ufoclub said:

Entertainer said:

That is subjective and she certainly doesn't have anything as defining as MJ's Motown 25 Billie Jean and moonwalk,

however, her LIVE rendition of 'One Moment in time' at the Grammys won her an Emmy award. Not too many singers can claim an emmy award.

her rendition of the National Anthem at superbowl has been cited by many, many publications and reporters, historians as the standard. I'd say that that performance was pretty defining in her career and for the country.

Anyone who performs the NA to this day are immediately compared to her version. Hows that for having a defining standard!

All the more incredible because she is not a dancer or muscician but was still able to move people.

That's more of the type of thing a broadway show singer impresses an old school crowd with. The pop/rock arena is more about conceptual achievements, not singing ability.

People like Jackson, Prince, or Madonna released songs and videos like Thriller, Kiss, Vogue that are conceptually cutting edge in terms of the song approach and the videos. Houston was someone that (and I was in high school in the 80's) was more about non-creative innocent top 40. Two of her biggest singles were covers! And she did them in the most bland way possible from a creative standpoint. Although the three superstars mentioned did dwell into bubble gum pop, they also tried to push things into a creative original realm from time to time. It's about creative thoughtfulness/creative intellect. And even as far as singing technique, it's not like Houston invented anything new.

I wanted to come back to the highlighted point you made. You are so wrong about 'I Will Always Love' you. No one who really knows about pop. r&b vocals, radio during the 1990s and singers would say that it was remade blandly and without creativity.

From all accounts, no one was making a song with an acapella intro for almost a minute of a ballad. She did that and that was sort of a first. Not only that, to hear Dolly Parton's original version and Whitney's is like night and day in that the 2 versions are sung vastly differently.

That would take some creativity alone. No one was singing a big ballad, with an acapella intro, that builded and builed with melisma and head voices throughout. That just wasn't done and that is part of the magic that resonated with people to make that sone an iconic song globally that has sold over 8mil copies.

That was creativity, talent and vocal prowess on steroids. it's why many singers on talent show either try to cover it or are advised against covering it because it has set such a high vocal bar that many who have attempted can't match even herself today.

Some of yall need to stop hating on Whitney and the people who defend her Their is nothing wrong with someone who is a fan to speak on her. I dont see no file called on the other stans here of other artists so why is Whitney any different? All I see on this board are hateful and disrespectful comments on this woman. While I am not a stan but a casual fan of Whitney some of the hate is just outright ridiculous.

Entertainer said:

Cinnamon234 said:

It is sad. Eventhough I made some negative comments about Whitney in this thread (which was really a reaction to the MJ insults, sorry I am a big MJ stan lol), I am a fan and don't like seeing what's happened to her personally and career wise. I think she is by far one of the most gifted and talented singers of all time.

I think If Cher and Tina Turner could make huge comebacks, so can Whitney. I think the problem with this last comeback is that Whitney was not ready. She still had personal issues going on and seemed like she felt pressured by Clive and the public to make a comeback, but she wasn't ready.

Now I don't think her voice will ever be what it was, it just wont, however I think Whitney's more than capable of releasing an album with good material again and solid vocals. I'm not gonna write her off yet at all like many have. I still think Whitney can make a comeback and I honestly hope she does.

Who dissed MJ in this thread? Most Whitney fans heart MJ! In fact, as a MJ fan surely you know that on her tour, for 46 dates, she tributed him not only in song, every night but also a speech about him. She didn't have to do that, every night. she dedicated 'A Song for you' and switched the lyrics up to reference MJ, half way through, she did her speech honoring MJ and reminding the public that he have 5 decades of his life. Also, she did short performances of 'wanna be starting something' and another song. She also hired 2 of his dancers from 'This is it' to be a part of her 4 dancers on tour.

She is one star who didn't run to the cameras to talk about MJ and then stopped after they left. She honored him on her time and for 7mths on tour, every date!

I do agree that she can and will still have a solid career. Aretha, and several other stars don't sound like their prime and I don't think that the public expects that of her. As long as she can sing publicly without cracks and hit her notes like on the cd, she will be fine. She is a decent actress so I think her movie career will be fine. Many here seem to think she looks like a washed up drug addled star when that is not the truth. When glammed and out,she still looks fabu as in that BET Honors party with her in the black above 2009 Dec.

I did see some "Pedo Pan" comments earlier which was not necessary as no one needs to put others down to make Whitney look better. It doesn't help anything. Her accomplishments speak for themself. Just as calling Whitney a Crack ______whatever is totally unecessary and has nothing to do with her music and accomplishements.

And yes I know Whitney always spoke kindly of Michael. They were friends. Whitney has always been supportive of Michael and i've only heard her say nice things about him. They both liked and respected eachother very much. Her tributes to him on her tour were very nice.

As far as Whitney's music goes, I hope with her next album, whenever she's ready to come back out with new material, I wish she'd do something along the lines of "My Love Is Your Love". I thought that album was a great sound for her. It was up to date and modern, but still age appropriate and true to who she is as an artist. I just hope she doesn't do any of that electro dance stuff so many are doing.

Cinnamon234 said:

Entertainer said:

Who dissed MJ in this thread? Most Whitney fans heart MJ! In fact, as a MJ fan surely you know that on her tour, for 46 dates, she tributed him not only in song, every night but also a speech about him. She didn't have to do that, every night. she dedicated 'A Song for you' and switched the lyrics up to reference MJ, half way through, she did her speech honoring MJ and reminding the public that he have 5 decades of his life. Also, she did short performances of 'wanna be starting something' and another song. She also hired 2 of his dancers from 'This is it' to be a part of her 4 dancers on tour.

She is one star who didn't run to the cameras to talk about MJ and then stopped after they left. She honored him on her time and for 7mths on tour, every date!

I do agree that she can and will still have a solid career. Aretha, and several other stars don't sound like their prime and I don't think that the public expects that of her. As long as she can sing publicly without cracks and hit her notes like on the cd, she will be fine. She is a decent actress so I think her movie career will be fine. Many here seem to think she looks like a washed up drug addled star when that is not the truth. When glammed and out,she still looks fabu as in that BET Honors party with her in the black above 2009 Dec.

I did see some "Pedo Pan" comments earlier which was not necessary as no one needs to put others down to make Whitney look better. It doesn't help anything. Her accomplishments speak for themself. Just as calling Whitney a Crack ______whatever is totally unecessary and has nothing to do with her music and accomplishements.

And yes I know Whitney always spoke kindly of Michael. They were friends. Whitney has always been supportive of Michael and i've only heard her say nice things about him. They both liked and respected eachother very much. Her tributes to him on her tour were very nice.

As far as Whitney's music goes, I hope with her next album, whenever she's ready to come back out with new material, I wish she'd do something along the lines of "My Love Is Your Love". I thought that album was a great sound for her. It was up to date and modern, but still age appropriate and true to who she is as an artist. I just hope she doesn't do any of that electro dance stuff so many are doing.

I heart, heart, heart MJ and wish to goodness he was still here with us. I don't think that poster was dissing MJ. I think they were trying to make a point to the people who were calling whitney names for her drug issues but at the same time saying that other artists in some people's eyes have failures or things that happened in their lives that can be turned into name calling and gave the example of Madonna, MJ and Prince.

I think that that was there point and yes, they were friends.

MLIYl

was a big departure from her sound for her and was cutting edge for her in that it found her dipping into urban category in a way that she hadn't before and working with producers of that genre like Missy Elliott, Wyclef Jean, Jerry, 'Duplessis' Wonder, Lauryn Hill, Rodney Jerkins, Soulschok & Karlin etc I'm not sure if that would work with her being older now. she is singing in a more jazzy tone now with lots of gospel inflections, runs and riffs. Whatever she does, let it be authentic and maybe a bit more riskier.

MLIYL album has lots of gems on it, totally agree with you there.

Cinnamon234 said:

Entertainer said:

Who dissed MJ in this thread? Most Whitney fans heart MJ! In fact, as a MJ fan surely you know that on her tour, for 46 dates, she tributed him not only in song, every night but also a speech about him. She didn't have to do that, every night. she dedicated 'A Song for you' and switched the lyrics up to reference MJ, half way through, she did her speech honoring MJ and reminding the public that he have 5 decades of his life. Also, she did short performances of 'wanna be starting something' and another song. She also hired 2 of his dancers from 'This is it' to be a part of her 4 dancers on tour.

She is one star who didn't run to the cameras to talk about MJ and then stopped after they left. She honored him on her time and for 7mths on tour, every date!

I do agree that she can and will still have a solid career. Aretha, and several other stars don't sound like their prime and I don't think that the public expects that of her. As long as she can sing publicly without cracks and hit her notes like on the cd, she will be fine. She is a decent actress so I think her movie career will be fine. Many here seem to think she looks like a washed up drug addled star when that is not the truth. When glammed and out,she still looks fabu as in that BET Honors party with her in the black above 2009 Dec.

I did see some "Pedo Pan" comments earlier which was not necessary as no one needs to put others down to make Whitney look better. It doesn't help anything. Her accomplishments speak for themself. Just as calling Whitney a Crack ______whatever is totally unecessary and has nothing to do with her music and accomplishements.

And yes I know Whitney always spoke kindly of Michael. They were friends. Whitney has always been supportive of Michael and i've only heard her say nice things about him. They both liked and respected eachother very much. Her tributes to him on her tour were very nice.

As far as Whitney's music goes, I hope with her next album, whenever she's ready to come back out with new material, I wish she'd do something along the lines of "My Love Is Your Love". I thought that album was a great sound for her. It was up to date and modern, but still age appropriate and true to who she is as an artist. I just hope she doesn't do any of that electro dance stuff so many are doing.

Well, I saw her make a shitty comment about him. I wish I could remember which interview it was but someone was getting on her case and how horrible she looked when she performed on The Jacksons anniversary special in the early 2000s. Of course, she was denying being on drugs, as usual, and said that the camera was set up a certain way and it made her look bad. When asked to ellabortate, she rolled and batted her eyes and said the camera was set up a certain way to hide the fact that "a certain other person" looked so bad. She was trying to get the reporter off her crack smoking ass by throwing Michael Jackson to the wolves but it didn't work. The reporter stayed right on her tired ass.

So yes, I've seen her shit on Michael so please feel free to shit up, down, backwards, forwards, and sideways all over her ass. Hell, she's the killer of funk so she deserves it.

Entertainer said:

ufoclub said:

That's more of the type of thing a broadway show singer impresses an old school crowd with. The pop/rock arena is more about conceptual achievements, not singing ability.

People like Jackson, Prince, or Madonna released songs and videos like Thriller, Kiss, Vogue that are conceptually cutting edge in terms of the song approach and the videos. Houston was someone that (and I was in high school in the 80's) was more about non-creative innocent top 40. Two of her biggest singles were covers! And she did them in the most bland way possible from a creative standpoint. Although the three superstars mentioned did dwell into bubble gum pop, they also tried to push things into a creative original realm from time to time. It's about creative thoughtfulness/creative intellect. And even as far as singing technique, it's not like Houston invented anything new.

I wanted to come back to the highlighted point you made. You are so wrong about 'I Will Always Love' you. No one who really knows about pop. r&b vocals, radio during the 1990s and singers would say that it was remade blandly and without creativity.

From all accounts, no one was making a song with an acapella intro for almost a minute of a ballad. She did that and that was sort of a first. Not only that, to hear Dolly Parton's original version and Whitney's is like night and day in that the 2 versions are sung vastly differently.

That would take some creativity alone. No one was singing a big ballad, with an acapella intro, that builded and builed with melisma and head voices throughout. That just wasn't done and that is part of the magic that resonated with people to make that sone an iconic song globally that has sold over 8mil copies.

That was creativity, talent and vocal prowess on steroids. it's why many singers on talent show either try to cover it or are advised against covering it because it has set such a high vocal bar that many who have attempted can't match even herself today.

Creativity and talent when doing a remake is taking a song like "Heard It Through The Grapevine" and recording it in a completely different way making it ultra funky and almost unrecognizable from the original like Roger Troutman did. All she ever did with her remakes is ruin them and make them ultra bland and dull. She ruined a Sister Sledge song, she ruined a George Benson song, she ruined an Isley Brothers song, she ruined a Chaka Khan song, and she ruined a Dolly Parton song.

True enough, she's had huge sales because she caters to the dullest people in the world and the world has a lot more dull people than it has lively, funky people. But I would use Roger Troutman in the same sentence with Prince much more than Shitney because not only was he talented as hell, but he was funky as hell. These are things the two artists have in common. Shitney ain't got an ounce of rhythm or funk in her entire body. The only funk she has is her stanky unwashed vibrator that she used multiple times when she stayed locked up in her bedroom for days at a time in an apartment she shared with Cherrelle. The alley cats were lined up outside the door trying to get some of that funk.

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vainandy said:

Entertainer said:

I wanted to come back to the highlighted point you made. You are so wrong about 'I Will Always Love' you. No one who really knows about pop. r&b vocals, radio during the 1990s and singers would say that it was remade blandly and without creativity.

From all accounts, no one was making a song with an acapella intro for almost a minute of a ballad. She did that and that was sort of a first. Not only that, to hear Dolly Parton's original version and Whitney's is like night and day in that the 2 versions are sung vastly differently.

That would take some creativity alone. No one was singing a big ballad, with an acapella intro, that builded and builed with melisma and head voices throughout. That just wasn't done and that is part of the magic that resonated with people to make that sone an iconic song globally that has sold over 8mil copies.

That was creativity, talent and vocal prowess on steroids. it's why many singers on talent show either try to cover it or are advised against covering it because it has set such a high vocal bar that many who have attempted can't match even herself today.

Creativity and talent when doing a remake is taking a song like "Heard It Through The Grapevine" and recording it in a completely different way making it ultra funky and almost unrecognizable from the original like Roger Troutman did. All she ever did with her remakes is ruin them and make them ultra bland and dull. She ruined a Sister Sledge song, she ruined a George Benson song, she ruined an Isley Brothers song, she ruined a Chaka Khan song, and she ruined a Dolly Parton song.

True enough, she's had huge sales because she caters to the dullest people in the world and the world has a lot more dull people than it has lively, funky people. But I would use Roger Troutman in the same sentence with Prince much more than Shitney because not only was he talented as hell, but he was funky as hell. These are things the two artists have in common. Shitney ain't got an ounce of rhythm or funk in her entire body. The only funk she has is her stanky unwashed vibrator that she used multiple times when she stayed locked up in her bedroom for days at a time in an apartment she shared with Cherrelle. The alley cats were lined up outside the door trying to get some of that funk.

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Ok, the dialogue stops right here. I can't engage iwith an immature person who has a poor grasp of how to have a respectful conversation with someone. I get that you don't like her music, fine, I get that if something isn't funky to you you don't respect it, fine, that doesn't me millions agree with you. What I don't get and won't engage in is someone who has to resort to calling someone out of their name.

That's too juvenile and silly so toodles to you. Salue, you take care!

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vainandy said:

Cinnamon234 said:

I did see some "Pedo Pan" comments earlier which was not necessary as no one needs to put others down to make Whitney look better. It doesn't help anything. Her accomplishments speak for themself. Just as calling Whitney a Crack ______whatever is totally unecessary and has nothing to do with her music and accomplishements.

And yes I know Whitney always spoke kindly of Michael. They were friends. Whitney has always been supportive of Michael and i've only heard her say nice things about him. They both liked and respected eachother very much. Her tributes to him on her tour were very nice.

As far as Whitney's music goes, I hope with her next album, whenever she's ready to come back out with new material, I wish she'd do something along the lines of "My Love Is Your Love". I thought that album was a great sound for her. It was up to date and modern, but still age appropriate and true to who she is as an artist. I just hope she doesn't do any of that electro dance stuff so many are doing.

Well, I saw her make a shitty comment about him. I wish I could remember which interview it was but someone was getting on her case and how horrible she looked when she performed on The Jacksons anniversary special in the early 2000s. Of course, she was denying being on drugs, as usual, and said that the camera was set up a certain way and it made her look bad. When asked to ellabortate, she rolled and batted her eyes and said the camera was set up a certain way to hide the fact that "a certain other person" looked so bad. She was trying to get the reporter off her crack smoking ass by throwing Michael Jackson to the wolves but it didn't work. The reporter stayed right on her tired ass.

So yes, I've seen her shit on Michael so please feel free to shit up, down, backwards, forwards, and sideways all over her ass. Hell, she's the killer of funk so she deserves it.

She did not shit on Michael. She was asked about being digitally enhanced when the show broadcast and she said yes and so were others. That's stating facts. The bottom line was that she was asked to participate in honoring him which she did and she put on a damn good performance but as in many cases with her, the media hones in and focuses on her when the spotlight really should have been on MJ.

Whitney has gone to bat for MJ many times even when it was not cool or prudent to do so and true MJ fans know that not haters. She stood up for him during the molestation mess and said she belived him and didn't believe those stories and she did that on camera which was aired on tv. There are far too many incidents of Whitney praising MJ or going to bat for him and his friends all will acknowleged that so you can have a seat your damn self!

#byegurl#Flygurl!!

Entertainer hun, I wouldnt waste my time going back and forth with some. This isnt a PRO Whitney Houston board. I agree with some of ur points but haters gonna hate

mjscarousal said:

Entertainer hun, I wouldnt waste my time going back and forth with some. This isnt a PRO Whitney Houston board. I agree with some of ur points but haters gonna hate

Haters will hate and have hated and that's cool but when incorrect facts are spouted they are subject to rebuttal. I don't have time to go back and forth with them and haven't. I stated the facts and moved on as noted in my comments to them. Certain posters in this thread, i've flat out ignored.

As to this not being a pro whitney board this is true but check my posting history. I think i've commented on more threads that has absolutely nothing to do with whitney than not. However, if interest is high in her as noted by this thread having a flaming Icon and over 7k views with near 340 comments that's a different matter and I assure you it's not me making up the bulk of those comments.

people are interested including haters which makes no sense and that is why this thread continues to rank high and have so many comments and views.

Entertainer said:

mjscarousal said:

Entertainer hun, I wouldnt waste my time going back and forth with some. This isnt a PRO Whitney Houston board. I agree with some of ur points but haters gonna hate

Haters will hate and have hated and that's cool but when incorrect facts are spouted they are subject to rebuttal. I don't have time to go back and forth with them and haven't. I stated the facts and moved on as noted in my comments to them. Certain posters in this thread, i've flat out ignored.

As to this not being a pro whitney board this is true but check my posting history. I think i've commented on more threads that has absolutely nothing to do with whitney than not. However, if interest is high in her as noted by this thread having a flaming Icon and over 7k views with near 340 comments that's a different matter and I assure you it's not me making up the bulk of those comments.

people are interested including haters which makes no sense and that is why this thread continues to rank high and have so many comments and views.

Oh TRUST ME I agree... it seems if you defend or give clear objective facts on Whitney someone automatically thinks your a crazy Whitney stan on here

And I am a HUGE CRAZY MJ stan BUT I just dont see how people can get mad at some bad comments on MJ but yet make nasty disrespectful comments on Whitney? I dont see how Whitney is an exception or why it should be okay to make cracks on her when this is a MUSIC conversation but that is the nature of this forum. I just find it funny how some are treating this woman like she had no talent and was a overnight fad when she was one of the best vocalist, has a catalogue of classics and has influenced many. She had issues but c'mon...

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Entertainer said:

vainandy said:

Creativity and talent when doing a remake is taking a song like "Heard It Through The Grapevine" and recording it in a completely different way making it ultra funky and almost unrecognizable from the original like Roger Troutman did. All she ever did with her remakes is ruin them and make them ultra bland and dull. She ruined a Sister Sledge song, she ruined a George Benson song, she ruined an Isley Brothers song, she ruined a Chaka Khan song, and she ruined a Dolly Parton song.

True enough, she's had huge sales because she caters to the dullest people in the world and the world has a lot more dull people than it has lively, funky people. But I would use Roger Troutman in the same sentence with Prince much more than Shitney because not only was he talented as hell, but he was funky as hell. These are things the two artists have in common. Shitney ain't got an ounce of rhythm or funk in her entire body. The only funk she has is her stanky unwashed vibrator that she used multiple times when she stayed locked up in her bedroom for days at a time in an apartment she shared with Cherrelle. The alley cats were lined up outside the door trying to get some of that funk.

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Ok, the dialogue stops right here. I can't engage iwith an immature person who has a poor grasp of how to have a respectful conversation with someone. I get that you don't like her music, fine, I get that if something isn't funky to you you don't respect it, fine, that doesn't me millions agree with you. What I don't get and won't engage in is someone who has to resort to calling someone out of their name.

That's too juvenile and silly so toodles to you. Salue, you take care!

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Where did I call you out of your name?

mjscarousal said:

Entertainer said:

Haters will hate and have hated and that's cool but when incorrect facts are spouted they are subject to rebuttal. I don't have time to go back and forth with them and haven't. I stated the facts and moved on as noted in my comments to them. Certain posters in this thread, i've flat out ignored.

As to this not being a pro whitney board this is true but check my posting history. I think i've commented on more threads that has absolutely nothing to do with whitney than not. However, if interest is high in her as noted by this thread having a flaming Icon and over 7k views with near 340 comments that's a different matter and I assure you it's not me making up the bulk of those comments.

people are interested including haters which makes no sense and that is why this thread continues to rank high and have so many comments and views.

Oh TRUST ME I agree... it seems if you defend or give clear objective facts on Whitney someone automatically thinks your a crazy Whitney stan on here

And I am a HUGE CRAZY MJ stan BUT I just dont see how people can get mad at some bad comments on MJ but yet make nasty disrespectful comments on Whitney? I dont see how Whitney is an exception or why it should be okay to make cracks on her when this is a MUSIC conversation but that is the nature of this forum. I just find it funny how some are treating this woman like she had no talent and was a overnight fad when she was one of the best vocalist, has a catalogue of classics and has influenced many. She had issues but c'mon...

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you know you are making too much sense with what you are saying. i can not like an artist but i'm too mature and have just too much common decency to not stoop to name calling the likes of what would be expected of some kids in middle schools. Sensible adults don't do that.

If the conversation is on music, it should be able to stay focused on that without extrataneous garbage that doesnt' relate to the conversation of silly namecalling.

That tells me more about that person that they have deep seated self esteem issues or really don't like the fact that Whitney is an Icon, a Legend will be and has been regarded as that and nothing that they can say will change that fact, faults and all. they just don't like it, can't accept it hence the silly name calling and no rebuttal to objective facts just more name calling.

A pure reflection of an unstable and unintelligent mind.

I heart MJ, did I say that already. I Like Prince but MJ holds a special place in my heart.

Entertainer said:

FOR YOUR READING PLEASURE ON THE REMARKABLE STATS OF MS. WHITNEY ELIZABETH HOUSTON AND WHY SHE IS A LIVING LEGEND/ICON DESERVED TO HAVE HER NAME RIGHT ALONG MADONNA, MICHAEL AND PRINCE. ALL OF THIS ON FEWER CDS RELEASED AND THE MOST SUCESSFUL MOVIE CAREER OF ALL 3 AND THE BETTER ACTOR.

Whitney is the only artist to have 7 consecutive No. 1 singles at the US Hot 100, surpassing a record previously set by The Beatles and The Bee Gees

Whitney has an incredible 11 No. 1 singles in the US - beaten out only by Mariah Carey (18) and Madonna (12). Diana Ross has 12 No. 1s with the Supremes and a further 6 in her own name

With fourteen songs, Whitney holds the record for the most consecutive Top Ten singles on the chart

Whitney was the first solo female artist to have 3 number one singles from one album

Whitney is the only artist to claim three Top Ten hits from all of her studio albums (1980s and 1990s)

Whitney has the most number-one covers. She`s covered the songs "Saving All My Love For You", "Greatest Love Of All", "All The Man That I Need" and "I Will Always Love You"

Whitney is the first and only female artist to concurrently top the US, UK and Australian charts with a single song ("I Will Always Love You")

Whitney is the only artist to have charted from 1984 to 2009. Other artists such as Elvis Presley have had longer streaks, but not during this time

Whitney is one of only two female artists (the other being Mariah Carey) to have three albums sell over 9 million copies each in the U.S.: "Whitney Houston", "Whitney" and "The Bodyguard OST"

Whitney was the first female artist to have two diamond albums (as of January 1994, both "Whitney Houston" and "The Bodyguard OST" were over ten times platinum). To date, Whitney, Madonna, Britney Spears, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Shania Twain and The Dixie Chicks are the only female artists with multiple diamond albums

Whitney is the only artist with three albums to remain on top of the Top 200 for over ten weeks "Whitney Houston" (14 weeks), "Whitney" (11 weeks) and "The Bodyguard OST" (20 weeks)

Whitney`s albums have spent 50 weeks at number one on the Billboard 200, more than any other female artist

Whitney has won 22 American Music Awards, more than any other female artist

Whitney won a record of 8 American Music Awards for "The Bodyguard OST" back in 1994. She is tied only with Michael Jackson, who won 8 AMA`s for "Thriller" at the 1984 ceremony

Whitney won a record of 11 Billboard Music Awards at the 1993 ceremony for "The Bodyguard OST"

Whitney is the only artist with at least one Grammy, Emmy, MTV Video Music Award, MTV Movie Award, People`s Choice Award and Billboard Music Award to their name

Whitney is the most covered artist on the TV Show American Idol with over 1.150 of 70.000 auditions being songs of hers during the show`s third season. The song "I Have Nothing" has been performed in the finals 6 times, more than any other song

Whitney Houston still has the highest ranking film debut by a music artist with her 1992 debut in "The Bodyguard", even ahead of Eminem`s debut, "8 Mile", despite "The Bodyguard" having opened & played in far fewer theatres and despite the inflationary factor that would increase Whitney`s lead

Whitney Houston is amongst the highest paid actresses in the world and is reported to have collected $10 million for her role in "The Preacher`s Wife"

The world`s best selling debut album by a female artist is "Whitney Houston" with over 25 million copies sold. (The record was broke in 1999 when ..."Baby One More Time" by Britney Spears was released with 27 million copies sold worldwide) The album also ranks as the number one best selling female album of the 1980s

The first album by a female to debut at number one on the Billboard 200 was 1987`s "Whitney"

"Whitney" (1987) has US sales of over 9 million, UK sales of over 2 million and total worldwide sales of over 19 million copies

Whitney`s version of "The Star Spangled Banner" is the only version to be certified platinum

Whitney holds the record for the highest one week-single sales by a female artist as 632.000 copies of "I Will Always Love You" were sold in the final week of December 1992

"I Will Always Love You" spend an amazing 14 weeks at the top of the Billboard Hot 100 chart. It remains one of the longest No. 1 singles ever

"I Will Always Love You" is the best-selling single by a female artist and the biggest-selling non-charity single of all-time

Total world sales of "I Will Always Love You" stand at 8 million copies, making it the second biggest selling commercial single in world music history - recently losing it`s title to "Candle In The Wind" (sales now at 30 million copies)

The second biggest selling single by a female artist in the UK is "I Will Always Love You", with UK sales of over 1.56 million copies - this record was recently broken by Cher`s "Believe"

"The Bodyguard OST" sold an amazing one million copies in the final week of 1992 - at the time, it set a record for the most albums sold in a single week. The title was broken in 1998 and again in 1999 but this was due to changes in the way the Billboard 200 was compiled adding extras days sales for Garth Brooks and Backstreet Boys. More recently, 'N Sync, Britney Spears and Eminem have followed in the million-plus league

The largest initial certification of any album in US sales history is "The Bodyguard OST" with 6 million copies sold in it`s first two months on sale

The biggest selling album in the world in the 1990`s is "The Bodyguard OST" and the second biggest selling album ever

"The Bodyguard OST" was the first pop album in Korea to sell a million copies

"The Bodyguard OST" is the best-selling album by a foreign female artist in Brazil

The Bodyguard movie (Warner Bros.) was the 5th biggest grossing film ever ($ 400 million, as at 1995)

"Exhale (Shoop Shoop)" was the third single ever to debut at number one on the Billboard Hot 100 and the second single by a female artist

The longest running No. 2 (!) record in US chart history is "Exhale (Shoop Shoop)" with 11 weeks in the runner up spot

Whitney has the longest stay at number one on the Billboard Top Gospel Albums Chart, when "The Preacher's Wife OST" remained at number one for 26 weeks

"The Preacher`s Wife OST" is the best-selling Gospel album of all-time with sales of over three million copies in the U.S. and 5 million copies worldwide

WORLDWIDE ALBUM SALES

Whitney Houston	25.000.000
Whitney	19.000.000
I`m Your Baby Tonight	12.000.000
The Bodyguard Original Soundtrack Album	44.000.000
Waiting To Exhale Original Soundtrack Album	17.000.000
The Preacher`s Wife Original Soundtrack Album	6.000.000
My Love Is Your Love	10.000.000
Whitney - The Greatest Hits	10.000.000
Love, Whitney	500.000
Just Whitney	3.000.000
One Wish - The Holiday Album	500.000
The Ultimate Collection	1.500.000
I Look To You	2.500.000

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LightOfArt said:

This thread

I think it's kinda absurd denying Whitney's iconic status. None of her personal problems take anything away from her talent and achievements.

I'm sick of these "what does average joe thinks" arguments. Joe thinks MJ is a plastic surgery freak/pedophile, Madonna is a non-singing, ugly old ho, and Prince is viewed as a washed up overly-camp 80s has-been.

Giving Whitney her dues doesnt take anything away from the aformentiones legends

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I agree with you, thank you. Whitney is iconic and the youngsters only know about Madonna because Lady Gaga stole her schtick and picked up where she gruesomely left off, at Hard Candy, that awful album. If it weren't for Lady Gaga, no one would remember Madonna, she's pretty much done now, its Lady Gaga's time now...to rise to the top to only come tumbling back down. Who's gonna be there to scrape her monster teeth and alien bones off of the floor?

bunnyscotcooper said:

LightOfArt said:

This thread

I think it's kinda absurd denying Whitney's iconic status. None of her personal problems take anything away from her talent and achievements.

I'm sick of these "what does average joe thinks" arguments. Joe thinks MJ is a plastic surgery freak/pedophile, Madonna is a non-singing, ugly old ho, and Prince is viewed as a washed up overly-camp 80s has-been.

Giving Whitney her dues doesnt take anything away from the aformentiones legends

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I agree with you, thank you. Whitney is iconic and the youngsters only know about Madonna because Lady Gaga stole her schtick and picked up where she gruesomely left off, at Hard Candy, that awful album. If it weren't for Lady Gaga, no one would remember Madonna, she's pretty much done now, its Lady Gaga's time now...to rise to the top to only come tumbling back down. Who's gonna be there to scrape her monster teeth and alien bones off of the floor?

Are you mad?

I don't mind Whitney Houston as a person, model, pop diva, reality show star, whatever... and she is a great vocalist. But I have never bought anything of hers and never been excited to hear or see her videos. I've never included one of her songs on my own playlist. And I think my lack of excitement is shared by many others. So personally I completely understand why she is not mentioned in the same list as the others. If she had some crazy ass producer like newer school Mark Ronson/Kanye West, mid school like Rick Rubin, or even someone old school like Quincy Jones produce an album for her, it might turn out great. She has enough life material in her soul to really make a cool conceptual album with a personal message.

I think "I Will always Love You" is a great performance, but it's Dolly Parton's song. Just like "Nothing Compares to You" is Prince's song even if Sinead put it out there in hit form.

What's amazing is every last fact that Entertainer posted is true. Whitney has accomplished ALOT, they even missed some as well for example "Cinderella" became the highest tv movie on ABC with over 60 million viewers. Bottom line is i'm a Whitney fan, but i'm not a blind one. I know she's messed up and I can even understand why some didn't like her in her prime. Those who like more authentic, not manufactured music, artistic albums will definitely not like Whitney. I can understand why they would view her music as cheesy and not edgy enough. But, at the end of the day, you would be foolish not to respect what she has accomplished and her place in music history.

Cinnamon234 said:

Entertainer said:

Who dissed MJ in this thread? Most Whitney fans heart MJ! In fact, as a MJ fan surely you know that on her tour, for 46 dates, she tributed him not only in song, every night but also a speech about him. She didn't have to do that, every night. she dedicated 'A Song for you' and switched the lyrics up to reference MJ, half way through, she did her speech honoring MJ and reminding the public that he have 5 decades of his life. Also, she did short performances of 'wanna be starting something' and another song. She also hired 2 of his dancers from 'This is it' to be a part of her 4 dancers on tour.

She is one star who didn't run to the cameras to talk about MJ and then stopped after they left. She honored him on her time and for 7mths on tour, every date!

I do agree that she can and will still have a solid career. Aretha, and several other stars don't sound like their prime and I don't think that the public expects that of her. As long as she can sing publicly without cracks and hit her notes like on the cd, she will be fine. She is a decent actress so I think her movie career will be fine. Many here seem to think she looks like a washed up drug addled star when that is not the truth. When glammed and out,she still looks fabu as in that BET Honors party with her in the black above 2009 Dec.

I did see some "Pedo Pan" comments earlier which was not necessary as no one needs to put others down to make Whitney look better. It doesn't help anything. Her accomplishments speak for themself. Just as calling Whitney a Crack ______whatever is totally unecessary and has nothing to do with her music and accomplishements.

And yes I know Whitney always spoke kindly of Michael. They were friends. Whitney has always been supportive of Michael and i've only heard her say nice things about him. They both liked and respected eachother very much. Her tributes to him on her tour were very nice.

As far as Whitney's music goes, I hope with her next album, whenever she's ready to come back out with new material, I wish she'd do something along the lines of "My Love Is Your Love". I thought that album was a great sound for her. It was up to date and modern, but still age appropriate and true to who she is as an artist. I just hope she doesn't do any of that electro dance stuff so many are doing.

Whitney has spoke kindly about Michael & Prince most of the time. But she also have gave mixed views about Madonna as well.

vainandy said:

Cinnamon234 said:

I did see some "Pedo Pan" comments earlier which was not necessary as no one needs to put others down to make Whitney look better. It doesn't help anything. Her accomplishments speak for themself. Just as calling Whitney a Crack ______whatever is totally unecessary and has nothing to do with her music and accomplishements.

And yes I know Whitney always spoke kindly of Michael. They were friends. Whitney has always been supportive of Michael and i've only heard her say nice things about him. They both liked and respected eachother very much. Her tributes to him on her tour were very nice.

As far as Whitney's music goes, I hope with her next album, whenever she's ready to come back out with new material, I wish she'd do something along the lines of "My Love Is Your Love". I thought that album was a great sound for her. It was up to date and modern, but still age appropriate and true to who she is as an artist. I just hope she doesn't do any of that electro dance stuff so many are doing.

Well, I saw her make a shitty comment about him. I wish I could remember which interview it was but someone was getting on her case and how horrible she looked when she performed on The Jacksons anniversary special in the early 2000s. Of course, she was denying being on drugs, as usual, and said that the camera was set up a certain way and it made her look bad. When asked to ellabortate, she rolled and batted her eyes and said the camera was set up a certain way to hide the fact that "a certain other person" looked so bad. She was trying to get the reporter off her crack smoking ass by throwing Michael Jackson to the wolves but it didn't work. The reporter stayed right on her tired ass.

So yes, I've seen her shit on Michael so please feel free to shit up, down, backwards, forwards, and sideways all over her ass. Hell, she's the killer of funk so she deserves it.

I thought Whitney was talking about Usher!

What's so funny is all this dislike for Whitney on this site and it is very possible that they could be working together in the future. Prince clearly said alluded to that when he put a stop the rumor of her being banned at his shows. Also, lets put to rest this Whitney dissing Michael thing. She has ALWAYS had his back. Yes, she was clearly referring to Michael in that interview but she didn't diss him, she was defending herself and she said "other people" here is the interview right here it starts right at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crJ7Gs8K0f8&feature=related

jsluva said:

What's amazing is every last fact that Entertainer posted is true. Whitney has accomplished ALOT, they even missed some as well for example "Cinderella" became the highest tv movie on ABC with over 60 million viewers. Bottom line is i'm a Whitney fan, but i'm not a blind one. I know she's messed up and I can even understand why some didn't like her in her prime. Those who like more authentic, not manufactured music, artistic albums will definitely not like Whitney. I can understand why they would view her music as cheesy and not edgy enough. But, at the end of the day, you would be foolish not to respect what she has accomplished and her place in music history.

What I respect is the fact that she didn't want to be a music machine product anymore but Clive & Company prodded her into doing it. Again. Bad call.

jsluva said:

Those who like more authentic, not manufactured music, artistic albums will definitely not like Whitney.

Hold on a second: so you basically say that Whitney's music is manufactured, not really authentic and not really artistic, yet you're a fan? Just to get this straight...

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This is exactly correct lol. Whitney released formulatic uptempo and ballad material that was written and produced for the most part by other people and it worked for her. I happen to love the majority of her songs and realize that it wasn't meant to be artistic but commercial middle of the road music. Her most artistic albums would be My Love is Your Love and The Preachers Wife. Being a fan for so long, I would love for her to do another album that is unexpected with some edge to it. But when she was in the prime of her career, if aint broke don't fix it, so I don't blame her label for churning out the hits, and that's exactly what they did.

jsluva said:

^^^

This is exactly correct lol. Whitney released formulatic uptempo and ballad material that was written and produced for the most part by other people and it worked for her. I happen to love the majority of her songs and realize that it wasn't meant to be artistic but commercial middle of the road music. Her most artistic albums would be My Love is Your Love and The Preachers Wife. Being a fan for so long, I would love for her to do another album that is unexpected with some edge to it. But when she was in the prime of her career, if aint broke don't fix it, so I don't blame her label for churning out the hits, and that's exactly what they did.

Yeah, but this might also be the exact reason why people refuse to accept her as a member of the super league of iconic pop legends.

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I think it is definitely the reason. But what i'm saying along with others, is that she is still an icon in her own right, and can go toe to toe with the other three in the record books if not step on their toes in some areas.

Maybe we need to make clear then what we think what an "icon" is (in popular music) - we might have different views here. My opinion is that an iconic status in pop is not only achieved by musical delivery, but that it is also based on a certain image that had an impact on popular culture.

It is iconic how Prince crawled on the floor naked in the "When doves cry" video. MJs dance moves in the "Thriller" video are iconic. Madonna's "Like a prayer" video has some iconic character. The Sex Pistols were icons for their punk image. Abba were icons for their super-cheesy image. Tina Turner is an icon with her spiky hair and her wild style in the 80s. James Brown is an icon with his dance moves and so on and so on. These pop icons did not only deliver great music, they also defined fashion at some stage and made people look up to them.

Having this in mind I can't see anything iconic about Whitney. Yes, she is (rightfully) praised for her great vocal capabilities, but that is a musical skill, not an iconic aspect of her personality. Again, Prince is not an icon for his great guitar solos, but for his style in "Purple Rain" etc. Whitney sitting on a chair singing "I will always love you", combined with a few scenes from "The Bodyguard", hardly leaves any iconic impression imo. It is simply a woman singing a good, but rather polished version of a good song.

ufoclub said:

I don't mind Whitney Houston as a person, model, pop diva, reality show star, whatever... and she is a great vocalist. But I have never bought anything of hers and never been excited to hear or see her videos. I've never included one of her songs on my own playlist. And I think my lack of excitement is shared by many others. So personally I completely understand why she is not mentioned in the same list as the others. If she had some crazy ass producer like newer school Mark Ronson/Kanye West, mid school like Rick Rubin, or even someone old school like Quincy Jones produce an album for her, it might turn out great. She has enough life material in her soul to really make a cool conceptual album with a personal message.

I think "I Will always Love You" is a great performance, but it's Dolly Parton's song. Just like "Nothing Compares to You" is Prince's song even if Sinead put it out there in hit form.

Since she liked to do drugs, she should have gotten with Rick James at the very beginning of her career. Those two could have smoked a while honey and he could have dressed her up like a whore and not only have given her some good music but a good image also. She definitely had a voice but it's the bullshit she chose to sing that's the problem and what's worse is she influenced so many others with her dead ass music trying to get that soccer mom money, that pretty soon we had a whole new generation of youngsters with the rhythm of Lawrence Welk and no jams being made by anyone. She's not a musical icon, she's a musical terrorist.

TonyVanDam said:

vainandy said:

Well, I saw her make a shitty comment about him. I wish I could remember which interview it was but someone was getting on her case and how horrible she looked when she performed on The Jacksons anniversary special in the early 2000s. Of course, she was denying being on drugs, as usual, and said that the camera was set up a certain way and it made her look bad. When asked to ellabortate, she rolled and batted her eyes and said the camera was set up a certain way to hide the fact that "a certain other person" looked so bad. She was trying to get the reporter off her crack smoking ass by throwing Michael Jackson to the wolves but it didn't work. The reporter stayed right on her tired ass.

So yes, I've seen her shit on Michael so please feel free to shit up, down, backwards, forwards, and sideways all over her ass. Hell, she's the killer of funk so she deserves it.

I thought Whitney was talking about Usher!

Well, I thought she was talking about Michael. But whether she was or not, hell, let these hardcore Michael Jackson fans think she was. The more people shitting on her, the better and you know if somebody talks about Michael Jackson around here, those fans will come after them with a vengeance.

I still think she was talking about Michael though trying to get the heat off her tired ass and put it on someone else. Hell, she never was a strong minded person to begin with.

EmancipationLover said:

jsluva said:

^^^

This is exactly correct lol. Whitney released formulatic uptempo and ballad material that was written and produced for the most part by other people and it worked for her. I happen to love the majority of her songs and realize that it wasn't meant to be artistic but commercial middle of the road music. Her most artistic albums would be My Love is Your Love and The Preachers Wife. Being a fan for so long, I would love for her to do another album that is unexpected with some edge to it. But when she was in the prime of her career, if aint broke don't fix it, so I don't blame her label for churning out the hits, and that's exactly what they did.

Yeah, but this might also be the exact reason why people refuse to accept her as a member of the super league of iconic pop legends.

Exactly!!!!! She's better mentioned in the same sentence with folks like Barbara Streisand, Neil Diamond, Air Supply, or Debbie Boone.

They're trying to put Shitney in a league with "cool" entertainers and she's the furthest thing from cool. Of course people aren't going to accept her in that league. That would be like someone trying put Barbara Streisand in a league with AC/DC or Judas Priest. Those head bangers would kick your ass if you put her name in their's.

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