Unholyalliance said:

TotalAlisa said:

a lot of people on this forum are rude asses, just curse him out.

I remember when i first join they were hurting my feelings too, I NEVER used to curse either, now if they try to mess with me I will GO crazy on them.

Don't be so nice they will walk over you.

and if anyone doesn't think the majority of mainstream american music is dead, then their an idiot

Well, I'm not sure about that, but it's good not to take it personally. That way you don't get upset and then start saying some crazy shit that only makes you seem mad. At the end of the day no one's opinions changes and life goes on.

Though...it is possible to be nice and respectful at all times. It is.

im speaking from experience on here, and I can say whether i was nice or not people try to paint me as crazy because i had a hamster in my avatar and was an MJ fan. So its like i have NOTHING TO PROVE.

its not possible to be nice on here, the people on here are not that friendly.

Don't worry. There has been enough of excellent music recorded in the past 100 years to get you through several lifetimes, even if you only spend 8 hours a day listening.

TotalAlisa said:

Unholyalliance said:

Well, I'm not sure about that, but it's good not to take it personally. That way you don't get upset and then start saying some crazy shit that only makes you seem mad. At the end of the day no one's opinions changes and life goes on.

Though...it is possible to be nice and respectful at all times. It is.

im speaking from experience on here, and I can say whether i was nice or not people try to paint me as crazy because i had a hamster in my avatar and was an MJ fan. So its like i have NOTHING TO PROVE.

its not possible to be nice on here, the people on here are not that friendly.

Honey please, you do fine job of painting yourself

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RKJCNE said:

TotalAlisa said:

im speaking from experience on here, and I can say whether i was nice or not people try to paint me as crazy because i had a hamster in my avatar and was an MJ fan. So its like i have NOTHING TO PROVE.

its not possible to be nice on here, the people on here are not that friendly.

Honey please, you do fine job of painting yourself

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Unholyalliance, do you see what i mean when i say the people on this board are such rude asses.

This is post a perfect example, and again I have NOTHING to prove, Im not any more crazy then anyone else on here.

Random ass rude people on here always jump in and say shit to me, so I don't recommend anyone being nice to these people.

Someone was saying crazy shit about jews a few days ago, and guess what, no one cared and everyone already forgot, Let me say it, and people will remember 10 years from now.

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Imaginative said:

Don't worry. There has been enough of excellent music recorded in the past 100 years to get you through several lifetimes, even if you only spend 8 hours a day listening.

TotalAlisa said:

Cerebus said:

I think the idiot may be the person who didn't process the thread title. Because it doesn't say, "A Majority of American Mainstream Music Is Dead". It just says, "Music Is Dead", and its not. Not in the slightest. In fact I'd say its stronger than its been at any point in the last decade.

Also, I totally disagree with you advice regarding people being jerk faces here. Acting the same way NEVER helps, or fixes the problem. That's been proven here a thousand times over. They don't know you from a hole in the wall, so just ignore 'em and have discussions with the people who treat you fairly. Without calling them an idiot if at all possible.

i think the idiot is the person who didn't read all the AMERICAN artist he listed, which would insinuate he was talking about AMERICAN mainstream music.

I think the idiot is a person who just looks at the title, and NOT read and comprehend the whole post. You can catch the jist of what he is saying.

I think the idiot maybe the person who is a hypocrite tell others not call others idiots, when they did themselves.

there are a lot of rude people on this forum. I been here since 2004 i should know.

Even if you don't act the same its not going to fix it, atleast if you say something back they won't mess with you as much. I used to get messed with a lot when i first joined because i let people say shit to me and not say anything back.

just like im say shit right back to you

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You are an immature, ignorant brat. You're talking in circles, making pointless out of context and contradictory comments in order to start fights with everyone about a bunch of shit that makes no sense. In short, you've shown yourself to be about as smart as a fucking stump. Several people have tried to have intelligent discourse with you and you've belittled and insulted each and every one of them while twisting their words around to suit your needs. Grow up you dimwitted turd. You're the absolute worst kind of internet troll I can think of.

There, is that more like how you'd like to converse?

Edit: Yeah, I edited. Not because I felt bad, but because I didn't want the post deleted.

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paisleypark4 said:

TylerHippie said:

That hurt my feelings...

Dont borther with people trying their best to get your attention

I'm not trying to get anyone's attention. He is young an doesn't like today's music. I am young and I think that is an idiotic and overrated opinion. If I were trying to gain attention, I'd be posting all these pictures, or gifs, or videos like you see others doing.

TotalAlisa said:

TylerHippie said:

That hurt my feelings...

a lot of people on this forum are rude asses, just curse him out.

I remember when i first join they were hurting my feelings too, I NEVER used to curse either, now if they try to mess with me I will GO crazy on them.

Don't be so nice they will walk over you.

and if anyone doesn't think the majority of mainstream american music is dead, then their an idiot

I'm not a "rude ass" because I think somebody is an idiot for calling music dead. It's not. Especially when you only name like 2 or 3 artists. Music is much more diverse than it was 3 or 4 years ago. Few examples.

Nobody is making all these songs with girls in the videos anymore. People are actually starting to like music with more substance.

TotalAlisa said:

tinaz said:

I think before you go spouting your "knowledge" you should do a bit of research...

Although the American Music Awards is primarily for artists that originate from the United States, international artists like Elton John, Def Leppard, Celine Dion, Shania Twain, George Michael, Rihanna, Enrique Iglesias, Shakira, Justin Bieber, Muse, and the Spice Girls have also won awards on the show, although this is primarily due to their popularity in the United States.

While the Grammy Awards are awarded based on votes by members of the entertainment industry, the AMAs are determined by a poll of music buyers, and as a result is more of a representative of public opinion.

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LIKE I SAID!!! its still called AMERICAN MUSIC

the whole argument was about me saying this guy was talking about American music,

and i asked him was he talking about AMERICAN MUSIC, and he said YES.

i don't care about technicalities or whatever. Does Celine Dion Live in the USA, almost all those artist you listed live in the US, and record in the US and have American Producers, and sing in english. SO most people CONSIDER it AMERICAN MUSIC.

Thats like me saying if i go to japan, record music in japanese language, and have japanese producers, and produce music of their culture, that its American music, just because im American.

British and Canadians have ALWAYS tried to copy American Music, so with that being said, you can still consider it AMERICAN MUSIC if its played in USA and was made to cater to US Radio.

But where did "American" music come from? Europe, Asia and Africa!

Where did the English language come from? England!

There is very little in American culture that is new or completely original. There is a very good reason that America is known as the Great Melting Pot. Americans have taken various aspects from other cultures and forged them into their own style but without that foundation that comes from many other cultures there would be no "American" music.

TotalAlisa said:

tinaz said:

I think before you go spouting your "knowledge" you should do a bit of research...

Although the American Music Awards is primarily for artists that originate from the United States, international artists like Elton John, Def Leppard, Celine Dion, Shania Twain, George Michael, Rihanna, Enrique Iglesias, Shakira, Justin Bieber, Muse, and the Spice Girls have also won awards on the show, although this is primarily due to their popularity in the United States.

While the Grammy Awards are awarded based on votes by members of the entertainment industry, the AMAs are determined by a poll of music buyers, and as a result is more of a representative of public opinion.

.

[Edited 6/24/11 18:22pm]

LIKE I SAID!!! its still called AMERICAN MUSIC

the whole argument was about me saying this guy was talking about American music,

and i asked him was he talking about AMERICAN MUSIC, and he said YES.

i don't care about technicalities or whatever. Does Celine Dion Live in the USA, almost all those artist you listed live in the US, and record in the US and have American Producers, and sing in english. SO most people CONSIDER it AMERICAN MUSIC.

Thats like me saying if i go to japan, record music in japanese language, and have japanese producers, and produce music of their culture, that its American music, just because im American.

British and Canadians have ALWAYS tried to copy American Music, so with that being said, you can still consider it AMERICAN MUSIC if its played in USA and was made to cater to US Radio.

This statement makes no sense whatsoever! You are contradicting yourself..

LayzieKrayzie said:

TotalAlisa said:

a lot of people on this forum are rude asses, just curse him out.

I remember when i first join they were hurting my feelings too, I NEVER used to curse either, now if they try to mess with me I will GO crazy on them.

Don't be so nice they will walk over you.

and if anyone doesn't think the majority of mainstream american music is dead, then their an idiot

I'm not a "rude ass" because I think somebody is an idiot for calling music dead. It's not. Especially when you only name like 2 or 3 artists. Music is much more diverse than it was 3 or 4 years ago. Few examples.

Nobody is making all these songs with girls in the videos anymore. People are actually starting to like music with more substance.

Bro...I made a Tyler The Creator thread. Do you hear or see any of those artist you posted on the radio or T.V.? No. That's why I said music is dead because their playing the same corny music on the radio and T.V.(Lil Wayne, Drake, Nicki Minaj etc...)

TylerHippie said:

LayzieKrayzie said:

I'm not a "rude ass" because I think somebody is an idiot for calling music dead. It's not. Especially when you only name like 2 or 3 artists. Music is much more diverse than it was 3 or 4 years ago. Few examples.

Nobody is making all these songs with girls in the videos anymore. People are actually starting to like music with more substance.

Bro...I made a Tyler The Creator thread. Do you hear or see any of those artist you posted on the radio or T.V.? No. That's why I said music is dead because their playing the same corny music on the radio and T.V.(Lil Wayne, Drake, Nicki Minaj etc...)

I have trouble taking you serious.

Odd Future were featured on Jimmy Fallon's late night show and it boosted their popularity to new heights.

Tech Nine has a new music video that recently debuted on MTV.

Kid Cudi has also performed on numerous late night television shows and gets plenty of airtime.

All you have done is diss Lil Wayne and Drake. Okay, you don't like them.

I have done my fair share of Weezy bashing, but he isn't really that bad when you compare him to most mainstream rappers.

+Someone in this thread mentioned Wayne not playing guitar, well, he does play.

TylerHippie said:

Bro...I made a Tyler The Creator thread. Do you hear or see any of those artist you posted on the radio or T.V.? No. That's why I said music is dead because their playing the same corny music on the radio and T.V.(Lil Wayne, Drake, Nicki Minaj etc...)

Music isn't dead, radio is.

You sound pressed.

TylerHippie said:

If it doesn't have Lil Wayne, Drake( I actually dig him), Nicki Minaj, 808 drums,corny ass eurodance or a techno beat,the subject of money, over mixed hi-hats or excessive use of the "b" and "n-word", it's not a hit.

I'm 19, and this generation is fucking insane. These people are playing the same fucking songs over and over! "Miguel "Sure Thing", that annoying ass Kirt Franklin song, "Far Away" etc...

There needs to be more people like Bruno Mars and Lady Gaga, who actually has talent.

I don't even know what to say anymore...

I fucking hate seeing a rap artist or any artist hold a instrument knowing damn well they can't play the fucking instrument.(T-Pain & Chris Brown "Best Love Song" video, Jay-Z etc...)

Also, I get fucking tired of hearing how some "artist" from this decade, channeled another artist from the 60's 70's or 80's, why the fuck do you need to channel someone? Be original, or at least try.

I am glad to be the one to tell you this:

There has never been a decade of popular music where the music in and of itself was considered mostly good. I've had this argument here before and was chastised but my argument still stands and is sound:

Pull out a Billboards Top 100 chart from the 50s - now. You will see some really good stuff (which is highly subjective) and you'll see mostly shite (which is highly subjective as well). The 60s gave us the Beatles, Beach Boys, etc. The 70s gave us stellar R&B. The 80s gave us the stellar pop and the namesake of the board. The 90s gave us stellar hip hop. But these generations were filled then as they are now, with disposable music that I doubt will make it into the western pop music canon. Dumb shit makes up 70% of any Billboard chart in my opinion.

The culprit of all of this?

You...as in the buying, normal populace who wants cheesy corn music that is opposite of cerebral.

If there was no desire for cheese, there'd be no cheese. You think the reason why classical music and America's only contribution to classical music, i.e. Jazz, are not popular because it's so easily digested? No!

Again, if there was no desire for corn and cheese, there'd be no corn or cheese.

People act as if the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s were so fucken great! No, they weren't. These decades each had their chart topping artists who'll never get mentioned again.

I blame YOU.

babybugz said:

It’s a thread like this every week on here I'm about to be 24 by the way and yes our generation is sad music is not the way it used to be. Just pretty much stick with people you like and who you feel meets up to your standards and you will be fine. The End

THIS.

The END.

This fucking thread.

Ridiculous.

TylerHippie said:

LayzieKrayzie said:

I'm not a "rude ass" because I think somebody is an idiot for calling music dead. It's not. Especially when you only name like 2 or 3 artists. Music is much more diverse than it was 3 or 4 years ago. Few examples.

Nobody is making all these songs with girls in the videos anymore. People are actually starting to like music with more substance.

Bro...I made a Tyler The Creator thread. Do you hear or see any of those artist you posted on the radio or T.V.? No. That's why I said music is dead because their playing the same corny music on the radio and T.V.(Lil Wayne, Drake, Nicki Minaj etc...)

Actually yes. They're all quite popular at this point in Hip-Hop.

minneapolisFunq said:

TylerHippie said:

Bro...I made a Tyler The Creator thread. Do you hear or see any of those artist you posted on the radio or T.V.? No. That's why I said music is dead because their playing the same corny music on the radio and T.V.(Lil Wayne, Drake, Nicki Minaj etc...)

I have trouble taking you serious.

Odd Future were featured on Jimmy Fallon's late night show and it boosted their popularity to new heights.

Tech Nine has a new music video that recently debuted on MTV.

Kid Cudi has also performed on numerous late night television shows and gets plenty of airtime.

All you have done is diss Lil Wayne and Drake. Okay, you don't like them.

I have done my fair share of Weezy bashing, but he isn't really that bad when you compare him to most mainstream rappers.

+Someone in this thread mentioned Wayne not playing guitar, well, he does play.

Dude, when the HELL did I "diss" Lil Wayne and Drake? Not once did I even mention them, let alone bash them.

LayzieKrayzie said:

minneapolisFunq said:

I have trouble taking you serious.

Odd Future were featured on Jimmy Fallon's late night show and it boosted their popularity to new heights.

Tech Nine has a new music video that recently debuted on MTV.

Kid Cudi has also performed on numerous late night television shows and gets plenty of airtime.

All you have done is diss Lil Wayne and Drake. Okay, you don't like them.

I have done my fair share of Weezy bashing, but he isn't really that bad when you compare him to most mainstream rappers.

+Someone in this thread mentioned Wayne not playing guitar, well, he does play.

Dude, when the HELL did I "diss" Lil Wayne and Drake? Not once did I even mention them, let alone bash them.

Lol I wasn't addressing you

TylerHippie was the intended target.

No disrepect but the "Yonkers" song by Tyler...well, um, I really tried my best listening to it but after the first 45 seconds I skipped forward to see if I could hear anything different. But, no, I skipped forward another minute and it sounded the same (which to me, is awful). I don't want to insult anyone's taste but there's no melody, key changes, instrumentation, and this guy's voice seems so damn monotone. I guess the reason I'm put off by a lot of so-called music today is that it sounds like it was just thrown together in 10 minutes. I can't sing nor play an instrument, so why would I waste time listening to so-called autotuned artists who can't sing nor play instruments either?

I'm not old by any means and have felt that the past decade or so of mainstream music (with a few exceptions) has been largely one-dimensional. I think this is part of the reason why Lady Gaga's commercial success has basically taken the world by storm because there really hadn't been anyone who "seemed" original and who had a different sound.

I think R&B is basically in the gutter, thanks to the shady promoters/managers/etc. who are just dying for "crossover" appeal while destroying the soul of R&B.

I'm really, REALLY trying to like Janelle Monae but it seems like her gimmick has already worn off. I find Bruno Mars to be unbearably irritating and I'm TRYING to like him.

One reason I appreciate Prince is because, good or bad, he CHALLENGED us with new sounds, looks, etc. and I think when he complains about "today's music", perhaps that's what he's referring to. Today's music is basically overproduced and condensed for ringtones and not for the soul.

How many people have listened to all (or any) of these albums, all the way through, without skipping songs? I'm sure there are other lists at sites I don't frequent, as well.

Spinner's top albums of 2011 so far

10 Charles Bradley - No Time For Dreaming

09 Tennis - Cape Dory

08 Yuck - Yuck

07 Fucked Up - David Comes To Life

06 Bright Eyes - The People's Key

05 Smith Westerns - Dye It Blonde

04 Fleet Foxes - Helplessness Blues

03 Antlers - Burst Apart

02 Black Lips - Arabia Mountain

01 Adele - 21

Spin's best 25 albums of 2011 so far

Foo Fighters - Wasting Light

PJ Harvey - Let England Shake

Fleet Foxes - Helplessness Blues

Bon Iver - Bon Iver

Big K.R.I.T. - Return of 4eva

Arctic Monkeys - Suck It And See

Beastie Boys - Hot Sauce Committee Pt 2

James Blake - James Blake

Adele - 21

Fucked Up - David Comes To Life

Elbow - Build A Rocket Boys!

TV on the Radio - Nine Types Of Light

DJ Quik - The Book Of David

Kurt Vile - Smoke Ring For My Halo

tUnE-yArDs - whokill

The Strokes - Angles

Lykke Li - Wounded Rhymes

Smith Westerns - Dye It Blonde

Panda Bear - Tomboy

The Weekend - House Of Balloons

Ema - Past Life Martyred Saints

Yuck - Yuck

Alela Diane - Alela Diane & Wild Divine

G-Side - The One

Stereogum's top 20 albums...011 so far

20 Puro Instinct - Headbangers In Ecstasy

19 Fleet Foxes - Helplessness Blues

18 Liturgy - Aesthetica

17 Tory Y Moi - Underneath The Pine

16 Krallace - Diotima

15 Yuck - Yuck

14 Destroyer - Kaputt

13 Smith Westerns - Dye It Blonde

12 Prurient - Bermuda Drain

11 Pure X - Pleasure

10 Unknown Mortal Orchestra - Unknown Mortal Orchestra

09 The Weekend - House Of Balloons

08 PJ Harvey - Let England Shake

07 Adele - 21

06 Pictureplane - Thee Physical

05 Fucked Up - David Comes To Life

04 Iceage - New Brigade

03 Austra - Feel It Break

02 Gang Gang Dance - Eye Contact

01 Bon Iver - Bon Iver

Stereogum's 26 best metal...011 so far

26 Portrait - Crimen Laesae Majestatis Divinae

25 Liturgy - Aesthethica

24 Negative Plane - Stained Glass Revelations

23 Vastum - Carnal Law

22 KEN Mode - Venerable

21 Maruta - Forward Into Regression

20 Loss - Despon

19 Burzom - Fallen

18 40 Watt Sun - The Inside Room

17 Autopsy - Macabre Eternal

16 Ash Borer - Ash Borer

15 Trap Them - Darker Handcraft

14 Indian - Guiltless

13 Peste Noire - L’Ordure à l’État Pur

12 Blut Aus Nord - 777

11 Sonne Adam - Transformation

10 In Solitude - The World, The Flesh, The Devil

09 Primordial - Redemption At The Puritan's Hand

08 Altar Of Plagues - Mammal

07 Gridlink - Orphan

06 Morne - Asylum

05 Necros Christos - Doom Of The Occult

04 Krallice - Diotima

03 Ulcerate - The Destroyers Of All

02 Disma - Toward The Megalith

01 Tombs - Path Of Totality

Stereogum's 18 Bands To Watch In 2011

aTelecine

Austra

Chelsea Wolfe

Craft Spells

Cult Of Youth

Esben and the Witch (Yeeesssss! Cerebus agrees.)

Frank Alpine

Horrid Red

Iceage

Kindest Lines

Lost Tribe

Martial Canterel

Mueran Humanos

Raw Moans

Soft Kill

Staccoto Du Mal

TRUST

White Ring

Lists of upcoming album releases through the end of 2011...

Spinner - 50 Records That...Us In 2011

Stereogum's 50 Most Antic...ms Of 2011

WikiPedia

Indie Rock Review

MetaCritic

I can think of at least a few factors at the top of my head for the state of music.

1. There is less money than ever in the music industry for artists to earn a living on, it has become a part time hobby more than ever for new artists.

2. Though technology now makes it feasible for upcoming artist to do what the Beatles and Quincy Jones spent millions of dollars to produce at a tiny fraction of the cost, that still only buys you the ability to produce the music, but not all the talented people that came with it and were involved in a Quincy Jones or Beatles production. The tools are just a small part of cooking the soup.

3. Even when great songs are released, the music industry is so fragmented now that a lot of good music fall through the cracks. That was one of the great benefits of the old music industry, where there was a very focused streamlined machine that moved music to direct channels and promoted the shit out of it.

Now music has so many different avenues and hyper-specialized, ghettoized, hyper-focused, sub-categorized channels that it is very difficult to find a place where all the best of the best from all categories, that are promoted properly and can be accessed easily and consumed casually while listening to the radio on-line at home at work, in the car... I find myself channel surfing too much, get tired and just leave it on a station and just suffer through the monotony of it as tiresome as that one hyper-focused style of music on that one station may become. And that is not such a bad thing, but it is a two edged sword.

I think, the problems I listed above are only problems in the short run, as time passes, someone will figure out how to balance things out and turn a problem into a multi-million dollar solution. Problems are only problems until someone figures out how to address them, and makes a killing in the process. I think the field is once again wide open for someone to make a killing in the music industry and re-invent it.

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Stereogum's Top 12 Albums...011 So Far

12 Tyler The Creator - Goblin

11 Cut Copy - Zonoscope

10 tunE-yArDs – w h o k i l l

09 TV on the Radio - Nine Types Of Light

08 Wild Beasts - Smother

07 Battles - Gloss Drop

06 Lukke Li - Wounded Rhymes

05 Cults - Cults

04 The Antlers - Burst Apart

03 Panda Bear - Tomboy

02 Radiohead - The King Of Limbs

01 James Blake - James Blake

Sex...

Music is not dead and never will be. What has happened is radio...radio is now own by conglomerates, i.e. Clear Channel who tell us what they "think" we should be listening to. The autonomy of radio is dead. There was a time when a DJ would step outside of his playlist and play a song that he really liked...it caught on and became a hit. Those days are over. There's still good music being made, but you don't hear it.

I will admit we have gotten too wrapped up in image instead of the music. We're all a part of it.

grethomory said:

Music is not dead and never will be. What has happened is radio...radio is now own by conglomerates, i.e. Clear Channel who tell us what they "think" we should be listening to. The autonomy of radio is dead. There was a time when a DJ would step outside of his playlist and play a song that he really liked...it caught on and became a hit. Those days are over. There's still good music being made, but you don't hear it.

I will admit we have gotten too wrapped up in image instead of the music. We're all a part of it.

Yes, but hasn't that been true since the late '70s/early '80s when rigid playlists became the norm? It's not really a recent phenomenon. I'm sure things have become worse over the years but this is something that has been a problem for thirty years.

EXACTLY its not supposed to make sense.

the OP was talking about American Mainstream Music, and then another person brought up native americans and all other kinds of stuff, that had nothing to do with topic at hand. And i asked them, if you don't call the music that is made in the USA, American Music then what is it called. And I still never recieved an answer.

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TotalAlisa said:

tinaz said:

This statement makes no sense whatsoever! You are contradicting yourself..

EXACTLY its not supposed to make sense.

the OP was talking about American Mainstream Music, and then another person brought up native americans and all other kinds of stuff, that had nothing to do with topic at hand. And i asked them, if you don't call the music that is made in the USA, American Music then what is it called. And I still never recieved an answer.

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