MickyDolenz said:

silverchild said:

This is where Jermaine should've stayed...funktastic performance!

Yeah, on Arista he was pretty much just sang only.

I bet his Arista contract was way more money than at Motown.

MickyDolenz said:

silverchild said:

This is where Jermaine should've stayed...funktastic performance!

Yeah, on Arista he was pretty much just sang only.

Iam a big fan of his Arista years, and I can only recall 1984's "come to me" as having any bass parts and that was done by synths anyway LOL.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

MickyDolenz said:

Yeah, on Arista he was pretty much just sang only.

I bet his Arista contract was way more money than at Motown.

Maybe that's why Jermaine was doing A&R and production work at Motown. A performer would probably make more working at a fast food joint than at Motown (unless their name is Stevie Wonder). He didn't do that at Arista. I think Clive Davis was trying to make him the male Whitney Houston, a pop act.

MickyDolenz said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I bet his Arista contract was way more money than at Motown.

Maybe that's why Jermaine was doing A&R and production work at Motown. A performer would probably make more working at a fast food joint than at Motown (unless their name is Stevie Wonder). He didn't do that at Arista. I think Clive Davis was trying to make him the male Whitney Houston, a pop act.

Jermaine was signed to Arista before anyone knew who she was. I doubt Clive was tryin to make Jermaine a male Whitney.

I realy don't know what Clive was doin with Jermaine, possible having him compete with Lionel Richie and Billy Ocean is the only thing I can see.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

MickyDolenz said:

Maybe that's why Jermaine was doing A&R and production work at Motown. A performer would probably make more working at a fast food joint than at Motown (unless their name is Stevie Wonder). He didn't do that at Arista. I think Clive Davis was trying to make him the male Whitney Houston, a pop act.

Jermaine was signed to Arista before anyone knew who she was. I doubt Clive was tryin to make Jermaine a male Whitney.

I realy don't know what Clive was doin with Jermaine, possible having him compete with Lionel Richie and Billy Ocean is the only thing I can see.

But Clive was grooming Whitney long before he released an album on her. He even put her on Jermaine's debut album for the label.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

MickyDolenz said:

Maybe that's why Jermaine was doing A&R and production work at Motown. A performer would probably make more working at a fast food joint than at Motown (unless their name is Stevie Wonder). He didn't do that at Arista. I think Clive Davis was trying to make him the male Whitney Houston, a pop act.

Jermaine was signed to Arista before anyone knew who she was. I doubt Clive was tryin to make Jermaine a male Whitney.

I realy don't know what Clive was doin with Jermaine, possible having him compete with Lionel Richie and Billy Ocean is the only thing I can see.

Yeah probably. Gotta remember that Arista is a soft label. Kenny G, Aretha, Barry Manilow, Dionne Warwick, Air supply.... those were the bigs acts on Arista at the time. Little surprise some of Jermaines output was very poppy then LOL.

Clive Davis took Jermaine out of the pop market after the relative failure of "Precious moments" for "dont take it personal", which was much more adult contemporary rnb though and it worked commercially. Only one uptempo off that album (the decent but massively dated "climb out").

But it backfired when Jermaine signed with Laface (still on Arista) which was probably due to "word to the badd" doing so poorly and the backlash on that single. Of course that album was more for the youngsters, which was probably the wrong market for Jermaine at the time anyway. Shame....

thesexofit said:

But it backfired when Jermaine signed with Laface (still on Arista) which was probably due to "word to the badd" doing so poorly and the backlash on that single. Of course that album was more for the youngsters, which was probably the wrong market for Jermaine at the time anyway.

Backfired how? Other than the 1984 album, none of Jermaine's other Arista albums sold much. Maybe they had a few R&B hits, but the albums themselves weren't really popular. If they were, they would have never went out of print. Whitney's and Kenny G.'s albums have never been out of print. I don't think Clive really promoted Jermaine to the same extent he did Whitney.

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MickyDolenz said:

thesexofit said:

But it backfired when Jermaine signed with Laface (still on Arista) which was probably due to "word to the badd" doing so poorly and the backlash on that single. Of course that album was more for the youngsters, which was probably the wrong market for Jermaine at the time anyway.

Backfired how? Other than the 1984 album, none of Jermaine's other Arista albums sold much. Maybe they had a few R&B hits, but the albums themselves weren't really popular. If they were, they would have never went out of print. Whitney's and Kenny G.'s albums have never been out of print. I don't think Clive really promoted Jermaine to the same extent he did Whitney.

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True, none of his albums sold much, but who mentioned albums? At least the single "dont take it personal" was a no 1 on the black chart. None of the singles off "you said" came close to that, despite the fact "you said" was made by the 2 biggest producers at that time. First single was "word to the badd", and thats what I mean by backfire. That single did nothing and I guess it was hard to recover after that....

but yes your right as an album artist, Jermaine was never big.

thesexofit said:

MickyDolenz said:

Backfired how? Other than the 1984 album, none of Jermaine's other Arista albums sold much. Maybe they had a few R&B hits, but the albums themselves weren't really popular. If they were, they would have never went out of print. Whitney's and Kenny G.'s albums have never been out of print. I don't think Clive really promoted Jermaine to the same extent he did Whitney.

[Edited 7/25/11 21:21pm]

True, none of his albums sold much, but who mentioned albums? At least the single "dont take it personal" was a no 1 on the black chart. None of the singles off "you said" came close to that, despite the fact "you said" was made by the 2 biggest producers at that time. First single was "word to the badd", and thats what I mean by backfire. That single did nothing and I guess it was hard to recover after that....

but yes your right as an album artist, Jermaine was never big.

He's had a few platinum albums.

Let's Get Serious and Jermaine Jackson 1984, I know went double platinum (I'm guesing by their high chart position.)

His 72 debut and Let Me Tickle Your Fancy had to be platinum.

He's had a few gold records too. 1980 Jermaine, I Like Your Style and Precious Moments.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Let's Get Serious and Jermaine Jackson 1984, I know went double platinum (I'm guesing by their high chart position.)

His 72 debut and Let Me Tickle Your Fancy had to be platinum.

He's had a few gold records too. 1980 Jermaine, I Like Your Style and Precious Moments.

Motown rarely reported sales figures (at least when Berry was in charge), and most of the times they did, it was with doctored books which under reported sales to avoid paying a lot of royalties to the acts.

MickyDolenz said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Let's Get Serious and Jermaine Jackson 1984, I know went double platinum (I'm guesing by their high chart position.)

His 72 debut and Let Me Tickle Your Fancy had to be platinum.

He's had a few gold records too. 1980 Jermaine, I Like Your Style and Precious Moments.

Motown rarely reported sales figures (at least when Berry was in charge), and most of the times they did, it was with doctored books which under reported sales to avoid paying a lot of royalties to the acts.

Motown didn't report sales until 1976, I belive. But his debut was Pop #26 / Black #6. Pretty sure that went platunum back then. Of course now a days, that woulnd't even push 1,800 opening week.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

MickyDolenz said:

Motown rarely reported sales figures (at least when Berry was in charge), and most of the times they did, it was with doctored books which under reported sales to avoid paying a lot of royalties to the acts.

Motown didn't report sales until 1976, I belive. But his debut was Pop #26 / Black #6. Pretty sure that went platunum back then. Of course now a days, that woulnd't even push 1,800 opening week.

R&B/soul/black/etc. was a smaller market at the time. A high chart position there didn't necessarily mean big sales. That's why some decided to crossover to reach the mainstream pop (white) market and get better sales.

babybugz said:

None

Times 6ixx.

I never knew he made that many albums LMAO....... wow so the 80's was just Jackson mania with all of them tryna be pop stars

I thought he had like 3 max before fading into obscurity I gotta check him out cuz I like his voice the best out of all the Jacksons and there is funky music being posted.

PlayboyOriginal said:

I thought he had like 3 max before fading into obscurity I gotta check him out cuz I like his voice the best out of all the Jacksons and there is funky music being posted.

Jermaine has more solo albums than Mike does, not counting compilations. Jermaine has 13 and Mike has 11.

Jackson 5: 11 (14 if you count Boogie, Live In Japan, and The Unreleased Masters)

The Jacksons: 6 (7 with Live!)

Janet: 10