silverchild said:

Derek1984 said:

WOW, I don't think anybody has brought up my favorite song from this album: Even Though Your Gone

Ahh...yes! Mike's commanding vocals just soared on that cut.

This video should've been on Vision. They didn't include Good Times, Goin' Places, Even Though You're Gone, Shake Your Body Down To The Ground,and various tv performances from The Jacksons were later used as promo clips

Dreamer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig2CuYYPszs

Good Times

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAjezIOUQpc

Shake Your Body

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPQmHwALAck

MickyDolenz said:

JoeTyler said:

The Jackson's audience was still expecting songs like I'll Be There or Dancing Machine...

The Jacksons' popularity had been down for years, especially on pop radio. Motown did little promotion on the last 3 or 4 Jackson 5 albums. This is one of the reasons they left Motown in the first place. This is also why they were doing a family show in Vegas. At the time, Las Vegas was still seen as a place for old acts whose mainstream popularity had slumped (Wayne Newton, Englebert Humperdinck, Frank Sinatra, Elvis).

Gamble & Huff's music was mostly only played on R&B stations, although there were some crossover hits. Gamble & Huff's stuff didn't really click with the brothers, like it did with their other acts like Teddy Pendergrass & The O'Jays', who were more mature sounding. They were never teen idols like the Jackson 5 were. Very few youth acts maintain popularity after a few years.

What's wrong with being played on mainly R&B stations? I would rather listen to him only on R&B stations with decent songs, than listen to the songs that he put on in his latter years that were pure pop, most of the tim those R&B stations wouldn't touch them. I would go to urban clubs, even today they would rather put on Let ME Show you the Way to Go than B & W or Scream,,

I remember when Dangerous came out & B&W was the first single, a DJ on an urban radio, put it on for a few seconds just to illustrate how far MJ had strayed from his R&B roots & show how awful his music & his voice was becoming. Give me Going Places or the Jacksons over Dangerous, Bad or History any day. MJ was his best musically between 1976 to 1982, when he was still part of the Jacksons.

whatsgoingon said:

MickyDolenz said:

The Jacksons' popularity had been down for years, especially on pop radio. Motown did little promotion on the last 3 or 4 Jackson 5 albums. This is one of the reasons they left Motown in the first place. This is also why they were doing a family show in Vegas. At the time, Las Vegas was still seen as a place for old acts whose mainstream popularity had slumped (Wayne Newton, Englebert Humperdinck, Frank Sinatra, Elvis).

Gamble & Huff's music was mostly only played on R&B stations, although there were some crossover hits. Gamble & Huff's stuff didn't really click with the brothers, like it did with their other acts like Teddy Pendergrass & The O'Jays', who were more mature sounding. They were never teen idols like the Jackson 5 were. Very few youth acts maintain popularity after a few years.

What's wrong with being played on mainly R&B stations? I would rather listen to him only on R&B stations with decent songs, than listen to the songs that he put on in his latter years that were pure pop, most of the tim those R&B stations wouldn't touch them. I would go to urban clubs, even today they would rather put on Let ME Show you the Way to Go than B & W or Scream,,

I remember when Dangerous came out & B&W was the first single, a DJ on an urban radio, put it on for a few seconds just to illustrate how far MJ had strayed from his R&B roots & show how awful his music & his voice was becoming. Give me Going Places or the Jacksons over Dangerous, Bad or History any day. MJ was his best musically between 1976 to 1982, when he was still part of the Jacksons.

too much drama in 3, 2, 1...

whatsgoingon said:

What's wrong with being played on mainly R&B stations?

I didn't say anything was wrong with it, but the crossover idea that was popular in the 80's, started around this time. Look at the Commodores, who started out with funk, started releasing a lot of Three Times A Lady ballads as singles and started getting more pop radio play. The pop Top 40 is where the money is.

MickyDolenz said:

whatsgoingon said:

What's wrong with being played on mainly R&B stations?

I didn't say anything was wrong with it, but the crossover idea that was popular in the 80's, started around this time. Look at the Commodores, who started out with funk, started releasing a lot of Three Times A Lady ballads as singles and started getting more pop radio play. The pop Top 40 is where the money is.

but crossover music been popular since the 60's, that was Berry Gordy Main goal to reach white audiences

HAPPYPERSON said:

MickyDolenz said:

I didn't say anything was wrong with it, but the crossover idea that was popular in the 80's, started around this time. Look at the Commodores, who started out with funk, started releasing a lot of Three Times A Lady ballads as singles and started getting more pop radio play. The pop Top 40 is where the money is.

but crossover music been popular since the 60's, that was Berry Gordy Main goal to reach white audiences

Most other black labels of the time didn't make music to purposefully crossover, just Motown. Stax didn't crossover much. Backbeat, Chess, Checker, Sound Stage 7, and other primarily black labels had no crossover at all. Some blacks at the time considered Motown watered down music (just like Whitney Houston & Lionel Richie was in the 1980's), especially The Supremes.

The best 3 albums by the Jacksons on Epic IMO are Destiny, Triumph and Goin Places. I don't like Goin Places start to finish, but the songs I love, I LOOOOVE! Even though You're Gone, Music's Takin Over, Jump For Joy, even the title track. It shows a lot of promise, and is a good pre-cursor to Destiny IMO.