rialb said:

Approximately how long are the dvd's? They must be in the neighborhood of two hours.

That seems accurate. They are loaded with videos, the interviews are about 20 minutes, and fairly lengthy live performances.

NoVideo said:

Toofunkyinhere said:

Which are the tracks which should've been relegated to b-sides on "Head Music"?. "Let Go" does sound sound like a real good song!

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In my view "Elephant Man" is the biggest mistake on "Head Music." Interestingly in his revised version of "Head Music" in the liner notes, Brett would leave off the title song in addition to "Elephant Man", "Crack in the Union Jack" and "Asbestos" and replace them with the b-sides "Heroin", "Leaving" and "Crackhead".

Glad you liked the "Dog Man Star" reissue! It's awesome.

Hmm I may have to get Head Music and A New Morning, it'd be great to have all those B-Sides aswell. Yeah fair call replacing those songs, although i do think "Asbestos is one of the better songs.

Toofunkyinhere said:

NoVideo said:

In my view "Elephant Man" is the biggest mistake on "Head Music." Interestingly in his revised version of "Head Music" in the liner notes, Brett would leave off the title song in addition to "Elephant Man", "Crack in the Union Jack" and "Asbestos" and replace them with the b-sides "Heroin", "Leaving" and "Crackhead".

Glad you liked the "Dog Man Star" reissue! It's awesome.

Hmm I may have to get Head Music and A New Morning, it'd be great to have all those B-Sides aswell. Yeah fair call replacing those songs, although i do think "Asbestos is one of the better songs.

Do it! It's kind of rare to get deluxe reissues like these that are actually good value for the money.

I've got the first two on the way and if the silly postal strike here in Canada ever ends they should be arriving soon. I think I'll try to convince a relative to buy the last two for me as a Christmas present. I want to hear them but I can definitely wait.

Alright people, just picked "Coming Up""and "New Morning", aswell as Brett Anderson's solo record "Slow Attack", will listen later today...

Loving the New Morning remaster!, the b-sides have really grown on me, think i'm starting to like disc 2 with the b-sides more than the actual album!, both are great though it probably could've been a double album, real glad i bought this one.

"New Morning" arrived over the weekend, just getting ready to listen to it now.

NoVideo said:

"New Morning" arrived over the weekend, just getting ready to listen to it now.

I am very jealous, I still haven't received Suede and Dog Man Star. Stupid Canada Post strike. Head Music should be on the way soon.

Man I had slept on "Cheap" before; when I saw it listed in Brett's "hindsight is 20/20" revised tracklisting for "New Morning" I wanted to give it a closer listen. He also describes it as "criminally underrated" in the "New Morning" liner notes.

It is indeed a terrific track.

The material is definitely there for "New Morning" - - - they sadly chose the wrong sequencing, and left some of the strongest tracks (like "Cheap", for instance), as B-sides.

Once i listen to it through a few more times, I'm gonna make "my" version of "New Morning".

I still haven't received any of the reissues yet but I did get a great deal on Coming Up. Now I just need to purchase A New Morning for the full set.

rialb said:

I still haven't received any of the reissues yet but I did get a great deal on Coming Up. Now I just need to purchase A New Morning for the full set.

Let us know how you like them when they arrive! i've taken a bit of a break from them, i think i overdid it for a while, but i'll definitely be back

Always thought Suede had made little to no impression in the States, even in the UK it seemed to me like the blew up and were gone before Britpop.

NoVideo said:

rialb said:

I still haven't received any of the reissues yet but I did get a great deal on Coming Up. Now I just need to purchase A New Morning for the full set.

Let us know how you like them when they arrive! i've taken a bit of a break from them, i think i overdid it for a while, but i'll definitely be back

If I don't receive at least one of them this week I may do something exteme.

elmer said:

Always thought Suede had made little to no impression in the States, even in the UK it seemed to me like the blew up and were gone before Britpop.

I don't think they did make much of an impression in the U.S. but keep in mind there are over 300 million people there, some of them must be Suede fans.

I believe they are credited as spearheading the whole Britpop movement (along with Blur). By 1997 Britpop was starting to wane but Suede's most successful album, Coming Up which was their third album, was released in 1996. They were definitely right their in the middle of the whole movement.

rialb said:

elmer said:

Always thought Suede had made little to no impression in the States, even in the UK it seemed to me like the blew up and were gone before Britpop.

I don't think they did make much of an impression in the U.S. but keep in mind there are over 300 million people there, some of them must be Suede fans.

I believe they are credited as spearheading the whole Britpop movement (along with Blur). By 1997 Britpop was starting to wane but Suede's most successful album, Coming Up which was their third album, was released in 1996. They were definitely right their in the middle of the whole movement.

Even though they are commonly associated with the term Britpop, Suede vehemently denounces it and disassociates from it. They really have very little in common with bands like Blur and Pulp and others that supposedly made up that movement. To me it's a bit of a nonsense term that seems to include any british band that came to some degree of prominance during the 90s.

Suede is a hard-rock mix of glam, new wave and late Berlin-era Bowie. To me they really don't sound like anybody else that came out during that era.

But they are always mentioned as "Britpop" - very lazy label, imho, invented by journalists and it doesn't have any real meaning.

NoVideo said:

rialb said:

I don't think they did make much of an impression in the U.S. but keep in mind there are over 300 million people there, some of them must be Suede fans.

I believe they are credited as spearheading the whole Britpop movement (along with Blur). By 1997 Britpop was starting to wane but Suede's most successful album, Coming Up which was their third album, was released in 1996. They were definitely right their in the middle of the whole movement.

Even though they are commonly associated with the term Britpop, Suede vehemently denounces it and disassociates from it. They really have very little in common with bands like Blur and Pulp and others that supposedly made up that movement. To me it's a bit of a nonsense term that seems to include any british band that came to some degree of prominance during the 90s.

Suede is a hard-rock mix of glam, new wave and late Berlin-era Bowie. To me they really don't sound like anybody else that came out during that era.

But they are always mentioned as "Britpop" - very lazy label, imho, invented by journalists and it doesn't have any real meaning.

Well look at Blur and Oasis, arguably the two biggest Britpop bands. They don't really sound anything alike. Oasis are much more of a traditional rock band while Blur were a bit more art rock. I'm not sure that you could find a single Oasis song that would fit in on a Blur album and the reverse is probably also true. Then you had Pulp who kind of had a "cheap" sound with their keyboards. Suede had a very majestic sound. The Manic Street Preachers were very anthemic. Really, most of the big Britpop groups sounded nothing alike. The thing that killed it is the same thing that always kills any "movement," tons of crappy soundalike bands.

I didn't really get into any of those bands until 1997/1998 but I think the "Britpop" label had more to do with the movement of British groups rejecting American music and being proud of their own culture. After the somewhat serious Shoegaze era it seemed like there were a lot of bands emerging that were creating fun, upbeat music which flew directly in the face of what was popular in America at the time (Alternative/Grunge). They had to call it something so it all got labeled as Britpop. As labels go I kind of like it.

rialb said:

elmer said:

Always thought Suede had made little to no impression in the States, even in the UK it seemed to me like the blew up and were gone before Britpop.

I don't think they did make much of an impression in the U.S. but keep in mind there are over 300 million people there, some of them must be Suede fans.

I believe they are credited as spearheading the whole Britpop movement (along with Blur). By 1997 Britpop was starting to wane but Suede's most successful album, Coming Up which was their third album, was released in 1996. They were definitely right their in the middle of the whole movement.

According to wiki they sold 105,000 albums as of 2008, thas little impression.

Their American success was limited as they had already begun to be upstaged by their opening act, The Cranberries, who received the support from MTV that Suede lacked. At times Butler left the stage while Suede was performing and convinced a member of The Cranberries to fill in for him. Moreover, a lounge singer's lawsuit forced the band to stop using the trademarked American name "Suede". For their subsequent releases and shows performed in the United States, the band used the moniker "The London Suede".

They must've passed me during the Britpop years, I pretty much deplored it all and had stopped buying music mags.

Whas with Wozniacki? Are you a Dane or you'd just like to bang her?

rialb said:

I think the "Britpop" label had more to do with the movement of British groups rejecting American music and being proud of their own culture. After the somewhat serious Shoegaze era it seemed like there were a lot of bands emerging that were creating fun, upbeat music which flew directly in the face of what was popular in America at the time (Alternative/Grunge). They had to call it something so it all got labeled as Britpop. As labels go I kind of like it.

Yeah, I'm sure it was coined as a response to the similar umbrella term of Grunge.

rialb said:

NoVideo said:

Even though they are commonly associated with the term Britpop, Suede vehemently denounces it and disassociates from it. They really have very little in common with bands like Blur and Pulp and others that supposedly made up that movement. To me it's a bit of a nonsense term that seems to include any british band that came to some degree of prominance during the 90s.

Suede is a hard-rock mix of glam, new wave and late Berlin-era Bowie. To me they really don't sound like anybody else that came out during that era.

But they are always mentioned as "Britpop" - very lazy label, imho, invented by journalists and it doesn't have any real meaning.

Well look at Blur and Oasis, arguably the two biggest Britpop bands. They don't really sound anything alike. Oasis are much more of a traditional rock band while Blur were a bit more art rock. I'm not sure that you could find a single Oasis song that would fit in on a Blur album and the reverse is probably also true. Then you had Pulp who kind of had a "cheap" sound with their keyboards. Suede had a very majestic sound. The Manic Street Preachers were very anthemic. Really, most of the big Britpop groups sounded nothing alike. The thing that killed it is the same thing that always kills any "movement," tons of crappy soundalike bands.

I didn't really get into any of those bands until 1997/1998 but I think the "Britpop" label had more to do with the movement of British groups rejecting American music and being proud of their own culture. After the somewhat serious Shoegaze era it seemed like there were a lot of bands emerging that were creating fun, upbeat music which flew directly in the face of what was popular in America at the time (Alternative/Grunge). They had to call it something so it all got labeled as Britpop. As labels go I kind of like it.

Totally agree, well-said. I don't mind it so much I guess, if looked at as a cultural term rather than a musical term. It's funny, Bush - which had a very American/grunge sound - never really caught on in the UK but they were huge in America. And many of the Britpop bands like Pulp and Manic Street Preachers and even Blur were never really big in any substantial way in the US. Oasis had a fleeting period thanks to Wonderwall and on the strength of the Morning Glory album, they weren't able to maintain it.

Though they don't sound alike, there is something very "British" about all of them.

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elmer said:

Whas with Wozniacki? Are you a Dane or you'd just like to bang her?

Congratulations, you are the first person to recognise and comment on my avatar picture.

No, I'm not a Dane. I'm a As to your second question that's not my primary interest in her but given the chance I would seriously consider it. She does have (a few) fans outside of Denmark although after her recent performances at Roland Garros and Wimbledon I'm starting to wonder why. I do find it amusing that she has clung to the number one ranking for most of this year while remaining completely annonymous to 99.9999999999% of the general public.

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Finally! I received the Suede reissue yesterday (which is weird because Dog Man Star was shipped twelve days before Suede but the postal strike may have screwed everything up).

I haven't had a chance to view the dvd yet but it looks like it is pretty packed with content.

A slight nitpick, between disc one and two there is in the neighborhood of thirty minutes of unused space. There are some early tracks ("Be My God," "Art," "Wonderful Sometimes" et cetera) that probably should have been included. It also may have made sense to put the "Stay Together" single and b-sides on the Suede reissue. Apparently, some of the b-sides on the other reissues have had as much as three minutes lopped off of them. Most trimming of tracks could have been avoided if the "Stay Together" tracks were moved to the Suede reissue and more of the Dog Man Star b-sides were included with that album rather than the Coming Up reissue.

The demos on the first disc are a bit rough but still great to have.

I had never heard "Painted People" or "Dolly" before so those are like "new" songs to me. They are both decent enough songs and would not have been out of place on Sci-Fi Lullabies.

The rest of the extras are a bit slight but it was interesting to hear a Justine Frischmann era track.

I'll be giving the "new" tracks a few more spins over the weekend and hopefully Dog Man Star and Coming Up will arrive next week. I'll have to wait until the end of August to hear Head Music and A New Morning. I managed to con my sister into buying them as a birthday present.

great band, ive got their greatest hits 2cd release. Also listened to a few albums.

I saw those disk in the shop, they looked cool.

I actually really enjoyed Head Music, alot of Prince influence on that album in terms of the drums and funky guitar tones.... Brett even said so himself

So, I had a chance today to watch some of the dvd content of the Suede reissue. The new interview with Brett and Bernard was much better than I was anticipating. They seemed to get on quite well and you would think that they were still bandmates. The live performances were...interesting. I'm sure it was what he was going for but that haircut that Brett was sporting was unfortunate to say the least. It reminds me of an uptight librarian. Mat and Bernard also had quite the stage moves. Mat rocking back and forth and Bernard constantly twirling his hair from side to side. I realise that these are very early performances but they looked quite stiff and awkward. The actual music was great. Some of that stuff is fairly complicated but they managed to pull it off quite well in a live setting.

Anyone else have anything to say about any of the dvd's?

Coming Up arrived today (yippee!) but still no Dog Man Star (boooo!). Just about finished with the first disc. My initial impression of the demos is that they are quite good. Very rough but they make a great contrast to the polished album versions. The harmonica on "Trash" is interesting to hear but it was probably a good idea to drop it for the "real" version.

Kind of funny to see Brett's alternate tracklist, he drops what may be my favourite song from the album ("The Chemistry Between Us").

I probably will not get an opportunity to watch it until the weekend but I'm rather curious about the Dog Man Star footage featuring the "new" Suede. I guess it should have been obvious to me since Bernard left before the album was released but I always associated the Mark II lineup of the band with Coming Up but they played together for over a year before that album was released.

It's probably not cool of me but Coming Up is probably my favourite Suede album. It's certainly a very strong album, especially when you consider that a lot of people thought the band was finished when Bernard left. As good as the first two albums were they were not packed with hit singles the way that Coming Up was. There were arguably more singles to be mined from the album and it could have been the Britpop equivalent of Hysteria.

I have been watching the "Coming Up" dvd quite a lot, the live concert's pretty decent quality although it goes way out of synch towards the end, i like the music videos too. I'm not too sure about the alternative tracklisting either really, "The Chemistry Between Us" is one of my favourite tunes also, if i had to drop any songs it would maybe just be "Lazy", but to be honest i'm not sure any of the b-sides really would've suited the mood of the album. For me "Coming Up" is on par with "Dog Man Star" as Suede's best album, both of which i think are better than the debut.

I think it's a bit of a crime they never released "She" as a single, i think that song's a classic!, and those drums at the start are so damn catchy!

Joy and jubilation! Dog Man Star finally arrived!

It's funny, these were probably the demos I was most interested in hearing but they are the least impressive. Maybe they will grow on me after a few more spins.

What the heck is "Eno's Introducing the Band?!?" I'll tell you what, sixteen minutes of my life that I will never get back! I'm glad that they included (nearly) everything in these reissues but maybe this one would have been better left as an obscure b-side?

Wow, the full version of "The Wild Ones" is like a completely new song! I wasn't expecting much from it but I really dig it. The new bits near the end kind of remind me of a Blur song (possibly "For Tomorrow") and sound very much like something Graham would have cooked up. "Still Life" is one of my very favourite Suede songs so it's great to get the instrumental track.

I finished the Suede dvd and am about to dive into Dog Man Star. If anyone has watched the dvd's please give us some of your thoughts on them.

Picked up "Head Music" aswell, probably their most patchy album for me, still very good though!, great singles!. The b-sides are probably the weakest too, although the quality of them seems to pick up during the second half of the disc. Haven't watched the dvd yet...

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I think the dvd's could've been better to honest rialb, surely there's better quality live footage out there than the handy-cam jobs that they've used? although it is interesting to see. Having the music video's is nice though.

Toofunkyinhere said:

I think the dvd's could've been better to honest rialb, surely there's better quality live footage out there than the handy-cam jobs that they've used? although it is interesting to see. Having the music video's is nice though.

The quality doesn't bother me too much but I've only watched the first one and part of the second. If the majority of the footage is amature from the crowd stuff I may change my tune. Some people were disappointed that the Introducing the Band concert wasn't included but I think that's still available as a separate dvd.

It's a bit strange that the Dog Man Star promo videos were excluded. I've already got them on the Lost in TV dvd but they really should be on the new dvd too.

I guess the thing that impresses me is that the dvd's all appear to be 2-3 hours long. Too often you get a dvd with a cd and it only runs 10-20 minutes. There's a fair bit of content to these ones.

rialb said:

Toofunkyinhere said:

I think the dvd's could've been better to honest rialb, surely there's better quality live footage out there than the handy-cam jobs that they've used? although it is interesting to see. Having the music video's is nice though.

The quality doesn't bother me too much but I've only watched the first one and part of the second. If the majority of the footage is amature from the crowd stuff I may change my tune. Some people were disappointed that the Introducing the Band concert wasn't included but I think that's still available as a separate dvd.

It's a bit strange that the Dog Man Star promo videos were excluded. I've already got them on the Lost in TV dvd but they really should be on the new dvd too.

I guess the thing that impresses me is that the dvd's all appear to be 2-3 hours long. Too often you get a dvd with a cd and it only runs 10-20 minutes. There's a fair bit of content to these ones.

Yeah i'll have to watch the Dvd's again to make a better assesment (i've only given them a once over really), but yeah i felt at the time maybe better footage could've been used, maybe they didn't have the rights?. "Coming Up" and "New Morning" do have a semi-proffesional concert each which aren't too bad, there wasn't much on the "Dog Man Star" dvd to keep me coming back and i haven't seen the "Suede" or "Head Music" dvd's yet so i can't comment on them. Still i shouldn't be too picky, your right these reissues are so generous and such great value for money, easily the best i've come across, real beautiful packages.

And yeah i agree with you on "Eno's introducing the Band", very strange inclusion, i wonder if Eno had anything to do with the song?