rialb said:

lastdecember said:

How is it weak? Prime in what respect? Commercial? Or Artistic, saying Artistic Prime is way more subjective than anything, Prince has gone in and out of "artistic" primes, the Beatles point is a valid one because they were starting to find the "artistic" prime as the "commercial" one was not as relevant and their dominance was not what it was, and the so called Backlash started on them. So "artistic" prime to some is not the same to others, people will say that John Mellencamp was at his "prime" when he was doing Jack and Diane and Pink Houses, to me and to alot of others he didnt hit his "ARTISTIC" peak till 1994 and on, so again, all subjective.

Well, you will notice that I used the word "maybe" twice. That was because I disagreed with your assertion that by Rubber Soul they didn't "monopolize the chart" in the same way they did before. Huh? The Beatles were still massive with number one albums and singles right up until the end. They were releasing slightly less product but that was a combination of taking more time in the studio and exerting greater control over what their American label was releasing. If anything I would argue that from Rubber Soul on the Beatles achieved one of the greatest blends of commercial and artistic success of any artist in any genre.

The Beatles' career was fairly brief so I don't understand why you are comparing them to John Cougar Mellencamp. They basically only had a little over seven years as a popular recording unit and he has been around for thirty-five years, seems like a terrible comparison. The thing about the Beatles is that they broke up before they had a chance to decline, both commercially and artistically.

But still prime is prime, and if commercial is being spoken of yes the Beatles never really slipped but if we broke down every single release they had over that period, you will see the decline in chart numbers after the initial breakthrough, NOW what is decline to them is nothing that any other artist can and will ever have to experience. And i wasnt comparing Mellencamp to the Beatles as anything more than what the thread spoke of and that is prime, so what is prime to him which was 1983-1986 (commercial) it was different for them, with that thought than we cant name anyone else in any discussions with the Beatles. So if and when Mariah Carey breaks their 20 number one record, its irrelevant because she will have 25 years to do it and they had 7, which i do agree with, but a record is a record.

To me the Beatles improved artistically as they declined commercially, like ir or not they did lose alot of their base, which is understandable they all do, yes they were huge but no where near the mania of 1964.

lastdecember said:

rialb said:

Well, you will notice that I used the word "maybe" twice. That was because I disagreed with your assertion that by Rubber Soul they didn't "monopolize the chart" in the same way they did before. Huh? The Beatles were still massive with number one albums and singles right up until the end. They were releasing slightly less product but that was a combination of taking more time in the studio and exerting greater control over what their American label was releasing. If anything I would argue that from Rubber Soul on the Beatles achieved one of the greatest blends of commercial and artistic success of any artist in any genre.

The Beatles' career was fairly brief so I don't understand why you are comparing them to John Cougar Mellencamp. They basically only had a little over seven years as a popular recording unit and he has been around for thirty-five years, seems like a terrible comparison. The thing about the Beatles is that they broke up before they had a chance to decline, both commercially and artistically.

But still prime is prime, and if commercial is being spoken of yes the Beatles never really slipped but if we broke down every single release they had over that period, you will see the decline in chart numbers after the initial breakthrough, NOW what is decline to them is nothing that any other artist can and will ever have to experience. And i wasnt comparing Mellencamp to the Beatles as anything more than what the thread spoke of and that is prime, so what is prime to him which was 1983-1986 (commercial) it was different for them, with that thought than we cant name anyone else in any discussions with the Beatles. So if and when Mariah Carey breaks their 20 number one record, its irrelevant because she will have 25 years to do it and they had 7, which i do agree with, but a record is a record.

To me the Beatles improved artistically as they declined commercially, like ir or not they did lose alot of their base, which is understandable they all do, yes they were huge but no where near the mania of 1964.

Shh, we don't like to think about that ever happening.

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If your musical vision is limited to Pop music, it may become a more difficult question for some to answer.
However as a number of posters have shown, branch out into other genres and it actually becomes quite easy.


King's X...

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They ROCK harder and smarter than anyone in this category for me.
I believe in September, oldest member dUg Pinnick (bass/vocals) hits 60 and youngest member Ty Tabor (guitar/vocals) hits 50.

The following tracks are selections from the above albums that were recorded when dUg was 50 or better.




...Believe




...Fly




...Alright



Music for adventurous listeners

tA

Tribal Records

lastdecember said:

armpit said:

This is true.

I'd put Prince and Michael Jackson on the list too.

actually not really because if we are saying after the age of 50, MJ did nothing, and Prince well, Lotus Flower was great but it also had MPLsound with it, which stunk big time. 20ten is very good but still some holes.

Michael died at age 50 before he could unleash the greatest tour someone his age had ever done.

aardvark15 said:

wow, there's a big difference between great music and just "competent" or good new albums

if we're talkin' about great music, I can only say (escluding blues and jazz)

Bob Dylan - Time Out of Mind / Love and Theft / Modern Times

Springsteen - The Rising

Paul McCartney - Flaming Pie

Brian Wilson - Smile (2004 finished, final version)

David Bowie - Heathen

JoeTyler said:

Imaginative said:

aardvark15 said:

Michael died at age 50 before he could unleash the greatest tour someone his age had ever done.

Also before he could find a cure for Cancer and AIDS, teach a chimpanzee how to speak Englsh, build a sustainable colony on Mars, discover a way for men to give birth anally and score his first #1 single in 15 years.

FU

aardvark15 said:

Imaginative said:

aardvark15 said: Also before he could find a cure for Cancer and AIDS, teach a chimpanzee how to speak Englsh, build a sustainable colony on Mars, discover a way for men to give birth anally and score his first #1 single in 15 years.

FU

That is just spectacularly nasty and uncalled for. You can't dim MJ's musical and giving legacy with your lethal negativity--it speaks for itself.

Madonna

Cher

Santana

Donna Summer

purplethunder3121 said:

aardvark15 said:

FU

That is just spectacularly nasty and uncalled for. You can't dim MJ's musical and giving legacy with your lethal negativity--it speaks for itself.

aardvark15 said:

Michael died at age 50 before he could unleash the greatest tour someone his age had ever done.

On May 20, it was announced that the first concert would be pushed back five days to July 13 and three other July dates would be rescheduled for March 2010. AEG Live said that the delay was necessary because more time was needed for dress rehearsals. Read between the lines: A show this size and magnitude and with this much publicity isn't rescheduled without a good reason. There was already speculation that the shows might have been cancelled had he lived.

Bringing up MJ in this thread is nothing short of a joke. He couldn't manage to make great music past the age of 35, let alone 50. He was a broken down, destitute has-been by the time he died.

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Imaginative said:

aardvark15 said:

Michael died at age 50 before he could unleash the greatest tour someone his age had ever done.

On May 20, it was announced that the first concert would be pushed back five days to July 13 and three other July dates would be rescheduled for March 2010. AEG Live said that the delay was necessary because more time was needed for dress rehearsals.

Bringing up MJ in this thread is nothing short of a joke. He couldn't manage to make great music past the age of 35, let alone 50. He was a broken down, destitute has-been by the time he died.

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This is coming from the same guy who thought Prince couldn't play tons of instruments. And what does pushing dates back have to do with anything? he wanted to make sure it was perfect.

aardvark15 said:

This is coming from the same guy who thought Prince couldn't play tons of instruments. And what does pushing dates back have to do with anything? he wanted to make sure it was perfect.

And if you read the thread you mention, everyone on this board unanimously agrees that Prince plays essentially FOUR instruments, which if you look, was what I said in my original post. If you consider four a "ton," then I might be inclined to agree with you.

I'm still hoping some day to see Prince play something other than Bass, Guitar, Piano and Percussion. Care to help me out?

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Imaginative said:

aardvark15 said:

This is coming from the same guy who thought Prince couldn't play tons of instruments. And what does pushing dates back have to do with anything? he wanted to make sure it was perfect.

And if you read the thread you mention, everyone on this board unanimously agrees that Prince plays essentially FOUR instruments, which if you look, was what I said in my original post. If you consider four a "ton," then I might be inclined to agree with you.

I'm still hoping some day to see Prince play something other than Bass, Guitar, Piano and Percussion. Care to help me out?

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Moat people disagreed with U. Just leave this forum it's quite obvious your a troll

aardvark15 said:

Imaginative said:

And if you read the thread you mention, everyone on this board unanimously agrees that Prince plays essentially FOUR instruments, which if you look, was what I said in my original post. If you consider four a "ton," then I might be inclined to agree with you.

I'm still hoping some day to see Prince play something other than Bass, Guitar, Piano and Percussion. Care to help me out?

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Moat people disagreed with U. Just leave this forum it's quite obvious your a troll

And you are obviously illiterate, both musically and verbally. Everyone agreed that Prince plays keyboards, guitar, bass and percussion. What other instruments or posts are you even referring to?

Imaginative said:

And if you read the thread you mention, everyone on this board unanimously agrees that Prince plays essentially FOUR instruments

How is that? I've never seen the thread before, and I hardly ever go in the Prince section.

MickyDolenz said:

Imaginative said:

And if you read the thread you mention, everyone on this board unanimously agrees that Prince plays essentially FOUR instruments

How is that? I've never seen the thread before, and I hardly ever go in the Prince section.

The thread is called The Myth of Prince the Multi-Instrumentalist.

I'm actually dying to hear Prince play something outside of keyboard, guitar, bass and drums. Strangely, no one on the board seems to be able to help me.

Imaginative said:

MickyDolenz said:

How is that? I've never seen the thread before, and I hardly ever go in the Prince section.

The thread is called The Myth of Prince the Multi-Instrumentalist.

I'm actually dying to hear Prince play something outside of keyboard, guitar, bass and drums. Strangely, no one on the board seems to be able to help me.

Because no one likes trolls who doesn't even consider Prince in the top 10 of there favorite recording artists. Face it ur a troll.

Because no one likes trolls who doesn't even consider Prince in the top 10 of there favorite recording artists. Face it ur a troll.

You're bringing up MJ in a thread about artists who made great music past the age of 50 when he committed suicide at the age of 50.... yet, I'm the troll? Seems to me you're the one off topic.

Your illiteracy prevented you from reading my sarcasm. No one CAN name an instrument played by Prince outside of guitar, bass, keyboard and percussion. Including yourself.

If my list was limited to pop music made since 1967 like yours was, Prince would definitely crack my top 7. But as it is, I am a professor of Music History specializing in all recorded music of the 20th Century, so I have a bit more broad of a scope than you to draw from, and have been exposed to a LOT more music than you.

This board is for people who love Prince, and I sure meet those qualifications.

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Imaginative said:

aardvark15 said:

Michael died at age 50 before he could unleash the greatest tour someone his age had ever done.

Bringing up MJ in this thread is nothing short of a joke. He couldn't manage to make great music past the age of 35, let alone 50. He was a broken down, destitute has-been by the time he died.

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Yeah such a has been that he sold 02 50 times in a matter of hours. get a reality check...i'm sure a lot of sstars half his age would give one of their kidneys to be able to achieve that

LightOfArt said:

Yeah such a has been that he sold 02 50 times in a matter of hours. get a reality check...i'm sure a lot of sstars half his age would give one of their kidneys to be able to achieve that

You're absolutely right. How could I possibily forget what a huge success the "This Is Shit" tour was? Oh, because it never happened.

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Imaginative said:

LightOfArt said:

Yeah such a has been that he sold 02 50 times in a matter of hours. get a reality check...i'm sure a lot of sstars half his age would give one of their kidneys to be able to achieve that

You're absolutely right. How could I possibily forget what a huge success the "This Is Shit" tour was? Oh, because it never happened.

Just because something doesn't happen doesn't mean it wasn't going to be good. Also what evidence do u have that your a Music history professor and I happen to like music from all time periods I just like MJ,JJ, and Prince because no one has ever been able to completely copy them. I really shouldn't respond to u because obviously your a troll who just wants to keep on feeding this fire.

aardvark15 said:

Just because something doesn't happen doesn't mean it wasn't going to be good.

We agree there!

Thanks for agreeing with me. I'll leave it at that, and let you have the final word.

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Imaginative said:

aardvark15 said:

Just because something doesn't happen doesn't mean it wasn't going to be good.

We agree there!

Thanks for agreeing with me.

What did we agree on? This Is It was going to be amazing! Its a shame it didn't happen.

Imaginative said:

aardvark15 said:

This is coming from the same guy who thought Prince couldn't play tons of instruments. And what does pushing dates back have to do with anything? he wanted to make sure it was perfect.

And if you read the thread you mention, everyone on this board unanimously agrees that Prince plays essentially FOUR instruments, which if you look, was what I said in my original post. If you consider four a "ton," then I might be inclined to agree with you.

I'm still hoping some day to see Prince play something other than Bass, Guitar, Piano and Percussion. Care to help me out?

He doesn't perform the other ones live on shows. He performs the other instruments in his albums.

He doesn't perform the other ones live on shows. He performs the other instruments in his albums.

I don't want to send this thread any more off topic than you already have by bringing up MJ.

If you can name other instruments--or even one, please start a new thread listing instruments Prince plays other than guitar, bass, percussion and keyboards.

KK I will but EYE want 2. Not when some bitch like u tels me 2. And I didn't bring up MJ. I was replying to an earlier post.

EDIT: Wait how are my posts off topic!!!!!!!!!!!??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????!!!!!!!!!!!

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