MelinaB said:

Can someone please explain to me why some people think Beyonce is trying to be as white as possible? Because, I dunno, it must be me but I don't see it.

contoring her nose, dying her hair platinum blond, lightning her skin whether with skin bleach, make up or special lighting.

its not that she is trying to be white, she is trying to LOOK white.

And she would look better with curly dark brown hair. It would make her skin glow instead of having a dirty grimy color to it.

Yes she is strategically trying to change her image to appeal to the white audience.

cbarnes3121 said:

i give her this she is a good singer but the best or all that she hypes herself up 2 b or what magazines state i dont see that in her i get more from jill scott or jennifer hudson.beyonce has painted herself 2 look as close 2 the white girl image as possible and i guess america buy in2 that look and they feel she is the it girl. i dont concier her a dancer she is so wild and untamed a dancer 2 me is janet jackson,aaliyah and mya. so simply put id say every overrated.

When compared to those 2... I do think that Beyonce tend to shake (her azz, hair etc) more so than DANCE.

TotalAlisa said:

gemari77 said:

I think I've already made it clear where I stand on Beyonce, and I refuse to argue back and forth on the internet about it (or anything else, for that matter)....

Speaking truthfully, I think she may be slightly overrated---as anyone is who receives massive amounts of adulation. No one can live up to that hype.

But, I think the people who constantly dog her and her skills are way off base. I mean, if you can pull any random performer, put them on stage and have them do what Beyonce does as well as or better than she does... then do it and show me. I want to see this uber talented person who has Beyonce's singing ability, dancing ability, overall stage prescence & performance ability and yes, looks... I wanna see them. Seriously!

A lot is said about Beyonce's songs being bad. That may or may not be true. That's so subjective, though... there's many hit songs by various artists that I hate!! But, they resonate with people for whatever reason. Sometimes, I just don't hear why they are hits, but I just accept that it's not for me and move on. In the case of Beyonce, "Me, Myself and I" is one of my favorite songs and I probably enjoy about 70% of her other material as well.

Im basically reposting this:

What talent??????????????????????????????

do you realize you can go to any HBCU and find black girls with that "Talent" you keep saying she has. Its NOT so much. Beyonce is a mediocre dancer at best, she great at booty shaking and coochie poppin, I hear her sing live during that performance and it was okay, she actually didn't sound that great which is why she stop singing the background vocals.

im just SICK and tired of hearing people say she has so much talent and is not using it.

I posted some videos from 2006, before beyonce single ladies, and i believe beyonce gets all her stuff from other people.

i repeat: "you could take any of these black girls from an HBCU and give them the "beyonce treatment" (songs, marketing, videos, image) and they be deemed just as "talented" a beyonce."

She is not extraordinary.

and there it is.

neoretro7 said:

She is not overrated because she does have talent and she can legitmately sing but she is just overexposed.

Beyonce makes us music purists frustrated because she is doing trendy music that won't last and with the voice she has she could've been the 2000's Celine Dion.

I would love to hear Beyonce sing Celine's signature song. theme from Titanic.

They are very different singers. Beyonce's voice is more like ... Patti Labelle, without the strength, or Betty Wright or I don't know but DEFINITELY not Celine.

Beyonce has a more gritty timberous sounding voice than Celine whose voice is clear and soaring like Bette Middler. I have heard Celine soar up to higher notes with her voice gliding up the notes... she doesn't break or shake. Beyonce's voice tends to quiver. And some people may like that style of singing.

But that type of voice will limit some songs that you will be able to sing.

It just there are some who just think she doesn't have the music catalog of an icon but she is one of the hardest working female artist , very driven for success whether its her albums, tours, special appearances, movies, or her big endorsements the hard works paid off because you probably won't forget whose Beyonce is years from b/c she did alot that she was constantly in our face. I've notice that alot of legends like diana ross, patti, stevie wonder, and barbara S. talk about she will become a legend in her own right seeing what it took for them to become one so time will tell. I'm glad the new album overall doesn't sound like how a mainstream record will sound now b/c the whole electro/dance pop era is like junk food to me now I heard so much of it now it just makes me sick,

there was one interesting music blog made a post about Madonna, Beyonce, and Britney Spears are the three most successful female pop not only in their music careers, but their endorsements deals, and Business ventures

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TotalAlisa said:

MelinaB said:

Can someone please explain to me why some people think Beyonce is trying to be as white as possible? Because, I dunno, it must be me but I don't see it.

contoring her nose, dying her hair platinum blond, lightning her skin whether with skin bleach, make up or special lighting.

its not that she is trying to be white, she is trying to LOOK white.

And she would look better with curly dark brown hair. It would make her skin glow instead of having a dirty grimy color to it.

Yes she is strategically trying to change her image to appeal to the white audience.

That is the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard.

1. Contouring her nose: so what? Enhancing the shape of her nose doesn't mean she's trying to make it less African-looking. I don't see any white person with her "after" nose. I guess that means Halle Berry, Janet Jackson, Tyra Banks, etc etc wanted white noses too? BULLSHIT. This is not any different than a person who has a nose that sticks too far out wanted it to be shorter.

2. Dying her hair platinum blond: LOL. If dying your hair blond doesnt make you white any more than dying your hair red makes you ginger. Beyonce has changed her hair colour a lot. So what if she knows what she likes?

3. Lightening her skin: she's already light skinned. Under certain lighting you can look lighter than you actually are. Yeah, there are times when she looks lighter than she actually is (even if she IS using make up) but there are times when she looks darker than she actually is (ever seen the photos from her Dangerously in Love album booklet?) Lightening your skin doesn't mean you want to be white any more than tanning means you want to be black.

People look at these things because they have no real reason to hate her.
She stays out of the tabloids, she's not a trainwreck, and she's actually got talent. People hate becase they're jealous

MelinaB said:

TotalAlisa said:

contoring her nose, dying her hair platinum blond, lightning her skin whether with skin bleach, make up or special lighting.

its not that she is trying to be white, she is trying to LOOK white.

And she would look better with curly dark brown hair. It would make her skin glow instead of having a dirty grimy color to it.

Yes she is strategically trying to change her image to appeal to the white audience.

That is the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard.

1. Contouring her nose: so what? Enhancing the shape of her nose doesn't mean she's trying to make it less African-looking. I don't see any white person with her "after" nose. I guess that means Halle Berry, Janet Jackson, Tyra Banks, etc etc wanted white noses too? BULLSHIT. This is not any different than a person who has a nose that sticks too far out wanted it to be shorter.

2. Dying her hair platinum blond: LOL. If dying your hair blond doesnt make you white any more than dying your hair red makes you ginger. Beyonce has changed her hair colour a lot. So what if she knows what she likes?

3. Lightening her skin: she's already light skinned. Under certain lighting you can look lighter than you actually are. Yeah, there are times when she looks lighter than she actually is (even if she IS using make up) but there are times when she looks darker than she actually is (ever seen the photos from her Dangerously in Love album booklet?) Lightening your skin doesn't mean you want to be white any more than tanning means you want to be black.

People look at these things because they have no real reason to hate her.
She stays out of the tabloids, she's not a trainwreck, and she's actually got talent. People hate becase they're jealous

biggest crock of shit i heard.

and also the rest of your post...

I DON'T CARE IF SHE STAYS OUT THE TABLOIDS, good for her. She has as much talent as most black girls in HBCU cheer leading squad. IM not impressed, yes she has talent, but NOT extraordinary talent.

OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE DELUSIONAL. if you dont' see how she is trying to look white, YOU ARE BLIND, IGNORANT, OBLIVIOUS.

janet, halle, tyra all had nose jobs and not to look white. It was for a smaller nose.

Beyonce already had a small nose, why contour it even more, you are right beyonce has changed her hair, from dirty blonde to platinum blonde, and maybe a few times she actually wore her natural hair color, but it was NOT during promotion of an album, it was going to a club with jay z.

LIKE I SAID, ITS A STRATEGY TO APPEAL TO MASS, she can have her blackness through her music, but yet have an image of a white woman to appeal to whites. Her first album was more true to who she is, she was darker on the album, she had no reason to make herself appear lighter, because she wasn't trying to cross over.

why would someone want to lighten their skin or darken their skin???? Before africa was invaded do you think they tried to lighten their skin, before whites came to africa, did you ever hear of them tanning???

This thread is so preDICKtable like a b-flick get it b flick hahaha....

MelinaB said:

TotalAlisa said:

contoring her nose, dying her hair platinum blond, lightning her skin whether with skin bleach, make up or special lighting.

its not that she is trying to be white, she is trying to LOOK white.

And she would look better with curly dark brown hair. It would make her skin glow instead of having a dirty grimy color to it.

Yes she is strategically trying to change her image to appeal to the white audience.

That is the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard.

1. Contouring her nose: so what? Enhancing the shape of her nose doesn't mean she's trying to make it less African-looking. I don't see any white person with her "after" nose. I guess that means Halle Berry, Janet Jackson, Tyra Banks, etc etc wanted white noses too? BULLSHIT. This is not any different than a person who has a nose that sticks too far out wanted it to be shorter.

2. Dying her hair platinum blond: LOL. If dying your hair blond doesnt make you white any more than dying your hair red makes you ginger. Beyonce has changed her hair colour a lot. So what if she knows what she likes?

3. Lightening her skin: she's already light skinned. Under certain lighting you can look lighter than you actually are. Yeah, there are times when she looks lighter than she actually is (even if she IS using make up) but there are times when she looks darker than she actually is (ever seen the photos from her Dangerously in Love album booklet?) Lightening your skin doesn't mean you want to be white any more than tanning means you want to be black.

People look at these things because they have no real reason to hate her.
She stays out of the tabloids, she's not a trainwreck, and she's actually got talent. People hate becase they're jealous

I was just saying to DH the other day that Beyonce presents an image that seems far from her own personality. She exudes sexuality etc. very freely, yet she is not known to be a "loose woman".

and she DOES stay out of trouble... married her long time boyfriend. you dont't hear her arrested for drunk driving or drug possession etc. That is good. Unfortunately the young ladies who look up to Beyonce don't understand this is just a fantasy image she is presenting... this is not how she lives her life.

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TotalAlisa said:

MelinaB said:

That is the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard.

1. Contouring her nose: so what? Enhancing the shape of her nose doesn't mean she's trying to make it less African-looking. I don't see any white person with her "after" nose. I guess that means Halle Berry, Janet Jackson, Tyra Banks, etc etc wanted white noses too? BULLSHIT. This is not any different than a person who has a nose that sticks too far out wanted it to be shorter.

2. Dying her hair platinum blond: LOL. If dying your hair blond doesnt make you white any more than dying your hair red makes you ginger. Beyonce has changed her hair colour a lot. So what if she knows what she likes?

3. Lightening her skin: she's already light skinned. Under certain lighting you can look lighter than you actually are. Yeah, there are times when she looks lighter than she actually is (even if she IS using make up) but there are times when she looks darker than she actually is (ever seen the photos from her Dangerously in Love album booklet?) Lightening your skin doesn't mean you want to be white any more than tanning means you want to be black.

People look at these things because they have no real reason to hate her.
She stays out of the tabloids, she's not a trainwreck, and she's actually got talent. People hate becase they're jealous

biggest crock of shit i heard.

and also the rest of your post...

I DON'T CARE IF SHE STAYS OUT THE TABLOIDS, good for her. She has as much talent as most black girls in HBCU cheer leading squad. IM not impressed, yes she has talent, but NOT extraordinary talent.

OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE DELUSIONAL. if you dont' see how she is trying to look white, YOU ARE BLIND, IGNORANT, OBLIVIOUS.

janet, halle, tyra all had nose jobs and not to look white. It was for a smaller nose.

Beyonce already had a small nose, why contour it even more, you are right beyonce has changed her hair, from dirty blonde to platinum blonde, and maybe a few times she actually wore her natural hair color, but it was NOT during promotion of an album, it was going to a club with jay z.

LIKE I SAID, ITS A STRATEGY TO APPEAL TO MASS, she can have her blackness through her music, but yet have an image of a white woman to appeal to whites. Her first album was more true to who she is, she was darker on the album, she had no reason to make herself appear lighter, because she wasn't trying to cross over.

why would someone want to lighten their skin or darken their skin???? Before africa was invaded do you think they tried to lighten their skin, before whites came to africa, did you ever hear of them tanning???

I think that's completely subjective and I just don't buy into it. A lot of bollywood actresses photoshop their pictures to look less dark, a lot of them had nose jobs and they even wear blue or green contacts for certain roles in movies or photoshoots for magazines. Are they trying to look white? I don't think so. Are they trying to look more appealing to white people? This is something I don't understand because that would mean most white people prefer to look at people who have lighter skin/hair color, which make them...racist, doesn't it? Honestly I don't know any white people who would think it's more appealing when black people dye their hair blonde, have lighter skin or smaller nose or whatever.

And how come when pale girls dye their hair dark and get tanned no one says "Oh they're trying to look like Latina" ??

Emancipation89 said:

TotalAlisa said:

biggest crock of shit i heard.

and also the rest of your post...

I DON'T CARE IF SHE STAYS OUT THE TABLOIDS, good for her. She has as much talent as most black girls in HBCU cheer leading squad. IM not impressed, yes she has talent, but NOT extraordinary talent.

OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE DELUSIONAL. if you dont' see how she is trying to look white, YOU ARE BLIND, IGNORANT, OBLIVIOUS.

janet, halle, tyra all had nose jobs and not to look white. It was for a smaller nose.

Beyonce already had a small nose, why contour it even more, you are right beyonce has changed her hair, from dirty blonde to platinum blonde, and maybe a few times she actually wore her natural hair color, but it was NOT during promotion of an album, it was going to a club with jay z.

LIKE I SAID, ITS A STRATEGY TO APPEAL TO MASS, she can have her blackness through her music, but yet have an image of a white woman to appeal to whites. Her first album was more true to who she is, she was darker on the album, she had no reason to make herself appear lighter, because she wasn't trying to cross over.

why would someone want to lighten their skin or darken their skin???? Before africa was invaded do you think they tried to lighten their skin, before whites came to africa, did you ever hear of them tanning???

I think that's completely subjective and I just don't buy into it. A lot of bollywood actresses photoshop their pictures to look less dark, a lot of them had nose jobs and they even wear blue or green contacts for certain roles in movies or photoshoots for magazines. Are they trying to look white? I don't think so. Are they trying to look more appealing to white people? This is something I don't understand because that would mean most white people prefer to look at people who have lighter skin/hair color, which make them...racist, doesn't it? Honestly I don't know any white people who would think it's more appealing when black people dye their hair blonde, have lighter skin or smaller nose or whatever.

And how come when pale girls dye their hair dark and get tanned no one says "Oh they're trying to look like Latina" ??

you said it NOT me, but YES thats the absolute truth. Why does the modeling industry prefer lighter skinned blacks????

you got a lot to learn. because people like familiarity they want to find a way to relate whether its physical, emotional, personable ect. , and yes beyonce does it to cross over.

Why choose pictures, where you barely tell her apart from britney spears, why choose ads that lighten her skin and contour her nose. Yes those loreal ads did that on purpose to cater to whites.

Incase you haven't noticed which you haven't, next time you pick up a cataloge, or ads for department stores, noticed how majority of the black models in the ad are actually biracial.

by the way Did you know there are black/african latinas

very!

TotalAlisa said:

Emancipation89 said:

I think that's completely subjective and I just don't buy into it. A lot of bollywood actresses photoshop their pictures to look less dark, a lot of them had nose jobs and they even wear blue or green contacts for certain roles in movies or photoshoots for magazines. Are they trying to look white? I don't think so. Are they trying to look more appealing to white people? This is something I don't understand because that would mean most white people prefer to look at people who have lighter skin/hair color, which make them...racist, doesn't it? Honestly I don't know any white people who would think it's more appealing when black people dye their hair blonde, have lighter skin or smaller nose or whatever.

And how come when pale girls dye their hair dark and get tanned no one says "Oh they're trying to look like Latina" ??

you said it NOT me, but YES thats the absolute truth. Why does the modeling industry prefer lighter skinned blacks????

you got a lot to learn. because people like familiarity they want to find a way to relate whether its physical, emotional, personable ect. , and yes beyonce does it to cross over.

Why choose pictures, where you barely tell her apart from britney spears, why choose ads that lighten her skin and contour her nose. Yes those loreal ads did that on purpose to cater to whites.

Incase you haven't noticed which you haven't, next time you pick up a cataloge, or ads for department stores, noticed how majority of the black models in the ad are actually biracial.

by the way Did you know there are black/african latinas

Like DUH but that doesn't mean Models wanna look WHITE. When you say "She wants to look white", that means she wants to be seen as a caucasian. Many african americans have light skin so "lighter skin" doesn necessarily equal to "caucasian feature", and Indian girls come from pale as snow to dark as darkest skin color you can imagine lol.

And when I said "when pale girls get tanned...how come people don't call them Latina wannabes? " I was talking about WHITE girls who get tanned.

And I get the industry prefers using lighter skin people but is that what Beyonce has to do at this point of her career to get people's attention?

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Unholyalliance said:

Personally, all of her music from her first album to her latest basically, sound the same. Granted that some songs stand out, I just wonder why I never hear anyone really mention anything about it.

You know what the problem is - why it's like that? It's because most (ALL?) of today's music (meaning: songs) comes from from the same ring of professional songwriters and producers. So it inevitably ends up sounding the same - cliched and "we've heard this one before".

A good (or bad, actually, depends who you ask ) example is Beyoncé's song "Halo".

Personally, I can't stand the sound of her voice anymore. She's a good singer, but I don't feel it's really a question of being overrated, it's more like being OVEREXPOSED.

SamSamba said:

Unholyalliance said:

Personally, all of her music from her first album to her latest basically, sound the same. Granted that some songs stand out, I just wonder why I never hear anyone really mention anything about it.

You know what the problem is - why it's like that? It's because most (ALL?) of today's music (meaning: songs) comes from from the same ring of professional songwriters and producers. So it inevitably ends up sounding the same - cliched and "we've heard this one before".

Exactly.Everyone works with the same songwriters and producers! No one would dare take a chance on a 'new' producer with a unique,edgy sound.They'd rather play it safe.That's why so much of today's music all sounds alike.

Just because she has talent DOES NOT make Beyonce a legend.

Some of the comments here are.. No she is not overrated because she can sing but she is overexposed. Do some of you people realize she is ranked high in the same category as Michael Jackson?????????

She is not worthy and does not deserve that praise and for that accolade as well as countless other she has received for NOT doing anything she IS OVERRATED I dont care how GOOD she sings which is also subjective because I personally think she is an okay singer and it also has nothing to do with what she HAS CONTRIBUTED AND INNOVATED IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY do people understand that?

So I guess Beyonce is better than Aretha Franklin, Michael Jackson and Prince then? Because that is what you people are saying when you say Beyonce is not overrated and deserves her accolades

Seriously, I really want someone to come in here and exactly tell me what Beyonce has innovated or contributed to the music industry because some of these responces are just not rational at all. What has she done to be called a legend?

She has a descent singing voice, HOWEVER

She can not ACT

She can learn a rehearse chorgraphy but by no means is she a GREAT dancer. I personally think she cant dance at all.

She doesnt write, produce any of her music

She doesnt play an instrument

She can put on some good shows but that is about it. And her SINGING seems to be an EXCUSE for why some think she isnt OVERRATED which is not good reasoning because you can still be a good singer and STILL be OVERRATED which SHE IS. Im just really tired of it.. you can like the girl but at this point you are just indenial at this point if you dont think she is

ALL her music is forgettable and she is not orginal. So her overexposure is what makes her a legend? Give me a got damn break

Also, Beyonce is a fair skin/ brown skin Black woman. She is not as light as some of these responces are suggesting. An example of a light skin black/ bi racial etc is someone with the complexion of Alicia Keys or Rihanna. I dont think that Beyonce is trying to be white per se but she is definitly feeding into the European look that all African American women in the spot light follow. Long hair, blonde hair etc.. I would like for her to once wear her natural hair and natural color.. Janet, Halle etc have ALL worn their natural hair and switched up their style. Beyonce seems to stay with that look because she feels it works for her. Its tired.

I got ONE more thing to say and I am done LOL

What kills me about people here who want to be accepted as musically conscience or whatever is they make dumbass statements. So alot of yall dont find Beyonce a mediocre artist to be overrated BUT FIND SLY STONE to be overrated who is a musician who exactly contributed/innovated funk music? Its just hard for me to take some of these opinions seriously with ridiculous statements like that. SOME of you people here have not a clue about the music industry or good music for that matter but got the nerve to call yourself a prince fan.. smh

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prodigalfan said:

neoretro7 said:

She is not overrated because she does have talent and she can legitmately sing but she is just overexposed.

Beyonce makes us music purists frustrated because she is doing trendy music that won't last and with the voice she has she could've been the 2000's Celine Dion.

I would love to hear Beyonce sing Celine's signature song. theme from Titanic.

They are very different singers. Beyonce's voice is more like ... Patti Labelle, without the strength, or Betty Wright or I don't know but DEFINITELY not Celine.

Beyonce has a more gritty timberous sounding voice than Celine whose voice is clear and soaring like Bette Middler. I have heard Celine soar up to higher notes with her voice gliding up the notes... she doesn't break or shake. Beyonce's voice tends to quiver. And some people may like that style of singing.

But that type of voice will limit some songs that you will be able to sing.

Good point. And I don't know why people want Bey to be a "Celine Dion" clone. The girl does more ballad heavy albums(3 of them if you count her new album) than she does uptempo heavy albums. And as you said, they have different voices and different vocal stylings. Bey is rhythmic in everything she does vocally, Celine, not so much and I actually like the Bette Midler reference though their tones are different too.

mjscarousal said:

Just because she has talent DOES NOT make Beyonce a legend.

Some of the comments here are.. No she is not overrated because she can sing but she is overexposed. Do some of you people realize she is ranked high in the same category as Michael Jackson?????????

She is not worthy and does not deserve that praise and for that accolade as well as countless other she has received for NOT doing anything she IS OVERRATED I dont care how GOOD she sings which is also subjective because I personally think she is an okay singer and it also has nothing to do with what she HAS CONTRIBUTED AND INNOVATED IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY do people understand that?

So I guess Beyonce is better than Aretha Franklin, Michael Jackson and Prince then? Because that is what you people are saying when you say Beyonce is not overrated and deserves her accolades

Seriously, I really want someone to come in here and exactly tell me what Beyonce has innovated or contributed to the music industry because some of these responces are just not rational at all. What has she done to be called a legend?

She has a descent singing voice, HOWEVER

She can not ACT

She can learn a rehearse chorgraphy but by no means is she a GREAT dancer. I personally think she cant dance at all.

She doesnt write, produce any of her music

She doesnt play an instrument

She can put on some good shows but that is about it. And her SINGING seems to be an EXCUSE for why some think she isnt OVERRATED which is not good reasoning because you can still be a good singer and STILL be OVERRATED which SHE IS. Im just really tired of it.. you can like the girl but at this point you are just indenial at this point if you dont think she is

ALL her music is forgettable and she is not orginal. So her overexposure is what makes her a legend? Give me a got damn break

Also, Beyonce is a fair skin/ brown skin Black woman. She is not as light as some of these responces are suggesting. An example of a light skin black/ bi racial etc is someone with the complexion of Alicia Keys or Rihanna. I dont think that Beyonce is trying to be white per se but she is definitly feeding into the European look that all African American women in the spot light follow. Long hair, blonde hair etc.. I would like for her to once wear her natural hair and natural color.. Janet, Halle etc have ALL worn their natural hair and switched up their style. Beyonce seems to stay with that look because she feels it works for her. Its tired.

I got ONE more thing to say and I am done LOL

What kills me about people here who want to be accepted as musically conscience or whatever is they make dumbass statements. So alot of yall dont find Beyonce a mediocre artist to be overrated BUT FIND SLY STONE to be overrated who is a musician who exactly contributed/innovated funk music? Its just hard for me to take some of these opinions seriously with ridiculous statements like that. SOME of you people here have not a clue about the music industry or good music for that matter but got the nerve to call yourself a prince fan.. smh

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Why are you making long posts on this subject? I am a fan of the girl and I certainly not offended over someone's opinion of her being overrated. And this statement: Its just hard for me to take some of these opinions seriously with ridiculous statements like that. SOME of you people here have not a clue about the music industry or good music for that matter but got the nerve to call yourself a prince fan.. smh is a bit over the top especially since you don't know someone like me is a Bey fan in the first place. I love Sly Stone and be the first to speak of his contribution to the industry but that don't take away from what Bey has done. But I am not going to make long paragraphs about it because I post things and people will not listen so I will not waste the pixels on it. Just as you aren't impressed by what Bey does, there are many who are and especially who are in the industry. People are just going to have to deal.

Emancipation89 said:

TotalAlisa said:

biggest crock of shit i heard.

and also the rest of your post...

I DON'T CARE IF SHE STAYS OUT THE TABLOIDS, good for her. She has as much talent as most black girls in HBCU cheer leading squad. IM not impressed, yes she has talent, but NOT extraordinary talent.

OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE DELUSIONAL. if you dont' see how she is trying to look white, YOU ARE BLIND, IGNORANT, OBLIVIOUS.

janet, halle, tyra all had nose jobs and not to look white. It was for a smaller nose.

Beyonce already had a small nose, why contour it even more, you are right beyonce has changed her hair, from dirty blonde to platinum blonde, and maybe a few times she actually wore her natural hair color, but it was NOT during promotion of an album, it was going to a club with jay z.

LIKE I SAID, ITS A STRATEGY TO APPEAL TO MASS, she can have her blackness through her music, but yet have an image of a white woman to appeal to whites. Her first album was more true to who she is, she was darker on the album, she had no reason to make herself appear lighter, because she wasn't trying to cross over.

why would someone want to lighten their skin or darken their skin???? Before africa was invaded do you think they tried to lighten their skin, before whites came to africa, did you ever hear of them tanning???

I think that's completely subjective and I just don't buy into it. A lot of bollywood actresses photoshop their pictures to look less dark, a lot of them had nose jobs and they even wear blue or green contacts for certain roles in movies or photoshoots for magazines. Are they trying to look white? I don't think so. Are they trying to look more appealing to white people? This is something I don't understand because that would mean most white people prefer to look at people who have lighter skin/hair color, which make them...racist, doesn't it? Honestly I don't know any white people who would think it's more appealing when black people dye their hair blonde, have lighter skin or smaller nose or whatever.

And how come when pale girls dye their hair dark and get tanned no one says "Oh they're trying to look like Latina" ??

But people need to know this: At the end of the day, it's entertainment. If a entetainer wants to bleach heir hair or bleach their skin, it's up to them. It's not me. And all of this isn't going to make me by their product either. It might do it for many, but I am different that way. At the end of the day, people are going to find reasons not like an entertainer and vice-versa on liking them and these are one of these topics.

She's overrated and overexposed.Are we clear on that?

As far as her voice is concerned, she's the truth. But, sometimes (like now), I just wish she would go somewhere and sit her ass down. It's just the same formula every time. I don't see or hear anything "innovative" or "groundbreaking" from her right now. Overexposure to the max.

SoulAlive said:

She's overrated and overexposed.Are we clear on that?

Yes, and her new album is destined for flopville. I can't tolerate her oversinging any longer.

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mjscarousal said:

Just because she has talent DOES NOT make Beyonce a legend.

Some of the comments here are.. No she is not overrated because she can sing but she is overexposed. Do some of you people realize she is ranked high in the same category as Michael Jackson?????????

She is not worthy and does not deserve that praise and for that accolade as well as countless other she has received for NOT doing anything she IS OVERRATED I dont care how GOOD she sings which is also subjective because I personally think she is an okay singer and it also has nothing to do with what she HAS CONTRIBUTED AND INNOVATED IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY do people understand that?

So I guess Beyonce is better than Aretha Franklin, Michael Jackson and Prince then? Because that is what you people are saying when you say Beyonce is not overrated and deserves her accolades

Seriously, I really want someone to come in here and exactly tell me what Beyonce has innovated or contributed to the music industry because some of these responces are just not rational at all. What has she done to be called a legend?

She has a descent singing voice, HOWEVER

She can not ACT

She can learn a rehearse chorgraphy but by no means is she a GREAT dancer. I personally think she cant dance at all.

She doesnt write, produce any of her music

She doesnt play an instrument

She can put on some good shows but that is about it. And her SINGING seems to be an EXCUSE for why some think she isnt OVERRATED which is not good reasoning because you can still be a good singer and STILL be OVERRATED which SHE IS. Im just really tired of it.. you can like the girl but at this point you are just indenial at this point if you dont think she is

ALL her music is forgettable and she is not orginal. So her overexposure is what makes her a legend? Give me a got damn break

Also, Beyonce is a fair skin/ brown skin Black woman. She is not as light as some of these responces are suggesting. An example of a light skin black/ bi racial etc is someone with the complexion of Alicia Keys or Rihanna. I dont think that Beyonce is trying to be white per se but she is definitly feeding into the European look that all African American women in the spot light follow. Long hair, blonde hair etc.. I would like for her to once wear her natural hair and natural color.. Janet, Halle etc have ALL worn their natural hair and switched up their style. Beyonce seems to stay with that look because she feels it works for her. Its tired.

I got ONE more thing to say and I am done LOL

What kills me about people here who want to be accepted as musically conscience or whatever is they make dumbass statements. So alot of yall dont find Beyonce a mediocre artist to be overrated BUT FIND SLY STONE to be overrated who is a musician who exactly contributed/innovated funk music? Its just hard for me to take some of these opinions seriously with ridiculous statements like that. SOME of you people here have not a clue about the music industry or good music for that matter but got the nerve to call yourself a prince fan.. smh

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Why are you making long posts on this subject? I am a fan of the girl and I certainly not offended over someone's opinion of her being overrated. And this statement: Its just hard for me to take some of these opinions seriously with ridiculous statements like that. SOME of you people here have not a clue about the music industry or good music for that matter but got the nerve to call yourself a prince fan.. smh is a bit over the top especially since you don't know someone like me is a Bey fan in the first place. I love Sly Stone and be the first to speak of his contribution to the industry but that don't take away from what Bey has done. But I am not going to make long paragraphs about it because I post things and people will not listen so I will not waste the pixels on it. Just as you aren't impressed by what Bey does, there are many who are and especially who are in the industry. People are just going to have to deal.

Why am I making a long post? Well lets see because I CAN because just like you and everyone else in here I have RIGHT TO SPEAK MY MIND. I am not tellling you what to say so please dont tell me what to say and that post was not in any form or shape directed towards you so WHY MAKE IT ABOUT YOU? Are you that delusional and caught up in your Beyonce world that you will go as far as to take EVERY objective criticism towards Beyonce personally or as if it is soley DIRECTED towards you when it is an open topic and open discussion for ANYONE to comment on? If so you need help then.

Beyonce has not innovated anything or presented anything groundbreaking to the music industry and you crazy as hell if you think she has. I have NO PROBLEM with bisecting what she has "so called" innovated and informing you artists WHO EXACTLY innovated and changed those things, things that she is basically COPYING.

Beyonce is just a pop singer and if you like her then fine I dont have an issue with that but I am not going to sit here and say she has impacted music when she hasnt neither and that is something YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT. She has not impacted music in the way MJ, Aretha, Sly has done which some media critics are CLAIMING SHE HAS. She is overrated... period. Whether she can sing or put on a good show or not she has not presented anything new to the industry nor is she orginal.

Like Total said.. there are plenty of women that are better singers than her and if you give them the "beyonce" treatment can do the same things. Its not that impressive or anything special about her talent.. I'm not a huge fan once again of Monica and Toni Braxton but they are MUCH better singers and they have a MUCH BETTER MUSIC CATELOGUE which it all balls down to at the end of the day.

Awards, accolades dont mean anything hun.. Marvin Gaye the greatest soul singer only got one grammy and few awards but ALL his music is timeless and he will forever go down as the greatest. Quality over quaninty. The MEDIA DOESNT decide who becomes a legend or what makes a legend THE PEOPLE DO.

Beyonce is good at what she does and Ill even admit that and I am not a fan of hers. HOWEVER, SHE IS NOT A LEGEND and there is nothing groundbreaking about her music or what she does.. She is just a pop act.. nothing iconic about it.

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SamSamba said:

You know what the problem is - why it's like that? It's because most (ALL?) of today's music (meaning: songs) comes from from the same ring of professional songwriters and producers. So it inevitably ends up sounding the same - cliched and "we've heard this one before".

Exactly.Everyone works with the same songwriters and producers! No one would dare take a chance on a 'new' producer with a unique,edgy sound.They'd rather play it safe.That's why so much of today's music all sounds alike.

So is it her decision to make that so or is it of her label? Can't she decide to use new people? Why doesn't she try to?

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Curtwill1975 said:

Why are you making long posts on this subject? I am a fan of the girl and I certainly not offended over someone's opinion of her being overrated. And this statement: Its just hard for me to take some of these opinions seriously with ridiculous statements like that. SOME of you people here have not a clue about the music industry or good music for that matter but got the nerve to call yourself a prince fan.. smh is a bit over the top especially since you don't know someone like me is a Bey fan in the first place. I love Sly Stone and be the first to speak of his contribution to the industry but that don't take away from what Bey has done. But I am not going to make long paragraphs about it because I post things and people will not listen so I will not waste the pixels on it. Just as you aren't impressed by what Bey does, there are many who are and especially who are in the industry. People are just going to have to deal.

Why am I making a long post? Well lets see because I CAN because just like you and everyone else in here I have RIGHT TO SPEAK MY MIND. I am not tellling you what to say so please dont tell me what to say and that post was not in any form or shape directed towards you so WHY MAKE IT ABOUT YOU? Are you that delusional and caught up in your Beyonce world that you will go as far as to take EVERY objective criticism towards Beyonce personally or as if it is soley DIRECTED towards you when it is an open topic and open discussion for ANYONE to comment on? If so you need help then.

Beyonce has not innovated anything or presented anything groundbreaking to the music industry and you crazy as hell if you think she has. I have NO PROBLEM with bisecting what she has "so called" innovated and informing you artists WHO EXACTLY innovated and changed those things, things that she is basically COPYING.

Beyonce is just a pop singer and if you like her then fine I dont have an issue with that but I am not going to sit here and say she has impacted music when she hasnt neither and that is something YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT. She has not impacted music in the way MJ, Aretha, Sly has done which some media critics are CLAIMING SHE HAS. She is overrated... period. Whether she can sing or put on a good show or not she has not presented anything new to the industry nor is she orginal.

Like Total said.. there are plenty of women that are better singers than her and if you give them the "beyonce" treatment can do the same things. Its not that impressive or anything special about her talent.. I'm not a huge fan once again of Monica and Toni Braxton but they are MUCH better singers and they have a MUCH BETTER MUSIC CATELOGUE which it all balls down to at the end of the day.

Awards, accolades dont mean anything hun.. Marvin Gaye the greatest soul singer only got one grammy and few awards but ALL his music is timeless and he will forever go down as the greatest. Quality over quaninty. The MEDIA DOESNT decide who becomes a legend or what makes a legend THE PEOPLE DO.

Beyonce is good at what she does and Ill even admit that and I am not a fan of hers. HOWEVER, SHE IS NOT A LEGEND and there is nothing groundbreaking about her music or what she does.. She is just a pop act.. nothing iconic about it.

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NaughtyKitty said:

mjscarousal said:

Why am I making a long post? Well lets see because I CAN because just like you and everyone else in here I have RIGHT TO SPEAK MY MIND. I am not tellling you what to say so please dont tell me what to say and that post was not in any form or shape directed towards you so WHY MAKE IT ABOUT YOU? Are you that delusional and caught up in your Beyonce world that you will go as far as to take EVERY objective criticism towards Beyonce personally or as if it is soley DIRECTED towards you when it is an open topic and open discussion for ANYONE to comment on? If so you need help then.

Beyonce has not innovated anything or presented anything groundbreaking to the music industry and you crazy as hell if you think she has. I have NO PROBLEM with bisecting what she has "so called" innovated and informing you artists WHO EXACTLY innovated and changed those things, things that she is basically COPYING.

Beyonce is just a pop singer and if you like her then fine I dont have an issue with that but I am not going to sit here and say she has impacted music when she hasnt neither and that is something YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT. She has not impacted music in the way MJ, Aretha, Sly has done which some media critics are CLAIMING SHE HAS. She is overrated... period. Whether she can sing or put on a good show or not she has not presented anything new to the industry nor is she orginal.

Like Total said.. there are plenty of women that are better singers than her and if you give them the "beyonce" treatment can do the same things. Its not that impressive or anything special about her talent.. I'm not a huge fan once again of Monica and Toni Braxton but they are MUCH better singers and they have a MUCH BETTER MUSIC CATELOGUE which it all balls down to at the end of the day.

Awards, accolades dont mean anything hun.. Marvin Gaye the greatest soul singer only got one grammy and few awards but ALL his music is timeless and he will forever go down as the greatest. Quality over quaninty. The MEDIA DOESNT decide who becomes a legend or what makes a legend THE PEOPLE DO.

Beyonce is good at what she does and Ill even admit that and I am not a fan of hers. HOWEVER, SHE IS NOT A LEGEND and there is nothing groundbreaking about her music or what she does.. She is just a pop act.. nothing iconic about it.

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Unholyalliance said:

SoulAlive said:

Exactly.Everyone works with the same songwriters and producers! No one would dare take a chance on a 'new' producer with a unique,edgy sound.They'd rather play it safe.That's why so much of today's music all sounds alike.

So is it her decision to make that so or is it of her label? Can't she decide to use new people? Why doesn't she try to?

She did use new people. The girl never work with Major Lazer(Diplo) or Diane Warren or Ester Dean, for example. In fact, she never had Kanye produce a song on her album. She's not using Stargate or Rich Harrison, Sean Garrett or Neyo or Amanda Ghost.

She only used the Dream(Twice for lyrics and once for production) and Ryan Tedder(along with Diane Warren). That's only similar people she used.

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Curtwill1975 said:

Why are you making long posts on this subject? I am a fan of the girl and I certainly not offended over someone's opinion of her being overrated. And this statement: Its just hard for me to take some of these opinions seriously with ridiculous statements like that. SOME of you people here have not a clue about the music industry or good music for that matter but got the nerve to call yourself a prince fan.. smh is a bit over the top especially since you don't know someone like me is a Bey fan in the first place. I love Sly Stone and be the first to speak of his contribution to the industry but that don't take away from what Bey has done. But I am not going to make long paragraphs about it because I post things and people will not listen so I will not waste the pixels on it. Just as you aren't impressed by what Bey does, there are many who are and especially who are in the industry. People are just going to have to deal.

Why am I making a long post? Well lets see because I CAN because just like you and everyone else in here I have RIGHT TO SPEAK MY MIND. I am not tellling you what to say so please dont tell me what to say and that post was not in any form or shape directed towards you so WHY MAKE IT ABOUT YOU? Are you that delusional and caught up in your Beyonce world that you will go as far as to take EVERY objective criticism towards Beyonce personally or as if it is soley DIRECTED towards you when it is an open topic and open discussion for ANYONE to comment on? If so you need help then.

Beyonce has not innovated anything or presented anything groundbreaking to the music industry and you crazy as hell if you think she has. I have NO PROBLEM with bisecting what she has "so called" innovated and informing you artists WHO EXACTLY innovated and changed those things, things that she is basically COPYING.

Beyonce is just a pop singer and if you like her then fine I dont have an issue with that but I am not going to sit here and say she has impacted music when she hasnt neither and that is something YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT. She has not impacted music in the way MJ, Aretha, Sly has done which some media critics are CLAIMING SHE HAS. She is overrated... period. Whether she can sing or put on a good show or not she has not presented anything new to the industry nor is she orginal.

Like Total said.. there are plenty of women that are better singers than her and if you give them the "beyonce" treatment can do the same things. Its not that impressive or anything special about her talent.. I'm not a huge fan once again of Monica and Toni Braxton but they are MUCH better singers and they have a MUCH BETTER MUSIC CATELOGUE which it all balls down to at the end of the day.

Awards, accolades dont mean anything hun.. Marvin Gaye the greatest soul singer only got one grammy and few awards but ALL his music is timeless and he will forever go down as the greatest. Quality over quaninty. The MEDIA DOESNT decide who becomes a legend or what makes a legend THE PEOPLE DO.

Beyonce is good at what she does and Ill even admit that and I am not a fan of hers. HOWEVER, SHE IS NOT A LEGEND and there is nothing groundbreaking about her music or what she does.. She is just a pop act.. nothing iconic about it.

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*shrug* You completely missed my point. My point isn't your criticism of her. Some of it I can even agree with....but when you say things like this: Its just hard for me to take some of these opinions seriously with ridiculous statements like that. SOME of you people here have not a clue about the music industry or good music for that matter but got the nerve to call yourself a prince fan....

Come on, now. You're going too far. For no reason. Note, I didn't get upset or try to oppose anyone's viewpoint of Bey being overrated. It's okay. In fact, I feel that most pop stars are overrated on some level, even my faves who are considered legends and icons in the industry. Yeah, they have made great impact on the industry, but they make them into almost godlike, the same way you speak of people doing with Beyoncé.

You mention Marvin Gaye and I love him musically and entertainment wise, but I don't consider him the greatest soul singer ever. Give me Bobby Womack all day, personally. Give me Teddy Pendergrass. But I can admit that he has a bigger impact that Bobby and Teddy ever had. So it is fine if people put him over them IMO. I don't get offended over that.

You mentioned Toni and Brandy. Well, I could mention that BOTH of them respects Bey's impact in the industry, but I will say that whether you personally like what Bey does...her impact is bigger than theirs, especially Brandy. You can say it is manufactured or whatever, but it is what it is. You can't take that away from her. And that's the thing that I never get. Facts>>>>>>>Opinion everyday. But people will exalt their opinion over the facts even when it is proven to be fact.

So whether you think Bey is overrated or not, the very fact that you even thinking of debating this shows she has a legacy. And that's all that matters at the end of the day. You exalting your opinion is not going to change it.

I believe any artist's success lies within the hands of the people who buy that artist's CD's, who download that artist's music and who pay for tickets to attend that artist's concerts. If Beyonce is overexposed, it's because of the public of fans who overexposed her. She DOES, however, have an incredible work ethic and she appeals to a lot of people, men and woman alike; Probably more women than men, I would guess.

She's highly talented and has been around for years now. Her voice is incredible, but certainly not the BEST voice. And that's subjective too. If one were to put Beyonce on the same stage with say, Jennifer Holliday or Jennifer Hudson, it would be clear as to who would be blown off the stage in a single note.

As much of a sleazy and aggressive business man her father appears to be, y'gotta hand it to him. He knew just how to market her and he, TOO, worked his butt off to bring her to the place she is today. It's all about who's behind you and how hard they (and you) are willing to work. She's driven, she's beautiful, she's talented and that's where her success lies-in her "work ethic."

Overexposed? Hardly. Publically embraced? HELL, yeah! She MUST BE. She's still here, afterall. When an artist's stuff stops selling, THAT'S when you know the support is gone and people are tired of you. Time will tell with "Beyonce 4" when it drops in a couple of weeks. Myself, I LOVE "Who Run the World (Girls") and I'm a dude! That's a kickass little joint right there. Who run this mother?... We'll soon see.

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mjscarousal said:

Why am I making a long post? Well lets see because I CAN because just like you and everyone else in here I have RIGHT TO SPEAK MY MIND. I am not tellling you what to say so please dont tell me what to say and that post was not in any form or shape directed towards you so WHY MAKE IT ABOUT YOU? Are you that delusional and caught up in your Beyonce world that you will go as far as to take EVERY objective criticism towards Beyonce personally or as if it is soley DIRECTED towards you when it is an open topic and open discussion for ANYONE to comment on? If so you need help then.

Beyonce has not innovated anything or presented anything groundbreaking to the music industry and you crazy as hell if you think she has. I have NO PROBLEM with bisecting what she has "so called" innovated and informing you artists WHO EXACTLY innovated and changed those things, things that she is basically COPYING.

Beyonce is just a pop singer and if you like her then fine I dont have an issue with that but I am not going to sit here and say she has impacted music when she hasnt neither and that is something YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT. She has not impacted music in the way MJ, Aretha, Sly has done which some media critics are CLAIMING SHE HAS. She is overrated... period. Whether she can sing or put on a good show or not she has not presented anything new to the industry nor is she orginal.

Like Total said.. there are plenty of women that are better singers than her and if you give them the "beyonce" treatment can do the same things. Its not that impressive or anything special about her talent.. I'm not a huge fan once again of Monica and Toni Braxton but they are MUCH better singers and they have a MUCH BETTER MUSIC CATELOGUE which it all balls down to at the end of the day.

Awards, accolades dont mean anything hun.. Marvin Gaye the greatest soul singer only got one grammy and few awards but ALL his music is timeless and he will forever go down as the greatest. Quality over quaninty. The MEDIA DOESNT decide who becomes a legend or what makes a legend THE PEOPLE DO.

Beyonce is good at what she does and Ill even admit that and I am not a fan of hers. HOWEVER, SHE IS NOT A LEGEND and there is nothing groundbreaking about her music or what she does.. She is just a pop act.. nothing iconic about it.

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*shrug* You completely missed my point. My point isn't your criticism of her. Some of it I can even agree with....but when you say things like this: Its just hard for me to take some of these opinions seriously with ridiculous statements like that. SOME of you people here have not a clue about the music industry or good music for that matter but got the nerve to call yourself a prince fan....

Come on, now. You're going too far. For no reason. Note, I didn't get upset or try to oppose anyone's viewpoint of Bey being overrated. It's okay. In fact, I feel that most pop stars are overrated on some level, even my faves who are considered legends and icons in the industry. Yeah, they have made great impact on the industry, but they make them into almost godlike, the same way you speak of people doing with Beyoncé.

You mention Marvin Gaye and I love him musically and entertainment wise, but I don't consider him the greatest soul singer ever. Give me Bobby Womack all day, personally. Give me Teddy Pendergrass. But I can admit that he has a bigger impact that Bobby and Teddy ever had. So it is fine if people put him over them IMO. I don't get offended over that.

You mentioned Toni and Brandy. Well, I could mention that BOTH of them respects Bey's impact in the industry, but I will say that whether you personally like what Bey does...her impact is bigger than theirs, especially Brandy. You can say it is manufactured or whatever, but it is what it is. You can't take that away from her. And that's the thing that I never get. Facts>>>>>>>Opinion everyday. But people will exalt their opinion over the facts even when it is proven to be fact.

So whether you think Bey is overrated or not, the very fact that you even thinking of debating this shows she has a legacy. And that's all that matters at the end of the day. You exalting your opinion is not going to change it.

ALL you keep saying is she has IMPACTED... WHAT HAS SHE IMPACTED? I have constantly asked what has Beyonce innovated and you have yet to say what she has contributed to the music industry.. Your only arguement is she has impacted she is more impactful than Toni and Monica which is not true at all. She is MORE POPULAR THAN THEM BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN SHE HAS MORE IMPACT. I'm still waiting for someone to say what has she invented? What groundbreaking things that changed the world of music has she done?

and FYI you saying that Monica and Toni respect Beyonce HAS NOTHING to do with the fact that their music catalogue is MUCH better than hers thats rather irrelevant to the arguement but one assume that you threw that in there because you have NO arguement. Why is it so hard for you to just accept the truth are u that blind by your fandom?

What impact has she made?

Cause this is getting very ridiculous now and its very disrespectful to legends who have exactly change the world of music. I dont CARE if you like Beyonce girl.. I COULD CARE LESS.... HOWEVER, I am not going to sit here and let somebody say that overrated Beyonce impacted music WHEN SHE HASNT

Cause EVERYTHING that she does from her music and her copied performances have already been done. We are having a music conversation and I dont know why you feel everytime someone has something objective to say about Beyonce that makes her a legend. Chile the thread question asked to give an opinion and I gave an objective responce. YOU HAVE NOT BACKED YOUR POSTS WITH FACTS.. I CAN BACK MY POST WITH FACTS BECAUSE ITS TRUE.

Beyonce doesnt write or produce any of her music and has been called out a fraud numerous of times

While Beyonce can put on a show HOWEVER

She is not technically a great dancer compared to real dancers that changed dance such as MJ, Nicholas Brothers, James Brown, Tina

She basically copies the whole Tina Turner routine and some of Janet performances

ALL her music is forgettable and she has yet to come out with a solid classic..

She is just a pop singer. She hasnt contributed anything new in the industry through video or performances. She follows the SAME pattern legends before her molded.

To be honest with you like I said before I really do not care if you like Beyonce because I am not in here to prove anything to you. I came here to state my opinion and for your information me saying that Marvin is the greatest is not saying that all the other soul singers were bad Marvin WAS the greatest and made a profound impact on soul music and your opinion is subjective on your other preferences but he is technically still the greatest which was the only point I was trying to make AS FAR AS HIS CONTRIBUTION. He has only ONE grammy. He doesnt have alot of awards but he topped the charts and influenced generations to come that is the point. He timeless music will forever live and Beyonce does not have none of that. She is popular now but do you honestly think people are going to be listening to Freakum Dress or Crazy in Love 60 years from now? I dont think so...

See what I get from your posts are you are confused on what makes a legend, on what makes music timeless etc and you confused that with POPULARITY when popularity doesnt mean anything

YOU ALWAYS do this everytime someone criticizes Beyonce and I am not even bashing the girl or saying things that are NOT true. Everyone knows she is overrated and received made up awards, accolades because she IS popular that does NOT reflect her talent, the quality of her music or what she has done for the music industry which has been zeroe. So you need to accept that as well as everyone in the whole word does not bow down to her.

You also need to understand that Beyonce is commercially successful because she has a good marketing team and she sells sex and comes out with gutter generic music for teens.. She might have finally decided to change that up with this album but seriously there are way more singers that are out now that are MORE talented and influential.. Beyonce is a pop glamour girl thats it.

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