meh. Hip hop promotes the use of this word.

Garbage in. Garbage out. Who should be shocked?

Dumbass rappers can't record 10 seconds of music without repeating the racial slur, as if they're instilling pride. Now that I think about it, I can't think of any other race that has stooped low enough to fully embrace a slur against itself. It boggles the mind.

Identity said:

Dumbass rappers can't record 10 seconds of music without repeating the racial slur, as if they're instilling pride. Now that I think about it, I can't think of any other race that has stooped low enough to fully embrace a slur against itself. It boggles the mind.

As I mentioned before, many blacks called each other this (and other terms as well) long before hip hop. That's just the lingo. If someone grew up hearing parents, grandparents, other relatives, and people in their environment using it, then they think it's normal and nothing wrong with it.

Go to 6:14 of this clip:

1:45

MickyDolenz said:

As I mentioned before, many blacks called each other this (and other terms as well) long before hip hop. That's just the lingo. If someone grew up hearing parents, grandparents, other relatives, and people in their environment using it, then they think it's normal and nothing wrong with it.

I'm hip to that. But who are we kidding? Let a non-Black person go there. This we can agree on: in a nanosecond the NAACP and the Urban League would demand no less than their heads on a pike.

Identity said:

MickyDolenz said:

As I mentioned before, many blacks called each other this (and other terms as well) long before hip hop. That's just the lingo. If someone grew up hearing parents, grandparents, other relatives, and people in their environment using it, then they think it's normal and nothing wrong with it.

I'm hip to that. But who are we kidding? Let a non-Black person go there. This we can agree on: in a nanosecond the NAACP and the Urban League would demand no less than their heads on a pike.

The NAACP was started by Jews, and so was Nation Of Islam (Wallace Fard).

Yeah, but you have failed thus far to explain why Blacks still want to use a racial epithet like N***** with impunity, but feigh outrage when other groups do the same.

MickyDolenz said:

Identity said:

I'm hip to that. But who are we kidding? Let a non-Black person go there. This we can agree on: in a nanosecond the NAACP and the Urban League would demand no less than their heads on a pike.

The NAACP was started by Jews, and so was Nation Of Islam (Wallace Fard).

Wasn't Mr.Fard a born muslim and from Afghanistan? Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Ah, so now we're going the racial insensitivity route, are we?

The younger generation is less sensitive about the N word because they have been less touched by its effects. Outright racism has been replaced by social exclusion but the stats on black success are worse than they were before "the new integration" of recent history. (Just because we have a black President, that doesn't speak on the status of blacks as a whole) It has been both a plus and minus but it has taken away blacks' collective power and that is why there is so much snide backtalk like "they say it so why can't everyone else", knowing full well the history of HATRED that it carries when whites use it. Just because whites have collectively decided to pretend that racism is dead doesn't mean it is. You can paint over the stripes of a tiger but its still a tiger. There is not, nor has there ever been a level playing field to base "equality" on in the U.S., so pretending "its all good" doesn't make it so.

A rapist doesn't get to define the extent of what rape is, nor do they get to decide if the victim is okay or not. So really, nobody wants to hear from white people, the majority, the benefactors of and the largest perpetrators of, when it comes to racism in the U.S.

Like I said, I wasn't personally offended by her usage of the word because 1. she's an idiot and 2. she's a big ol' pothead and when you mix the two, you can't expect much in the way of mental activity. She may or may not know any better but she should certainly not be the basis for which people lay the ground rules. There is way too much room for malicious misuse and abuse. Context is key.

Snoop is feelin' her...he may have something to do with her getting signed.

Anyway. I live and teach in Oakland. Kreayshawn used to go to an alternative high school down town. Some folks I know who taught her, and students who remember her say that she has always been the way she is...maybe not so much "swag coming out her ovaries", but some...

Its true in Oakland amongst youth of all ethnicities and backgrounds, the word "nigga" is used freely and usually as a term of endearment...close friends...

I agree that it should not be used, by anyone! I think that we need to keep history in mind and educate the youth about the roots of this word in a way that they come to their own conclusion about why they don't want to perpetuate something so hateful and ignorant.

I don't think Kreayshawn is dumb, I think she is actually very smart. She saw a niche and she's got the balls to go on ahead with it...It's not great music, but she will sell....and Snoop see's the dollar signs as well as the CEO's. She's going to make a lot of money, bottom line. The cold hard truth is that she doesn't need to be held accountable to the community just like every other whack rapper out there.

Don't get me started on the degradation of women in rap....

Identity said:

Dumbass rappers can't record 10 seconds of music without repeating the racial slur, as if they're instilling pride. Now that I think about it, I can't think of any other race that has stooped low enough to fully embrace a slur against itself. It boggles the mind.

I'm sure when used in a variety of different ways it takes on an almost ambient quality in rap and street talk. I would think it works in much the same way as Brits can use the word "cunt" without sounding mysogynistic. It's how, and by whom, the word is weilded that decides its mode of expression.

im from the bay area and I met Kreayshawn a few times.. she's a real humble chick.. She's definetly hood, that's for sure. It's not an act at all. It's definetly not forced. She doesnt try too hard to project that she's hood.

Her little sister on the other hand.. tries WAYY too hard.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...e-Y8Bu9YfA

MickyDolenz said:

Identity said:

I'm hip to that. But who are we kidding? Let a non-Black person go there. This we can agree on: in a nanosecond the NAACP and the Urban League would demand no less than their heads on a pike.

The NAACP was started by Jews, and so was Nation Of Islam (Wallace Fard).

I've always knew that Wallace Fard was a former JW. But I had no idea that he was also an Ashkenazi Jew. I must research this at a later date.

BlaqueKnight said:

Ah, so now we're going the racial insensitivity route, are we?

The younger generation is less sensitive about the N word because they have been less touched by its effects. Outright racism has been replaced by social exclusion but the stats on black success are worse than they were before "the new integration" of recent history. (Just because we have a black President, that doesn't speak on the status of blacks as a whole) It has been both a plus and minus but it has taken away blacks' collective power and that is why there is so much snide backtalk like "they say it so why can't everyone else", knowing full well the history of HATRED that it carries when whites use it. Just because whites have collectively decided to pretend that racism is dead doesn't mean it is. You can paint over the stripes of a tiger but its still a tiger. There is not, nor has there ever been a level playing field to base "equality" on in the U.S., so pretending "its all good" doesn't make it so.

A rapist doesn't get to define the extent of what rape is, nor do they get to decide if the victim is okay or not. So really, nobody wants to hear from white people, the majority, the benefactors of and the largest perpetrators of, when it comes to racism in the U.S.

Like I said, I wasn't personally offended by her usage of the word because 1. she's an idiot and 2. she's a big ol' pothead and when you mix the two, you can't expect much in the way of mental activity. She may or may not know any better but she should certainly not be the basis for which people lay the ground rules. There is way too much room for malicious misuse and abuse. Context is key.

She's a dumb little young white bitch that doesn't realize the power of the word because she's never had it used on her in a way that she had to fear for her personal safety. The word has a lot of power and she sees it as just a word because she hears her black friends using it on each other and she thinks she's given a pass because she's "down with them". But if she's ever approached alone by a group of rednecks calling her a "nigger lover" and wonders if they are going to gang up and beat her ass, she'll see what power the word has. She's apparently never been put in that type of situation because if she had been, she'd know better.

Hopefully, since she's okay with using it, she'll be okay when she gets her ass whooped

vainandy said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Ah, so now we're going the racial insensitivity route, are we?

The younger generation is less sensitive about the N word because they have been less touched by its effects. Outright racism has been replaced by social exclusion but the stats on black success are worse than they were before "the new integration" of recent history. (Just because we have a black President, that doesn't speak on the status of blacks as a whole) It has been both a plus and minus but it has taken away blacks' collective power and that is why there is so much snide backtalk like "they say it so why can't everyone else", knowing full well the history of HATRED that it carries when whites use it. Just because whites have collectively decided to pretend that racism is dead doesn't mean it is. You can paint over the stripes of a tiger but its still a tiger. There is not, nor has there ever been a level playing field to base "equality" on in the U.S., so pretending "its all good" doesn't make it so.

A rapist doesn't get to define the extent of what rape is, nor do they get to decide if the victim is okay or not. So really, nobody wants to hear from white people, the majority, the benefactors of and the largest perpetrators of, when it comes to racism in the U.S.

Like I said, I wasn't personally offended by her usage of the word because 1. she's an idiot and 2. she's a big ol' pothead and when you mix the two, you can't expect much in the way of mental activity. She may or may not know any better but she should certainly not be the basis for which people lay the ground rules. There is way too much room for malicious misuse and abuse. Context is key.

She's a dumb little young white bitch that doesn't realize the power of the word because she's never had it used on her in a way that she had to fear for her personal safety. The word has a lot of power and she sees it as just a word because she hears her black friends using it on each other and she thinks she's given a pass because she's "down with them". But if she's ever approached alone by a group of rednecks calling her a "nigger lover" and wonders if they are going to gang up and beat her ass, she'll see what power the word has. She's apparently never been put in that type of situation because if she had been, she'd know better.

I agree with most of your post and BK's, and you're both right on point. Some folks don't understand the power of the word. Those who are aware and hear it spewed from the mouth of any individual in public, will always hear it with only one spelling and one meaning. Just because people claim they hear rappers and some, not all, Black people using the term amongst themselves, does not give the ok for anyone outside that group to think it's ok to use it publically. I don't like it when I hear Black youth or adults use it. I don't care if they are using it as a so-called bs term of endearment, as an excuse to use it.

Although this girl may say it among her friends who know her, doesn't make it alright when she comes out and spews it publically. I think the poorest excuse and justification for its use is when someone states "Well some Black people, rappers/those in hip-hop use it, blah, blah". That's not an acceptable reason/excuse/justification for it to be used. Some folks seem to want to give it a pass and diminish its meaning, and compare it to some Blacks/rappers who use it, to justify their own reason to want to use it. The history behind the term regardless how many different ways you spell it or put cake on top of it will always remain the same

I dare her to go into a random, black-populated community alone and use that term, and just see how well she'll be embraced, because not everyone will understand "Where she's coming from" or where she grew up, which is still no reason/excuse or a pass to use it. Same as a Black person going into a Jewish community and suddenly yelling out a racist slur to people in that community-not acceptable. People forget, just because "you can," doesn't always mean "you should." Some people put themselves at harm when they think they can just spew any offensive term to others outside their group. A little common sense goes a long way. People need to stop making excuses for offensive terms, that's the bottom line.

[Edited 6/15/11 6:27am]

Identity said:

Dumbass rappers can't record 10 seconds of music without repeating the racial slur, as if they're instilling pride. Now that I think about it, I can't think of any other race that has stooped low enough to fully embrace a slur against itself. It boggles the mind.

It certainly does..........Common, Outkast and others use it on damn near every song as well.

Graycap23 said:

Identity said:

Dumbass rappers can't record 10 seconds of music without repeating the racial slur, as if they're instilling pride. Now that I think about it, I can't think of any other race that has stooped low enough to fully embrace a slur against itself. It boggles the mind.

It certainly does..........Common, Outkast and others use it on damn near every song as well.

Not so much the word "n***er" as much as rap artists in general are using the word "n***a" even till this very day.

And I still say we all need to blame N***az Wit Attitudes (NWA) for help lowering the shock value of both N-words. And I also say we all need to put the bigger blame on record label execs (especially Jerry Heller, Lyor Cohan, & Jimmy Iovine) for being too comfortable with making a profit off of recording artists of any genre that used both N-words over the years.

Pressure said:

im from the bay area and I met Kreayshawn a few times.. she's a real humble chick.. She's definetly hood, that's for sure. It's not an act at all. It's definetly not forced. She doesnt try too hard to project that she's hood.

Her little sister on the other hand.. tries WAYY too hard.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...e-Y8Bu9YfA

THEN GUESS WHAT???? that means that girl is FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that is how she choose to be, I bet if you met her parents they are NOTHING like that.

If someone is ghetto, and has ghetto parents its cause they were raised that way.

If someone is ghetto, and parents are proper, its cause they are FAKE.

BlaqueKnight said:

Ah, so now we're going the racial insensitivity route, are we?

The younger generation is less sensitive about the N word because they have been less touched by its effects. Outright racism has been replaced by social exclusion but the stats on black success are worse than they were before "the new integration" of recent history. (Just because we have a black President, that doesn't speak on the status of blacks as a whole) It has been both a plus and minus but it has taken away blacks' collective power and that is why there is so much snide backtalk like "they say it so why can't everyone else", knowing full well the history of HATRED that it carries when whites use it. Just because whites have collectively decided to pretend that racism is dead doesn't mean it is. You can paint over the stripes of a tiger but its still a tiger. There is not, nor has there ever been a level playing field to base "equality" on in the U.S., so pretending "its all good" doesn't make it so.

A rapist doesn't get to define the extent of what rape is, nor do they get to decide if the victim is okay or not. So really, nobody wants to hear from white people, the majority, the benefactors of and the largest perpetrators of, when it comes to racism in the U.S.

Like I said, I wasn't personally offended by her usage of the word because 1. she's an idiot and 2. she's a big ol' pothead and when you mix the two, you can't expect much in the way of mental activity. She may or may not know any better but she should certainly not be the basis for which people lay the ground rules. There is way too much room for malicious misuse and abuse. Context is key.

why would a white or someone who is not black want to use that word anyways. Even if I heard jews using their own racial slurs towards each other, which I know italians do that, I would Not feel comfortable using racial slurs towards another group of people.

And i think anyone who feels comfortable doing that, probably is hiding behind a mask.

The girl is using N**gA but let her get angry with a black person and she will quickly be saying N**gER.

Now blacks have to deal with the EEO. and they can discriminate against blacks even before the interview. OBAMA NEEDS to eliminate that.

anyways at the end of the day, i hope she rolls up to the wrong person and get her a$$ beat

Bullshit, it's all about context. It's all about self esteem, black people taking the word back to show that is prideful, especially when you see the people who use the word. Some KKK dude with no teeth and little brains using that word is more ironic than anything, when he should look in the mirror and see that he's more of a nigger than the black person.

Ice-t says it best;

Patti Smith was being artistic. She's no racist.

She even performed the song in front of Al Sharpton and he said nothing about it.

And, Militant, it doesn't matter if you are mixed, you look white. That's all this society cares about.

Another irony is that most uncle toms are dark skinned.

2freaky4church1 said:

Bullshit, it's all about context.

Has nothing 2 do with context.......unless that context is IGNORANCE.

TonyVanDam said:

Graycap23 said:

It certainly does..........Common, Outkast and others use it on damn near every song as well.

Not so much the word "n***er" as much as rap artists in general are using the word "n***a" even till this very day.

And I still say we all need to blame N***az Wit Attitudes (NWA) for help lowering the shock value of both N-words. And I also say we all need to put the bigger blame on record label execs (especially Jerry Heller, Lyor Cohan, & Jimmy Iovine) for being too comfortable with making a profit off of recording artists of any genre that used both N-words over the years.

Doesn't matter which way you spell it, all are a branch off the same term.

[Edited 6/15/11 13:19pm]

TotalAlisa said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Ah, so now we're going the racial insensitivity route, are we?

The younger generation is less sensitive about the N word because they have been less touched by its effects. Outright racism has been replaced by social exclusion but the stats on black success are worse than they were before "the new integration" of recent history. (Just because we have a black President, that doesn't speak on the status of blacks as a whole) It has been both a plus and minus but it has taken away blacks' collective power and that is why there is so much snide backtalk like "they say it so why can't everyone else", knowing full well the history of HATRED that it carries when whites use it. Just because whites have collectively decided to pretend that racism is dead doesn't mean it is. You can paint over the stripes of a tiger but its still a tiger. There is not, nor has there ever been a level playing field to base "equality" on in the U.S., so pretending "its all good" doesn't make it so.

A rapist doesn't get to define the extent of what rape is, nor do they get to decide if the victim is okay or not. So really, nobody wants to hear from white people, the majority, the benefactors of and the largest perpetrators of, when it comes to racism in the U.S.

Like I said, I wasn't personally offended by her usage of the word because 1. she's an idiot and 2. she's a big ol' pothead and when you mix the two, you can't expect much in the way of mental activity. She may or may not know any better but she should certainly not be the basis for which people lay the ground rules. There is way too much room for malicious misuse and abuse. Context is key.

why would a white or someone who is not black want to use that word anyways. Even if I heard jews using their own racial slurs towards each other, which I know italians do that, I would Not feel comfortable using racial slurs towards another group of people.

And i think anyone who feels comfortable doing that, probably is hiding behind a mask.

The girl is using N**gA but let her get angry with a black person and she will quickly be saying N**gER.

Now blacks have to deal with the EEO. and they can discriminate against blacks even before the interview. OBAMA NEEDS to eliminate that.

anyways at the end of the day, i hope she rolls up to the wrong person and get her a$$ beat

(Bolded part) True, that's what some of us are saying. Also, it's not just some Blacks using certain slurs at comfort, it's basically all groups doing it, when it comes to specific, offensive terms that are commonly used within a group. It's a people issue, not limited to any one group, but since this topic is centered around the use of the "n" word, I do get your point completely.

2freaky4church1 said:

Bullshit, it's all about context. It's all about self esteem, black people taking the word back to show that is prideful, especially when you see the people who use the word. Some KKK dude with no teeth and little brains using that word is more ironic than anything, when he should look in the mirror and see that he's more of a nigger than the black person.

Ice-t says it best;

Patti Smith was being artistic. She's no racist.

She even performed the song in front of Al Sharpton and he said nothing about it.

And, Militant, it doesn't matter if you are mixed, you look white. That's all this society cares about.

Another irony is that most uncle toms are dark skinned.

(Bolded part) Uhm...no they're not, an Uncle Tom for many, can be defined in several ways. Some may be described as one who would step on or degrade/belitte members of his/her own group, in order to be accepted by members of the majority/and others outside his/her racial/ethnic group. Some may hold some form of self-hatred and shame about their own group. Some distance themselves from members of their own communities, and have no interest in any existing societal ills or interest in the progress/growth/future of members within that community, as a whole. Another example is one who has the personality of the character Butterfly McQueen played in "Gone With The Wind".

You will find many types of Uncle Toms, who praise those outside their racial group, put them on pedestals, but degrade or try to distance themselves from members of their own group.

It is not measured by the shade of an African-American's skin tone, it has more to do with the individual's personal and psychological views and life experiences among members of their own group, as well as how they relate to/view them, on a social/political/educational/economic/spiritual level.

Also, don't get the definition of an 'Uncle Tom' confused with one being an educated, Black person who is on a high-economic level. Too often many use that description to define an Uncle Tom, including some Black Americans, which is often misleading.

[Edited 6/15/11 18:27pm]

2elijah said:

TonyVanDam said:

Not so much the word "n***er" as much as rap artists in general are using the word "n***a" even till this very day.

And I still say we all need to blame N***az Wit Attitudes (NWA) for help lowering the shock value of both N-words. And I also say we all need to put the bigger blame on record label execs (especially Jerry Heller, Lyor Cohan, & Jimmy Iovine) for being too comfortable with making a profit off of recording artists of any genre that used both N-words over the years.

Doesn't matter which way you spell it, all are a branch off the same term.

[Edited 6/15/11 13:19pm]

Exactly.

2freaky4church1 said:

Bullshit, it's all about context. It's all about self esteem, black people taking the word back to show that is prideful, especially when you see the people who use the word. Some KKK dude with no teeth and little brains using that word is more ironic than anything, when he should look in the mirror and see that he's more of a nigger than the black person.

Ice-t says it best;

Patti Smith was being artistic. She's no racist.

She even performed the song in front of Al Sharpton and he said nothing about it.

And, Militant, it doesn't matter if you are mixed, you look white. That's all this society cares about.

Another irony is that most uncle toms are dark skinned.

Public Enemy has 2 responds:

Not every black person think that the N-words are cool.

Just saying.

2freaky4church1 said:

Bullshit, it's all about context. It's all about self esteem, black people taking the word back to show that is prideful, especially when you see the people who use the word. Some KKK dude with no teeth and little brains using that word is more ironic than anything, when he should look in the mirror and see that he's more of a nigger than the black person.

Ice-t says it best;

Patti Smith was being artistic. She's no racist.

She even performed the song in front of Al Sharpton and he said nothing about it.

And, Militant, it doesn't matter if you are mixed, you look white. That's all this society cares about.

Another irony is that most uncle toms are dark skinned.

@ Militant looking white

Militant said:

Words are just words. It's the intent that's a problem. Is she intentionally trying to hurt or upset anyone? Obviously not. So it's just a word like any other.

Gotta move past all that other shit.

I betcha if a black person called a white guy "devil", the white person would get upset.

PoppyBros said:

Militant said:

Words are just words.

I betcha if a black person called a white guy "devil", the white person would get upset.

Words can get u KILLED.

bboy87 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Bullshit, it's all about context. It's all about self esteem, black people taking the word back to show that is prideful, especially when you see the people who use the word. Some KKK dude with no teeth and little brains using that word is more ironic than anything, when he should look in the mirror and see that he's more of a nigger than the black person.

Ice-t says it best;

Patti Smith was being artistic. She's no racist.

She even performed the song in front of Al Sharpton and he said nothing about it.

And, Militant, it doesn't matter if you are mixed, you look white. That's all this society cares about.

Another irony is that most uncle toms are dark skinned.

@ Militant looking white

I was about to reply, shit that's news to me. I guess Prince looks white too cos we have the same skin tone.

I can tell you that I didn't look white enough to the kids that called ME nigger, paki, arab, coon, niggerlips etc etc etc growing up. I can tell you that cats on the public transport in London after the bombings looked at me like a terrorist, I guess I didn't look white enough for them either.

I can tell you I didn't look white enough to the cops EVERY TIME I hung out with my white friends and I'd ALWAYS be the one singled out for a patdown/investigation.

I'm pretty damn certain I wouldn't have to deal with HALF the shit I've had to in my life if I "looked white". Shit, I even got told to "get your ass back to Africa" a couple times. I bust out laughing and said "wrong fucking continent, douche" both times.

Anyway, this ain't about me lol.