-1990).

Neither Fish Nor Flesh, had some fantastic tracks. In fact, some of my favorite from Trent.

But I would not call it a masterpiece.

This was during the time when he got into a whole phase of "experimenting". Sometimes it worked fantastically, but other times it kind of floundered.

Terence was a great songwriter and producer, but he was not consistently great like Prince, George Michael or other singer-songwriters of his time.

His best album of the first four, is by far, was his first, .."The Hardline".

All the songs on that album were focused, strong and distinctively cohesive as a whole package. Not just musically but also his look and visually in videos.

His next two efforts, Neither Fish Nor Flesh and Symphony Or Damn were a little patchy. Truly fantastic, impressive moments, surrounded by lots of interesting, but mundane ones.

Vibrator took him in a slightly different direction, but still the songwriting, while solid, still had no real commercial viability.

He did not have the ability to just churn out a hit song on a whim, like Prince or George.

I would say it was not until he changed his name to Sananda, and began releasing his albums independently , like with Wild Card and Angels & Vampires, etc., did he finally begin to blossom as a consistently great songwriter and producer.

That's my favorite TTD album too. My fav tracks are I'll Be Alright and To Love Someone Deeply. Way ahead of it's time.

JoeBala said:

That's my favorite TTD album too. My fav tracks are I'll Be Alright and To Love Someone Deeply. Way ahead of it's time.

I'll Be Alright is such a great track first time i heard it... had to repeat it like 10 times

Gunsnhalen said:

JoeBala said:

That's my favorite TTD album too. My fav tracks are I'll Be Alright and To Love Someone Deeply. Way ahead of it's time.

I'll Be Alright is such a great track first time i heard it... had to repeat it like 10 times

That song just takes you to church.

Love all of TTD's work....

Sananda....not so much.

It's a great album and it's a shame that it was so much less successful than Introducing, because it sure would have deserved more success. When it was released the direction he took with it it reminded me of what Prince did with releasing Around The world In A Day after the huge success of Purple Rain.

Serious said:

It's a great album and it's a shame that it was so much less successful than Introducing, because it sure would have deserved more success. When it was released the direction he took with it it reminded me of what Prince did with releasing Around The world In A Day after the huge success of Purple Rain.

Exactly. They even said similar things about it in intervies. Prince asked: how easy would have been to start the album (Around The World In A Day) with another Let's Go Crazy? And TTD said almost the same, this time with Wishing Well.

Actually, I prefer (although the distance is very short) TTD's second album to the first, as there are great tunes in both, but the sense of adventure of the second is awesome.

Javi said:

Serious said:

It's a great album and it's a shame that it was so much less successful than Introducing, because it sure would have deserved more success. When it was released the direction he took with it it reminded me of what Prince did with releasing Around The world In A Day after the huge success of Purple Rain.

Exactly. They even said similar things about it in intervies. Prince asked: how easy would have been to start the album (Around The World In A Day) with another Let's Go Crazy? And TTD said almost the same, this time with Wishing Well.

Actually, I prefer (although the distance is very short) TTD's second album to the first, as there are great tunes in both, but the sense of adventure of the second is awesome.

I am very happy that he went in a different dierection and I prefer NFNF to Introducing, even though that is also an awesome album .

my fav album by him. love the enchanting lyrics of roly poly, string arrangements swirling, backward drums, funky guitar, soulful and delicate singing, crazy instrumentation. its hard to find many albums like it. i loved it at the time and couldnt believe the flop it was. perhaps a bit too clever for the pop market.

It's my favorite of his from "Hardline" to "Wildcard" in all its weird incarnations.

I remember seeing the "NFNF" special on MTV on a saturday morning in the 1980s and thinking,"This album is gonna rock."

This album is great, but it's way too pretentious. I mean, I Have Faith In These Desolate Times? I Don't Want To Bring Your Gods Down? lol.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

This album is great, but it's way too pretentious. I mean, I Have Faith In These Desolate Times? I Don't Want To Bring Your Gods Down? lol.

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But that's what i love about it

Here's a commentary that Sananda has to say about the album

http://www.sanandamaitreya.com/albumscommentary.html

‘NFNF’ - By far the most intensely real, involved, and emotional project I’ve ever done. Despite Sony’s wholesale rejection of it (and yes, some money exchanged hands, just to make sure), no other recording has had so much pathos and passion attached to it. Although I’ve heard more from people about the first project, this project draws always the most committed and fervent reaction. Who loves this work, seems to REALLY love it. It either calls you, or it doesn’t. I can vividly recall being given use of a castle, by some friends of U2, in County Kilarney, outside of Dublin, and recording more than half of the project there, and in Windmill Lane, U2’s spot in fair Dublin town. I can remember coming downstairs for breakfast one morning and seeing what looked like a double image of myself staring back at me from the newspaper. Upon closer inspection it was discovered to be a group that I’d never heard of, ‘Milli Vanilli’, and I gulped to see how a whole persona and look could just be outright snatched from someone. To have stolen a TV set brings more penalty than stealing a whole life. Mixed and yellow niggers started appearing everywhere, when just 2 years before, all of us were told to piss off, that there were already the 1 token mulatto being presented in their media, and 1, is all you get. The gentlemen behind ‘Milli V’ was a producer, named Frank Farian, a German, who had had the ‘rights’ to an album that was recorded with ‘the Touch’, my German group. Of course, we begged him to put it out, and for every reason under the sun, he refused. Fast forward 3 weeks before the release of ‘NFNF’, and lo and behold out, in Germany (which had been once a huge market for us) came, THE REVENGE OF FARIAN! I was told that, the confusion surrounding the ‘Touch’ release, which sold apparently over 200,000 in over a week, doomed the promotion of ‘NFNF’, my ‘real’ second album. After this debacle, which many held ME responsible for, ignorantly, Master Farian then launched ‘Milli V’, and all of a sudden, I was being accused by the ignorant, of imitating them. As fate would have it, about a week before one of the gentlemen, ‘Fabrice’, would answer to his massive pain and take his own life, he called me to in effect, ‘apologize for being a part of the charade’. As I too was undergoing pretty intense depression, I’m sure that I wasn’t as much help to him as I may have otherwise been, but was moved that he cared to reach out to me and clear what of his conscience ailed him. Nevertheless, this project, I have been told, had a formative influence on both what subsequently became marketed as ‘Hip Hop’, as well as what was sold as ‘Grunge’. Relative modesty dictates the use of no names specifically, but at least 3 of the bands that came out of the Seattle scene, cite this record as one of the recordings which inspired their own lunacy. Another historical ‘tidbit’, the only stations that played this in America, were the NYC and LA initial ‘alternative’ stations, the ones that later ‘blew up’ the genre called ‘Grunge’. In many vital respects, Sananda’s first recorded works……. It would take a few years before a larger pattern of interference emerged in my life whereby I was able to see just how entirely political and racist the business of music was. As well as just how concerned some people and governments were about our influence as a ‘head’. The most fun I’ve ever had making a record, until earning my freedom as an artist, yet more as a man. Little did I know the chilling North wind which awaited its lacquering…. According to Japanese Brain specialists at one of the major brain centers of the whole of Asia, this record is a major part of the restructuring of traumatized patients. It totally makes sense, since I sustained major brain damage to get to it, and to get it out, then to just get through the shellacking I took for not repeating the same thing all over again. I only ever meant to release a collection of songs which could be danced to, while assisting with post adolescent bed wetting……. The record which I remain proudest of, although (no lie), I’ve not heard this (or any of my ‘records’ for that matter), for close to 20 years. Also my favourite ‘album’ cover. Enjoy (and no you don’t have to have a traumatised brain in order to appreciate the music, although I am told that it doesn’t hurt)! Why, I cannot attest, yet I usually receive the ‘blueprint’ of the next project, as I am midway through the one preceding. I can recall that, during the recording of ‘Hardline’, I were sitting at table, at home in Camden (Kentish Town Road), where I shared a ‘flat’ with my then manager, K.P. Schleinetz, his lovely wife and infant daughter. Helping me to finish a thought, Judith Schleinetz, her husband German/ Italian, she, Austrian replied that in German was an expression which summed up what I were describing, which translated back into English, came out as; ‘Neither Fish Nor Flesh’. A thing that is neither one thing or another, but a new beast entirely. Upon hearing the phrase, I was captivated and knew that it contained the seeds I would bear and incubate next…… Unbeknownst to me, even then were forces, dark working to alter my blessed situation. They would succeed. This album is the one, of necessity, closest to my heart. This was my ‘fatwa’ project. This the one where Orpheus descended into the Underground, and began his deepest meditation….. Life would once again, as with ‘Hardline’ dramatically shift with this project, this time, much closer to hell……… We believe this is the project that literally killed ‘TTD’, and from whose molten ashes, began the life of Sananda.

mynameisnotsusan said:

Here's a commentary that Sananda has to say about the album

http://www.sanandamaitreya.com/albumscommentary.html

‘NFNF’ - By far the most intensely real, involved, and emotional project I’ve ever done. Despite Sony’s wholesale rejection of it (and yes, some money exchanged hands, just to make sure), no other recording has had so much pathos and passion attached to it. Although I’ve heard more from people about the first project, this project draws always the most committed and fervent reaction. Who loves this work, seems to REALLY love it. It either calls you, or it doesn’t. I can vividly recall being given use of a castle, by some friends of U2, in County Kilarney, outside of Dublin, and recording more than half of the project there, and in Windmill Lane, U2’s spot in fair Dublin town. I can remember coming downstairs for breakfast one morning and seeing what looked like a double image of myself staring back at me from the newspaper. Upon closer inspection it was discovered to be a group that I’d never heard of, ‘Milli Vanilli’, and I gulped to see how a whole persona and look could just be outright snatched from someone. To have stolen a TV set brings more penalty than stealing a whole life. Mixed and yellow niggers started appearing everywhere, when just 2 years before, all of us were told to piss off, that there were already the 1 token mulatto being presented in their media, and 1, is all you get. The gentlemen behind ‘Milli V’ was a producer, named Frank Farian, a German, who had had the ‘rights’ to an album that was recorded with ‘the Touch’, my German group. Of course, we begged him to put it out, and for every reason under the sun, he refused. Fast forward 3 weeks before the release of ‘NFNF’, and lo and behold out, in Germany (which had been once a huge market for us) came, THE REVENGE OF FARIAN! I was told that, the confusion surrounding the ‘Touch’ release, which sold apparently over 200,000 in over a week, doomed the promotion of ‘NFNF’, my ‘real’ second album. After this debacle, which many held ME responsible for, ignorantly, Master Farian then launched ‘Milli V’, and all of a sudden, I was being accused by the ignorant, of imitating them. As fate would have it, about a week before one of the gentlemen, ‘Fabrice’, would answer to his massive pain and take his own life, he called me to in effect, ‘apologize for being a part of the charade’. As I too was undergoing pretty intense depression, I’m sure that I wasn’t as much help to him as I may have otherwise been, but was moved that he cared to reach out to me and clear what of his conscience ailed him. Nevertheless, this project, I have been told, had a formative influence on both what subsequently became marketed as ‘Hip Hop’, as well as what was sold as ‘Grunge’. Relative modesty dictates the use of no names specifically, but at least 3 of the bands that came out of the Seattle scene, cite this record as one of the recordings which inspired their own lunacy. Another historical ‘tidbit’, the only stations that played this in America, were the NYC and LA initial ‘alternative’ stations, the ones that later ‘blew up’ the genre called ‘Grunge’. In many vital respects, Sananda’s first recorded works……. It would take a few years before a larger pattern of interference emerged in my life whereby I was able to see just how entirely political and racist the business of music was. As well as just how concerned some people and governments were about our influence as a ‘head’. The most fun I’ve ever had making a record, until earning my freedom as an artist, yet more as a man. Little did I know the chilling North wind which awaited its lacquering…. According to Japanese Brain specialists at one of the major brain centers of the whole of Asia, this record is a major part of the restructuring of traumatized patients. It totally makes sense, since I sustained major brain damage to get to it, and to get it out, then to just get through the shellacking I took for not repeating the same thing all over again. I only ever meant to release a collection of songs which could be danced to, while assisting with post adolescent bed wetting……. The record which I remain proudest of, although (no lie), I’ve not heard this (or any of my ‘records’ for that matter), for close to 20 years. Also my favourite ‘album’ cover. Enjoy (and no you don’t have to have a traumatised brain in order to appreciate the music, although I am told that it doesn’t hurt)! Why, I cannot attest, yet I usually receive the ‘blueprint’ of the next project, as I am midway through the one preceding. I can recall that, during the recording of ‘Hardline’, I were sitting at table, at home in Camden (Kentish Town Road), where I shared a ‘flat’ with my then manager, K.P. Schleinetz, his lovely wife and infant daughter. Helping me to finish a thought, Judith Schleinetz, her husband German/ Italian, she, Austrian replied that in German was an expression which summed up what I were describing, which translated back into English, came out as; ‘Neither Fish Nor Flesh’. A thing that is neither one thing or another, but a new beast entirely. Upon hearing the phrase, I was captivated and knew that it contained the seeds I would bear and incubate next…… Unbeknownst to me, even then were forces, dark working to alter my blessed situation. They would succeed. This album is the one, of necessity, closest to my heart. This was my ‘fatwa’ project. This the one where Orpheus descended into the Underground, and began his deepest meditation….. Life would once again, as with ‘Hardline’ dramatically shift with this project, this time, much closer to hell……… We believe this is the project that literally killed ‘TTD’, and from whose molten ashes, began the life of Sananda.

Fascinating , Terence did have a HUGE EGO and that somewhat hurt him, but come on as is Prince didn't have ego lol. There where many factors, i mean Terence play's so many instruments it's mind boggling and his singing voice is.... wow especially on this album. This is an incredibly ambitious album with lots of love, and over ambition written all over it. I love every track and Terence being a great talent he was could have been seen as a threat cause he honestly could have been the ''one'' to go against Prince & M.J. and be on the same level of success but that doesn't matter. He did just fine without having to have a million number one hits and he had some minor success in the 90's any who.