Many people have said she's very light skinned in person and had to tan in the early Destiny's Child days to "fit in" And lots of people with dark skin have blonde hair that are not trying to be white, though another colour would be a real nice change.

someone on here, Im NOT going to name call, try to act like black women hate on beyonce.

Guess what, I went to a predominantly black forum, and then a predominately white forum.

And the black forum filled with black women, majority LOVED THE ALBUM.

The white forum, they said the album was bland, boring, hated it and said it was a snooze fest.

Black women are her biggest supporters contrary to the lies people make. Someone makes one damn article and people regurgitate it like its the absolute truth.

TotalAlisa said:

someone on here, Im NOT going to name call, try to act like black women hate on beyonce.

Guess what, I went to a predominantly black forum, and then a predominately white forum.

And the black forum filled with black women, majority LOVED THE ALBUM.

The white forum, they said the album was bland, boring, hated it and said it was a snooze fest.

Black women are her biggest supporters contrary to the lies people make. Someone makes one damn article and people regurgitate it like its the absolute truth.

GREAT POST!!!!

See its IRONY here and one of the reasons why she will never be a legend. Her MUSIC does NOT have GLOBAL APPEAL and it ONLY caters to ONE demographic primarily. She had international commercial success with that Single Ladies MUSIC video which is ironic because the song itself wasnt good and didnt do as well. However, her music does not represent different colors, shapes, and backgrounds.

I am sooooooo tired of hearing this because this is very laughable. MOST of her fans are BLACK WOMAN. Her fanbase for the most part isnt whites, asians etc. I am not saying she doesnt have ANY fans from other races BUT for the most part thats the demographic she caters to and who are her fans. Not ONLY that it caters to a specific AGE RANGE...

I tried talking to my grandparents about what they thought of Beyonce and they didnt even know who she was LOL

I told my 57 year old father if he thought Beyonce was an Icon/legend and he LAUGHED LOL bet he would laugh when he comes from an era of legendary entertainers, MJ, Sammy Davis, James Brown, etc.. He dont follow or care to follow mainstream because its all garbage and doesnt hold a candle to the classics.

The average 40's or even 50's and older doesnt listen to her as well as the average person in general if their not a teenager or like in their early 20's. I'm 19 and listen to my parents music and thats primarily now the new thing teenagers and young people do because music has gotten so bad now and the radio is dead. Now people are going out and searching for music that THEY like more than ever. They dont listen to the radio like they use to all that media bull its just hype... Them numbers and configuration when in real reality Disc Jockeys get paid to stick to a specific rotation.. its all scam.

Ive gone on other music forums and its not even a Beyonce thread LOL Just goes to show you her relevance to music and what she is just mostly considered which is just a pop figure.I dunno why people really think EVERYONE feeds into that media hype. People dont seriously engage in stimulating conversation about her music, its garbage. I barely even see pop music even being talked about on some forums and if it is I kid you not I am not saying this because I am a fan most of the time its Michael Jackson which comes to no surprise.

Thats why I cant just sit back and allow people to make outlandish comments. I mean I think everyone once again will admit Beyonce is good for right now(even though she doesnt impress me) BUT to call her a legend? To say what she is doing is groundbreaking? To call her an innovative as well as creative artist? Thats overrating her WAY to much LOL

The last real legend past June 25, 2009 and I dont see anymore legends in the future AT LEAST from this gene pool of pop stars from this generation. Nothing is NEW, everything is copied and they all havent put out one solid classic.

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TotalAlisa said:

Guess what, I went to a predominantly black forum, and then a predominately white forum.

And the black forum filled with black women, majority LOVED THE ALBUM.

The white forum, they said the album was bland, boring, hated it and said it was a snooze fest.

I feel kinda bad about such statements, because I, too, frequent a predominantly white music forum and most of them don't even really consider Beyonce worth discussing besides the fact that they they think she's bangable. It's not that her music in particular isn't really considered to be music that's worth discussing or considered significant, it's r&b in general. Unless it's rap, jazz, or really, really old soul/funk music, they don't like to give it the time of day, because otherwise they consider it to be shit.

I think that this is the kind of stigma that is comes with black music, especially contemporary black music or r&b. Why is that? Especially since r&b is some of the oldest music in America. It's seen as "plebian music" or something rather than something that can be seen as actual art.

Unholyalliance said:

TotalAlisa said:

Guess what, I went to a predominantly black forum, and then a predominately white forum.

And the black forum filled with black women, majority LOVED THE ALBUM.

The white forum, they said the album was bland, boring, hated it and said it was a snooze fest.

I feel kinda bad about such statements, because I, too, frequent a predominantly white music forum and most of them don't even really consider Beyonce worth discussing besides the fact that they they think she's bangable. It's not that her music in particular isn't really considered to be music that's worth discussing or considered significant, it's r&b in general. Unless it's rap, jazz, or really, really old soul/funk music, they don't like to give it the time of day, because otherwise they consider it to be shit.

I think that this is the kind of stigma that is comes with black music, especially contemporary black music or r&b. Why is that? Especially since r&b is some of the oldest music in America. It's seen as "plebian music" or something rather than something that can be seen as actual art.

Thats not true for ALL of them because the same can be said about alot of black music forums which I personally feel is more biased than whites to alot of genres.

Because Ive gone on white music forums and they DO listen to black artists they are not current the most current is Michael like I said but for the most part they listen to Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Ottis Redding, Michael Jackson, Jimi Hendrix and countless others or get into discussions about Chuck Berry and Sammy Davis... They talk about Mile Davis as well Ive gone on PLENTY and they Do talk about black artists in fair light as well as objective. At the end of the day it all balls down to the MUSIC. If I have heard any mention of Beyonce on any of these sites its the mention of her being a product and how overrated she is. You have to realize these sites are musically conscience sites. Its not going to matter if the artist is black, orange hell they can even be white. I see some white forums talk about Brittany Spears and Gaga like a dog objectively. So there not going to be big talk about pop stars or music unlike a site like this which isnt really musically conscience and mostly into pop culture and gossip. It doesnt matter what race, size, gender etc. If you put out good music people will discuss but obviously for the most part popular artists put out generic music to sell.

Seriously, what stimulating analysis on a song like Girls(Who Run the World) would a music conscience listener would be interested in discussing? These aren't 12 year olds? LOL They want to talk about REAL MUSIC.

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mjscarousal said:

Because Ive gone on white music forums and they DO listen to black artists they are not current the most current is Michael like I said but for the most part they listen to Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Ottis Redding, Michael Jackson, Jimi Hendrix and countless others or get into discussions about Chuck Berry and Sammy Davis... They talk about Mile Davis

Stevie Wonder, Marvin gaye, Otis Redding = old soul/funk

Miles Davis = jazz

Jimi Hendrix = Blues/Rock

Sammy Davis = old r&b

Michael Jackson = old pop/soul/funk, biggest/most famous black artist ever

This is basically what I just said.

Unholyalliance said:

mjscarousal said:

Because Ive gone on white music forums and they DO listen to black artists they are not current the most current is Michael like I said but for the most part they listen to Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Ottis Redding, Michael Jackson, Jimi Hendrix and countless others or get into discussions about Chuck Berry and Sammy Davis... They talk about Mile Davis

Stevie Wonder, Marvin gaye, Otis Redding = old soul/funk

Miles Davis = jazz

Jimi Hendrix = Blues/Rock

Sammy Davis = old r&b

Michael Jackson = old pop/soul/funk, biggest/most famous black artist ever

This is basically what I just said.

ugh.. this damn font lol You implied that their not open minded to black music in general and like I said earlier primarily the current pop music scene that is categorize as r&b is not technically r&b.. its pop and that really isnt an interest on those sites. Beyonce, Chris Brown, Usher, Rihanna is not going to be discussed on those sites if they are they going to get objectively bashed.. they technically dont sing R&B but pop.

Michael was technically an r&b singer thats his roots, as well as Marvin Gaye a soul r&B artist..

Ive heard them discuss Whitney Houston vocally... Erykah Badu... Leona Lewis etc they talk about current r&b and up and coming artists as well as well as other genres.. blues, reggae etc. The only arguement I was making was that they do discuss black artists

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mjscarousal said:

ugh.. this damn font lol You implied that their not open minded to black music in general and like I said earlier primarily the current pop music scene that is categorize as r&b is not technically r&b.. its pop and that really isnt an interest on those sites. Beyonce, Chris Brown, Usher, Rihanna is not going to be discussed on those sites if they are they going to get objectively bashed.. they technically dont sing R&B but pop.

Michael was technically an r&b singer thats his roots, as well as Marvin Gaye a soul r&B artist..

Ive heard them discuss Whitney Houston vocally... Erykah Badu... Leona Lewis etc they talk about current r&b and up and coming artists as well as well as other genres.. blues, reggae etc. The only arguement I was making was that they do discuss black artists

[Edited 6/17/11 7:36am]

I've said this once and I'll say it again, but r&b is a LOT of things, but r&b and pop have ALWAYS had a close relationship with one another. At one point r&b was eliminated from Billboard, because there was so many crossover acts who made an appearance on both the r&b and pop charts. Even if a lot of people don't like Rhianna, Chris Brown, and etc. they are still r&b artists. Artists such as Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, and etc., at one point, did pop music. It gets categorized now since the music is old, but it was still pop music at one point in time. Even Michael Jackson, he may have started out on the chitlin' circuit, but he was doing POP music when he came out with Motown. What's more is that it was bubblegum pop. There are subgenres to r&b though and many styles that have been born from it. Yet, the r&b charts have always reflected the next big move in the pop music scene. Once it ends up in the mainstream, it's then discarded for something new.

Though, when I was making my statement, I was telling you what was relevant for the other music froum I go to. I wasn't making a general statement about all of them. The one that I go to sounds a lot different from yours. The one I attend is pretty big, but the majority of the demographic are white males that range from the ages of 18-23 that live in the US. The other biggest demographic seem to be from Australia and the UK. It depends on what time of the day it is.

Either way, that is their main attitude towards black/r&b/pop music. Anytime someone even mentions anything about artists like Mariah Carey or Whitney Houston, on that board, they are seen as shit and no one likes to talk to about them as they don't see it as 'real music', that is unless you get the occasional stan battke. Otherwise that line of thought falls into that kind of shit that Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, NME, and etc. promotes.

Unholyalliance said:

mjscarousal said:

ugh.. this damn font lol You implied that their not open minded to black music in general and like I said earlier primarily the current pop music scene that is categorize as r&b is not technically r&b.. its pop and that really isnt an interest on those sites. Beyonce, Chris Brown, Usher, Rihanna is not going to be discussed on those sites if they are they going to get objectively bashed.. they technically dont sing R&B but pop.

Michael was technically an r&b singer thats his roots, as well as Marvin Gaye a soul r&B artist..

Ive heard them discuss Whitney Houston vocally... Erykah Badu... Leona Lewis etc they talk about current r&b and up and coming artists as well as well as other genres.. blues, reggae etc. The only arguement I was making was that they do discuss black artists

[Edited 6/17/11 7:36am]

I've said this once and I'll say it again, but r&b is a LOT of things, but r&b and pop have ALWAYS had a close relationship with one another. At one point r&b was eliminated from Billboard, because there was so many crossover acts who made an appearance on both the r&b and pop charts. Even if a lot of people don't like Rhianna, Chris Brown, and etc. they are still r&b artists. Artists such as Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, and etc., at one point, did pop music. It gets categorized now since the music is old, but it was still pop music at one point in time. Even Michael Jackson, he may have started out on the chitlin' circuit, but he was doing POP music when he came out with Motown. What's more is that it was bubblegum pop. There are subgenres to r&b though and many styles that have been born from it. Yet, the r&b charts have always reflected the next big move in the pop music scene. Once it ends up in the mainstream, it's then discarded for something new.

Though, when I was making my statement, I was telling you what was relevant for the other music froum I go to. I wasn't making a general statement about all of them. The one that I go to sounds a lot different from yours. The one I attend is pretty big, but the majority of the demographic are white males that range from the ages of 18-23 that live in the US. The other biggest demographic seem to be from Australia and the UK. It depends on what time of the day it is.

Either way, that is their main attitude towards black/r&b/pop music. Anytime someone even mentions anything about artists like Mariah Carey or Whitney Houston, on that board, they are seen as shit and no one likes to talk to about them as they don't see it as 'real music', that is unless you get the occasional stan battke. Otherwise that line of thought falls into that kind of shit that Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, NME, and etc. promotes.

What you are saying is true. ALL those great singers were commerically successful during their time but what you are not understanding is the music industry as well as the music was different. A popular Marvin Gaye song during the 70's is quite different from lets say an Usher song now because while it was popular it was STILL R&B and it didnt have a motive behind it. It was good music not generic music just to sell which distinguishes POP from R&B.

Pop isnt a musical genre its just anything with mass appeal but in todays industry the mainstream music now seems to be heavily geared towards just that and marketing not so much about the music The industry is different in 2011 which is why people on the board you speak of dont take it seriously and I honestly dont blame them.

However, it is good to be open minded but seriously their thoughts is well understandable. I wouldnt want to discuss pop stars on a forum that is mostly geared to promoting other singers and acts as well. There are plenty of forums and websites dedicated to pop singers on a regular basis and some people just want to have a place where they can discuss OTHER music and there is nothing wrong with that. Maybe some of them can be more rational though. Sometimes you have to just be mindful of the board you go to and accept the atmosphere. Like for example here, I accept this isnt really a conscience forum while their are some music conscience members here primarily the entire board does not run like that. So really what you are saying can go both ways.

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mjscarousal said:

What you are saying is true. ALL those great singers were commerically successful during their time but what you are not understanding is the music industry as well as the music was different. A popular Marvin Gaye song during the 70's is quite different from lets say an Usher song now because while it was popular it was STILL R&B and it didnt have a motive behind it. It was good music not generic music just to sell which distinguishes POP from R&B.

I don't get it. How does Marvin Gaye's 'Got To Give It Up' serve any different purpose than Usher's 'OMG'????!!?!?! One song was following the disco trend and the other is following the current music trend as well. Either way, both were meant to be danced to at a club. Is it only because Marvin Gaye sang it?

mjscarousal said:

Pop isnt a musical genre its just anything with mass appeal but in todays industry the mainstream music now seems to be heavily geared towards just that and marketing not so much about the music The industry is different in 2011 which is why people on the board you speak of dont take it seriously and I honestly dont blame them.

But marketing has always existed in music, I mean...if it hasn't how would the industry have gotten as big as it has? It couldn't have just been today that people figured out that if you market music to teenagers and women that it will sell. Either way, popular music does cover modern music and pop music isn't really a genre, but there are trends that become popular with the public at a certain time. Then they die out and new ones are born.

mjscarousal said:

However, it is good to be open minded but seriously their thoughts is well understandable. I wouldnt want to discuss pop stars on a forum that is mostly geared to promoting other singers and acts as well. There are plenty of forums and websites dedicated to pop singers on a regular basis and some people just want to have a place where they can discuss OTHER music and there is nothing wrong with that. Maybe some of them can be more rational though. Sometimes you have to just be mindful of the board you go to and accept the atmosphere. Like for example here, I accept this isnt really a conscience forum while their are some music conscience members here primarily the entire board does not run like that. So really what you are saying can go both ways.

I more than understand that, but I'm just telling you how they, generally, view r&b and black artists save for the few exceptions over at the one I go to. The thing is that the people in those demographics live on to become music critics, thereby canonizing music history for everyone else. Like, I'm more likely to get a better discussion on MJ than I am Prince there. Even if I do talk about Prince you will rarely hear about anything past Purple Rain, except for maybe about SOTT. That's it. It's also a general music forum so it's not as if I'm going to a black melodic metal board either.

Unholyalliance said:

mjscarousal said:

ugh.. this damn font lol You implied that their not open minded to black music in general and like I said earlier primarily the current pop music scene that is categorize as r&b is not technically r&b.. its pop and that really isnt an interest on those sites. Beyonce, Chris Brown, Usher, Rihanna is not going to be discussed on those sites if they are they going to get objectively bashed.. they technically dont sing R&B but pop.

Michael was technically an r&b singer thats his roots, as well as Marvin Gaye a soul r&B artist..

Ive heard them discuss Whitney Houston vocally... Erykah Badu... Leona Lewis etc they talk about current r&b and up and coming artists as well as well as other genres.. blues, reggae etc. The only arguement I was making was that they do discuss black artists

[Edited 6/17/11 7:36am]

I've said this once and I'll say it again, but r&b is a LOT of things, but r&b and pop have ALWAYS had a close relationship with one another. At one point r&b was eliminated from Billboard, because there was so many crossover acts who made an appearance on both the r&b and pop charts. Even if a lot of people don't like Rhianna, Chris Brown, and etc. they are still r&b artists. Artists such as Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, and etc., at one point, did pop music. It gets categorized now since the music is old, but it was still pop music at one point in time. Even Michael Jackson, he may have started out on the chitlin' circuit, but he was doing POP music when he came out with Motown. What's more is that it was bubblegum pop. There are subgenres to r&b though and many styles that have been born from it. Yet, the r&b charts have always reflected the next big move in the pop music scene. Once it ends up in the mainstream, it's then discarded for something new.

Though, when I was making my statement, I was telling you what was relevant for the other music froum I go to. I wasn't making a general statement about all of them. The one that I go to sounds a lot different from yours. The one I attend is pretty big, but the majority of the demographic are white males that range from the ages of 18-23 that live in the US. The other biggest demographic seem to be from Australia and the UK. It depends on what time of the day it is.

Either way, that is their main attitude towards black/r&b/pop music. Anytime someone even mentions anything about artists like Mariah Carey or Whitney Houston, on that board, they are seen as shit and no one likes to talk to about them as they don't see it as 'real music', that is unless you get the occasional stan battke. Otherwise that line of thought falls into that kind of shit that Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, NME, and etc. promotes.

A lot of the music coming out from this genre right now is pretty much shit I’m black but it doesn’t mean I have to listen at the moment. I do enjoy every genre in music I always try to expose myself to other things. Beyonce at one point was loved by white people I don’t know what happen now. Lol

Unholyalliance said:

mjscarousal said:

What you are saying is true. ALL those great singers were commerically successful during their time but what you are not understanding is the music industry as well as the music was different. A popular Marvin Gaye song during the 70's is quite different from lets say an Usher song now because while it was popular it was STILL R&B and it didnt have a motive behind it. It was good music not generic music just to sell which distinguishes POP from R&B.

I don't get it. How does Marvin Gaye's 'Got To Give It Up' serve any different purpose than Usher's 'OMG'????!!?!?! One song was following the disco trend and the other is following the current music trend as well. Either way, both were meant to be danced to at a club. Is it only because Marvin Gaye sang it?

But marketing has always existed in music, I mean...if it hasn't how would the industry have gotten as big as it has? It couldn't have just been today that people figured out that if you market music to teenagers and women that it will sell. Either way, popular music does cover modern music and pop music isn't really a genre, but there are trends that become popular with the public at a certain time. Then they die out and new ones are born.

mjscarousal said:

However, it is good to be open minded but seriously their thoughts is well understandable. I wouldnt want to discuss pop stars on a forum that is mostly geared to promoting other singers and acts as well. There are plenty of forums and websites dedicated to pop singers on a regular basis and some people just want to have a place where they can discuss OTHER music and there is nothing wrong with that. Maybe some of them can be more rational though. Sometimes you have to just be mindful of the board you go to and accept the atmosphere. Like for example here, I accept this isnt really a conscience forum while their are some music conscience members here primarily the entire board does not run like that. So really what you are saying can go both ways.

I more than understand that, but I'm just telling you how they, generally, view r&b and black artists save for the few exceptions over at the one I go to. The thing is that the people in those demographics live on to become music critics, thereby canonizing music history for everyone else. Like, I'm more likely to get a better discussion on MJ than I am Prince there. Even if I do talk about Prince you will rarely hear about anything past Purple Rain, except for maybe about SOTT. That's it. It's also a general music forum so it's not as if I'm going to a black melodic metal board either.

Because Got to Give It Up is a classic and OMG isnt LOL ... period. Some people simply just dont care to discuss it. Sure they might dance to it at a club hell I know I do but I dont care to have a serious music discussion on it and I wouldnt call it classic material neither and thats the difference. Marketing has always been apart of the music industry but maybe I'm not being clear.. the music now is based on image which is pushed through marketing tactics and the focus is NOT on the music not to mention the music is just bad for the most part not to say all of it is but most of it is.

I mean I am not disagreeing with anything u are saying but what you are not understanding is the industry today is completely different from how it use to be and while some of it may have similiar elements of the past the formula is different. Nowadays, you can get a record deal in 2 mins with mediocre talent but a good marketing squad to get you that hit and all I am simply saying is since this is a obvious truth people just simply dont care to talk about mainstream of 00's1... I know I dont.. its not worth discussing especially when there is OTHER BETTER music out there it doesnt necessarily have to be old school.

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gunner82 said:

ratchetchan said:

Each of these ridiculous topics can be written off by simply stating that most people whining about something that is mostly subjective being "overrated" really mean "I'm extremely saddened that a substantial amount of people like something I don't. PLEASE AGREE WITH ME!"

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You don't have to agree with anything I feel about this artist what so ever. That was never my point [these are just risk I take asking these questions ]. The whole "overrated" thing is ones matter of opinion . If I wanted you to agree with me, I probably would have went the opposite direction with this question due to her popularity. When someone becomes a big star, I often wonder what dirt they did to get there. If it was all about talent, The stars of today would be totally different....

I'm not saying that Beyonce is not an icon [the people have already made her that], but I often question why of all people she is one [just as I do with other artist] when musically, she takes no risk.

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babybugz said:

A lot of the music coming out from this genre right now is pretty much shit I’m black but it doesn’t mean I have to listen at the moment. I do enjoy every genre in music I always try to expose myself to other things. Beyonce at one point was loved by white people I don’t know what happen now. Lol

The attitude of r&b/pop being nothing, but mindless music not to be taken seriously and not art doesn't only plague new work, but the older stuff as well. For example, you will never hear of The Isley Brothers 3+3 spoken in the same manner as Led Zeppelin IV by critics, ever. Both albums are considered to be both group's best work as well. Why is that? Is it because 3+3 can't compare to IV artistically or is it because it never sold as much?!

mjscarousal said:

Because Got to Give It Up is a classic and OMG isnt LOL ... period.

No, I think it's just because one is old and the other is new. In the end, they are both dance tracks and meant to be danced to. Just because Marvin Gaye did one and Usher did the other doesn't really make a difference.

mjscarousal said:

I mean I am not disagreeing with anything u are saying but what you are not understanding is the industry today is completely different from how it use to be and while some of it may have similiar elements of the past the formula is different.

I understand that some things have changed as people have changed, but at the same time it doesn't seem to be that drastically different. When I look at musicians such as The Supremes, Elvis Presley, and the Beatles when they were a lot younger all I see are really attractive people who were selling music. It's not as if any of them were ugly. To me...that's still using an image to sell something. You really think that a bunch of people would have even bought anything from the The Supremes if they looked like a bunch of ugly dogs?

Nope.

Unholyalliance said:

I understand that some things have changed as people have changed, but at the same time it doesn't seem to be that drastically different. When I look at musicians such as The Supremes, Elvis Presley, and the Beatles when they were a lot younger all I see are really attractive people who were selling music. It's not as if any of them were ugly. To me...that's still using an image to sell something. You really think that a bunch of people would have even bought anything from the The Supremes if they looked like a bunch of ugly dogs?

Nope.

DING DONG.

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Unholyalliance said:

babybugz said:

A lot of the music coming out from this genre right now is pretty much shit I’m black but it doesn’t mean I have to listen at the moment. I do enjoy every genre in music I always try to expose myself to other things. Beyonce at one point was loved by white people I don’t know what happen now. Lol

The attitude of r&b/pop being nothing, but mindless music not to be taken seriously and not art doesn't only plague new work, but the older stuff as well. For example, you will never hear of The Isley Brothers 3+3 spoken in the same manner as Led Zeppelin IV by critics, ever. Both albums are considered to be both group's best work as well. Why is that? Is it because 3+3 can't compare to IV artistically or is it because it never sold as much?!

No, I think it's just because one is old and the other is new. In the end, they are both dance tracks and meant to be danced to. Just because Marvin Gaye did one and Usher did the other doesn't really make a difference.

mjscarousal said:

I mean I am not disagreeing with anything u are saying but what you are not understanding is the industry today is completely different from how it use to be and while some of it may have similiar elements of the past the formula is different.

I understand that some things have changed as people have changed, but at the same time it doesn't seem to be that drastically different. When I look at musicians such as The Supremes, Elvis Presley, and the Beatles when they were a lot younger all I see are really attractive people who were selling music. It's not as if any of them were ugly. To me...that's still using an image to sell something. You really think that a bunch of people would have even bought anything from the The Supremes if they looked like a bunch of ugly dogs?

Nope.

Great posts. Especially this: No, I think it's just because one is old and the other is new. In the end, they are both dance tracks and meant to be danced to. Just because Marvin Gaye did one and Usher did the other doesn't really make a difference.

It is beautiful to watch someone actually know their stuff and articulate it.