illimack said:

HohnerCatcher said:

I'm pissed off because I had Victory as part of a 5-disc Original Album Classics set: http://www.discogs.com/Ja...se/2026171

But managed to only lose Victory, yet I already had copies Triumph and The Jacksons before getting that set.

Also, WTF

Hella homoerotic! Why is Randy wearing ballet slippers? Why does Mike have his foot on Randy's leg? Why does Jackie, (with his fine self), have his knee between Mike's leg? Howcome back in the 80's no one ever thought Marlon was gay? looking back at the photos from the time, Marlon seems really gay. But no matter what, you could never take away Tito's old uncle swag. You could never make that cat look soft.

That michael just couldn't give Randy a break, ripping his shirt onstage and all

HohnerCatcher said:

I'm pissed off because I had Victory as part of a 5-disc Original Album Classics set: http://www.discogs.com/Ja...se/2026171

But managed to only lose Victory, yet I already had copies Triumph and The Jacksons before getting that set.

bboy87 said:

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Also, WTF

Damn, Tito!

KemiVA said:

Also, WTF

Damn, Tito!

ALL of them wearing stuff that make no sense there, even Jackie who wearin' next to nuthin'.

alphastreet said:

We have so many vintage music stores here and I always get lucky when it comes to Jackson hunting.

Now for my collection to feel complete, I need to own

The Who Is It single that doesn't have the Oprah mix and Beat It mix. I know someone who has it, but I don't want something burned or mp3's, and I thought I ordered it online but got the other one, which I already had burned, but I guess it's nice I have an original now.

Another friend of mine who's a huge fan has had the HIStory single since the 90's and I remember him showing me, like maybe before BOTDF came out in fact, and I didn't collect singles yet.

Heal The World, though I'll have to double check if I own the instrumental...I have seen the 45 when hunting but didn't bother getting it, cause the other side just had an album track. I don't bother with those type of singles though I found DSTYGE in the basement with I can't help it on the B side and got excited years ago!

I nearly scored having the This Time Around on record when I found it years ago, but it was gone when I went back to buy it I'll bet it would have been worth a lot today too

I don't see a point in owning the Ghosts single much since all the tracks have been commercially released after that, like with On the Line being on the Ultimate Collection though I know there were slight changes

And I need the Jackson 5 CD with Buttercup included, I was too mad to buy it when it was released I spent like crazy when he passed on all the things, but not on that, I couldn't handle young Michael then.

My Janet collection, singles and all kicks ass too. You would think I was collecting since then or something, but I try to be reasonable too not to duplicate things at times. Like one time I found Whoops Now, but I didn't buy it cause I already owned the tracks though I loved the cover.

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Wow. My collection would look so poor next to yours.

sosgemini said:

Swa said:

It's an OK album but not the JACKSONS strongest - that has to be awarded to Triumph.

Funny thing for me - when I bought the album - I put on the side that lead off with State of Shock (being it was the first single I assumed it would lead off the album)

Thus for me for years Victory played like this...

State of Shock

We Can Change The World

The Hurt

Body

Tortue

Wait

One More Chance

Be Not Always

It wasn't until I bought the album on CD a year later in 85 that I realised the song order was wrong.

To this day I still prefer the album starting with SOS and ending with BNA.

Funny! I had the same experience with Prince's Parade album. For me, the album opens with Mountains and closes with Venus.

it was the age of 2 sides! That happened to me with Back in Black and Purple Rain!

I think Michael was just too nice to say he did not want to be in the Jacksons anymore. Why did he not do a Thriller tour? It makes absolutely no sense.

You can see in This is It, when they start doing the old Jacksons segment, the sound is bothering him, but he seems really irritated too. I wonder if the old music took him back to a place where he was not happy.

NDRU said:

I think Michael was just too nice to say he did not want to be in the Jacksons anymore. Why did he not do a Thriller tour? It makes absolutely no sense.

You can see in This is It, when they start doing the old Jacksons segment, the sound is bothering him, but he seems really irritated too. I wonder if the old music took him back to a place where he was not happy.

He didn't want to do the Victory tour. From what I've read in bios, His brothers & parents guilted him into doing the tour.

Once he committed to it, he thought at least it would make his family members enough money so they wouldn't bug him for any.

sosgemini said:

Swa said:

It's an OK album but not the JACKSONS strongest - that has to be awarded to Triumph.

Funny thing for me - when I bought the album - I put on the side that lead off with State of Shock (being it was the first single I assumed it would lead off the album)

Thus for me for years Victory played like this...

State of Shock

We Can Change The World

The Hurt

Body

Tortue

Wait

One More Chance

Be Not Always

It wasn't until I bought the album on CD a year later in 85 that I realised the song order was wrong.

To this day I still prefer the album starting with SOS and ending with BNA.

Funny! I had the same experience with Prince's Parade album. For me, the album opens with Mountains and closes with Venus.

Yeah! I had the same experience with Bad.... since Another part of me turned me on to that album and was my favourite I recorded side B first on the cassette... so that album for me started with APOM and ended with Just got friends... of course I put Leave me alone on the cassette on the end, so that was it for me!

As for Victory! I quite like that album and it's a shame it wasn't more successful, especially coming after Thriller... my faves are Torture, State of shock, One more chance and Be not always. Also Wait and Hurt are pretty cool! Heck, there is no song that is really bad. I don't listen to it every day, but I pull it out from time to time. It is a bit dated though, but that's not really a bad thing. And yeah, love that cover.

illimack said:

Hella homoerotic! Why is Randy wearing ballet slippers? Why does Mike have his foot on Randy's leg? Why does Jackie, (with his fine self), have his knee between Mike's leg? Howcome back in the 80's no one ever thought Marlon was gay? looking back at the photos from the time, Marlon seems really gay. But no matter what, you could never take away Tito's old uncle swag. You could never make that cat look soft.

Because he's not. Why would people think that anyway? Many people thought Boy George was straight. George even had a few paternity suits back then. You're probably looking at this from a modern standpoint.

MickyDolenz said:

illimack said:

Hella homoerotic! Why is Randy wearing ballet slippers? Why does Mike have his foot on Randy's leg? Why does Jackie, (with his fine self), have his knee between Mike's leg? Howcome back in the 80's no one ever thought Marlon was gay? looking back at the photos from the time, Marlon seems really gay. But no matter what, you could never take away Tito's old uncle swag. You could never make that cat look soft.

Because he's not. Why would people think that anyway? Many people thought Boy George was straight. George even had a few paternity suits back then. You're probably looking at this from a modern standpoint.

dag: yeah it was really big before his death too anyways, but whatever new they were selling, I would buy too, and now I'm finding old LP's again though I hadn't looked in years, it's like a treasure hunt looking for record stores, stores popular for DJ's, and vintage stores in urban cities to find these type of items. Not sure where you're from, but I could imagine places like NYC and LA having that too if you look carefully. I got most during a time I didn't order online, the old fashioned way, but I got to order some online as well when I saw they were available. Anyways, how much you have or don't have doesn't make you a better fan than the next, I just have a weakness for buying everything when it comes to having interests. If I like a book series, I have to own every single book, if I love an artist, I have to get everything, you name it.

I like Janet's One More Chance better, it gives me chills. I put on Randy to compare and then felt bad in the middle of it cause he sounds so sweet in it, though I prefer the 90's version

phunkdaddy said:

MickyDolenz said:

Because he's not. Why would people think that anyway? Many people thought Boy George was straight. George even had a few paternity suits back then. You're probably looking at this from a modern standpoint.

That's exactly what I meant...looking back. Marlon, and even Randy, look more gay than Mike ever did when you look at old pics, but I don't recall them being questioned about their sexuality while MJ was always questioned.

Well, in the 80s everyone looked gay at one point!

silverchild said:

I think this album was just okay, compared to their others. The top songs for me are "Torture", "One More Chance", "The Hurt", "State of Shock" and "Wait". The rest I can give or take, but overall, this album was dated.

The one song that should've been included with this album is this...

As huge as the song was played on radio back in the day, this would've definitely given this LP better status had it been on Victory. This was just EPIC! It ended up on Jermaine's Dynamite LP. I think he and Michael did this during the Victory tour.

OMG! You aint lying! This is a monster jam!!!!

illimack said:

HohnerCatcher said:

I'm pissed off because I had Victory as part of a 5-disc Original Album Classics set: http://www.discogs.com/Ja...se/2026171

But managed to only lose Victory, yet I already had copies Triumph and The Jacksons before getting that set.

Also, WTF

Hella homoerotic! Why is Randy wearing ballet slippers? Why does Mike have his foot on Randy's leg? Why does Jackie, (with his fine self), have his knee between Mike's leg? Howcome back in the 80's no one ever thought Marlon was gay? looking back at the photos from the time, Marlon seems really gay. But no matter what, you could never take away Tito's old uncle swag. You could never make that cat look soft.

When I was little and Good Times reruns came on, I always thought Michael Evans was played by Marlon.

alphastreet said:

dag: yeah it was really big before his death too anyways, but whatever new they were selling, I would buy too, and now I'm finding old LP's again though I hadn't looked in years, it's like a treasure hunt looking for record stores, stores popular for DJ's, and vintage stores in urban cities to find these type of items. Not sure where you're from, but I could imagine places like NYC and LA having that too if you look carefully. I got most during a time I didn't order online, the old fashioned way, but I got to order some online as well when I saw they were available. Anyways, how much you have or don't have doesn't make you a better fan than the next, I just have a weakness for buying everything when it comes to having interests. If I like a book series, I have to own every single book, if I love an artist, I have to get everything, you name it.

I like Janet's One More Chance better, it gives me chills. I put on Randy to compare and then felt bad in the middle of it cause he sounds so sweet in it, though I prefer the 90's version

There are no music stores in our little town. There are just few stores in bigger cities, but not many vintage stores that I know of, so it is hard to buy stuff over here. Especially such rarities. But I am not that type of fan. I don't need to have everything. For example, I don't feel like buying singles if all there is are just remixes done by others. I am not into remixes so I don't feel the need to own them, or some hits collections if there are only already released songs. I am trying to complete my J5 collections though. I don't have a lot of their stuff - actually hardly any, so I am trying to get that, but usually I have to order them from Amazon cause they don't have the stuff over here.

NDRU said:

I think Michael was just too nice to say he did not want to be in the Jacksons anymore. Why did he not do a Thriller tour? It makes absolutely no sense.

You can see in This is It, when they start doing the old Jacksons segment, the sound is bothering him, but he seems really irritated too. I wonder if the old music took him back to a place where he was not happy.

Michael didn't want to tour PERIOD in '83-84

patrick: I was raised on 80's and watching those things well into the 90's, so the "gayness" you speak of didn't make me raise eyebrows and it's like watching adults act goofy and close without it meaning anything. I think people acted like that in general too in those days, and now people are quicker to give things a label. The other day , someone posted Rod Stewart's Baby Jane, and it was GAY! I don't remember the way they're dancing around standing out to me back then, but I noticed it now, and I love it cause they're so carefree and it's good music and people produce beter music when they aren't so uptight

dag: yeah get the j5 albums, they're good, I found them at HMV years ago when they were rereleased, but amazon will also have them. As for the remixes, I honestly think that though MJ has some really nice ones and I collect those too, he's not my favourite remix artist. His final product on the albums are so good and they are perfection that if anyone tampers with those songs, they are not living up to the original product and it's like tampering with a work of art that took ages to finish. There are exceptions of course though, like I love the HIStory remix on BOTDF better than HIStory, and though this is not a popular opinion, I like this one eletropop remix of Butterflies better than the original cause of the DSTYGE sample. But yeah, I love accapella's and extended instrumentals and versions of his tracks. I think Janet has the best remixes ever to her singles and they are nice alternatives to her originals.

bboy83: If he didn't, he was probably afraid of overexposure, like what he said in Moonwalk about not wanting to host the American Music Awards in 85 when they asked him, and not being fond of doing TV specials.

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MickyDolenz said:

illimack said:

Hella homoerotic! Why is Randy wearing ballet slippers? Why does Mike have his foot on Randy's leg? Why does Jackie, (with his fine self), have his knee between Mike's leg? Howcome back in the 80's no one ever thought Marlon was gay? looking back at the photos from the time, Marlon seems really gay. But no matter what, you could never take away Tito's old uncle swag. You could never make that cat look soft.

Because he's not. Why would people think that anyway? Many people thought Boy George was straight. George even had a few paternity suits back then. You're probably looking at this from a modern standpoint.

After looking at those pictures, I must say the Jackson Men are so hot! I mean wow. I forget sometimes how handsome they were especially Mj and Jermaine. I don't know why someone would tell Mj he was ugly because he wasn't

aaliyahcashmere89 said:

After looking at those pictures, I must say the Jackson Men are so hot! I mean wow. I forget sometimes how handsome they were especially Mj and Jermaine. I don't know why someone would tell Mj he was ugly because he wasn't

Jealously can do that.

I remember WAITING for this album to come out. I was 14 and a HUGE fan of MJ/Jacksons/Jackson 5. From Destiny to Thriller, they could do no wrong to my ears. I had my dad drive me to Rose Records in Chicago the day it came out...bought the cassette...played in the car on the way home...and was HUGLY disappointed. I actually liked State of Shock and was prepared for greatness...but wow...I wasn't ready fo that being the only song I dug. By the end of 84, not only was Victory forgotten, but Prince won me over for good with Purple Rain, and the rest is history.