mancabdriver said:

I would say Rihanna is more like the new Madonna - even more so than Lady Ga Ga:

- They both can’t sing and dance - yet have critical and commercial success

-But they have much better singles then their contempories with better voices (i.e. Beyonce and Whitney)

-They have great style, videos and re-invent their look almost with every video.

-They push the boundaries on what is tasteful and crass

-They have hit after hit

-They are hugely popular with white and black fans across the globe.

However

-Madonna should be credited for her song writing from the beginning of her career - I'm not sure if Rihanna writes her own music.

I Have said Rihanna is the most like madonna.

That is the reason why I don't like either.

I do feel though because beyonce can atleast perform, and somewhat sing, if just based on talent, she should be above both madonna and rihanna. But its the music that sucks. She doesn't have a decent album to save her career. She just tries to fit in, and not really be the ghetto country girl that she is. I have more respect for her when I see her being herself (which is very rarely).

I personally don't care for majority of Madonna's music either, but the public seems to like it, and I don't care for beyonce's music either.

RKJCNE said:

Like it or not, to my generation she is going to be legendary. On a Madonna level? I don't know. But alot of people I went to highschool with were calling her the female Michael Jackson.

and the people of your generation are IGNORANT! and don't know how to think for themselves.

RKJCNE said:

mancabdriver said:

I would say Rihanna is more like the new Madonna - even more so than Lady Ga Ga:

- They both can’t sing and dance - yet have critical and commercial success

-But they have much better singles then their contempories with better voices (i.e. Beyonce and Whitney)

-They have great style, videos and re-invent their look almost with every video.

-They push the boundaries on what is tasteful and crass

-They have hit after hit

-They are hugely popular with white and black fans across the globe.

However

-Madonna should be credited for her song writing from the beginning of her career - I'm not sure if Rihanna writes her own music.

When it comes to pop singers everbody says either they can't sing (Rihanna, Madonna) or they sing too loud (Beyonce, Christina). And I just flip my hair to that nonsense.

These videos did NOT prove shit, it only shows madonna cannot sing.

So keep flipping your hair

TotalAlisa said:

RKJCNE said:

Like it or not, to my generation she is going to be legendary. On a Madonna level? I don't know. But alot of people I went to highschool with were calling her the female Michael Jackson.

and the people of your generation are IGNORANT!

look who's talkin'!

you ain't real...

TotalAlisa said:

RKJCNE said:

Like it or not, to my generation she is going to be legendary. On a Madonna level? I don't know. But alot of people I went to highschool with were calling her the female Michael Jackson.

and the people of your generation are IGNORANT! and don't know how to think for themselves.

You don't strike me as being in any way the opposite of the word you capitalized.

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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

Beyonce is a great pop artist for this era of music, but something is missing....

Madonna was always a more calculated risk taker and I think that is part of the appeal to why she has stayed relevant for so long and why she is where she is in the music world. There was never a controversy Madonna didn't court. Madonna always knew how to manipulate controversy to her advantage time and time again.

Beyonce, on the other hand, seems formulaic. She never takes risk (and Sasha Fierce doesn't count) and stays in a safe zone musically. Beyonce is Rihanna with better vocal ability, choreography, and overall talent. Beyonce won't tackle anything of substance for fear of alienating sponsors, fans, and the record execs.

WHen its all said and done, Beyonce will be the biggest act of this current generation, but that is not really saying a whole lot. Her career trajectory will be more along the line of Mariah Carey in terms of following, not Madonna.

THIS^ might be the best opinion thus far.

JoeTyler said:

TonyVanDam said:

'Will Beyonce ever be on Madonna's level?

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NO

and, am I seeing an outer lip (aka, camel toe) or what?

There are plenty of better pictures of Beyonce's camel toe. But it is not the main topic of THIS thread!

TotalAlisa said:

RKJCNE said:

Like it or not, to my generation she is going to be legendary. On a Madonna level? I don't know. But alot of people I went to highschool with were calling her the female Michael Jackson.

and the people of your generation are IGNORANT! and don't know how to think for themselves.

@ RKJCNE & TotalAlisa......Please, both of you, chill the hell out before I feed the both of you:

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Until Beyonce gets over needing to be popular she'll never touch Madonna's level. She has to get better material and risk being vulnerable on songs. Madonna has touched upon so much of her personal life in her music whereas Beyonce is happy making booty poppin' tracks. Beyonce needs someone to collaborate with who can pull some genuine emotion out of her. Also Beyonce needs to stop trying to outshine her circle of friends(Kelly, Solange, Michelle). Solange may not have the better voice but she can definitely write better songs, picks better material and has more creative collaborators.

Alisa, how old are you if you don't mind me asking? I was in high school and uni when Destiny's Child were big, and they all know MJ is king.

chamber said:

TotalAlisa said:

and the people of your generation are IGNORANT! and don't know how to think for themselves.

You don't strike me as being in any way the opposite of the word you capitalized.

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you strike me... NO wait you don't strike me at all. Because I don't even know your screen name on here.

Who are you again????

TotalAlisa said:

chamber said:

You don't strike me as being in any way the opposite of the word you capitalized.

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you strike me... NO wait you don't strike me at all. Because I don't even know your screen name on here.

Who are you again????

of course you don't know me. You ain't real

JoeTyler said:

TotalAlisa said:

you strike me... NO wait you don't strike me at all. Because I don't even know your screen name on here.

Who are you again????

of course you don't know me. You ain't real

WAS I EVEN TALKING TO YOU

MIND YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS!

oh wait, so you are saying you and chamber are the same person. So that must mean you're not real, or you have two different identities.

BUSTED!!!!!!

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chamber said:

TotalAlisa said:

and the people of your generation are IGNORANT! and don't know how to think for themselves.

You don't strike me as being in any way the opposite of the word you capitalized.

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Oh for crying out loud Total is RIGHT. So total's view is ignorant just because of he or she opinion on Beyonce? It sounds like you are the one that is biased here because what total pointed out is a fact.

Most kids/teens of this generation DONT think for themselves. Most people for that matter, in general DONT think for themselves and rely on the media which is why music is so bad now because people rather listen to what the media tells them what good music is, who to watch, what records to buy instead of formulating THEIR OWN opinion.

Any time someone would compare a mediocre artist to a legend I would call it ignorant as well since they dont know any better and have been brainwashed.

Beyonce will NEVER be Madonna because what Madonna has did has already been done. What she should do is put out better music, put on some clothes, stop with selling the sexy diva image, stop chasing for accolades and hits, chill her ego out and come out with better music. At this point in time whoever likes her likes her I guess but she will never have that legendary status that she is so desperately chasing after. It takes and means more to being a legend then being popular and having accolades. She has yet to come out with a classic song, a classic album as well as a memorable performance that connects with the masses globally to even be in a rankings of that stature. She has yet to innovate anything, write a song, play an instrument or bring any originality in the industry where future artists can model from to be in a Madonna catagory.

Obviously, Beyonce is a talented singer but a legend SHE IS NOT, a Madonna SHE is not, an icon SHE IS NOT. She is just a big pop star of this generation. At this point, She should just put out good music and stop trying to be number one in everything... when mostly everything has already been done.

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kenny88 said:

Curtwill1975 said:

Have any of you listen to Bey's albums other than her singles. How about this album? If you haven't, then I think debating Bey's musical catalogue is moot.

And I will say this: I prefer Bey's music over Madonna all day every day. Bey's vocal arrangements on 4>>>>>>>>>Madonna whole catalogue.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

and of course, you prefer Beyoce's cataloge ... you're a stan.

It's the truth. Like it or not. Even if Bey was never in the industry, I would say the same thing about Madonna's music. I mean, it's not bad. Not great. I will say she has 3 classic albums though out of 15 and that's my objective non bias opinion. Now for entertainment purposes? Yeah, Madonna is that chick and is the Queen of Pop but Bey's vocal arrangements on 4 slay everything that Madonna has recorded and that's real talk as far as I am concerned.

If you were comparing Aretha's to Bey's work, I would never say that ever. And I am a fan of Bey before I am of Aretha, but Aretha is the 2nd greatest female vocalist from the beginning of the 20th century behind Ella. But Bey went to another level in vocal arrangement/performances and Madonna is not seeing them. It is what it is.

HonestMan13 said:

Until Beyonce gets over needing to be popular she'll never touch Madonna's level. She has to get better material and risk being vulnerable on songs. Madonna has touched upon so much of her personal life in her music whereas Beyonce is happy making booty poppin' tracks. Beyonce needs someone to collaborate with who can pull some genuine emotion out of her. Also Beyonce needs to stop trying to outshine her circle of friends(Kelly, Solange, Michelle). Solange may not have the better voice but she can definitely write better songs, picks better material and has more creative collaborators.

Have you actually listen to her album though? Apart from some of the singles?

Curtwill1975 said:

HonestMan13 said:

Until Beyonce gets over needing to be popular she'll never touch Madonna's level. She has to get better material and risk being vulnerable on songs. Madonna has touched upon so much of her personal life in her music whereas Beyonce is happy making booty poppin' tracks. Beyonce needs someone to collaborate with who can pull some genuine emotion out of her. Also Beyonce needs to stop trying to outshine her circle of friends(Kelly, Solange, Michelle). Solange may not have the better voice but she can definitely write better songs, picks better material and has more creative collaborators.

Have you actually listen to her album though? Apart from some of the singles?

I'm sure she has songs where she attempts to go 'deep' (I've heard some of them)but the thing is she isn't ready to push that image to the forefront and show that side of herself. Madonna went there on songs like Oh Father and Papa Don't Preach and instead of relegating those tracks to be album filler she pushed them as singles. It may have been risky but it paid off extremely well. beyonce want to make club bangers and that's cool but it's not going to build a legacy. Actually the one song I liked by Beyonce was 'Why Don't You Love Me?' because the lyrics were raw and showed vulnerability. It speaks volumes that it was written by her sister!

Beyonce will surpass Madonna easily.

She's already become a bit of a fashion icon/trend setter.

She had a hit song that damn near captivated a nation (Single Ladies)

She's made better movies than Madonna

She married a bigger baller than Madonna

She's had a more profitable career branding clothes and perfume

What she has left to do:

Adopt a kid from another country

Alienate or offend a good segment of the population with some tawdry sex book

Get nominated for a Golden Globe

Have a child with a horrible unibrow

Musicslave said:

murph said:

No...because she's not white....

Do you think any artist who's not white could become the "queen of pop" music or is whiteness a undisclosed prerequisite?

In the '80s era that Madonna came up in, the era of the Cross-Over Negro (MJ, Prince, Whitney, Tina ect...), yeah, being white mattered...

Especially, if u were utilizing sex as a jump off for your music...

Madonna just so happened to make some very cool pop songs and was savvy enough to work with the right producers...She was brilliant at this...

But an attractive white woman selling sex or taking on the sex symbol will always sell more records than an attractive black woman (Beyonce)....

Welcome to America...

@Hotgritz how is Beyonce a trendsetter when she never reinvents her image and most of her image has already been a image implemented in pop culture ex. Donna Summer, Tina Turner... Beyonce COPIES trends.. she doesnt MAKE them. Fashion/image is something she is popular for but she has by no means "innovated" that.

murph said:

Musicslave said:

Do you think any artist who's not white could become the "queen of pop" music or is whiteness a undisclosed prerequisite?

In the '80s era that Madonna came up in, the era of the Cross-Over Negro (MJ, Prince, Whitney, Tina ect...), yeah, being white mattered...

Especially, if u were utilizing sex as a jump off for your music...

Madonna just so happened to make some very cool pop songs and was savvy enough to work with the right producers...She was brilliant at this...

But an attractive white woman selling sex or taking on the sex symbol will always sell more records than an attractive black woman (Beyonce)....

Welcome to America...

Oh please STOP playing that card.

Isnt the BIGGEST solo act of all time black?

Wasnt the greatest female group of all time black?

Those artists as well as plenty others Aretha, Stevie, Marvin etc sweated and had to endure alot to get to the point where it is so easy for artists like Beyonce today. The success that Beyonce achieved was basically handed to her and I dont care what anybody says.

When Beyonce comes out with music that touches ALL demorgraphics, GLOBALLY, races, ages etc and STOP with selling superficial bullshit than she might get more respect. When she decides to put out classics and not generic crap just for a easy hit .. she might build up a legacy BUT until then I think all these comparisions with trying to make this woman a legend is just outright way out of hand now.

She hasnt contributed anything to music nor has she innovated anything to be even in a catagory as the artists mentioned, Madonna, Michael etc. I think that it is sad how words like legend, genius, icon etc are so EASILY tossed around today because the standards have dropped so low and since we are forced to look at a black women with fake hair, wears bathing suits and sings about puting a ring on it we have to accept that is great music and thats our icon??? pleasee... I'm all for seeing my successful black people make it BUT the media manipulation is just way to much now. At this point I think it is just outright ridiculous to play that race card when two of the successful artists now are BOTH black Beyonce, Rihanna and reasons why mostly has nothing to do with their music but image so please dont play that card in this situation especially when their was nothing Beyonce had to exactly struggle with to get to where she is UNLIKE her past peers who EXACTLY changed music. I know everyone has their opinion and all but I am just really tired of it. Calling her a legend or an icon is way over the top she hasnt done anything to be worthy of those titles.

It means more than having good vocals that makes a legend or Icon. Madonna is not a Icon because of her vocals but because of her MUSIC, images, videos, contributions that she has made to pop culture. While I am not a fan, she has a much better catalogue and more classics than Beyonce. I just really think they shouldnt even be compared, there is NO comparision.

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murph said:

Musicslave said:

Do you think any artist who's not white could become the "queen of pop" music or is whiteness a undisclosed prerequisite?

In the '80s era that Madonna came up in, the era of the Cross-Over Negro (MJ, Prince, Whitney, Tina ect...), yeah, being white mattered...

Especially, if u were utilizing sex as a jump off for your music...

Madonna just so happened to make some very cool pop songs and was savvy enough to work with the right producers...She was brilliant at this...

But an attractive white woman selling sex or taking on the sex symbol will always sell more records than an attractive black woman (Beyonce)....

Welcome to America...

Alright man, we all know racism exists, but just stop it. That's not true at all. Not everything is about racism.

smoothcriminal12 said:

murph said:

In the '80s era that Madonna came up in, the era of the Cross-Over Negro (MJ, Prince, Whitney, Tina ect...), yeah, being white mattered...

Especially, if u were utilizing sex as a jump off for your music...

Madonna just so happened to make some very cool pop songs and was savvy enough to work with the right producers...She was brilliant at this...

But an attractive white woman selling sex or taking on the sex symbol will always sell more records than an attractive black woman (Beyonce)....

Welcome to America...

Alright man, we all know racism exists, but just stop it. That's not true at all. Not everything is about racism.

I have to agree with Murph somewhat. But MJ was black and is the biggest star globally, but he was a MAN not a woman.

Like i said, Madonna doesn't deserve all the praise she is getting anyways. Beyonce works just as hard if not harder than Madonna. and I am not a fan of either. So that takes a lot for me to say something positive about beyonce.

TotalAlisa said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Alright man, we all know racism exists, but just stop it. That's not true at all. Not everything is about racism.

I have to agree with Murph somewhat. But MJ was black and is the biggest star globally, but he was a MAN not a woman.

Like i said, Madonna doesn't deserve all the praise she is getting anyways. Beyonce works just as hard if not harder than Madonna. and I am not a fan of either. So that takes a lot for me to say something positive about beyonce.

Thats not good rationalizing though and to me is exactly an excuse . Beyonce works hard? So I guess Jill Scott, India Arie, Erykah Badu, lets see Corinne Bailey, etc dont work hard in their craft or you just dont know about it? Because they have put out albums during the same times as Beyonce in the 00's decade and even now. Beyonce is apart of a commercial MACHINE which consists of a good marketing team and record label willing to invest and put in money not to mention her hunger to be in the spot light not so much to make good music OR perfect her craft but just for accolades/popularity which is a difference from an artist who exactly works hard and cares about putting out quality music Beyonce is just in it for the status. I bet if I had a good marketing squad it would seem like I worked my ass off day in and day out as well. I wont lie some of the credit does go to Beyonce but their are a crop of artists that are way more talented than Beyonce that work just as hard and some even harder than her by themself.. its just that they do not have the resources, label, market to support them so the bigger picture can not just be overlooked her.

Like I said earlier... The Supremes is the greatest black FEMALE group of ALL time

Aretha Franklin is the greatest black FEMALE solo singer of all time

And both are loved globally and have a catalogue full of classics so I still dont get the excuses. Beyonce's block to legend has NOTHING to do with the masses or racism... its her. Everyone simply is not going to fall for her overration and it is just as simple as that.

Her music is horrible what race whether blue, black purple, white is gonna listen to that mess 50 years from now??

Seriously, this has NOTHING to do with racism or gender. I see white people have no problem listening to Aretha, Billie Holiday etc... please

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mjscarousal said:

TotalAlisa said:

I have to agree with Murph somewhat. But MJ was black and is the biggest star globally, but he was a MAN not a woman.

Like i said, Madonna doesn't deserve all the praise she is getting anyways. Beyonce works just as hard if not harder than Madonna. and I am not a fan of either. So that takes a lot for me to say something positive about beyonce.

Thats not good rationalizing though and to me is exactly an excuse . Beyonce works hard? So I guess Jill Scott, India Arie, Erykah Badu, lets see Corinne Bailey, etc dont work hard in their craft or you just dont know about it? Because they have put out albums during the same times as Beyonce in the 00's decade and even now. Beyonce is apart of a commercial MACHINE which consists of a good marketing team and record label willing to invest and put in money not to mention her hunger to be in the spot light not so much to make good music OR perfect her craft but just for accolades/popularity which is a difference from an artist who exactly works hard and cares about putting out quality music Beyonce is just in it for the status.

Like I said earlier... The Supremes is the greatest black FEMALE group of ALL time

Aretha Franklin is the greatest black FEMALE solo singer of all time

And both are loved globally and have a catalogue full of classics so I still dont get the excuses. Beyonce's block to legend has NOTHING to do with the masses or racism... its her. Everyone simply is not going to fall for her overration and it is just as simple as that.

well, is Aretha as big as Madonna and i don't mean physically

I agree beyonce gets things handed to her, but i wasn't saying she is the Hardest worker, i was saying that she works probably as hard as Madonna, so why should she not be as famous or successful.

Music is a very subjective thing, because people have different tastes, I don't really like either artists catalogue, so they are pretty much equal in my eyes.

How many black female artist have been as popular/successful as Madonna???

TotalAlisa said:

mjscarousal said:

Thats not good rationalizing though and to me is exactly an excuse . Beyonce works hard? So I guess Jill Scott, India Arie, Erykah Badu, lets see Corinne Bailey, etc dont work hard in their craft or you just dont know about it? Because they have put out albums during the same times as Beyonce in the 00's decade and even now. Beyonce is apart of a commercial MACHINE which consists of a good marketing team and record label willing to invest and put in money not to mention her hunger to be in the spot light not so much to make good music OR perfect her craft but just for accolades/popularity which is a difference from an artist who exactly works hard and cares about putting out quality music Beyonce is just in it for the status.

Like I said earlier... The Supremes is the greatest black FEMALE group of ALL time

Aretha Franklin is the greatest black FEMALE solo singer of all time

And both are loved globally and have a catalogue full of classics so I still dont get the excuses. Beyonce's block to legend has NOTHING to do with the masses or racism... its her. Everyone simply is not going to fall for her overration and it is just as simple as that.

well, is Aretha as big as Madonna and i don't mean physically

I agree beyonce gets things handed to her, but i wasn't saying she is the Hardest worker, i was saying that she works probably as hard as Madonna, so why should she not be as famous or successful.

Music is a very subjective thing, because people have different tastes, I don't really like either artists catalogue, so they are pretty much equal in my eyes.

How many black female artist have been as popular/successful as Madonna???

Music is subjective but calling an artist a legend is VERY objective as well as saying that because she is a black woman she will never be Madonna like that is holding her back from having similiar success??? that is just stupid shit to me

People have came in here and gave valid reasons as to why she will never be Madonna just like their will NEVER be another Michael Jackson.. it just isnt no comparision. Maybe a better wording would be have similiar success. Beyonce will never have the same impact because she is not doing anything innovative and most of things Madonna did with videos,images, etc have already been done. Beyonce I doubt will go the controversy route in her image.. She has pretty much stayed with the same formula that has worked for her the moment she debut. She doesnt take risks and going by these last 4 albums she probably never will and she has already PEAKED so the likelihood of gaining that impact is zeroe. Its obsurd to compare her to Madonna as well as disrespectful. And I dont even like Madonna neither!! LOL

The reason why she wont be embraced globally has nothing to do with her race or gender but the effect and impact of her MUSIC which she fails to realize is essential in becoming a legend not how many grammys won, not how many movies you act horrible in, not how many photoshoots done, not how many albums sold, not how pretty you are, and not how popular you are at the MOMENT. There is NO connection with her and the audience. She is like a generated product created by the media and sadly she plays into that.. just no real emotion in her music as well as from her.

On Aretha/Madonna: I'll just say this Aretha is way more respected as far as her contributions and loved for her music more so than Madonna who is mostly praised for videos, images etc. I gave an example of a woman who is just damn near on the same scale as Madonna as far as global appeal through MUSIC.

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Curtwill1975 said:

kenny88 said:

Stop embarrassing yourself.

and of course, you prefer Beyoce's cataloge ... you're a stan.

It's the truth. Like it or not. Even if Bey was never in the industry, I would say the same thing about Madonna's music. I mean, it's not bad. Not great. I will say she has 3 classic albums though out of 15 and that's my objective non bias opinion. Now for entertainment purposes? Yeah, Madonna is that chick and is the Queen of Pop but Bey's vocal arrangements on 4 slay everything that Madonna has recorded and that's real talk as far as I am concerned.

If you were comparing Aretha's to Bey's work, I would never say that ever. And I am a fan of Bey before I am of Aretha, but Aretha is the 2nd greatest female vocalist from the beginning of the 20th century behind Ella. But Bey went to another level in vocal arrangement/performances and Madonna is not seeing them. It is what it is.

It's not the truth. It's just your stan delusions.

and yelling through bland uptempos and ballads doesn't 'slay'. Well, unless you're easily amused, that is.

But then again you seem to be critquing on vocals which is really the only argument Beyonce fans have. If we're speaking about the music (lyrics and production) then you should know that Beyonce is at the bottom of the totem pole.

You don't have to invent something totally new to be a trendsetter. Heck if that were the case then none of the heffas mentioned in this thread can claim that. Reinventing a look or adding your own influence to an exhisting trend can qualify you as a trendsetter. Heck between Bey's lacefronts and her house of derreon clothes she is a trendsetter enough for me.

HotGritz said:

You don't have to invent something totally new to be a trendsetter. Heck if that were the case then none of the heffas mentioned in this thread can claim that. Reinventing a look or adding your own influence to an exhisting trend can qualify you as a trendsetter. Heck between Bey's lacefronts and her house of derreon clothes she is a trendsetter enough for me.

Thats what a trendsetter DOES though LOL They introduce NEW trends and people FOLLOW LOL

Trendsetters are KNOWN for coming up with NEW ideas and innovating trends NOT FOLLOWING trends ALREADY implented

Diana Ross

Tina Turner

Donna Summer

Cher

Janet Jackson

etc

THEY were rocking the lacefronts, wigs, hair pieces, blonde hair, BIG HAIR, sparkles, leotard looks, showing skin way before Beyonce was even born and worked it more better as well. MOSTLY ALL pop acts do today is COPY shit already done.

Maybe a better wording would be... Beyonce copies trends and since she is the current it girl she gets the credit for it.. the same as Goo Goo Gaga AND the rest

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mjscarousal said:

HotGritz said:

You don't have to invent something totally new to be a trendsetter. Heck if that were the case then none of the heffas mentioned in this thread can claim that. Reinventing a look or adding your own influence to an exhisting trend can qualify you as a trendsetter. Heck between Bey's lacefronts and her house of derreon clothes she is a trendsetter enough for me.

Thats what a trendsetter DOES though LOL They introduce NEW trends and people FOLLOW LOL

Trendsetters are KNOWN for coming up with NEW ideas and innovating trends NOT FOLLOWING trends ALREADY implented

Diana Ross

Tina Turner

Donna Summer

Cher

Janet Jackson

etc

THEY were rocking the lacefronts, wigs, hair pieces, blonde hair, BIG HAIR, sparkles, leotard looks, showing skin way before Beyonce was even born and worked it more better as well. MOSTLY ALL pop acts do today is COPY shit already done.

According to your own definition Donna and Janet should not be considered trendsetters as the trend was already set by Tina, Diana and Cher.

HotGritz said:

mjscarousal said:

Thats what a trendsetter DOES though LOL They introduce NEW trends and people FOLLOW LOL

Trendsetters are KNOWN for coming up with NEW ideas and innovating trends NOT FOLLOWING trends ALREADY implented

Diana Ross

Tina Turner

Donna Summer

Cher

Janet Jackson

etc

THEY were rocking the lacefronts, wigs, hair pieces, blonde hair, BIG HAIR, sparkles, leotard looks, showing skin way before Beyonce was even born and worked it more better as well. MOSTLY ALL pop acts do today is COPY shit already done.

According to your own definition Donna and Janet should not be considered trendsetters as the trend was already set by Tina, Diana and Cher.

Dont get technical you get my point

But the point is, she is not a trendsetter. She FOLLOWS trends that have already been done countless of times by other artists and the trendsetter themselves.