I thought I read most of the Destiny album was recorded at the Encino home? Is this true? And there must be some outtakes from that album. Seems hard to believe whatever was worked on was what came out on that album.

Derek1984 said:

I thought I read most of the Destiny album was recorded at the Encino home? Is this true? And there must be some outtakes from that album. Seems hard to believe whatever was worked on was what came out on that album.

I have questions about that. I do think the demos were done in Hayvenhurst (like Thriller and Off the Wall were) but they probably recorded the finished versions at some outside L.A. studio like the studio where Thriller was mastered at.

Timmy84 said:

Derek1984 said:

I thought I read most of the Destiny album was recorded at the Encino home? Is this true? And there must be some outtakes from that album. Seems hard to believe whatever was worked on was what came out on that album.

I have questions about that. I do think the demos were done in Hayvenhurst (like Thriller and Off the Wall were) but they probably recorded the finished versions at some outside L.A. studio like the studio where Thriller was mastered at.

Yeah, you would think. It sounds like an orchestra was playing on Push Me Away.

Derek1984 said:

Timmy84 said:

I have questions about that. I do think the demos were done in Hayvenhurst (like Thriller and Off the Wall were) but they probably recorded the finished versions at some outside L.A. studio like the studio where Thriller was mastered at.

Yeah, you would think. It sounds like an orchestra was playing on Push Me Away.

Yeah I doubt that it was mastered at Hayvenhurst, I think I had the booklet where it said it was mastered at and it surely wasn't at the family home.

I wonder when Destiny was recorded if MJ had DSTYGE and WBSS already written and he was intentionally saving them for his solo material? I don't know... I guess this is stuff we'll never know.

What I do know is for not having any producer, the brothers did quite well on their own. OTW sounds more refined but sometimes I prefer the sound of Destiny more.

Derek1984 said:

I wonder when Destiny was recorded if MJ had DSTYGE and WBSS already written and he was intentionally saving them for his solo material? I don't know... I guess this is stuff we'll never know.

What I do know is for not having any producer, the brothers did quite well on their own. OTW sounds more refined but sometimes I prefer the sound of Destiny more.

He probably was.

I always thought Destiny was raw in the way it was produced. All six Jackson brothers were novices at that (though they had been writing and producing since 1973 though Motown never released anything they did on their own).

ViintageJunkiie said:

Tittypants said:

The Jacksons recorded 5 albums with MJ on board. MJ was even lead singer on 4 of them, so there has to be some outtakes from those albums [From self-titled, Going Places, Destiny, Triumph, & Victory]. Where are they? Have the brothers even discussed anything about them yet? The family has already been capitalizing off of MJ's death anyway, & at least we'd know those tracks are legit. I would love to hear how those outtakes sound. Anybody else feel this way????

Here's a list of outtakes. No clue on when we'll get them. Smme of them might not have been recorded. MJ used to say that he writes the hook/chorus to a record first and if he doesn't like the way the hook/chorus is, he would scrap the song. Don't know if it's the same for the group as a whole...Yeah, here they are

Triumph

Slipped Away (Written by Michael Jackson and Marlon Jackson)

That Girl (Written by The Jacksons)

Why Can't I Be (Written by Michael Jackson)

Victory

There Must Be More To Life Than This (Written by Freddie Mercury)

Doing Dirty (Written by Michael Jackson and Marlon Jackson) [Possibly an early version of Dirty Diana]

Far Far Away (Written by Michael Jackson)

Power (Written by Jackie Jackson) [I believe this was released by another artist]

Bad Company (Written by Michael Jackson)

Pyramid Girl (Written by Michael Jackson) [This is actually the early version of Liberian Girl]

Nona (Written by Jackie Jackson)

State of Shock (Written by Michael Jackson and Randy Hansen) [Original version with Freddie Mercury was recorded for Thriller but wasn't finished in time]

Born to Love (Written by Michael Jackson)

Still in Love with You (Written by Michael Jackson)

Tender (Written by Michael Jackson)

Buffalo Bill (Written by Michael Jackson) [One of Michaels most prized songs. He talked very highly of it]

Where Do I Stand (Written by Marlon Jackson) [This song was released on one of Marlons albums later]

Victory (Written by Michael Jackson and Freddie Mercury)

Those are the only ones I know of. I know there's roughly about 100-200 unreleased records from the Motown era.

Do you know if any duets with Freddie Mercury and MJ were ever officially released?

I never knew they'd worked together. Big fan of both.

^ Freddie Mercury and MJ: There Must Be More To Life and State of Shock have been leaked. They sound like demos. Victory has never been leaked, in any form.

Buffalo Bill -- I think that was worked on for several years. And maybe changed a lot through the years. Dileo said it was a dance record in 1983 (Rolling Stone). An engineer I once talked to that heard the song said it was very "John Barnes" influenced. Which would say to me it might be more of a slower song. It was probably reworked between 83-86. But that's me guessing. After what MJ said about it in 1983, you'd have to think this could be a gem in the vaults.

Derek1984 said:

I wonder when Destiny was recorded if MJ had DSTYGE and WBSS already written and he was intentionally saving them for his solo material? I don't know... I guess this is stuff we'll never know.

What I do know is for not having any producer, the brothers did quite well on their own. OTW sounds more refined but sometimes I prefer the sound of Destiny more.

WBSS was written and recorded in 1978 but MJ was too shy to present the song to Quincy for inclusion on the OTW album and DSTYGE was written in 78 also. They could've been included on Destiny but most likely MJ kept them to himself

XNY said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Here's a list of outtakes. No clue on when we'll get them. Smme of them might not have been recorded. MJ used to say that he writes the hook/chorus to a record first and if he doesn't like the way the hook/chorus is, he would scrap the song. Don't know if it's the same for the group as a whole...Yeah, here they are

Do you know if any duets with Freddie Mercury and MJ were ever officially released?

I never knew they'd worked together. Big fan of both.

There Must Be More to Life and State of Shock were leaked but not in final versions, demos. Victory was complete but we still haven't heard it

Derek1984 said:

Buffalo Bill -- I think that was worked on for several years. And maybe changed a lot through the years. Dileo said it was a dance record in 1983 (Rolling Stone). An engineer I once talked to that heard the song said it was very "John Barnes" influenced. Which would say to me it might be more of a slower song. It was probably reworked between 83-86. But that's me guessing. After what MJ said about it in 1983, you'd have to think this could be a gem in the vaults.

MJ talked highly of the record, along with Frank DiLeo. This is the hook to the song

"Who shot Buffalo Bill? They said he shot a lot, did he ever get killed?"

ViintageJunkiie said:

Derek1984 said:

Buffalo Bill -- I think that was worked on for several years. And maybe changed a lot through the years. Dileo said it was a dance record in 1983 (Rolling Stone). An engineer I once talked to that heard the song said it was very "John Barnes" influenced. Which would say to me it might be more of a slower song. It was probably reworked between 83-86. But that's me guessing. After what MJ said about it in 1983, you'd have to think this could be a gem in the vaults.

MJ talked highly of the record, along with Frank DiLeo. This is the hook to the song

"Who shot Buffalo Bill? They said he shot a lot, did he ever get killed?"

I don't think there has been any unreleased song hyped up more than Buffalo Bill. It's rare of MJ to hype up any song, let alone one that never gets released. And that was 1983. Amazing it has never been leaked or released on any special editions.

Are there any OTW outtakes?

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

This must be overseas, because according to Billboard (US), this album never charted. I've never heard any of the songs from it on the radio either.

[Edited 7/13/11 8:29am]

Uh, yes it charted in the U.S. It didn't chart overseas from what I heard.

If you go to Billboard.com and type in The Jacksons - Goin' Places, it says "This album has never charted" under chart history.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

Uh, yes it charted in the U.S. It didn't chart overseas from what I heard.

If you go to Billboard.com and type in The Jacksons - Goin' Places, it says "This album has never charted" under chart history.

Micky, the Billboard archive didn't say that, it didn't update their stuff. Billboard never add in archives pre-1983.

I find it funny you went to that crappy Billboard site, Micky. I'm a little upset. Honestly, you can google the Jacksons chart archives, or Jacksons sales, the chart numbers should be there. Or at least check BILLBOARD on Google Books, it's got its archives. No one pulled those numbers out of their asses.

And honestly you didn't even look hard enough:

http://www.billboard.com/...rt01.shtml

The same crappy site actually LISTED the chart number of Goin' Places. So again, what were you saying?

Debuted on the Billboard pop chart on October 29, 1977 and spent 11 weeks on the chart.

trueiopian said:

Are there any OTW outtakes?

Yes, I can't think of all of them but You Told Me You're Lovin' and Goin' To Rio were written around this time. Quincy Jones is pretty adament that any songs that weren't released simply weren't good enough but sometimes MJ wrote and recorded songs of his own that Quincy probably never got to hear.

Where they belong.

Imaginative said:

Where they belong.

If you have nothing nice to say, why even come in this thread?

MickyDolenz said:

Imaginative said:

Where they belong.

If you have nothing nice to say, why even come in this thread?

Cheap laughs.

Proof it charted (you probably need a magnifying glass lol):

http://books.google.com/b...mp;f=false

It was No. 65 on the fifth week of its release.

And here's the album at the spot it eventually peaked in December 1977:

http://books.google.com/b...mp;f=false

So uh... AHEM! Yeah. That's what I thought. Go to page 78.

trueiopian said:

Are there any OTW outtakes?

Sure!

What a Lonely Way to Go

Going to Rio

Thank You For Life

Sunset Driver

Startin Something (Early version to WBSS)

Got to Find a Way Somehow

In the Life of Chico

Under Your Skin

You Told Me Your Loving

MJ wrote a lot of songs during that era. Not sure if they were al outtakes for OTW

Timmy84 said:

I find it funny you went to that crappy Billboard site, Micky. I'm a little upset. Honestly, you can google the Jacksons chart archives, or Jacksons sales, the chart numbers should be there. Or at least check BILLBOARD on Google Books, it's got its archives.

Why would I bother to do all of that? I'm not interested in the charts like that. I figured that an official Billboard site would have the information there.

Anyways, I think that Kentucky song (I forgot the actual name) was an Off the Wall outtake. I wonder where the demo version of "She's Out of My Life" was recorded at.

ViintageJunkiie said:

trueiopian said:

Are there any OTW outtakes?

Sure!

What a Lonely Way to Go

Going to Rio

Thank You For Life

Sunset Driver

Startin Something (Early version to WBSS)

Got to Find a Way Somehow

In the Life of Chico

Under Your Skin

You Told Me Your Loving

MJ wrote a lot of songs during that era. Not sure if they were al outtakes for OTW

Thanks. Well I thought of 2 off the top of my head! It's hard to know if these were actually recorded or if they are just lyrics. Goin' To Rio I think was written with Carole Bayer Sager. You Told Me Your Loving "looks" like it could be the best of this list.

Timmy84 said:

Anyways, I think that Kentucky song (I forgot the actual name) was an Off the Wall outtake. I wonder where the demo version of "She's Out of My Life" was recorded at.

Yeah, and I forgot about Iowa. Supposed to be a classical piece.

Oh yeah and without going totally off topic, only correction I'll make is Goin' Places reached #11 on the R&B (or Top Soul LPs) chart.