armpit said:

Record companies are notorious for trying to find acts exactly like other music stars anyway - they see that someone is a hit and there's a working formula, they try to milk it to death. And this group did show up after the Jackson 5, so...no offense, but I stand by what I said.

The Osmonds were out long before the J5, but they started out as a barbershop quartet style group. Their image was changed when the Jackson brothers became popular. As far as the J5 goes, their music wasn't a lot different than other stuff on Motown (other than kids singing it). I Want You Back was written for Gladys Knight & The Pips. Other songs weren't original to them like Who's Loving You, Can You Remember, Stand, Daddy's Home, etc.

armpit said:

TD3 said:

That's Ricky Sylvers... Joseph Richard Sylvers.

The comparisons between the Jackson 5 and the Sylvers has little merit. The only similarity either group shared was, being black, singing R&B/Soul music, and they both came from large families. Musically speaking they were polar opposites, with the Slyvers sound closer to the Fight Dimension than anything the Jackson5 recorded.

I like both groups very much and I've always thought is was kinda silly to separate Michael from the Jackson 5; he didn't start out as a solo artist. All of the Jackson's should be respected for their contribution towards the group for that period of time. (IMO)

================================

[Edited 6/21/11 17:21pm]

...Well, I know that's what people are saying - but come on now, that "Storybook Girl" sounds exactly like something the Jackson 5 would've done. If someone had posted it up with no group name or pics attached to it, I would've immediately assumed it was an unreleased J5 track.

Record companies are notorious for trying to find acts exactly like other music stars anyway - they see that someone is a hit and there's a working formula, they try to milk it to death. And this group did show up after the Jackson 5, so...no offense, but I stand by what I said.

Oh, no offense taken at all.

I don't speak of what people would've done, either you do, are you don't. I don't care what angle the record companies had in mind on how they market a group. Less make sure we know what we are talking about when it concerns the history of The Sylvers. They didn't arrive after the Jackson's. The Little Angels started their careers in (Olympia, Leon, Charmaine, and James) the late 1950's. In the 50's they were appearing on TV and opening up for Johnny Mathis and Ray Charles.... late 50's / early 60's. As the "Little Angels and later as the Sylvers they recorded and released about a dozen or more singles before their 1st album.... The Sylvers I 1972.

I don't recall the Jackson 5 ever singing much three, four, or five part harmonies. I don't recall the Jackson 5 coming out of the gate writing their own music.

^ Most family groups had a lot of history prior to their debuts. The Emotions started singing when they were barely out of their diapers, so did the Isley Brothers. It seems as if compared to other groups, the Jackson 5's career started because Joe's career had tanked and his sons had more talent than him. I didn't get that vibe with the other family groups - Osmonds included.

Timmy84 said:

^ Most family groups had a lot of history prior to their debuts. The Emotions started singing when they were barely out of their diapers, so did the Isley Brothers. It seems as if compared to other groups, the Jackson 5's career started because Joe's career had tanked and his sons had more talent than him. I didn't get that vibe with the other family groups - Osmonds included.

Yep.

There's this misnomer the Sylvers started after the Jackson 5 or because of the Jackson 5, that wasn't or isn't the case.

Timmy84 said:

It seems as if compared to other groups, the Jackson 5's career started because Joe's career had tanked and his sons had more talent than him. I didn't get that vibe with the other family groups - Osmonds included.

I always thought that if The Falcons took off, there probably wouldn't have been a J5. Some of the younger children might not have even been born if Joe was touring all the time.

Joe's brother Luther was performing until a few years ago with his band Loose Cannons.

Anybody got an online link for theSyjvers Unsung episode? Ain't got no TV...

purplethunder3121 said:

Anybody got an online link for theSyjvers Unsung episode? Ain't got no TV...

It hasn't aired yet, Aug 1st.

TV ONE does at somepoint show Unsung episodes online, right orgers?

TD3 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Anybody got an online link for theSyjvers Unsung episode? Ain't got no TV...

It hasn't aired yet, Aug 1st.

TV ONE does at somepoint show Unsung episodes online, right orgers?

Oops! My bad...shoulda read through the thread first...and, yeah, you're right--TV One does put thrm on the website.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

It seems as if compared to other groups, the Jackson 5's career started because Joe's career had tanked and his sons had more talent than him. I didn't get that vibe with the other family groups - Osmonds included.

I always thought that if The Falcons took off, there probably wouldn't have been a J5. Some of the younger children might not have even been born if Joe was touring all the time.

Joe's brother Luther was performing until a few years ago with his band Loose Cannons.

Yeah no one never thought of that. Falcons becoming a success, Jermaine, Marlon, La Toya, Michael, Janet and Randy probably wouldn't have been born and it would've changed music history. Maybe it was fate that his band bombed lol

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

I always thought that if The Falcons took off, there probably wouldn't have been a J5. Some of the younger children might not have even been born if Joe was touring all the time.

Joe's brother Luther was performing until a few years ago with his band Loose Cannons.

Yeah no one never thought of that. Falcons becoming a success, Jermaine, Marlon, La Toya, Michael, Janet and Randy probably wouldn't have been born and it would've changed music history. Maybe it was fate that his band bombed lol

'God moves in mysterious ways'

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah no one never thought of that. Falcons becoming a success, Jermaine, Marlon, La Toya, Michael, Janet and Randy probably wouldn't have been born and it would've changed music history. Maybe it was fate that his band bombed lol

'God moves in mysterious ways'

Or in better words, Joe and Katherine's fucking marathon.

"Hey my career's in the toilet, wanna fuck, Katie?"

"Sure Joe, why not? Ain't like there ain't nothin' better to do."

J/K but then again...

Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

'God moves in mysterious ways'

Or in better words, Joe and Katherine's fucking marathon.

"Hey my career's in the toilet, wanna fuck, Katie?"

"Sure Joe, why not? Ain't like there ain't nothin' better to do."

J/K but then again...

I can't breathe...

"Boy", you know you're uh, fool!

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

Or in better words, Joe and Katherine's fucking marathon.

"Hey my career's in the toilet, wanna fuck, Katie?"

"Sure Joe, why not? Ain't like there ain't nothin' better to do."

J/K but then again...

I can't breathe...

"Boy", you know you're uh, fool!

The Sylvers 1971, Verve Records

45 RPM -

(A-side) Just A Lonely Soul

(B-side) Come On Give Me A Chance

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

I always thought that if The Falcons took off, there probably wouldn't have been a J5. Some of the younger children might not have even been born if Joe was touring all the time.

Joe's brother Luther was performing until a few years ago with his band Loose Cannons.

Yeah no one never thought of that. Falcons becoming a success, Jermaine, Marlon, La Toya, Michael, Janet and Randy probably wouldn't have been born and it would've changed music history. Maybe it was fate that his band bombed lol

I guess there would have been a lot more "Joh'vonnie's" though.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah no one never thought of that. Falcons becoming a success, Jermaine, Marlon, La Toya, Michael, Janet and Randy probably wouldn't have been born and it would've changed music history. Maybe it was fate that his band bombed lol

I guess there would have been a lot more "Joh'vonnie's" though.

OK, peoples its "on", tonight. I even know what channel to watch, thanks to funkpill.

[Edited 8/1/11 6:08am]

Thanks...I used to love those afros...

TD3 said:

From the Sylvers Message Board.

The Sylvers episode of Unsung will air August 1st, 2011; check your local listings for the time in your areas.

Thanks!! that's tonight. Can't wait to see it!!