Graycap23 said:

daytonohioplayer said:

Its a fact.

Unfortunately.............I believe u.

That's fucked up.

Graycap23 said:

daytonohioplayer said:

Its a fact.

Unfortunately.............I believe u.

Yeah, when my dude told me, I was floored. He is actually one of the dudes on the Unsung special. He told me over lunch when he was in Dayton. Hell Diamond wanted to get paid too, but when they told him we already got Sugar and Marshall, I guess he came aboard.

daytonohioplayer said:

Graycap23 said:

Unfortunately.............I believe u.

Yeah, when my dude told me, I was floored. He is actually one of the dudes on the Unsung special. He told me over lunch when he was in Dayton. Hell Diamond wanted to get paid too, but when they told him we already got Sugar and Marshall, I guess he came aboard.

I undertstand wanting 2 be paid.....but these stories need 2 be told and shared. (paid or not)

daytonohioplayer said:

Graycap23 said:

Unfortunately.............I believe u.

Yeah, when my dude told me, I was floored. He is actually one of the dudes on the Unsung special. He told me over lunch when he was in Dayton. Hell Diamond wanted to get paid too, but when they told him we already got Sugar and Marshall, I guess he came aboard.

Well hell I might as well let the cat out of the bag. Scott Brown, who was on the Unsung special, and is a professor at UCLA, is doing a book on the Dayton funk. The book is in the final stages. He is coming back to Dayton soon to finish it. He is bring a photographer from Japan to take pictures. When talking specifically about the Players, I asked why they fizzled. He basically said they same gangster, pimp persona that made them was the same thing that took them out. Made sense. I asked him based on his research, why did the Dayton scene just die. Simply put there wasnt a Berry Gordy or a Dick Griffey to run the scene. The mob was running these Dayton groups. Groups getting paid with drugs, cash, hoes and cars and not paying attention to the paperwork.

Graycap23 said:

daytonohioplayer said:

Yeah, when my dude told me, I was floored. He is actually one of the dudes on the Unsung special. He told me over lunch when he was in Dayton. Hell Diamond wanted to get paid too, but when they told him we already got Sugar and Marshall, I guess he came aboard.

I undertstand wanting 2 be paid.....but these stories need 2 be told and shared. (paid or not)

Really, thats what I said. I couldnt believe it. I knew he wasnt lying, because he was telling me about the special months ago when they taped it.

daytonohioplayer said:

daytonohioplayer said:

Yeah, when my dude told me, I was floored. He is actually one of the dudes on the Unsung special. He told me over lunch when he was in Dayton. Hell Diamond wanted to get paid too, but when they told him we already got Sugar and Marshall, I guess he came aboard.

Well hell I might as well let the cat out of the bag. Scott Brown, who was on the Unsung special, and is a professor at UCLA, is doing a book on the Dayton funk. The book is in the final stages. He is coming back to Dayton soon to finish it. He is bring a photographer from Japan to take pictures. When talking specifically about the Players, I asked why they fizzled. He basically said they same gangster, pimp persona that made them was the same thing that took them out. Made sense. I asked him based on his research, why did the Dayton scene just die. Simply put there wasnt a Berry Gordy or a Dick Griffey to run the scene. The mob was running these Dayton groups. Groups getting paid with drugs, cash, hoes and cars and not paying attention to the paperwork.

We just never seem 2 learn............the music BUSINESS.

Hated they took advantage of a 17-year-old kid like that because that's how old Junie was when he joined the group if I'm not mistaken (1971). No wonder he left in '74.

Timmy84 said:

Hated they took advantage of a 17-year-old kid like that because that's how old Junie was when he joined the group if I'm not mistaken (1971). No wonder he left in '74.

Actually, they didnt even have a chance really to take advantage of him. Legend has it that Junie was a straight up musical and technical prodigy. The Ohio Players opened up for Parliament/Funkadelic and George wanted to know who is that kid over there singing, playing keys, runing sound and running the light show at the same time. Thats how Junie got with George and Westbound. George had to have that Junie sound. Now I think Westbound did a number on Junie, which they did with all the groups. I think he got paid swell and still getting paid I am sure from One Nation and Knee Deep.

You know you a bad mf when one person influences the whole groups sound as Junie did with OP and George.

Timmy84 said:

Hated they took advantage of a 17-year-old kid like that because that's how old Junie was when he joined the group if I'm not mistaken (1971). No wonder he left in '74.

Timmy, know that I think about it, you may have a point. Dude straight up left OP. LOL!

daytonohioplayer said:

Timmy84 said:

Hated they took advantage of a 17-year-old kid like that because that's how old Junie was when he joined the group if I'm not mistaken (1971). No wonder he left in '74.

Timmy, know that I think about it, you may have a point. Dude straight up left OP. LOL!

You did all that work and those guys who were too stubborn because they spent years backing someone who was horrible to THEM, then they do it to someone who wasn't even playing when they were, and HELPED them become popular, and you're not gonna pay him but LATER ON when success comes, you wanna say "hey let's pay everybody"?! Come on! And then Satch did what he did anyways. So Junie was good in leaving when he did.

But yeah I dig your point about how he helped influenced TWO groups (Ohio Players/P-Funk). Bad mamma jama at that.

Timmy84 said:

daytonohioplayer said:

Timmy, know that I think about it, you may have a point. Dude straight up left OP. LOL!

You did all that work and those guys who were too stubborn because they spent years backing someone who was horrible to THEM, then they do it to someone who wasn't even playing when they were, and HELPED them become popular, and you're not gonna pay him but LATER ON when success comes, you wanna say "hey let's pay everybody"?! Come on! And then Satch did what he did anyways. So Junie was good in leaving when he did.

But yeah I dig your point about how he helped influenced TWO groups (Ohio Players/P-Funk). Bad mamma jama at that.

I wonder why his solo career went flat?

Graycap23 said:

Timmy84 said:

You did all that work and those guys who were too stubborn because they spent years backing someone who was horrible to THEM, then they do it to someone who wasn't even playing when they were, and HELPED them become popular, and you're not gonna pay him but LATER ON when success comes, you wanna say "hey let's pay everybody"?! Come on! And then Satch did what he did anyways. So Junie was good in leaving when he did.

But yeah I dig your point about how he helped influenced TWO groups (Ohio Players/P-Funk). Bad mamma jama at that.

I wonder why his solo career went flat?

Yeah that's a mystery...

i don't think all the truth is being told here. the ohio players must of had some serious money around because most of those guys were living in real fancy homes and cars at a time when most of their peers were living in one bedroom apartment and bumming rides from their buddys.

Graycap23 said:

Timmy84 said:

You did all that work and those guys who were too stubborn because they spent years backing someone who was horrible to THEM, then they do it to someone who wasn't even playing when they were, and HELPED them become popular, and you're not gonna pay him but LATER ON when success comes, you wanna say "hey let's pay everybody"?! Come on! And then Satch did what he did anyways. So Junie was good in leaving when he did.

But yeah I dig your point about how he helped influenced TWO groups (Ohio Players/P-Funk). Bad mamma jama at that.

I wonder why his solo career went flat?

I think Junie does better with direction and coaching, which he had with Satch and George. Left alone, he is out there. I have his greatest hits and they never moved me. The only song I like was Techno Freqs.

jackson35 said:

i don't think all the truth is being told here. the ohio players must of had some serious money around because most of those guys were living in real fancy homes and cars at a time when most of their peers were living in one bedroom apartment and bumming rides from their buddys.

That is true. Out of all the Dayton groups, the Players had all the bling. I remember as a kid and Diamond came to my music class when I was in the 7th grade and Fire was out. All I can remember was the diamonds in the lenses. Not the frames, the lenses. Satch in his Excalibur riding past you. Hell, even Roger wasnt doin it like that. Well, now that I think about it, as soon as More Bounce hit, Roger built a million dollar studio. So I am in agreement with you...totally.

daytonohioplayer said:

Graycap23 said:

I wonder why his solo career went flat?

I think Junie does better with direction and coaching, which he had with Satch and George. Left alone, he is out there. I have his greatest hits and they never moved me. The only song I like was Techno Freqs.

I paid a lot of loot 4 his solo stuff a few years ago and I was really disappointed.

Graycap23 said:

daytonohioplayer said:

I think Junie does better with direction and coaching, which he had with Satch and George. Left alone, he is out there. I have his greatest hits and they never moved me. The only song I like was Techno Freqs.

I paid a lot of loot 4 his solo stuff a few years ago and I was really disappointed.

Really. Like the musicianship was there but he was all over the place. No cohesion on some of his material. I just didnt get it. Granted he can play his ass off, but a producer of a hit song, not.

Junie was a genius! The fact that he was all over the place was what made him sound unique. A hit does not = good music, just popularity. His 70's solo output was abstract funk for sure and not for everyone, but he did what he wanted. The hits came through his stnts with Op and P-Funk. The nastiest OP stuff is from their Junie era. "Ecstacy" and "Pain" being the examples of this. He made P-Funk hit when they started slipping. Yeah he needs his own Unsung episode!

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sunlite said:

Junie was a genius! The fact that he was all over the place was what made him sound unique. A hit does not = good music, just popularity. His 70's solo output was abstract funk for sure and not for everyone, but he did what he wanted. The hits came through his stnts with Op and P-Funk. The nastiest OP stuff is from their Junie era. "Ecstacy" and "Pain" being the examples of this. He made P-Funk hit when they started slipping. Yeah he needs his own Unsung episode!

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Timmy84 said:

sunlite said:

Junie was a genius! The fact that he was all over the place was what made him sound unique. A hit does not = good music, just popularity. His 70's solo output was abstract funk for sure and not for everyone, but he did what he wanted. The hits came through his stnts with Op and P-Funk. The nastiest OP stuff is from their Junie era. "Ecstacy" and "Pain" being the examples of this. He made P-Funk hit when they started slipping. Yeah he needs his own Unsung episode!

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Timmy, you have posted some Unsungs in the past. Can you post this one if you get it? I don't have TV-One. I only have basic cable and HBO

Shaolin325 said:

Timmy84 said:

Timmy, you have posted some Unsungs in the past. Can you post this one if you get it? I don't have TV-One. I only have basic cable and HBO

I will.

Timmy84 said:

Shaolin325 said:

Timmy, you have posted some Unsungs in the past. Can you post this one if you get it? I don't have TV-One. I only have basic cable and HBO

I will.

Thanks!

Has anyone grabbed this book by former member Greg Webster?

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Graycap23 said:

daytonohioplayer said:

Yeah, when my dude told me, I was floored. He is actually one of the dudes on the Unsung special. He told me over lunch when he was in Dayton. Hell Diamond wanted to get paid too, but when they told him we already got Sugar and Marshall, I guess he came aboard.

I undertstand wanting 2 be paid.....but these stories need 2 be told and shared. (paid or not)

So this may be a reason why a lot of Unsungs will never air, money.

But shouldn't they get paid? It's bassically a TV show featuring said person??

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:

I undertstand wanting 2 be paid.....but these stories need 2 be told and shared. (paid or not)

So this may be a reason why a lot of Unsungs will never air, money.

But shouldn't they get paid? It's bassically a TV show featuring said person??

Should they get paid? Probably............but history is NOT about that.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:

I undertstand wanting 2 be paid.....but these stories need 2 be told and shared. (paid or not)

So this may be a reason why a lot of Unsungs will never air, money.

But shouldn't they get paid? It's bassically a TV show featuring said person??

I doubt they pay to get on the show.

Hey, that's the Cathy Hughes way!

Graycap23 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

So this may be a reason why a lot of Unsungs will never air, money.

But shouldn't they get paid? It's bassically a TV show featuring said person??

Should they get paid? Probably............but history is NOT about that.

But it's a television show, and it's using their rights. That should requir a payment.

Just saying, I'd ask for some money too if they wanted to interview me, knowing the makers of Unsung will be gettin' some money.

sosgemini said:

Hey, that's the Cathy Hughes way!

lol you know I wonder why some people were not on some episodes, probably has to do with Cathy.

Are the Ohop Players Rock and Roll Hall of Famers. Yes or Noo?