bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

@ the beverage preferences.

I shook my head at the Crown Royal and Orange Crush

that's the Joe in Michael right there

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Ever wondered what Mike and the kids liked to eat on long airplane trips? I like how he controlled the kid's diets. Makin' sure they eat healthy. Such a good father... His choice of food however...3 times a day?? I love this man...

"will try other forms of chicken, but would still like the KFC"...

*snickers like mad*

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Ever wondered what Mike and the kids liked to eat on long airplane trips? I like how he controlled the kid's diets. Makin' sure they eat healthy. Such a good father... His choice of food however...3 times a day?? I love this man...

I lol @ all the KFC.

Seriously though, Popeye's is far superior.

NVM

[Edited 7/4/11 6:29am]

I hate how this idiot was trying to needlessly fool MJ in this prank call, but it was indeed good to hear his voice again (and how passionate he was) in the brief sample TMZ provides!!! Anyway, I'm glad he's being stopped! Forgive me if this has been posted already.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/0...wn-letter/

MJ Estate -- REVENGE Over Famous Crank Call

7/4/2011 1:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

The Michael Jackson estate has dropped the hammer on the man who famously crank called MJ in 2007 ... claiming he has NO RIGHT to sell the recording because it contains MJ's REAL voice.



The call was made by legendary prankster Ralphige -- who has fooled the likes of Donald Trump, Paris Hilton, and Chris Brown.

During the MJ call, Ralphige pretended to be Akon ... and he teased Michael about molesting children. MJ claimed Ralphige was NOT talking to the real Michael Jackson ... but merely an impersonator.

Now, the MJ Estate is acknowledging that the King of Pop REALLY WAS was pranked -- because they've threatened to sue Ralphige for selling the recording on his website for 99 cents a pop ... without permission from MJ's camp.

The threat worked -- because Ralphige's site is down ... but the prankster sees a silver lining ... telling us, "The letter, if anything, it at least proves to the doubters that the prank call is real."

He adds, "I am afraid the estate is not aware Michael personally gave me permission to release the phone call. This is something that I am sure will be discussed in the near future."

MyNameIsPiper said:

dag said:

How could someone resist him?

I would've loved to hang out with this dude for a day! Just be silly and not give a fuck.

Yeah, hang out for a day and do you know what at night. He's too fine.

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

@ the beverage preferences.

I shook my head at the Crown Royal and Orange Crush

that's the Joe in Michael right there

Yeah. And "white wine on every flight."

alexnvrmnd777 said:

I hate how this idiot was trying to needlessly fool MJ in this prank call, but it was indeed good to hear his voice again (and how passionate he was) in the brief sample TMZ provides!!! Anyway, I'm glad he's being stopped! Forgive me if this has been posted already.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/0...wn-letter/

MJ Estate -- REVENGE Over Famous Crank Call

7/4/2011 1:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

The Michael Jackson estate has dropped the hammer on the man who famously crank called MJ in 2007 ... claiming he has NO RIGHT to sell the recording because it contains MJ's REAL voice.



The call was made by legendary prankster Ralphige -- who has fooled the likes of Donald Trump, Paris Hilton, and Chris Brown.

During the MJ call, Ralphige pretended to be Akon ... and he teased Michael about molesting children. MJ claimed Ralphige was NOT talking to the real Michael Jackson ... but merely an impersonator.

Now, the MJ Estate is acknowledging that the King of Pop REALLY WAS was pranked -- because they've threatened to sue Ralphige for selling the recording on his website for 99 cents a pop ... without permission from MJ's camp.

The threat worked -- because Ralphige's site is down ... but the prankster sees a silver lining ... telling us, "The letter, if anything, it at least proves to the doubters that the prank call is real."

He adds, "I am afraid the estate is not aware Michael personally gave me permission to release the phone call. This is something that I am sure will be discussed in the near future."

Haven't you heard the whole thing? Mike pranked him back when he realized that he was talking to someone else. He changed his voice at the end and said "oh, you thought you were talking to that freak Jackson..." or something like that and hung up.

Does anyone know where this is from?

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dag said:

MyNameIsPiper said:

I would've loved to hang out with this dude for a day! Just be silly and not give a fuck.

Yeah, hang out for a day and do you know what at night. He's too fine.

yeah, singing workin' workin' workin' day and night

dag said:

sigers1 said:

Asymphony5 said: what bit is idiotic dangling your own baby child out of a hotel window many floors up? Or sharing a bed with children who were not family? Be more specific Asymphony5

It's just sad that these are the only things you want to point out regarding someone who did so much, especially since some of the things are unfounded.

First of all, any discussion of MJ in a "Discuss Anything and Everything MJ," thread is on-topic and therefore not trolling IMO. People who want to share their criticism of Jackson on Prince.org have no place to do it, other than in this thread, per the boards' own ruling. This thread does not implicitly state that it's an "MJ Appreciation Thread."

Second of all, it is not really up for debate whether Jackson hurt children or not. It is a fact that he did. We don't even need to get into the minutiae of the sexual allegations, to acknowledge this. He did dangle his own child over a balcony to show his screaming fans.

It is well-documented in scientific research that human children are only born with two natural fears. (All other fears are learned behaviors.) What are those two base, natural fears? Fear of falling and fear of loud noises. Jackson callously subjected his child to both with one tragic incident.

We'll never truly know the extent of the psychological damage done that day to his own child, as the memory will most likely be repressed (where it can actually do the most damage). Not to mention the fact that this child will one day be an adult, and be forced to come to terms with this horrific image of his own father's abuse. To the Wacko Jackos who feel compelled to defend every action of his, how would you feel as an adult if you saw a picture of your parent dangling you over a balcony?

This happens to be the only time that we have photographic evidence of Jackson's horrible judgement as a parent. If something this callous was photographed once, I think it's safe to assume there were other times in private when Jackson demonstrated equally poor and perhaps abusive judgement as a parent.

In addition to this incident, he did choose to repeatedly take Anesthesia recreationally, knowing full well that he was the only parent to three young children. Anyone who has undergone surgery knows that you need to sign forms of consent anytime you undergo Anesthesia because you are putting your life at risk every time you do so. Jackson abused Anesthesia daily with no regard to the welfare of his children.

Lastly, it's really hard to make a Saint out of someone for their "charitable contributions," when they publicly wasted millions of dollars on their own completely selfish frivolities.

If as a fan, you chose to worship Jackson despite his abuse of children, that is your right. (I love Woody Allen, so who am I to criticize?) But to completely deny these obvious facts, simply makes your devotion come off as a little more than slightly-delusional.

I'm personally pleased that, now that he has passed, it seems most of the population places Jackson in the proper historical context; as an extremely talented child-star who was exploited and traumatized, was at the right place and time to record the biggest record of the 80's, and then slowly and sadly—since the release of that record—allowed his obvious mental illness to completely dwarf any artistic contribution he had ever made. Like Elvis, Jackson died a sad and drug addled has-been. Was he capable of a comeback? We'll never know for sure, but I think all except for his most loyal and devoted fanbase, will agree that it was highly unlikely.

[Edited 7/4/11 10:24am]

Imaginative said:

dag said:

It's just sad that these are the only things you want to point out regarding someone who did so much, especially since some of the things are unfounded.

First of all, any discussion of MJ in a "Discuss Anything and Everything MJ," is on-topic and therefore not trolling IMO. People who want to share their criticism of Jackson on Prince.org have no place to do it, other than in this thread, per the boards' own ruling. This thread does not implicitly state that it's an "MJ Appreciation Thread."

Second of all, it is not really up for debate whether Jackson hurt children or not. It is a fact that he did. We don't even need to get into the minutiae of the sexual allegations, to acknowledge this. He did dangle his own child over a balcony to show his screaming fans.

It is well-documented in scientific research that human children are only born with two natural fears. (All other fears are learned behaviors.) What are those two base, natural fears? Fear of falling and fear of loud noises. Jackson callously subjected his child to both with one incident. We'll never truly know the extent of the psychological damage done that day to his own child, as the memory will most likely be repressed (where it can actually do the most damage). Not to mention the fact that this child will one day be an adult, and be forced to come to terms with this horrific image of his father's abuse. To the Wacko Jackos who feel compelled to defend every action of his, how would you feel as an adult if you saw a picture of your suicidal mother or father dangling you over a balcony?

This happens to be the only time that we have photographic evidence of Jackson's horrible judgement as a parent. If something this callous was photographed once, I think it's safe to assume there were other times in private when Jackson demonstrated extremely poor and perhaps abusive judgement as a parent.

In addition to this incident, he did choose to repeatedly take Anesthesia recreationally, knowing full well that he was the only parent to three young children. Anyone who has undergone surgery knows that you need to sign forms of consent anytime you undergo Anesthesia because you are putting your life at risk every time you do so. Jackson abused Anesthesia daily with no regard to the welfare of his children.

Lastly, it's really hard to make a Saint out of someone for their "charitable contributions," when they publicly wasted millions of dollars on their own completely selfish frivolities.

If as a fan, you chose to worship Jackson despite his abuse of children, that is your right. (I love Woody Allen, so who am I to criticize?) But to completely deny these obvious facts, simply makes your devotion come off as a little more than slightly-delusional.

I'm personally pleased that, now that he has passed, it seems most of the population places Jackson in the proper historical context; as an extremely talented child-star who was exploited and traumatized, was at the right place and time to record the biggest record of the 80's, and then slowly and sadly—since the release of that record—allowed his obvious mental illness to completely dwarf any artistic contribution he had ever made. Like Elvis, Jackson died a sad and drug addled has-been. Was he capable of a comeback? We'll never know for sure, but I think all except for his most loyal and devoted fanbase, will agree that it was highly unlikely.

[Edited 7/4/11 10:11am]

Right, I am deluded and you base your opinion about his parenting skills on one picture. It's also hard to say what is your fact that he hurt children based on. Nobody has ever proven it, but I guess you would. I truly don't know what you base your statement about me worshiping MJ and how do you know I defend his every action. Sorry, but I don't feel like participating in this type of discussion any more.

Imaginative said:

dag said:

It's just sad that these are the only things you want to point out regarding someone who did so much, especially since some of the things are unfounded.

First of all, any discussion of MJ in a "Discuss Anything and Everything MJ," thread is on-topic and therefore not trolling IMO. People who want to share their criticism of Jackson on Prince.org have no place to do it, other than in this thread, per the boards' own ruling. This thread does not implicitly state that it's an "MJ Appreciation Thread."

Second of all, it is not really up for debate whether Jackson hurt children or not. It is a fact that he did. We don't even need to get into the minutiae of the sexual allegations, to acknowledge this. He did dangle his own child over a balcony to show his screaming fans.

It is well-documented in scientific research that human children are only born with two natural fears. (All other fears are learned behaviors.) What are those two base, natural fears? Fear of falling and fear of loud noises. Jackson callously subjected his child to both with one incident. We'll never truly know the extent of the psychological damage done that day to his own child, as the memory will most likely be repressed (where it can actually do the most damage). Not to mention the fact that this child will one day be an adult, and be forced to come to terms with this horrific image of his father's abuse. To the Wacko Jackos who feel compelled to defend every action of his, how would you feel as an adult if you saw a picture of your suicidal mother or father dangling you over a balcony?

This happens to be the only time that we have photographic evidence of Jackson's horrible judgement as a parent. If something this callous was photographed once, I think it's safe to assume there were other times in private when Jackson demonstrated extremely poor and perhaps abusive judgement as a parent.

In addition to this incident, he did choose to repeatedly take Anesthesia recreationally, knowing full well that he was the only parent to three young children. Anyone who has undergone surgery knows that you need to sign forms of consent anytime you undergo Anesthesia because you are putting your life at risk every time you do so. Jackson abused Anesthesia daily with no regard to the welfare of his children.

Lastly, it's really hard to make a Saint out of someone for their "charitable contributions," when they publicly wasted millions of dollars on their own completely selfish frivolities.

If as a fan, you chose to worship Jackson despite his abuse of children, that is your right. (I love Woody Allen, so who am I to criticize?) But to completely deny these obvious facts, simply makes your devotion come off as a little more than slightly-delusional.

I'm personally pleased that, now that he has passed, it seems most of the population places Jackson in the proper historical context; as an extremely talented child-star who was exploited and traumatized, was at the right place and time to record the biggest record of the 80's, and then slowly and sadly—since the release of that record—allowed his obvious mental illness to completely dwarf any artistic contribution he had ever made. Like Elvis, Jackson died a sad and drug addled has-been. Was he capable of a comeback? We'll never know for sure, but I think all except for his most loyal and devoted fanbase, will agree that it was highly unlikely.

[Edited 7/4/11 10:20am]

mimi07 said:

dag said:

Right, I am deluded and you base your opinion about his parenting skills on one picture. It's also hard to say what is your fact that he hurt children based on. Nobody has ever proven it, but I guess you would. I truly don't know what you base your statement about me worshiping MJ and how do you know I defend his every action. Sorry, but I don't feel like participating in this type of discussion any more.

Everything I state is a fact and cannot be disputed. Not a word of what I said is "unfounded." As I said, one does not even need to discuss the sexual allegations to discuss the abuse. They only need to look at how he publicly treated his own children.

Again, if you choose to dismiss the photographic evidence of Jackson's child abuse, that is your right. Let me ask you this; if this "one picture," was instead of Jackson raping or murdering someone, would you just as easily dismiss it because it is "one picture"? How many pictures do you need?

Yes, you are right. It is only "one picture" of Jackson risking the life of and traumatizing his own child. I see you conveniently chose not to answer how you would feel as an adult, if you came across "only one picture" of your smiling parent dangling your infant body over a three story balcony.

[Edited 7/4/11 10:48am]

Imaginative said:

dag said:

Right, I am deluded and you base your opinion about his parenting skills on one picture. It's also hard to say what is your fact that he hurt children based on. Nobody has ever proven it, but I guess you would. I truly don't know what you base your statement about me worshiping MJ and how do you know I defend his every action. Sorry, but I don't feel like participating in this type of discussion any more.

Everything I state is a fact and cannot be disputed. Again, if you choose to dismiss the photographic evidence of Jackson's child abuse, that is your right. Let me ask you this; if this "one picture," was instead of Jackson raping or murdering someone, would you just as easily dismiss it because it is "one picture"? How many pictures do you need?

Yes, you are right. It is only "one picture," of Jackson risking the life of and traumatizing his own child. I see you conveniently chose not to answer how you would feel as an adult, if you came across a picture of your smiling parent dangling your infant body over a three story balcony.

Just go. Really. You know this thread is for fans. Nobody wants your sh!t here, you're just going to branded as another troll and hated by all Michael fans on the board. Do us all a favour and leave.

Disagreeing is not trolling. The thread is "Discuss Anything and Everything MJ." This board does not allow me to create another Jackson thread to discuss these issues. This is the only place. If you want to be shielded completely from criticism, you should go to a Michael Jackson Fan Forum. Or are all of the MJ-centic English speaking forums slowly disappearing or suffering from non-traffic, as I would suspect?

I am simply attempting to have a civil discussion and pose some very real questions. So far none of my questions have been answered.

[Edited 7/4/11 10:53am]

Imaginative said:

Disagreeing is not trolling. The thread is "Discuss Anything and Everything MJ." This board does not allow me to create another Jackson thread to discuss these issues. This is the only place.

I am simply attempting to have a civil discussion and pose some very real questions. So far none of my questions have been answered.

Nobody cares about your issues nor your civil discussion. Nor do they care about your "very real questions". All you're gonna do is make them upset. You might as well just give up, cause nobody is gonna enjoy your company or engage in this discussion if you persist.

Imaginative said:

dag said:

Right, I am deluded and you base your opinion about his parenting skills on one picture. It's also hard to say what is your fact that he hurt children based on. Nobody has ever proven it, but I guess you would. I truly don't know what you base your statement about me worshiping MJ and how do you know I defend his every action. Sorry, but I don't feel like participating in this type of discussion any more.

Everything I state is a fact and cannot be disputed. Not a word of what I said is "unfounded." As I said, one does not even need to discuss the sexual allegations to discuss the abuse. They only need to look at how he publicly treated his own children.

Again, if you choose to dismiss the photographic evidence of Jackson's child abuse, that is your right. Let me ask you this; if this "one picture," was instead of Jackson raping or murdering someone, would you just as easily dismiss it because it is "one picture"? How many pictures do you need?

Yes, you are right. It is only "one picture" of Jackson risking the life of and traumatizing his own child. I see you conveniently chose not to answer how you would feel as an adult, if you came across a picture of your smiling parent dangling your infant body over a three story balcony.

[Edited 7/4/11 10:40am]

That balcony incident was a stupid mistake. Everybody, including Mike, knew that.

Why don't you go somewhere and discuss your worries about Woody Allen. BTW how can you worship him and be so blind to his actions if you like him.

Imaginative said:

Disagreeing is not trolling. The thread is "Discuss Anything and Everything MJ." This board does not allow me to create another Jackson thread to discuss these issues. This is the only place.

I am simply attempting to have a civil discussion and pose some very real questions. So far none of my questions have been answered.

As I said, go and pose some real questions about Woody Allen.

Ignore the elephant in the room, folks, nothing to see here...

dag said:

That balcony incident was a stupid mistake. Everybody, including Mike, knew that.

Why don't you go somewhere and discuss your worries about Woody Allen. BTW how can you worship him and be so blind to his actions if you like him.

Again, you dismiss the fact that this "stupid mistake" was also abusive. I guess you can just as easily say that when father Joe repeated hit the young Jackson with a belt, that was also just a "stupid mistake." Leaving the iron on is a "stupid mistake." Dangling your infant over a balcony is abuse.

I don't worry about or worship Woody Allen. Nor am I blind to his actions. I simply enjoy his art, while still recognizing that he is an extremely flawed and neurotic human being. That's the difference between a rational human being and some of the folks posting here.

I've never seen someone here say, "Yes, Michael Jackson abused his children and irresponsibly left them orphaned, but I chose to like his art anyway." I would have no problem with that statement. Anything else is blind and delusional hero worship.

[Edited 7/4/11 11:05am]

Imaginative said:

Disagreeing is not trolling. The thread is "Discuss Anything and Everything MJ." This board does not allow me to create another Jackson thread to discuss these issues. This is the only place. If you want to be shielded completely from criticism, you should go to a Michael Jackson Fan Forum. Or are all of the MJ-centic English speaking forums slowly disappearing or suffering from non-traffic, as I would suspect?

I am simply attempting to have a civil discussion and pose some very real questions. So far none of my questions have been answered.

[Edited 7/4/11 10:53am]

Don't try.

Here you'll see a monster like Joe Jackson being put on a pedestal, a nut case like Latoya being called cute because she acts like a 5 years old, a liar like Janet being praised for her sincereness and 5 lazy, pathetic excuses for human beings (MJ's bros) being venerated. The MJ fandom is just a colateral damaged which, despite everything, does have its reasons to exist.

dag said:

Imaginative said:

Disagreeing is not trolling. The thread is "Discuss Anything and Everything MJ." This board does not allow me to create another Jackson thread to discuss these issues. This is the only place.

I am simply attempting to have a civil discussion and pose some very real questions. So far none of my questions have been answered.

As I said, go and pose some real questions about Woody Allen.

That would be off-topic in this thread. If you feel compelled to start a new thread regarding Woody Allen, I would be happy to contribute my thoughts and feelings.

That's the problem here...People are so busy discussing Michael's personal life to the point that it gets in the way of his music. If you didn't know MJ personally, stop trying to analyze his life and what he would and wouldn't have did when he was alive. Sit back and enjoy the music. Let his music bathe you in the moonlight *MJ voice*

ViintageJunkiie said:

That's the problem here...People are so busy discussing Michael's personal life to the point that it gets in the way of his music. If you didn't know MJ personally, stop trying to analyze his life and what he would and wouldn't have did when he was alive. Sit back and enjoy the music. Let his music bathe you in the moonlight *MJ voice*

I can tell you I never met Madoff but I can assure you he was a crook. I never met Pol Pot but I guarantee you he was a crazy, frustrated human being.

The "you don't know him/them" is an idiotic excuse to defend what has no defense whatsoever. It's always used but Jackson fans.

alphastreet said:

dag said:

Yeah, hang out for a day and do you know what at night. He's too fine.

yeah, singing workin' workin' workin' day and night

Stop that y'all! Pretty soon Mike's gonna have a 3 girl orgy, myself included!

MOL said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

That's the problem here...People are so busy discussing Michael's personal life to the point that it gets in the way of his music. If you didn't know MJ personally, stop trying to analyze his life and what he would and wouldn't have did when he was alive. Sit back and enjoy the music. Let his music bathe you in the moonlight *MJ voice*

I can tell you I never met Madoff but I can assure you he was a crook. I never met Pol Pot but I guarantee you he was a crazy, frustrated human being.

The "you don't know him/them" is an idiotic excuse to defend what has no defense whatsoever. It's always used but Jackson fans.

Dude...Pol Pot and Michael Jackson are miles apart.

MOL said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

That's the problem here...People are so busy discussing Michael's personal life to the point that it gets in the way of his music. If you didn't know MJ personally, stop trying to analyze his life and what he would and wouldn't have did when he was alive. Sit back and enjoy the music. Let his music bathe you in the moonlight *MJ voice*

I can tell you I never met Madoff but I can assure you he was a crook. I never met Pol Pot but I guarantee you he was a crazy, frustrated human being.

The "you don't know him/them" is an idiotic excuse to defend what has no defense whatsoever. It's always used but Jackson fans.

Okay.

Imaginative said:

dag said:

As I said, go and pose some real questions about Woody Allen.

That would be off-topic in this thread. If you feel compelled to start a new thread regarding Woody Allen, I would be happy to contribute my thoughts and feelings.

I won't cause I couldn't care less about him. You go somewhere where they discuss him. What's the point in talking about someone you don't care about?

And calling others delusional is not a civil discussion.