armpit said:

Oh, please - there's no rule that in order to be a 'real' MJ fan, you have to hate the man's family and insult the shit out of them.

It's no so much about making excuses for anything, so much as acknowledging that we don't know what went on behind closed doors in order to say this or that, and it's also just a matter of respect. It's always really surreal to me and fucked up when fans make statements as though it's proven fact that this or that went on with his family, like they were in the room at the time.

I think a lot of it goes back to how delusional and overly-attached most MJ fans are. They listen to a few cds and watch the same videos over and over, go to a couple concerts and somehow forget that we didn't actually know the man or his family.

Man you really like to make a lot of generalization. And then you go and insult a large amount of the community. Wait a second now dude. First of all people who criticize MJ's family, criticize their public behavior and how they have treated MJ's name and legacy after his death. No one said that they know what they did in their private life. It's their public behavior that they criticize. And their public behaviour regaring MJ's is ridiculus. Some of these people would do and say anything for 10 seconds in the spot lights (See Latoya Jackson) while other would use MJ's name shamelesly in order to make money out of it (See Joe Jackson)

The Jackson family do those things PUBLICLY so they will get the criticism that they deserve for doing stupid things and exploiting so shamelesly MJ name.

It's stuff like this which is a decent percentage of the reason why I view MJ fans with such contempt. I AM a fan, but a lot of the time I'm ashamed to be one, and it's not because of MJ. Most of you guys are fucking sick and an outright embarassment.

Calm down dude becaue you seem like an delusional and overly-attached MJ fan , to quote your words.

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armpit said:

mjscarousal said:

Exactly!! And what pisses me off are the MJ fans well SOME MJ fans constant excuse for the Jackson family. They seem to be more of a fan of the family than MICHAEL!! If you mean to tell me MJ fans are willing to banned MJ fans for expressing themself over concern of HIS FAMILY USING HIM for money ??? smh I dont care if it was Michaels grandmother... they are a sorry excuse for a family... I have no respect for them.

Oh, please - there's no rule that in order to be a 'real' MJ fan, you have to hate the man's family and insult the shit out of them.

It's no so much about making excuses for anything, so much as acknowledging that we don't know what went on behind closed doors in order to say this or that, and it's also just a matter of respect. It's always really surreal to me and fucked up when fans make statements as though it's proven fact that this or that went on with his family, like they were in the room at the time.

I think a lot of it goes back to how delusional and overly-attached most MJ fans are. They listen to a few cds and watch the same videos over and over, go to a couple concerts and somehow forget that we didn't actually know the man or his family.

It's stuff like this which is a decent percentage of the reason why I view MJ fans with such contempt. I AM a fan, but a lot of the time I'm ashamed to be one, and it's not because of MJ. Most of you guys are fucking sick and an outright embarassment.

Its clear that you are not aware of the horrid behavior of the Jackson family otherwise you would not have the nerve to write this dumbass comment.

So you don't think the family feeding into the media spin that Michael was a drug addict and that was the cause of his death is NOT odd EVEN though the autopsy showed he died of propofol as well as other hospital drugs NO PRESCRIPTION. Since being they are his family dont you think they should at least know FULL accurate facts about how and what killed their family member INSTEAD of media bullish???

So you don't think their is anything wrong with suggesting interventions that never happened as well as switching up times, locations, stories, being vague and leaving room for individual interpretation in every interview on the families part KNOWING that any misrepresented thing said on Michael is going to be exploited?

So their is nothing disrespectful about flaunting and exploiting Michaels children in public and doing this for money KNOWING that was something that would not be happening if Michael was here and as well something he did NOT want?


So their is nothing disrespectful and trashy about exploiting Michaels name for profit through contracts, fake foundations for money, as well as getting involved with old shady associates that trashed Michael in the past?

So there is nothing disrespectful about how NONE of the Jacksons admit that they didnt know what was going on with Michael during his later years BUT insist on talking on his behalf like they were close when it is evident Michael was distance from them?

So is nothing disrespectful about how Jermaine and Randy USED Michael through Katherine to pay for their child support and expenses for THEIR children?

So their is nothing wrong with the family constantly making up lies and lawsuits against the Estate just to get all of Michaels money?

So their is nothing disrespectful about how Katherine had the audacity to go on Ofah a woman who basically said her son was a pedophile (which she as well as the family was AWARE of)to exploit HIS children? ALSO, she fed into Oprahs bullish and basically said all Ofah wanted her to say for publicity/profit... smh a damn shame.

So their is nothing wrong with:
Making countless TELL ALL book deals that were allegedly already in the making (YEA RIGHTT) BEFORE Michael passed to further inaccurately exploit him more as well as get money off of him?

There is nothing with
Making bold statements like Michael was murder and other people were involved in his passing WITHOUT no evidence to back it up?

So there is nothing disrespectful about them:
Basically going on with their business ventures with the new exposure since Michaels passing and not even thinking twice or putting in effort or caring about the Murray trial?

Wow so I guess all those things means shit and the Michael Jackson fans are crazy lunatics for no reason?

Your out of your mind or just in denial. Their a catastrophe. There behavior since his passing has been absolutely appalling since THEY ARE HIS FAMILY. Their are NO excuses for it.

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I'm getting too much of a headache to read all that though I saw all that too and cringed and am trying to not get stressed out and emotionally involved. Sometimes, I just wish I could hand over my fan pass cause of stupid drama and bullshit like this when it comes to that family, though at the end of the day, I love them like any soap opera or imperfect person I know and know they have the best jams ever.

At least being into Janet doesn't make me go back to this BS to deal with. And at least when I'm listening to MJ at a time when I'm not sad enough to start crying that he's gone this way, I'm not thinking about these people that mean nothing to me.

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armpit said:

It's stuff like this which is a decent percentage of the reason why I view MJ fans with such contempt. I AM a fan, but a lot of the time I'm ashamed to be one, and it's not because of MJ. Most of you guys are fucking sick and an outright embarassment.

Can I be honest with you?

I find the fact that you are, constantly, putting down others here and everywhere else, simply, because they don't agree with you to be even more troubling. I also, find the fact that you, really, are so concerned about the opinions of others that you actually said that you are 'ashamed' of being a fan or being associated with the fandom just as crazy. Like really? The fact that you are ashamed of being associated with anything is really just your problem; not ours or anyone else's. You think that someone who hates the Jackson family would be justified to come up in here and claim that people who like the family and don't view them in a negative light are an embarrassment to the fandom and make them ashamed to be a MJ fan? I, highly, doubt it. They would be just as wrong as you.

Online =/ real life. There's a very real chance that half of those people out in the real world who are fans of MJ (casuals or those who don't even visit online communities) don't even know shit about what's going on here or with his family. They just like MJ, in some form or fashion. That being said, I assume that a lot of people here don't even know who the hell you are. In many respects, it's still an, sorta, annoymous message board. Everyone here is allowed to air their opinions and whether you agree with them or not is really not that serious and has no bearing on your online handle.

Even if you are a dedicated fan, more power to you, but that doesn't justify you making broad sweeping generalizations either. The loud ones don't, necessarily, represent a whole. You are not so special that you are the only MJ fan out in the world that makes sense while everyone else is just bat ass crazy. That's just as bad when people label all Americans as ignorant, dumb, racist assholes or all Muslims as terrorists simply because there are a very small group of people that are like that. Like fuck that shit.

It is true, many of us don't really know what went on behind closed doors, but at the same time (as pointed out many times) their public behavior is up for criticism; since it is in public. If you don't want to criticize it, that's fine, but just as we respect you for your choice, you should respect those who feel it necessary. That's how people with a healthy mentality operate. From what I have seen, no one has really heavily criticized you for not talking shit about them. If you don't agree with it, then just don't do it. It's really just that simple.

You are right that it applies to other artists as well, because a lot of fans do this. That being said, I do listen to a lot of MJ, but it's not because I have 'tunnel-vision.' It's because he's one of my two favorite artists. As much as I like to listen to a lot of music & artists (I'm always trying to add to my collection), it's very rare that I, actually, like an artist's entire discography. It's usually a few songs here and there or just maybe one album.

Either way, I find something like that to be a common behavior shared amongst fandoms.

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It'll be interesting to see how the family acts/behaves when the trial starts. I always knew that family was dysfunctional however, since Michael's passing, having read up on their history and observing their actions post-MJ, I didnt realize just how twisted and sad this family really is. I dont hate them, I feel very sorry for them.

Okay, time to shut up and dance

Timmy84 said:

Yeah but for real, I mean, it ain't like all of them are like that. Jackie, Tito, Janet and Marlon seem to be real sincere with their shit about how they feel about their brother. But anyways, I guess if folks wanna see the good in all of them, good for them.

Oh, I have no beef with Marlon, Tito and especially Jackie. I wish it could be them that could represent MJ. It pisses me off that the media instead chooses the Jacksons that will play into their agenda.

alphastreet said:

Okay, time to shut up and dance

Are you serious? I know you claim you CRINGE when hearing the original but fuck it lol

mookie said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah but for real, I mean, it ain't like all of them are like that. Jackie, Tito, Janet and Marlon seem to be real sincere with their shit about how they feel about their brother. But anyways, I guess if folks wanna see the good in all of them, good for them.

Oh, I have no beef with Marlon, Tito and especially Jackie. I wish it could be them that could represent MJ. It pisses me off that the media instead chooses the Jacksons that will play into their agenda.

Exactly.

I CRINGE at the original? You've clearly mixed me up with someone else, I think it's one of his best songs ever. If I ever said something like that, maybe you misunderstood me cause it could have been over getting emotional at the sound of it.

alphastreet said:

I CRINGE at the original? You've clearly mixed me up with someone else, I think it's one of his best songs ever. If I ever said something like that, maybe you misunderstood me cause it could have been over getting emotional at the sound of it.

Maybe it's the wrong words, but the cover is cringe worthy for real lol

I love Brandy and she did well, otherwise no one can touch that song

Timmy84 said:

mookie said:

Oh, I have no beef with Marlon, Tito and especially Jackie. I wish it could be them that could represent MJ. It pisses me off that the media instead chooses the Jacksons that will play into their agenda.

Exactly.

It's always the media's fault. Those meanies are conspiring against the poor Jacksons.

Timmy84 said:

alphastreet said:

Okay, time to shut up and dance

Are you serious? I know you claim you CRINGE when hearing the original but fuck it lol

Go Timmy!

America's Best Dance Crew Champions: JabbaWockeeZ & IaMmE (2/6 of them) pay homage to MJ

Unholyalliance said:

armpit said:

It's stuff like this which is a decent percentage of the reason why I view MJ fans with such contempt. I AM a fan, but a lot of the time I'm ashamed to be one, and it's not because of MJ. Most of you guys are fucking sick and an outright embarassment.

Can I be honest with you?

I find the fact that you are, constantly, putting down others here and everywhere else, simply, because they don't agree with you to be even more troubling. I also, find the fact that you, really, are so concerned about the opinions of others that you actually said that you are 'ashamed' of being a fan or being associated with the fandom just as crazy. Like really? The fact that you are ashamed of being associated with anything is really just your problem; not ours or anyone else's. You think that someone who hates the Jackson family would be justified to come up in here and claim that people who like the family and don't view them in a negative light are an embarrassment to the fandom and make them ashamed to be a MJ fan? I, highly, doubt it. They would be just as wrong as you.

Online =/ real life. There's a very real chance that half of those people out in the real world who are fans of MJ (casuals or those who don't even visit online communities) don't even know shit about what's going on here or with his family. They just like MJ, in some form or fashion. That being said, I assume that a lot of people here don't even know who the hell you are. In many respects, it's still an, sorta, annoymous message board. Everyone here is allowed to air their opinions and whether you agree with them or not is really not that serious and has no bearing on your online handle.

Even if you are a dedicated fan, more power to you, but that doesn't justify you making broad sweeping generalizations either. The loud ones don't, necessarily, represent a whole. You are not so special that you are the only MJ fan out in the world that makes sense while everyone else is just bat ass crazy. That's just as bad when people label all Americans as ignorant, dumb, racist assholes or all Muslims as terrorists simply because there are a very small group of people that are like that. Like fuck that shit.

It is true, many of us don't really know what went on behind closed doors, but at the same time (as pointed out many times) their public behavior is up for criticism; since it is in public. If you don't want to criticize it, that's fine, but just as we respect you for your choice, you should respect those who feel it necessary. That's how people with a healthy mentality operate. From what I have seen, no one has really heavily criticized you for not talking shit about them. If you don't agree with it, then just don't do it. It's really just that simple.

You're the one taking time out of your day to sit online and write essays lecturing me because I won't jump on the bandwagon and agree with you people that MJ's family sucks. And I'll say whatever I damn well please, and I've been around enough fans for enough years that I can say what I'm saying with confidence.

It's about respect. It's incredibly fucked up for you people to go around absolutely just shitting on this man's family when you don't know them and know absolutely nothing about them. How would you like it if people who didn't know you and your family, were always talking shit about them and stating things as fact when they weren't there and don't know?

And the fact that so many fans feel absolutely entitled to do it and then want to try and get defensive when you call them out on it, says alot about the all-around assholery and mental instability of most MJ fans. MJ was a better person than me because if you guys shat on my family like that, I'd have verbally bitchslapped you over it more than a few times.

He deserved a way better fanbase than the ones he got. You guys are always talking about love and respect and you never, ever, actually live up to what you're preaching and carry that out. You're the most hypocritical, mentally-ill, disgusting fanbase I've ever seen. You guys need to remember our place in this whole thing - we buy fucking cds. So damn what. That doesn't mean we know any of these people in order to judge them or verbally attack them.

Unholyalliance said:

Even if you are a dedicated fan, more power to you, but that doesn't justify you making broad sweeping generalizations either. The loud ones don't, necessarily, represent a whole. You are not so special that you are the only MJ fan out in the world that makes sense while everyone else is just bat ass crazy. That's just as bad when people label all Americans as ignorant, dumb, racist assholes or all Muslims as terrorists simply because there are a very small group of people that are like that. Like fuck that shit.

It is true, many of us don't really know what went on behind closed doors, but at the same time (as pointed out many times) their public behavior is up for criticism; since it is in public. If you don't want to criticize it, that's fine, but just as we respect you for your choice, you should respect those who feel it necessary. That's how people with a healthy mentality operate. From what I have seen, no one has really heavily criticized you for not talking shit about them. If you don't agree with it, then just don't do it. It's really just that simple.

Thank you.

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♬ Little darling hoold mee ~ I want ya standing next to me ♬

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armpit said:

Unholyalliance said:

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

What did the opening scene to Black or White have to do with ANYTHING?

Why was LaToya cock blocking MJ's game in The Way You Make Me Feel?

Why did Spike turn into a damn MOUNTAIN in Speed Demon?

Smooth Criminal...Sooooooooooooo you just gonna start the short film with him pulling up as a damn car?

1.) Just an excuse to get stars on his video since, you know, he got it like that.

2.) La Toya being in that video didn't make sense at all.

3.) Who knows?

4.) The entire "Moonwalker" film was weird anyways. Nothing made sense.

Hey! Moonwalker made TOTAL sense to my then three year-old kid at the time; he wore that VHS tape out!

I'm not sure if this was brought up before, or how reliable the source is, but about a week ago I found this article about Michael Jackson's time as a Jehovah's Witness and why he really left the religion (I thought it was because of the Thriller video controversy, but according to this article, I was wrong). Anyway, since Prince is a JW too, I thought some might find this interesting.

http://www.goddiscussion....s-witness/

For those that aren't interested enough to read it, it says among other things, that Michael payed someone during the victory tour to find a Kingdom Hall in every city the tour stopped in so he wouldn't miss a meeting, and that the JW elders told Michael he'd be kicked out of the religion if he ever talked to LaToya again, as she wasn't coming to the meetings anymore (so I guess they kicked her out too).

He left the religion in the late 80s, which is around the time he started to get more arrogant, and not long before his career started to decline. I wonder if his life would've been different had he stayed a Witness?

The1592 said:

I'm not sure if this was brought up before, or how reliable the source is, but about a week ago I found this article about Michael Jackson's time as a Jehovah's Witness and why he really left the religion (I thought it was because of the Thriller video controversy, but according to this article, I was wrong). Anyway, since Prince is a JW too, I thought some might find this interesting.

http://www.goddiscussion....s-witness/

For those that aren't interested enough to read it, it says among other things, that Michael payed someone during the victory tour to find a Kingdom Hall in every city the tour stopped in so he wouldn't miss a meeting, and that the JW elders told Michael he'd be kicked out of the religion if he ever talked to LaToya again, as she wasn't coming to the meetings anymore (so I guess they kicked her out too).

He left the religion in the late 80s, which is around the time he started to get more arrogant, and not long before his career started to decline. I wonder if his life would've been different had he stayed a Witness?

I doubt it. I think he felt the religion was distancing himself from what he REALLY wanted to do and he found out that while he still believed in God (he still called him Jehovah on occasion), he didn't wanna be a part of a sect that was so conservative like that.

According to the article, Michael followed the religion very strictly (though the article's main source is a Latoya Jackson book), and after he abandoned organized religion, he started seeing himself as a king, got caught up in the rich and famous lifestlye, then the public turned on him because he became so egotistical and "werid". It seems like a strict religion might have kept him humble and "normal", and maybe things wouldn't have went so bad for him.

SOMETHING INTERESTING i realized about mike is when he would talk about his childhood and how he missed out, he would always mention missing holidays and birthdays etc.

Thats the result of their religion right? he would never come out and say it though.

Nvncible1 said:

SOMETHING INTERESTING i realized about mike is when he would talk about his childhood and how he missed out, he would always mention missing holidays and birthdays etc.

Thats the result of their religion right? he would never come out and say it though.

I never heard him say that, but yes, witnesses do not celebrate birthdays or most (any?) holidays.

JabarR74 said:

America's Best Dance Crew Champions: JabbaWockeeZ & IaMmE (2/6 of them) pay homage to MJ

Guess nobody on this thread likes ABDC!

The1592 said:

Nvncible1 said:

SOMETHING INTERESTING i realized about mike is when he would talk about his childhood and how he missed out, he would always mention missing holidays and birthdays etc.

Thats the result of their religion right? he would never come out and say it though.

I never heard him say that, but yes, witnesses do not celebrate birthdays or most (any?) holidays.

He mentioned it a lot. Whenever he spoke about his childhood, he talked about not celebrating holidays and birthdays. I read somewhere he even sat through a sermon about how he wasn't a good role model

JabarR74 said:

JabarR74 said:

America's Best Dance Crew Champions: JabbaWockeeZ & IaMmE (2/6 of them) pay homage to MJ

Guess nobody on this thread likes ABDC!

You've posted that "Whatever Happens" at least twice in the other MJ threads. Just because someone doesn't comment on the video doesn't mean they didn't look at it...

Yeah they probably looked at it on the actual YouTube page and commented on there.

The1592 said:

According to the article, Michael followed the religion very strictly (though the article's main source is a Latoya Jackson book), and after he abandoned organized religion, he started seeing himself as a king, got caught up in the rich and famous lifestlye, then the public turned on him because he became so egotistical and "werid". It seems like a strict religion might have kept him humble and "normal", and maybe things wouldn't have went so bad for him.

In my opinion Michael was very humble. There were alot of things he did for other people,and charities everywhere that he never broadcast about doing. He just did it,he did'nt feel the need to announce it to the world.