Why are Michael's videos disappearing from youtube? Vevo's removing them...

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Why are Michael's videos disappearing from youtube? Vevo's removing them...

This should cheer you up. This duo, Pomplamoose, is amazing and this is some incredible cover. This is a new form of music video they basically invented, where every note you see being played in the video, can also be heard in the recording. They call them VideoSongs, once you watch a few, you see what's going on and they becomes quite addictive. I call them amazing. (I recommend watching in HD.)

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ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Michael would've been so proud...

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Really? If you thought this kid was good, I can't wait to hear what you think of Pomplamoose!

Imaginative said:

Swa said:

My point was though in this instance many of the elements of the song that really elevated Kiss from a blues based song to a distinctive funk hit were Mazarati's contribution. Either way they received no credit for it, not even as arrangers. Without derailing the conversation I would be interested to see how you view artists like jay-z and kanye. Are they just doing cover versions? After all, *all* they are doing are putting new and original lyrics to preexisting music. [Edited 7/8/11 18:35pm]

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about now; it's so far removed from anything close to what I've said. I never criticized anyone for doing cover versions. I also never criticized Jackson for embellishing "Mask". You really don't seem to be following along too well. You seem nice, but you're going to have to get with the program. I would reiterate my views, but even I have no desire to sound like a broken record. You're going to have to go back and read and figure it out for yourself. I've made myself abundantly clear.

I really don't pay much attention to artists like Jay-Z and Kanye. I've never heard them do anything objectionable.

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Oh I follow along well enough.

You claimed that Behind the Mask was a cover version. It is clearly not.

I disagreed as felt that in the true sense of a cover version - Behind The Mask did not fit this description. No-one is denying Michael used the track as the basis for his evolution, but you seemed to want to downplay his contribution.

All I was doing was clarifying that it wasn't a cover - but rather an evolution of the track.

And maybe it's hard to "get with the program" as you suggest, but it seems whenever you are presented with an alternative point of view you disagree with, you either avoid the points raised or deliberately set out to create a new issue to debate.

I'm always happy to discuss other's opinions.

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The Pomplamoose stuff is always cool to see. I had seen these a few months back. It is an impressive cover. If you like their stuff you might want to also check out Lasse Gjertsen (assuming you haven't already) as the Pomplamoose stuff is very reminiscent of his work.

Rather than post his clip as it's not Jackson related - here is the link http://www.youtube.com/wa...zqumbhfxRo

Several news reports are now discussing Jackson's secret art collection worth $900 million.

The news story's seem unclear about what it contains - is it work Michael created himself, or artwork by others he acquired.

As much as I think Michael was talented as an illustrator, I find it hard to believe that his own artwork would be valued at $900 million.

If it is a mix of his own original work, but mostly that of others then the evaluation might be correct.

Time will tell no doubt.

Swa said:

I'm always happy to discuss other's opinions.

You should, definitely, discuss opinions with someone who isn't trying to troll this shit out this thread though. I could, literally, sit here and pull out the inconsistencies in all of his aguments, but instead of trying to address them he will just deny it and create some new nonsense that's not even relevant. I love to discuss opinions just like anyone else, but it should turn into an enlightening or fun debate. Not one where the discussion is going in circles, on crazy tangents, or the other party resorts to trolling, because they were proven wrong multiple times since they are full of shit. It's pointless and it goes nowhere.

If Thriller is considered to be his blessing and his curse, then not having recorded Thriller would also be his blessing and his curse then too no? I mean, yeah , he could have had a much more normal life, but at what price? He was someone who was determined to prove others wrong and to prove his worth, not only to others, but to himself as well. To think...for him to live in a world where he couldn't fulfill his dreams & to prove others wrong about how successful he, a black artist, could be. How much more depressed would he have been? How much different the world would have been for us and everyone else if he hadn't.

Would a movie, such as, Purple Rain exist back in 1984 had MJ not had the roaring success of Thriller? What about Whitney Houston, what would have happened to her career? What kind of artist would Madonna ended up being? Or what about things, such as the Cosby Show? Would radio, eventually have crossed over? Oprah? Celine Dion? Beyonce and etc.? MTV? What would have happened to Quincy's career as a celebrated producer?

So yeah, he would have been recording like crazy, because he would, always, be chasing what others would have considered a pipe dream. Constantly doing all these things, but never actually achieving his real goal in life. That kinda sounds really depressing. I mean, yeah we would have more music, but since he wouldn't be 'Michael Jackson' no one would really care. He would be a sort of has-been with moderate success. Even for all the crazy shit that surrounds his life, I still think that Michael Jackson represented hope to some people. He represents what is possible to achieve no matter who you are...to sound kinda naive about it.

Tbqh, I don't think he, I, nor a lot of other people would have it any other way. Even for all of the drama it entailed, I dont' think he regretted recording Thriller even if he had wondered what life would have been like if he didn't.

Or maybe a solo album by any other name would have been just as successful?

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It's actually not that hard to follow along with my views. Among the praise I've placed on Jackson's best work (which I've also been criticized for), I've made the following claims:

I claimed "Behind the Mask" was a cover version. Being that the song existed for 4 years before QJ took the track to Jackson in '82, I really didn't think it was a extraordinary claim. I never attached a value to the fact that it was a cover version, the rest of the population here did. I also never downplayed Jackson's contribution to the track, other than literally quoting the "Wiki" article and questioning Jackson's motives.

Yes, I claimed that prolificness was not among Jackson's gifts. Again, some of you disagreed or felt compelled to rationalize the sporadicalness of his output. Once again, I really didn't think I was making a controversial claim. You really need to learn to disagree and get over it.

There is a very vocal minority in this thread that seems to want to turn everything I say into an argument. I'm bullied into praising Jackson, so I list all of the things I like about his art. Then I am criticized for not liking the same thing, and even more ridiculously, faking my praise. (!!?!) I'm asked to repeat my argument, and then I'm told I sound like a broken record. Jesus Cocksucking Christ, what will it take to help you people move on...? Do you really need me to agree with everything you claim? Is it that important to you?

I started a Dylan Appreciation Thread. Not everyone agrees with my original post, but I think the "vocal minority" here can learn something about the graciousness with which we listen and handle other people's point of view. Even the one Jacko Zombie Troll who felt compelled to come in just to in just to say Dylan doesn't have "smidgen of talent," was at first answered politely and then shown the door. It makes me wonder the age of the folks here who can't seem to move on, because you really are carrying on like a bunch of spoiled, entitled, Millennial children.

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Imaginative said:

It's actually not that hard to follow along with my views. Among the praise I've placed on Jackson's best work (which I've also been criticized for), I've made the following claims:

I claimed "Behind the Mask" was a cover version. Being that the song existed for 4 years before QJ took the track to Jackson in '82, I really didn't think it was a extraordinary claim. I never attached a value to the fact that it was a cover version, the rest of the population here did. I also never downplayed Jackson's contribution to the track, other than literally quoting the "Wiki" article and questioning Jackson's motives.

Yes, I claimed that prolificness was not among Jackson's gifts. Again, some of you disagreed or felt compelled to rationalize the sporadicalness of his output. Once again, I really didn't think I was making a controversial claim. You really need to learn to disagree and get over it.

There is a very vocal minority in this thread that seems to want to turn everything I say into an argument. I'm bullied into praising Jackson, so I list all of the things I like about his art. Then I am criticized for not liking the same thing, and even more ridiculously, faking my praise. (!!?!) I'm asked to repeat my argument, and then I'm told I sound like a broken record. Jesus Cocksucking Christ, what will it take to help you people move on...? Do you really need me to agree with everything you claim? Is it that important to you?

I started a Dylan Appreciation Thread. Not everyone agrees with my original post, but I think the "vocal minority" here can learn something about the graciousness with we listen and handle other people's point of view. Even the one Jacko Zombie Troll who felt compelled to come in just to in just to say Dylan doesn't have "smidgen of talent," was at first answered politely and then shown the door. It makes me wonder the age of the folks here who can't seem to move on, because you really are carrying on like a bunch of spoiled, entitled, Millennial children.

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Well same can be said about you. You made your point about Jackson. Time to move on.

mjpersempre said:

Well same can be said about you. You made your point about Jackson. Time to move on.

Lord know's I've tried. But...

Unholyalliance said:

Swa said:

I'm always happy to discuss other's opinions.

You should, definitely, discuss opinions with someone who isn't trying to troll this shit out this thread though. I could, literally, sit here and pull out the inconsistencies in all of his aguments, but instead of trying to address them he will just deny it and create some new nonsense that's not even relevant. I love to discuss opinions just like anyone else, but it should turn into an enlightening or fun debate. Not one where the discussion is going in circles, on crazy tangents, or the other party resorts to trolling, because they were proven wrong multiple times since they are full of shit. It's pointless and it goes nowhere.

NaughtyKitty said:

What do you guys think Michael's life would have been like if he had never recorded Thriller? I've often wondered about how different his life would have been. I'm sure he'd still perform and record, but perhaps without the crushing, crazy, isolating fame it brought maybe he would've had a happier, free-er existence? Thriller was a tremendous blessing for him, but sometimes it seems like it was a kind of a curse for him as well. Thoughts?

If Thriller is considered to be his blessing and his curse, then not having recorded Thriller would also be his blessing and his curse then too no? I mean, yeah , he could have had a much more normal life, but at what price? He was someone who was determined to prove others wrong and to prove his worth, not only to others, but to himself as well. To think...for him to live in a world where he couldn't fulfill his dreams & to prove others wrong about how successful he, a black artist, could be. How much more depressed would he have been? How much different the world would have been for us and everyone else if he hadn't.

Would a movie, such as, Purple Rain exist back in 1984 had MJ not had the roaring success of Thriller? What about Whitney Houston, what would have happened to her career? What kind of artist would Madonna ended up being? Or what about things, such as the Cosby Show? Would radio, eventually have crossed over? Oprah? Celine Dion? Beyonce and etc.? MTV? What would have happened to Quincy's career as a celebrated producer?

So yeah, he would have been recording like crazy, because he would, always, be chasing what others would have considered a pipe dream. Constantly doing all these things, but never actually achieving his real goal in life. That kinda sounds really depressing. I mean, yeah we would have more music, but since he wouldn't be 'Michael Jackson' no one would really care. He would be a sort of has-been with moderate success. Even for all the crazy shit that surrounds his life, I still think that Michael Jackson represented hope to some people. He represents what is possible to achieve no matter who you are...to sound kinda naive about it.

Tbqh, I don't think he, I, nor a lot of other people would have it any other way. Even for all of the drama it entailed, I dont' think he regretted recording Thriller even if he had wondered what life would have been like if he didn't.

Or maybe a solo album by any other name would have been just as successful?

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You may have a point with the likes of Oprah, Madonna and even Prince, however Quincy was already a highly, regarded producer, well before MJ. I mean this is someone who was producing Jazz artists, Sinatra etc well before Jackson came along. As usual most hard-core fans are getting popular and reputable mixed up. Quincy with or without MJ was always highly reputable . The MJ connection made him more popular to the masses, but not necessarily more highly regarded.

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Imaginative said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Why are Michael's videos disappearing from youtube? Vevo's removing them...

This should cheer you up. This duo, Pomplamoose, is amazing and this is some incredible cover. This is a new form of music video they basically invented, where every note you see being played in the video, can also be heard in the recording. They call them VideoSongs, once you watch a few, you see what's going on and they becomes quite addictive. I call them amazing. (I recommend watching in HD.)

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Hmm, well, I appreciate the effort. They're alright, and it's an interesting take on "Beat It". However, I found the singer to be sort of detached. Not enough soul or emotion in her voice for my liking. But it was good. Thanks for sharing.

I still would like to have the original video though. It's probably just house cleaning that Vevo's doing. I'm sure they'll be back...

Imaginative said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Michael would've been so proud...

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Really? If you thought this kid was good, I can't wait to hear what you think of Pomplamoose!

Why not? I think he's got some talent, even though ABC is too high, key wise for him to sing.

Michael's proud of any and all people/children who dance, sing, or play his music. And I thought this little boy was cute too...

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Imaginative said:

Really? If you thought this kid was good, I can't wait to hear what you think of Pomplamoose!

Why not? I think he's got some talent, even though ABC is too high, key wise for him to sing.

Michael's proud of any and all people/children who dance, sing, or play his music. And I thought this little boy was cute too...

I guess all little kids are cute in one way or another. He was off-key most of the time, and seemed a little too precocious for my liking. Too bad you didn't like Pomplamoose more; I guess they played too many instruments for your taste.

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Imaginative said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Why not? I think he's got some talent, even though ABC is too high, key wise for him to sing.

Michael's proud of any and all people/children who dance, sing, or play his music. And I thought this little boy was cute too...

I guess all little kids are cute in one way or another. He was off-key most of the time, and seemed a little too precocious for my liking. Too bad you didn't like Pomplamoose more; I guess they played too many instruments for your taste.

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Actually, they didn't play enough. But I'm not an instrumentation snob. Sometimes you can make a big impact with fewer instruments than with an orchestra. My issue is mostly with her singing. She needs more emotion in her voice.

Too precious for your liking? That made me

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Too precious for your liking? That made me

Not "precious," precocious... silly! Meaning a little full of himself, but better too high a self-esteem than too low, I say. (But "just right" is just right.)

So this thread is now more about the rantings of a particular individual?

whatsgoingon said:

You may have a point with the likes of Oprah, Madonna and even Prince, however Quincy was already a highly, regarded producer, well before MJ. I mean this is someone who was producing Jazz artists, Sinatra etc well before Jackson came along. As usual most hard-core fans are getting popular and reputable mixed up. Quincy with or without MJ was always highly reputable . The MJ connection made him more popular to the masses, but not necessarily more highly regarded.

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=/

Jesus christ.

All I said was: what would have happened to his career as a producer had it not been for Thriller? Would he have stayed doing jazz or would he have, eventually, ventured into r&b and/or popular music on his own and been as highly regarded in that area? I mean, when you are good at one thing, it's hard for people to see you doing something else. You have to prove yourself. This happened to Quincy too when Michael approached the people at CBS/Epic about wanting Quincy to be his producer right? Like damn! I didn't mention anything about whether he was popular or reputable or that he would have had no career as a producer had it not been for MJ.

Please, don't take your frustration with the MJ fandom on me.

(inb4 someone argues that jazz is popular music too. Yeah I know that, but, hopefully, you get what I'm saying.)

Imaginative said:

It's actually not that hard to follow along with my views. Among the praise I've placed on Jackson's best work (which I've also been criticized for), I've made the following claims:

I claimed "Behind the Mask" was a cover version. Being that the song existed for 4 years before QJ took the track to Jackson in '82, I really didn't think it was a extraordinary claim. I never attached a value to the fact that it was a cover version, the rest of the population here did. I also never downplayed Jackson's contribution to the track, other than literally quoting the "Wiki" article and questioning Jackson's motives.

Yes, I claimed that prolificness was not among Jackson's gifts. Again, some of you disagreed or felt compelled to rationalize the sporadicalness of his output. Once again, I really didn't think I was making a controversial claim. You really need to learn to disagree and get over it.

There is a very vocal minority in this thread that seems to want to turn everything I say into an argument. I'm bullied into praising Jackson, so I list all of the things I like about his art. Then I am criticized for not liking the same thing, and even more ridiculously, faking my praise. (!!?!) I'm asked to repeat my argument, and then I'm told I sound like a broken record. Jesus Cocksucking Christ, what will it take to help you people move on...? Do you really need me to agree with everything you claim? Is it that important to you?

I started a Dylan Appreciation Thread. Not everyone agrees with my original post, but I think the "vocal minority" here can learn something about the graciousness with which we listen and handle other people's point of view. Even the one Jacko Zombie Troll who felt compelled to come in just to in just to say Dylan doesn't have "smidgen of talent," was at first answered politely and then shown the door. It makes me wonder the age of the folks here who can't seem to move on, because you really are carrying on like a bunch of spoiled, entitled, Millennial children.

[Edited 7/9/11 9:54am]

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

This thread has gone ta hell....

It been honey…*stops* I was about to say something else but forget it. I’m not in the mood

Moving on...Does anyone know when the next Michael Jackson project is being released?

ViintageJunkiie said:

Moving on...Does anyone know when the next Michael Jackson project is being released?

As in what a new album? I thought something Michael related was supposed to be release every two years?. Not sure….. they might be taking their time now with the posthumous albums after how the first one was received.

babybugz said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Moving on...Does anyone know when the next Michael Jackson project is being released?

As in what a new album? I thought something Michael related was supposed to be release every two years?. Not sure….. they might be taking their time now with the posthumous albums after how the first one was received.

Yeah as in new album. So theres no official word on any new projects? Hopefully they do it right this time

ViintageJunkiie said:

babybugz said:

As in what a new album? I thought something Michael related was supposed to be release every two years?. Not sure….. they might be taking their time now with the posthumous albums after how the first one was received.

Yeah as in new album. So theres no official word on any new projects? Hopefully they do it right this time

Dr. Freeze said that the next album is going to include Blue Gangster and A Place With No Name. He was "remixing" them for the next one. I think Slave To The Rhythm may be included too. The version that we know isn't the original mix that we thought it was. It was originally produced by Babyface and LA Reid but the mix we've heard was done by Tricky Stewart (the same guy who produced Keep Your Head Up)

then there's Do You Know Where Your Children Are that I'm now sure is a recent remix

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Yeah as in new album. So theres no official word on any new projects? Hopefully they do it right this time

Dr. Freeze said that the next album is going to include Blue Gangster and A Place With No Name. He was "remixing" them for the next one. I think Slave To The Rhythm may be included too. The version that we know isn't the original mix that we thought it was. It was originally produced by Babyface and LA Reid but the mix we've heard was done by Tricky Stewart (the same guy who produced Keep Your Head Up)

then there's Do You Know Where Your Children Are that I'm now sure is a recent remix

That’s with Jay-Z added in it right? Well the version I heard...

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Yeah as in new album. So theres no official word on any new projects? Hopefully they do it right this time

Dr. Freeze said that the next album is going to include Blue Gangster and A Place With No Name. He was "remixing" them for the next one. I think Slave To The Rhythm may be included too. The version that we know isn't the original mix that we thought it was. It was originally produced by Babyface and LA Reid but the mix we've heard was done by Tricky Stewart (the same guy who produced Keep Your Head Up)

then there's Do You Know Where Your Children Are that I'm now sure is a recent remix

I don't know who dr.freeze is but

When will BAD concert DVD come out ...

Michael Jackson’s Top Ten Protest Songs

http://www.joevogel.net/m...test-songs

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Yeah as in new album. So theres no official word on any new projects? Hopefully they do it right this time

Dr. Freeze said that the next album is going to include Blue Gangster and A Place With No Name. He was "remixing" them for the next one. I think Slave To The Rhythm may be included too. The version that we know isn't the original mix that we thought it was. It was originally produced by Babyface and LA Reid but the mix we've heard was done by Tricky Stewart (the same guy who produced Keep Your Head Up)

then there's Do You Know Where Your Children Are that I'm now sure is a recent remix

So i'm pretty sure these are songs that'll be considered since these were registered back in 2009...

Blue Gangsta

A Place With No Name

Slave to the Rhythm

Do You Know Where Your Children Are

I Am the Loser

Days in Gloucestershire

Adore You
Boy No
Changes
Don't Be Messin
Jungle
Just Remember
Light The Way
Neverland Landing
Pray For Peace
Red Eye

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Unholyalliance said:

All I said was: what would have happened to his career as a producer had it not been for Thriller? Would he have stayed doing jazz or would he have, eventually, ventured into r&b and/or popular music on his own and been as highly regarded in that area? I mean, when you are good at one thing, it's hard for people to see you doing something else. You have to prove yourself. This happened to Quincy too when Michael approached the people at CBS/Epic about wanting Quincy to be his producer right? Like damn! I didn't mention anything about whether he was popular or reputable or that he would have had no career as a producer had it not been for MJ.

Please, don't take your frustration with the MJ fandom on me.

(inb4 someone argues that jazz is popular music too. Yeah I know that, but, hopefully, you get what I'm saying.)

Ignorance. Quincy Jones was already a HUGE success on his own in the pop world before Thriller came out, with his own release, The Dude, which spawned several huge hits and the career and James Ingram. Similarly, he spawned the career of the adult Michael Jackson with earlier with Off the Wall. Even before Off the Wall, Jones had ventured into pop with Sounds...and Stuff Like That.

To the earlier poster who wondered what Jones' contribution to the Jackson albums, all you have to do is listen to The Dude. Any and all of the similarities you hear to the Quincy/Jackson trilogy (which are significant and self-evident) are the result of Quincy's contribution.

Actually, the better question would be, what would have happened to Michael Jackson's career if not for Quincy Jones?

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Imaginative said:

Ignorance. Quincy Jones was already a HUGE success on his own in the pop world before Thriller came out, with his own release

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ike_That!!

Jazz, Disco

http://www.allmusic.com/album/r10578

Jazz

http://www.discogs.com/Qu...ase/443041

Genre: Funk/Soul, Jazz

I admit that I didn't know about this album so I am wrong there, but according to the Billbard stats he still had minimal success with the album. Not enough to make a huge impact as indicated with the reactions that he received when MJ approached the head honchos about wanting Quincy to be his producer.

Also, across the board it's still considered to be a jazz album though. Not really a 'pop' one.

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