Imaginative said:

MickyDolenz said:

It's the "pants on the ground" look that I don't like. I don't want to walk around and see somebody's butt and underwear. Ironically, the low pants came from prison and generally meant that person was "available."

Is that true? What a great little nugget of trivia if so. Not that I doubt you in the least bit, but cam you site a reference? [Edited 7/6/11 13:52pm]

I've worked at jobs with ex-cons and several of them have mentioned this. But I'll see if there's some writeup about it. I doubt that many of the people wearing it as fashion know where it came from.

FrenchGuy said:

JoeTyler said:

My alarm bells

- 00's shit-hop, shit-dance, shit-pop. C'mon...

-90's and 00's bands only ("before Nirvana, there was nothing, only crap" or "OK Computer is definitely the best album of all time" )

-Only Jazz and classical music "real music, real musicians, bla bla bla, bli bli bli..."

-Underground & completely unknown pop/rock bands ()

-Punk

-Commercial country-pop (80's-00's), dumb blonde biatches with big tits and small brains...uggh , wait, that's cool...

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@ that list!

Emancipation89 said:

mjscarousal said:

Yes. I try not to judge people in general but I think by default we all do even when we dont realize it. The music taste of a person really reveals alot to you because music is so much more broader than what people make it seem as well as it's big influence on a person. Music has alot to do with character, interests , personality.

I don't think music has A LOT to do with personality or character. Yes it shows your interest and maybe you can talk about music taste to describe your personality but it can't go the other way around. I don't think you can judge or second guess anyone's personality or character by their musical taste. Charles Manson;Beatles fan. Does this fact affect your judgement of Charlie Manson's personality or character?

I don't think music taste reveals a lot about someone. If someone prefers to listen to Jazz to Rock, it just means that person likes Jazz. Some people don't like popular music at all and prefer to listen to classical music. Some people outside of the US may not like western music at all and prefer to listen to their traditional music. Still, these facts don't reveal much about those people to me..personality or character wise...

I disagree. I do agree that a person shouldn't soley based their opinion on a person on their musical taste HOWEVER it does reveal a little bit about who they are as well as their williness to be open or closed minded. Even though it is just music... their taste can open a door to a variety of different things. For example, if I engage in a music discussion with someone who reveals to love lil wayne, drake, rihanna, beyonce, usher etc.. I personally dont care because thats their music they like HOWEVER I note to self that I would never be able to have an intelligent music discussion with them that I would enjoy because our views/taste would be different. The conversation goes further into politics and the economy and I notice most of their view is very vague and not their opinion but media driven AND then I make another note to self that I cant talk to this person about politics either because their view is so narrowed. Even though this is an example I have been in similiar conversations like this.

Trust me way back in the day, Ive been through enough arguements to know its really not worth it or worth changing someones view on something. I rather enlighten and also BE enlightened but it seems no one is interested in that today but instead arguing why their view is the greatest when that isnt the point.

I think musical taste has everything to do whether a person is open or closed minded and has an impact on their life. Sure people can listen to lil wayne and still be very intellectual BUT that isnt the case for all lil wayne fans OR everyone that listens to him... I just kinda think its ridiculous to really sit here and say music has NO influence on ones life OR views on different things. ALL those things is in some way are apart of a person and makes them who they are.

Emancipation89 said:

ButterscotchPimp said:

Katie Couric liking Lil' Wayne doesn't make her hood. It makes her dumb. (and i still don't believe that shit)

Willie D liking James Taylor means he has a somewhat broad taste in music, but makes crap.

What a person likes CAN tell you a lot about them. It doesn't tell you everything. (even though it tells me all i need to know)

My dad likes Beethoven and Mozart. But he avoids Romantic era. He's not a fan of popular music but very fond of sound of sax and piano so occasionally he listens to jazz. Sometimes blues and soul. He's also a fan of Opera music. Tell me what you can figure out about my dad. I'd be surprised if you came up with words other than boring/dumb/whatever

Okay. You did see the part where i said that you cannot tell everything about a person based solely on their music tastes, right?

theAudience said:

It plays a factor.
Not something i'd put someone down for, but it does tell me something.

I do believe that some that like to freely toss the "music snob" label around have a tendency to be those who are a bit uptight about their own musical tastes.
Not sure how one comes to the conclusion that because an individual has developed a certain standard for their listening habits that makes them a snob.

Especially if they're not criticizing what you happen to prefer musically.

Are you saying you've set no standards for other areas of your life?
And if you have, would you consider yourself a snob in that area? Didn't think so.


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Thats exactly how I look at it. I'm not gonna impose on you how and why you take some pleasure on listening to a certain type of artist - offensively objectionable to the eardrums they tend to be aside - BUT when I hear words like "music snob", "elitist"() and "pretentious" getting thrown at me from the other end because somehow I can't bring myself to listen to their type of crap, I'm gonna wear those words like badges of honor out of spite.

mjscarousal said:

Emancipation89 said:

I don't think music has A LOT to do with personality or character. Yes it shows your interest and maybe you can talk about music taste to describe your personality but it can't go the other way around. I don't think you can judge or second guess anyone's personality or character by their musical taste. Charles Manson;Beatles fan. Does this fact affect your judgement of Charlie Manson's personality or character?

I don't think music taste reveals a lot about someone. If someone prefers to listen to Jazz to Rock, it just means that person likes Jazz. Some people don't like popular music at all and prefer to listen to classical music. Some people outside of the US may not like western music at all and prefer to listen to their traditional music. Still, these facts don't reveal much about those people to me..personality or character wise...

I disagree. I do agree that a person shouldn't soley based their opinion on a person on their musical taste HOWEVER it does reveal a little bit about who they are as well as their williness to be open or closed minded. Even though it is just music... their taste can open a door to a variety of different things. For example, if I engage in a music discussion with someone who reveals to love lil wayne, drake, rihanna, beyonce, usher etc.. I personally dont care because thats their music they like HOWEVER I note to self that I would never be able to have an intelligent music discussion with them that I would enjoy because our views/taste would be different. The conversation goes further into politics and the economy and I notice most of their view is very vague and not their opinion but media driven AND then I make another note to self that I cant talk to this person about politics either because their view is so narrowed. Even though this is an example I have been in similiar conversations like this.

Trust me way back in the day, Ive been through enough arguements to know its really not worth it or worth changing someones view on something. I rather enlighten and also BE enlightened but it seems no one is interested in that today but instead arguing why their view is the greatest when that isnt the point.

I think musical taste has everything to do whether a person is open or closed minded and has an impact on their life. Sure people can listen to lil wayne and still be very intellectual BUT that isnt the case for all lil wayne fans OR everyone that listens to him... I just kinda think its ridiculous to really sit here and say music has NO influence on ones life OR views on different things. ALL those things is in some way are apart of a person and makes them who they are.

I wouldn't say music interest has absolutely nothing to do with personality. Nor would I say music has absolutely no influence on one's life or views. But the bolded part is my point. The same goes for the Beatles fans. You can't expect people who listen to so-called "better" music to be all intelligent, open minded or sophisticated. It's just very hard to tell and I just think we all have to be careful about making judgements. Unless you were talking about stans I guess...

I'm sure you'd noticed people on this website have different political views, biases, opinions, education levels, personality and even different music taste too and they are all Prince fans. Well supposedly

[Edited 7/6/11 15:22pm]

I BASICALLY DESPISE ANY GAL/JOE THAT DOESN'T, AT THE VERY LEAST, KNOW & RESPECT PRINCE

"Prince? Who?"

That's death penalty...

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Harlepolis said:

theAudience said:

It plays a factor.
Not something i'd put someone down for, but it does tell me something.

I do believe that some that like to freely toss the "music snob" label around have a tendency to be those who are a bit uptight about their own musical tastes.
Not sure how one comes to the conclusion that because an individual has developed a certain standard for their listening habits that makes them a snob.

Especially if they're not criticizing what you happen to prefer musically.

Are you saying you've set no standards for other areas of your life?
And if you have, would you consider yourself a snob in that area? Didn't think so.


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Thats exactly how I look at it. I'm not gonna impose on you how and why you take some pleasure on listening to a certain type of artist - offensively objectionable to the eardrums they tend to be aside - BUT when I hear words like "music snob", "elitist"() and "pretentious" getting thrown at me from the other end because somehow I can't bring myself to listen to their type of crap, I'm gonna wear those words like badges of honor out of spite.

You go girl...

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Emancipation89 said:

theAudience said:

It plays a factor.
Not something i'd put someone down for, but it does tell me something.

I do believe that some that like to freely toss the "music snob" label around have a tendency to be those who are a bit uptight about their own musical tastes.
Not sure how one comes to the conclusion that because an individual has developed a certain standard for their listening habits that makes them a snob.

Especially if they're not criticizing what you happen to prefer musically.

Are you saying you've set no standards for other areas of your life?
And if you have, would you consider yourself a snob in that area? Didn't think so.


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There's a difference in liking something and not liking something and saying the thing you don't like "sucks" and is no good or the person who enjoys it has bad taste and should like what you think is superior.

ButterscotchPimp said:

Emancipation89 said:

My dad likes Beethoven and Mozart. But he avoids Romantic era. He's not a fan of popular music but very fond of sound of sax and piano so occasionally he listens to jazz. Sometimes blues and soul. He's also a fan of Opera music. Tell me what you can figure out about my dad. I'd be surprised if you came up with words other than boring/dumb/whatever

Okay. You did see the part where i said that you cannot tell everything about a person based solely on their music tastes, right?

Oh sorry I got caught up with the part 'A LOT' from " I think you can tell a lot about a person based solely on music taste." I wasn't expecting you to tell me everything about him...just a lot.

Imaginative said:

Emancipation89 said:

My dad likes Beethoven and Mozart. But he avoids Romantic era. He's not a fan of popular music but very fond of sound of sax and piano so occasionally he listens to jazz. Sometimes blues and soul. He's also a fan of Opera music. Tell me what you can figure out about my dad. I'd be surprised if you came up with words other than boring/dumb/whatever

Ooo, can I try and you tell me how I do? He is intelligent. --- meh, ok.

Most likely college educated. --- yes

Keeps music in the background more than the foreground. --- meh he does like to go to opera, ballet shows...sometimes just for the music...

He makes over 6-figures and doesn't listen to mp3s.--- meh this kinda applies to many 50 year olds...

Highly logical, but can sometimes get very passionate about certain subjects. ---- logical hmmm...he's really opinionated in...everything...he can be very biased sometimes...

Prefers reading non-fiction to fiction. ---- Ehh he's a huge fan of Agatha Christie and...poems. but he reads news papers and magazines more than books so...half right.

He also likes documentaries. ---- Oh yes!

How'd I do!!!!!???? FAIL! jk you did pretty ok...

MickyDolenz said:

theAudience said:

It plays a factor.
Not something i'd put someone down for, but it does tell me something.

I do believe that some that like to freely toss the "music snob" label around have a tendency to be those who are a bit uptight about their own musical tastes.
Not sure how one comes to the conclusion that because an individual has developed a certain standard for their listening habits that makes them a snob.

Especially if they're not criticizing what you happen to prefer musically.

Are you saying you've set no standards for other areas of your life?
And if you have, would you consider yourself a snob in that area? Didn't think so.


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There's a difference in liking something and not liking something and saying the thing you don't like "sucks" and is no good or the person who enjoys it has bad taste and should like what you think is superior.

Exactly my point.

This is why I don't understand those that feel the need to inject themselves into threads just to say something derogatory about the music being discussed.

It would seem to be just as easy to simply start a thread about something you actually like.

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If they like crap artists, but make up for it with liking really good long-time artists and have a wide taste overall, then that makes up for it. But yeah, I tend to get judgmental of people who listen to new music and bash older music without realizing there was sampling or rehashing old sounds. I feel sorry for kids who missed out, so I'm not that hard on them, but look down at those that are around my age or a little older than me. In my teens, I was big on r&b/hip hop plus the jacksons, and though I liked Spice Girls for fun, I sort of looked down at people who thought BSB, Spice Girls and Hanson and other teen pop catered to Tiger Beat magazine was all that existed. But this was all based on context. Like my best friend that time was a HUGE backstreet boys fan, but before it, she and her brother were HUGE mj fans like me and still continued to be while being into the BSB, so I didn't put them down for it, whereas if others liked the newer acts and put down the other ones to feel better about themselves, I didn't respect them at all.

theAudience said:

MickyDolenz said:

There's a difference in liking something and not liking something and saying the thing you don't like "sucks" and is no good or the person who enjoys it has bad taste and should like what you think is superior.

Exactly my point.

This is why I don't understand those that feel the need to inject themselves into threads just to say something derogatory about the music being discussed.

It would seem to be just as easy to simply start a thread about something you actually like.

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Yeah, people start threads about Beyonce, Christina, etc. album/song flops and didn't debut at #1, yippee! Then there's those constant "today's music sucks", so and so is overrated, who is the king/queen/godfather/lord of such and such, and Glee beats the Beatles Billboard record (it's an outrage ). Why waste time doing that? Like you said, the people who start these kind of topics could have just as easily posted something they would recommend as an alternative to the "sucky" music. Constantly talking about things you don't like is just giving it more attention. It's like people going on Youtube videos just to say the act or songs sucks or make some insult towards the act. If you don't like it, why look for the video in the 1st place? I remember when Teena Marie died and some guy came into her tribute thread here just to constantly post that she and Rick James made stupid disco music and she was a worthless performer. That didn't make much sense to me.

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FrenchGuy said:

I've actually realised that people with the most eclectic tatstes in music are the funniest to be around with, open minded and intelligent (no I'm not telling I consider myself that way, but i've observed that, generally)...

Timmy84 said:

Only God (or whatever you believe in) can judge you.

And a jury of your peers.

absolutely YES!!!

im not even going to lie.

regarding certain music artist, i think why would an intelligent person want to listen to that crap.

I believe music tastes correlate with age and personality, and maybe environment

[Edited 7/6/11 16:47pm]

Emancipation89 said:

mjscarousal said:

I disagree. I do agree that a person shouldn't soley based their opinion on a person on their musical taste HOWEVER it does reveal a little bit about who they are as well as their williness to be open or closed minded. Even though it is just music... their taste can open a door to a variety of different things. For example, if I engage in a music discussion with someone who reveals to love lil wayne, drake, rihanna, beyonce, usher etc.. I personally dont care because thats their music they like HOWEVER I note to self that I would never be able to have an intelligent music discussion with them that I would enjoy because our views/taste would be different. The conversation goes further into politics and the economy and I notice most of their view is very vague and not their opinion but media driven AND then I make another note to self that I cant talk to this person about politics either because their view is so narrowed. Even though this is an example I have been in similiar conversations like this.

Trust me way back in the day, Ive been through enough arguements to know its really not worth it or worth changing someones view on something. I rather enlighten and also BE enlightened but it seems no one is interested in that today but instead arguing why their view is the greatest when that isnt the point.

I think musical taste has everything to do whether a person is open or closed minded and has an impact on their life. Sure people can listen to lil wayne and still be very intellectual BUT that isnt the case for all lil wayne fans OR everyone that listens to him... I just kinda think its ridiculous to really sit here and say music has NO influence on ones life OR views on different things. ALL those things is in some way are apart of a person and makes them who they are.

I wouldn't say music interest has absolutely nothing to do with personality. Nor would I say music has absolutely no influence on one's life or views. But the bolded part is my point. The same goes for the Beatles fans. You can't expect people who listen to so-called "better" music to be all intelligent, open minded or sophisticated. It's just very hard to tell and I just think we all have to be careful about making judgements. Unless you were talking about stans I guess...

I'm sure you'd noticed people on this website have different political views, biases, opinions, education levels, personality and even different music taste too and they are all Prince fans. Well supposedly

[Edited 7/6/11 15:22pm]

You are right but see that isnt the point. LOL

The point is that music has a profound impact on one's life and has alot to do with their personality, character etc which earlier you disagreed with and now you are saying you agree It is up to the person whether or not they want to judge them on JUST music alone. Like I said before music reveals a little bit about a person and how they view certain things. Obviously, it doesnt reveal EVERYTHING about a person but it does show a little bit about who they are.

mjscarousal said:

Emancipation89 said:

I wouldn't say music interest has absolutely nothing to do with personality. Nor would I say music has absolutely no influence on one's life or views. But the bolded part is my point. The same goes for the Beatles fans. You can't expect people who listen to so-called "better" music to be all intelligent, open minded or sophisticated. It's just very hard to tell and I just think we all have to be careful about making judgements. Unless you were talking about stans I guess...

I'm sure you'd noticed people on this website have different political views, biases, opinions, education levels, personality and even different music taste too and they are all Prince fans. Well supposedly

[Edited 7/6/11 15:22pm]

You are right but see that isnt the point. LOL

The point is that music has a profound impact on one's life and has alot to do with their personality, character etc which earlier you disagreed with and now you are saying you agree It is up to the person whether or not they want to judge them on JUST music alone. Like I said before music reveals a little bit about a person and how they view certain things. Obviously, it doesnt reveal EVERYTHING about a person but it does show a little bit about who they are.

umm previously I disagreed that music has A LOT to do with personality or character, and now I'm re-saying what I said, I still don't think music interest has A LOT to do with personality or character, but I wouldn't say they're not relevant at all. I think what I'm trying to say is I personally wouldn't second guess someone's personality or character based on their music interest..

When I was in my early teens I was very judgemental about others' musical tastes. At that time my own tastes were fairly rigid (hard rock/heavy metal). As I started exploring different genres I started to care less and less what music other people enjoyed.

Let me just say that some of the biggest assholes I have ever known have been very smart about music and had eclectic tastes. Conversely, some of the nicest people and the ones that I enjoy being around have fairly limited or narrow musical interests. For me it is much more important that I enjoy spending time with people rather than agreeing on what kinds of music we like. It seems ridiculous to limit your friends to those that have "good" taste in music.

Emancipation89 said:

mjscarousal said:

You are right but see that isnt the point. LOL

The point is that music has a profound impact on one's life and has alot to do with their personality, character etc which earlier you disagreed with and now you are saying you agree It is up to the person whether or not they want to judge them on JUST music alone. Like I said before music reveals a little bit about a person and how they view certain things. Obviously, it doesnt reveal EVERYTHING about a person but it does show a little bit about who they are.

umm previously I disagreed that music has A LOT to do with personality or character, and now I'm re-saying what I said, I still don't think music interest has A LOT to do with personality or character, but I wouldn't say they're not relevant at all. I think what I'm trying to say is I personally wouldn't second guess someone's personality or character based on their music interest..

That is YOUR opinion.

Whether it is ALOT or a LITTLE is irrelevant... music taste is a FACTOR and has to do with some part of a persons personality.... period.

rialb said:

When I was in my early teens I was very judgemental about others' musical tastes. At that time my own tastes were fairly rigid (hard rock/heavy metal). As I started exploring different genres I started to care less and less what music other people enjoyed.

Let me just say that some of the biggest assholes I have ever known have been very smart about music and had eclectic tastes. Conversely, some of the nicest people and the ones that I enjoy being around have fairly limited or narrow musical interests. For me it is much more important that I enjoy spending time with people rather than agreeing on what kinds of music we like. It seems ridiculous to limit your friends to those that have "good" taste in music.

AGREE!!!!

when i say i judge people, I just make assumptions about their personality type, their age, sex, etc. Sometimes I have been right on the nail. I noticed really young people in highschool like britney spears, lady gaga, beyonce, rihanna, Kanye west. And any typical mainstream artist out. But older people seem to have a more diverse taste in music.

No because it’s music snobbish and I don’t like music snobs. I don’t want anybody dictating to me what I should be listening to. All musical taste and opinions should be respected.

theAudience said:

It plays a factor.
Not something i'd put someone down for, but it does tell me something.

I do believe that some that like to freely toss the "music snob" label around have a tendency to be those who are a bit uptight about their own musical tastes.
Not sure how one comes to the conclusion that because an individual has developed a certain standard for their listening habits that makes them a snob.

Especially if they're not criticizing what you happen to prefer musically.

Are you saying you've set no standards for other areas of your life?
And if you have, would you consider yourself a snob in that area? Didn't think so.


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I think the internet has made it commonplace to reduce everything that is subjective purely down to personal opinion alone. People like to rationalize rather than be rational. While I don't hold anyone's personal tastes against them, I refuse to play the PC game.

There is nothing wrong with having a standard. If there is no standard, then there is no reason to get better and as we know, if you remove all lines of excellence, it eventually leads to degeneration of quality. Just turn on pop radio as evidence to that. You have kids who can't play a lick of music and don't know a major from a minor chord who declare themselves musical geniuses and self proclaim everything they do as brilliant - just because they say so. Just because its popular, that doesn't make it good.

BlaqueKnight said:

theAudience said:

It plays a factor.
Not something i'd put someone down for, but it does tell me something.

I do believe that some that like to freely toss the "music snob" label around have a tendency to be those who are a bit uptight about their own musical tastes.
Not sure how one comes to the conclusion that because an individual has developed a certain standard for their listening habits that makes them a snob.

Especially if they're not criticizing what you happen to prefer musically.

Are you saying you've set no standards for other areas of your life?
And if you have, would you consider yourself a snob in that area? Didn't think so.


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I think the internet has made it commonplace to reduce everything that is subjective purely down to personal opinion alone. People like to rationalize rather than be rational. While I don't hold anyone's personal tastes against them, I refuse to play the PC game.

"No, your rendition of "Mary Had A Little Lamb" after two piano lessons is not equal to or better than Rachmaninoff's concerto no.2." You can try to rationalize it down to personal taste but then you are being dishonest just for the sake of attempting to make a point.

"No, the stick figure you scribbled on a napkin is not on par with Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel, no matter how good you think it is."

For the most part, these same people would not let the janitor at a hospital operate on them if he said he could do it, yet with music and art, they want to totally dismiss skill and blur the lines of excellence to fit their own tastes. Deep down, they know garbage is garbage but if its something they like, rather than admit they like something that is sub-par (I know I like some crap songs sometimes, too), they try to rationalize it into greatness.

There is nothing wrong with having a standard. If there is no standard, then there is no reason to get better and as we know, if you remove all lines of excellence, it eventually leads to degeneration of quality. Just turn on pop radio as evidence to that. You have kids who can't play a lick of music and don't know a major from a minor chord who declare themselves musical geniuses and self proclaim everything they do as brilliant - just because they say so. Just because its popular, that doesn't make it good.

Great Post.

Thats the thing that really bugs me because I listen to some crappy music as well for example most of time when I am out at a club or party and hell I even dance to it but I can acknowledge that it is something less than spetacular or groundbreaking. I feel it is one thing to have a music taste and an opinion however when music lovers want to get into serious discussions about music and certain artists and objective evidence is tossed in they need to be open minded to accept that. EVERYTHING is not an opinion some things are supported with evidence and I believe there is such thing as bad music and some people like bad music, some dont.. some both. Regardless, I am just tired of the labels more music conscience listerners get because of their taste and knowledge when some of the times its really the OTHER way around and the other person is ignorant.

Everybody has a right to listen to what they want and for their music taste to be respected but when people go and say dumb shit like "lil wayne is a legend" and then someone goes to enlighten you, it makes you look ignorant.

rialb said:

When I was in my early teens I was very judgemental about others' musical tastes. At that time my own tastes were fairly rigid (hard rock/heavy metal). As I started exploring different genres I started to care less and less what music other people enjoyed.

Let me just say that some of the biggest assholes I have ever known have been very smart about music and had eclectic tastes. Conversely, some of the nicest people and the ones that I enjoy being around have fairly limited or narrow musical interests. For me it is much more important that I enjoy spending time with people rather than agreeing on what kinds of music we like. It seems ridiculous to limit your friends to those that have "good" taste in music.

The more you know, the more opinions you tend to carry. Opinionated=Bitch/Asshole? Usually.

BlaqueKnight said:

theAudience said:

It plays a factor.
Not something i'd put someone down for, but it does tell me something.

I do believe that some that like to freely toss the "music snob" label around have a tendency to be those who are a bit uptight about their own musical tastes.
Not sure how one comes to the conclusion that because an individual has developed a certain standard for their listening habits that makes them a snob.

Especially if they're not criticizing what you happen to prefer musically.

Are you saying you've set no standards for other areas of your life?
And if you have, would you consider yourself a snob in that area? Didn't think so.


Music for adventurous listeners

tA

Tribal Records

I think the internet has made it commonplace to reduce everything that is subjective purely down to personal opinion alone. People like to rationalize rather than be rational. While I don't hold anyone's personal tastes against them, I refuse to play the PC game.

"No, your rendition of "Mary Had A Little Lamb" after two piano lessons is not equal to or better than Rachmaninoff's concerto no.2." You can try to rationalize it down to personal taste but then you are being dishonest just for the sake of attempting to make a point.

"No, the stick figure you scribbled on a napkin is not on par with Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel, no matter how good you think it is."

For the most part, these same people would not let the janitor at a hospital operate on them if he said he could do it, yet with music and art, they want to totally dismiss skill and blur the lines of excellence to fit their own tastes. Deep down, they know garbage is garbage but if its something they like, rather than admit they like something that is sub-par (I know I like some crap songs sometimes, too), they try to rationalize it into greatness.

There is nothing wrong with having a standard. If there is no standard, then there is no reason to get better and as we know, if you remove all lines of excellence, it eventually leads to degeneration of quality. Just turn on pop radio as evidence to that. You have kids who can't play a lick of music and don't know a major from a minor chord who declare themselves musical geniuses and self proclaim everything they do as brilliant - just because they say so. Just because its popular, that doesn't make it good.

great great post...couldnt have put it better myself.... nothing wrong in having standards and if that means i am a musical snob then so be it...music..to a point...is subjective ..but crap is still crap...milli vanilli aint no prince..

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MickyDolenz said:

Imaginative said:

MickyDolenz said: Is that true? What a great little nugget of trivia if so. Not that I doubt you in the least bit, but cam you site a reference? [Edited 7/6/11 13:52pm]

I've worked at jobs with ex-cons and several of them have mentioned this. But I'll see if there's some writeup about it. I doubt that many of the people wearing it as fashion know where it came from.

That's B.S and I've heard it over and over. But think about it. All these guys advertising they're giving up ass?

Don't seem likely does it?

Why hasn't anyone bothered to simply ask guys with saggin pants if they're giving up ass?