Unholyalliance said:

Oh most definately. I can get along with and hang with folks that listen to almost anything such as funk, disco, house, old rap, rock, blues, and even country because we're going to have at least a little something in common to talk about. I can even got along with people that listen to music that I don't listen to at all such as classical, opera, symphonies, show tunes, etc. because even though we have nothing in common musicwise, a lot of those folks have a great sense of humor and are fun as hell to be around....perfect example, old queens.

As for shit hop, I realize a lot of people aren't as perfect as I am.... ....and I can get along with some people that like some of it because I do realize that it's a horrible virus that a lot of people didn't escape.... But someone who mainly listens to shit hop and hardly anything else, me and those people are going to get along about as well as a dog and a cat because we have very little, if anything, in common and they usually bore the hell out of me. Plus, a lot of them are so deep into it that they develop that arrogant shit hop attitude that I despise. And those that are even so into shit hop that they want to defend it like it's just as talented a genre as anything else, oh hell naw, I want to slap them. Don't try to keep something in style that I want to see go out of style.

^^^You forgot Whitney Houston & Anita Baker.

Unholyalliance said:

This thread is where musical snobs try to make themselves feel better.

Please. This is the only hub for us musically inclined to exalt our superiority.

MickyDolenz said:

^^^You forgot Whitney Houston & Anita Baker.

I have lots of friends that like them. They joke with me for not liking them and I joke with them for liking them. And if they play something from them, I may holler....."Oooooooh Lord, you're about to put me to sleep up in here!". They don't like every single thing I like but they are a lot of fun to be around. We're all individuals so it's always fun to be around folks into different things. I can respect anyone that likes things I consider simply boring because we're all individuals. It's people that idolize and defend a genre that comes across as mostly thuggish and homophobic that I don't tolerate, especially when the genre is the reason there's no good music anymore.

No, never.

OK. Maybe a little bit.

But sometimes cool people like, in my opinion, crappy music.

Never judge people on their music taste....would be pretty stupid.

Why would I judge someone's muscial taste? If they like their music, that's fine with me.....I enjoy mine.

i'm not 15 any more, where i had to convince people they should have my taste of music.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

^^^You forgot Whitney Houston & Anita Baker.

It's people that idolize and defend a genre that comes across as mostly thuggish and homophobic that I don't tolerate, especially when the genre is the reason there's no good music anymore.

It's the "pants on the ground" look that I don't like. I don't want to walk around and see somebody's butt and underwear. Ironically, the low pants came from prison and generally meant that person was "available". I like some rap, mostly the earlier Sugarhill Gang, Run-DMC, & Whodini era. The only current rappers that I like is OutKast & Nelly although I've never listened to Nelly's last couple of albums.

robertlove said:

Never judge people on their music taste....would be pretty stupid.

Why would I judge someone's muscial taste? If they like their music, that's fine with me.....I enjoy mine.

i'm not 15 any more, where i had to convince people they should have my taste of music.

CHUCCH!!!

MyNameIsPiper said:

I love that we're all being honest here!

I tend to hang aroung people who have eclectic tastes in music like myself. For the most part, I think it shows openmindedness and diversity, an unwillingness to be boxed into any particular category.

Yes. I try not to judge people in general but I think by default we all do even when we dont realize it. The music taste of a person really reveals alot to you because music is so much more broader than what people make it seem as well as it's big influence on a person. Music has alot to do with character, interests , personality.

Nope. It would be hypocritical on my part because I got turned on to a lot of GREAT music by people whose tastes were different than mine...at the time. Sometimes it's just good to be open.

robertlove said:

Never judge people on their music taste....would be pretty stupid.

Why would I judge someone's muscial taste? If they like their music, that's fine with me.....I enjoy mine.

i'm not 15 any more, where i had to convince people they should have my taste of music.

Nope. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Now, i am a self admitted music snob. So before i rant on, let's be clear about that.

So, you're trying to tell me that someone's taste in music has NOTHING to do with their personality? I beg to differ.

First of all, we're all human beings. We make judgments about people all the time. Based on all kinds of things. Looks, clothing, neighborhood, schooling, etc etc etc.

Now it's probably not the smartest thing to judge solely on any one thing.

For example, if someone you've just met tells you that they've done time in prison. Do not lie and say that you're not going to make SOME sort of judgement about that person depending on the crime they were incarcerated for. Most people will.

I live in NYC and see people get judged purely on looks alone on a daily basis.

Now with that being said, if music is one of the most important things in the world to me, why wouldn't I judge someone based on their musical tastes? I'm sorry but if i ask you who your all-time favorite artist is and you say "Lady Gaga" that tells me that we are not going to be friends, lovers or anything else for a myriad of reasons the primary being that tells me that there's no way in hell your as open minded and well rounded of a person that i require to even be in a conversation with me.

I'm sure some of you may think that's harsh and/or rash. I'd disagree.

I didn't ask this person who their favorite artist right now is, I asked their favorite of all time. If Lady Gaga is what comes out of their mouth it tells me that they probably haven't listened or been exposed to a lot of other music or culture. It also probably tells me without having to ask that they are much younger than me. It also tells me that this person is probably a trend follower and not a trend setter.

You see, I think you can tell a LOT about a person based solely on music taste.

I have boggled some of my friends minds by me being able to pick a stripper out of a 1000 people based solely on clothing, nails and taste in music.

So again, YES i am a music snob. Proud of it. And yes i will judge and/or not talk to you if your taste in music sucks. Now that's not to say i expect everyone to listen to and/or like what i like. Clear enough??

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paisleypark4 said:

A certain amount. If they do not like more music than the certain type they listen to...I just look over that...however I know i cannot talk music with them because it must not be much of an intrest.

same for me. I can't discuss my favorites when the person I'm talking to listens to Beiber, Nicki Minaj, and other current artists. Kind of why I don't really fit in with people in my age group in terms of musical taste

This is so childish and pity.

mjscarousal said:

MyNameIsPiper said:

I love that we're all being honest here!

I tend to hang aroung people who have eclectic tastes in music like myself. For the most part, I think it shows openmindedness and diversity, an unwillingness to be boxed into any particular category.

Yes. I try not to judge people in general but I think by default we all do even when we dont realize it. The music taste of a person really reveals alot to you because music is so much more broader than what people make it seem as well as it's big influence on a person. Music has alot to do with character, interests , personality.

I don't think music has A LOT to do with personality or character. Yes it shows your interest and maybe you can talk about music taste to describe your personality but it can't go the other way around. I don't think you can judge or second guess anyone's personality or character by their musical taste. Charles Manson;Beatles fan. Does this fact affect your judgement of Charlie Manson's personality or character?

I don't think music taste reveals a lot about someone. If someone prefers to listen to Jazz to Rock, it just means that person likes Jazz. Some people don't like popular music at all and prefer to listen to classical music. Some people outside of the US may not like western music at all and prefer to listen to their traditional music. Still, these facts don't reveal much about those people to me..personality or character wise...

ButterscotchPimp said:

So, you're trying to tell me that someone's taste in music has NOTHING to do with their personality? I beg to differ

Katie Couric likes Lil' Wayne's music. Does that mean she's hood? No. Willie D from the Geto Boys has said several times that he enjoys James "Fire and Rain" Taylor's music. James' music has nothing in common with the Geto Boys songs.

No.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

It's people that idolize and defend a genre that comes across as mostly thuggish and homophobic that I don't tolerate, especially when the genre is the reason there's no good music anymore.

It's the "pants on the ground" look that I don't like. I don't want to walk around and see somebody's butt and underwear. Ironically, the low pants came from prison and generally meant that person was "available". I like some rap, mostly the earlier Sugarhill Gang, Run-DMC, & Whodini era. The only current rappers that I like is OutKast & Nelly although I've never listened to Nelly's last couple of albums.

Oh I love old rap. Soul Sonic Force, Newcleus, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, Egyptian Lover, Kurtis Blow, Grandmaster Flash, Whodini, Run DMC, Twilight 22, etc. The music was actual music and it was fun, funky, and danceable. It's when it became stripped down to nothing but a slow beat with some talking over it that it became shit hop. But to make matters worse, the so-called "artists" stopped dressing and acting like individuals and started not only dressing like, but acting like gutter trash criminals with the mindset to go along with it. Folks like Grandmaster Flash or Afrika Bambaata looked like rap versions of The Village People, which is a good thing, not a bad thing, because it showed extreme originality. Folks like Newcleus dressed like outer space aliens. A lot of fun was going on, not a bunch of bullshit. Shit hoppers even talk about Dr. Dre like a dog back when he was in The World Class Wrecking Crew because of the makeup. Well hell, that's when he didn't look like a criminal idiot and looked like an individual. But then again, makeup is associated with the almighty "gay" which so many shit hoppers not only hate, but voice their hate.

That's why I see the genre as not something simply "boring" such as opera or symphony because "boring" never hurt nobody. I see it as something I despise because it just breeds more of the bullshit such as putting criminals, assholes, and homophobes on a pedastol. Where other genres praise individuality, shit hop frowns on it and considers it "gay".

Emancipation89 said:

Charles Manson;Beatles fan. Does this fact affect your judgement of Charlie Manson's personality or character?

It's like that movie Clockwork Orange. "Little Alex" said that Beethoven made him want to do some "ultraviolence". Then there were those people suing Ozzy Osbourne because Suicide Solution supposedly made their son kill himself. Some claim that playing records backward will make you worship Satan. If someone is going to do something, they were going to do it anyway.

MickyDolenz said:

It's the "pants on the ground" look that I don't like. I don't want to walk around and see somebody's butt and underwear. Ironically, the low pants came from prison and generally meant that person was "available."

vainandy said:

Where other genres praise individuality, shit hop frowns on it and considers it "gay".

I don't think it's hip hop per se, but the environment or culture, which has been around for decades, maybe longer. Many of my older relatives were "boys play sports" and "girls cook and look pretty". There was no rap at all then. If a boy wasn't tough, then he was a sissy, and a girl that liked climbing trees or wrestling was a tomboy.

MickyDolenz said:

ButterscotchPimp said:

So, you're trying to tell me that someone's taste in music has NOTHING to do with their personality? I beg to differ

Katie Couric likes Lil' Wayne's music. Does that mean she's hood? No. Willie D from the Geto Boys has said several times that he enjoys James "Fire and Rain" Taylor's music. James' music has nothing in common with the Geto Boys songs.

Katie Couric liking Lil' Wayne doesn't make her hood. It makes her dumb. (and i still don't believe that shit)

Willie D liking James Taylor means he has a somewhat broad taste in music, but makes crap.

What a person likes CAN tell you a lot about them. It doesn't tell you everything. (even though it tells me all i need to know)

MickyDolenz said:

ButterscotchPimp said:

So, you're trying to tell me that someone's taste in music has NOTHING to do with their personality? I beg to differ

Katie Couric likes Lil' Wayne's music. Does that mean she's hood? No. Willie D from the Geto Boys has said several times that he enjoys James "Fire and Rain" Taylor's music. James' music has nothing in common with the Geto Boys songs.

I'll go out on a limb and say those examples are anomalies (if the Katie Couric one is even true) and that those people don't listen to those artists all the time or even most of the time. One song or artist is not going to tell you much about someone. We're talking broader tastes here.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Where other genres praise individuality, shit hop frowns on it and considers it "gay".

I don't think it's hip hop per se, but the environment or culture, which has been around for decades, maybe longer. Many of my older relatives were "boys play sports" and "girls cook and look pretty". There was no rap at all then. If a boy wasn't tough, then he was a sissy, and a girl that liked climbing trees or wrestling was a tomboy.

That same type of environment and mindset goes on with a lot of country music fans and there are tons of racist and homophobic country music fans. But the difference is, it goes on with a lot of the fans. It's not being preached from the stage at the concerts and in the song lyrics from the artists. A genre can't help it's type of fans because a lot of them do come from a particular type of environment that draws them to that music in the first place. But shit hop not only has those type of fans, but the artists encourage it and egg it on themselves. I've seen country music audiences improve over the years and shit hop audiences become worse.

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My alarm bells

- 00's shit-hop, shit-dance, shit-pop. C'mon...

-90's and 00's bands only ("before Nirvana, there was nothing, only crap" or "OK Computer is definitely the best album of all time" )

-Only Jazz and classical music "real music, real musicians, bla bla bla, bli bli bli..."

-Underground & completely unknown pop/rock bands ()

-Punk

-Commercial country-pop (80's-00's), dumb blonde biatches with big tits and small brains...uggh , wait, that's cool...

[Edited 7/6/11 14:23pm]

ButterscotchPimp said:

MickyDolenz said:

Katie Couric likes Lil' Wayne's music. Does that mean she's hood? No. Willie D from the Geto Boys has said several times that he enjoys James "Fire and Rain" Taylor's music. James' music has nothing in common with the Geto Boys songs.

Katie Couric liking Lil' Wayne doesn't make her hood. It makes her dumb. (and i still don't believe that shit)

Willie D liking James Taylor means he has a somewhat broad taste in music, but makes crap.

What a person likes CAN tell you a lot about them. It doesn't tell you everything. (even though it tells me all i need to know)

My dad likes Beethoven and Mozart. But he avoids Romantic era. He's not a fan of popular music but very fond of sound of sax and piano so occasionally he listens to jazz. Sometimes blues and soul. He's also a fan of Opera music. Tell me what you can figure out about my dad. I'd be surprised if you came up with words other than boring/dumb/whatever

"Judge" is such a strong word... But since I'm a music geek, yes, music taste is a important criterium when it comes to interacting with people (be it friends, colleagues or even just sex partners)...

It's not about being a snob or feeling superior are some people (who probably have bad taste in music ) say ...

No matter what you say, the way you appreciate music shows an important part of your identity : I grew up a 'shit hop' head ( © Vainandy) and back in the days life was all about "bitches", "getting paid", "haters", "faggot" and such... All that negativity and low values that are part of the MAINSTREAM Hip-Hop. But with time I opened myself to different music genres, and I've actually realised that people with the most eclectic tatstes in music are the funniest to be around with, open minded and intelligent (no I'm not telling I consider myself that way, but i've observed that, generally)...

I realte a lot to Nick Hornby's character in "High Fidelity" : depending on people, moods, places, events, I tend to associate certain types of music...

But lil wayne and its Young money crew are definitly the Horsemen of the Apocalypse to me...

sextonseven said:

I'll go out on a limb and say those examples are anomalies (if the Katie Couric one is even true) and that those people don't listen to those artists all the time or even most of the time. One song or artist is not going to tell you much about someone. We're talking broader tastes here.

My mom mostly likes Sam Cooke, Johnnie Taylor, and 1960's & 1970's soul music. She doesn't like much else, maybe some gospel. It has nothing to do with her personality or how she acts. It's just what she enjoys and grew up with.

It plays a factor.
Not something i'd put someone down for, but it does tell me something.

I do believe that some that like to freely toss the "music snob" label around have a tendency to be those who are a bit uptight about their own musical tastes.
Not sure how one comes to the conclusion that because an individual has developed a certain standard for their listening habits that makes them a snob.

Especially if they're not criticizing what you happen to prefer musically.

Are you saying you've set no standards for other areas of your life?
And if you have, would you consider yourself a snob in that area? Didn't think so.


Music for adventurous listeners

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JoeTyler said:

My alarm bells

- 00's shit-hop, shit-dance, shit-pop. C'mon...

-90's and 00's bands only ("before Nirvana, there was nothing, only crap" or "OK Computer is definitely the best album of all time" )

-Only Jazz and classical music "real music, real musicians, bla bla bla, bli bli bli..."

-Underground & completely unknown pop/rock bands ()

-Punk

-Commercial country-pop (80's-00's), dumb blonde biatches with big tits and small brains...uggh , wait, that's cool...

[Edited 7/6/11 14:23pm]

@ that list!