rialb said:

Timmy84 said:

Being drunk don't excuse getting some beatdown for standing around someone's personal luggage.

Fair enough. I still think that there is too much in that video that we can't see to draw any conclusions one way or another.

Oh, and I am the farthest thing from an apologist for Patti LaBelle. I've got no strong feelings about her either way. I am slightly prejudiced against obnoxious drunks.

He didn't seem obnoxious. I think Patti and her people were actually more obnoxious. You saw the way the bodyguards (one of them being Patti's only son Zuri) standing over him as if they had won a basketball game or some shit? Come on now! I know you can't stand drunks but I just didn't see how he was obnoxious. Even if he was, did that require a beatdown? Hell to the naw. I mean at least you can agree with me on THAT aspect, fuck that he had a few drinks. And then Patti strutting like she didn't know what the fuck was happening. CAUGHT YA GIRL! CAUGHT YA!

robertlove said:

I keep reading it could ruin the guy's carreer, doesn't anybody know why?

They said that someone from the Houston Police Department reported that, and it's turning out it could've been false information, that the dude provoked the actions by punching Zuri Edwards (but the video only showed him pushing him slightly) but it was clear the bodyguards made the first move on him and then proceeded to punch him and push him to the ground where he bled profusely. The false police report also stated the dude yelled at Patti yet it's hard to tell from the video (looks like it may not have happened at all). Instead of seeing the video, they just made this report. Zuri for some reason however said, "I don't wanna press charges". That's where things get fishy. Now this video raises doubts in Zuri's story.

robertlove said:

I keep reading it could ruin the guy's carreer, doesn't anybody know why?

Because West Point is a military school for the best of the best. You have to get sponsored by a US Representative and even then are not guaranteed admittance. They have zero tolerence for inappropriate behavior and unfortunately the police report (which is now under investigation) blamed him for the incident because he was drunk.

When I watched the video, I can't tell if the dude is swerving cause he is drunk or if those are just jumps in the video cause everyone's body movement looks odd due to the jumps.

always the attention whore. Forever and for always...

sosgemini said:

robertlove said:

I keep reading it could ruin the guy's carreer, doesn't anybody know why?

Because West Point is a military school for the best of the best. You have to get sponsored by a US Representative and even then are not guaranteed admittance. They have zero tolerence for inappropriate behavior and unfortunately the police report (which is now under investigation) blamed him for the incident because he was drunk.

When I watched the video, I can't tell if the dude is swerving cause he is drunk or if those are just jumps in the video cause everyone's body movement looks odd due to the jumps.

Yep. That's why it was hard for me to determine if the man was even drunk as they said even if, as he said, he had two drinks so who knows? I mean if he was a rude drunk, you think he would've been kicked out of the airport anyway. That doesn't appear to be the case.

JoeTyler said:

always the attention whore. Forever and for always...

Yeah this video done opened my eyes to how she really is. And then she comes out... ugh... well one thing's for sure, I'll never look at Patti the same way again.

This is your 'Godmother of Soul'. In a festival date with The Isley Brothers in the early Eighties, they called Aretha, 'The Godmother of Soul'. Miss Holt has always wanted and needed a title. She has told many insiders of her insanely jealous feeling for the rave and attention Aretha has gotten over the years.

She stated we were with the same label (Atlantic), had similar songs (debateable) and similar styles (not really).

Patti Labelle (Patricia Louise Holt) has had her biggest successes as a member of a group, ditto for Gladys Knight.

Aretha Franklin has always been a solo act.

Franklin writes, plays piano, has done her own backgrounds on several of her tunes over the years.

Patti LaBelle was in Patti Labelle and The Bluebelles, then it was minus Cyndi Birdsong (who joined The Supremes to replace Florence Ballard) and they became simply - Labelle.

Miss Holt has never clicked with mainstream America the way Miss Franklin has.

Her catalog does not bear out catchy hit tunes. Her biggest song was a duet with Michael McDonald. Her other biggest song was a group song with LaBelle called "Lady Marmalade".

She will never be as relevant as Aretha Franklin, no matter how much she wishes it.

I wonder how she feels now that she has been quoted as saying Franklin told her she has pancreatic cancer.?

She is mouthy and needs to shut the eff up. Perhaps this incident will put enough of a dent in her purse to make her 'think'.

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

always the attention whore. Forever and for always...

Yeah this video done opened my eyes to how she really is. And then she comes out... ugh... well one thing's for sure, I'll never look at Patti the same way again.

RnBAmbassador said:

This is your 'Godmother of Soul'. In a festival date with The Isley Brothers in the early Eighties, they called Aretha, 'The Godmother of Soul'. Miss Holt has always wanted and needed a title. She has told many insiders of her insanely jealous feeling for the rave and attention Aretha has gotten over the years.

She stated we were with the same label (Atlantic), had similar songs (debateable) and similar styles (not really).

Patti Labelle (Patricia Louise Holt) has had her biggest successes as a member of a group, ditto for Gladys Knight.

Aretha Franklin has always been a solo act.

Franklin writes, plays piano, has done her own backgrounds on several of her tunes over the years.

Patti LaBelle was in Patti Labelle and The Bluebelles, then it was minus Cyndi Birdsong (who joined The Supremes to replace Florence Ballard) and they became simply - Labelle.

Miss Holt has never clicked with mainstream America the way Miss Franklin has.

Her catalog does not bear out catchy hit tunes. Her biggest song was a duet with Michael McDonald. Her other biggest song was a group song with LaBelle called "Lady Marmalade".

She will never be as relevant as Aretha Franklin, no matter how much she wishes it.

I wonder how she feels now that she has been quoted as saying Franklin told her she has pancreatic cancer.?

She is mouthy and needs to shut the eff up. Perhaps this incident will put enough of a dent in her purse to make her 'think'.

Timmy84 said:

Yeah this video done opened my eyes to how she really is. And then she comes out... ugh... well one thing's for sure, I'll never look at Patti the same way again.

Yeah I remembered when she said Aretha had pancreatic cancer as if she KNEW it. Then Aretha comes out to perform and looked more like a picture of good health rather than the cancer-riddled star many feared she would be. I mean I'll still enjoy Patti's past material but I just can't look at her the same way again. After 25 years, I might as well just give up my LaBelle fan card for this. Despicable.

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

always the attention whore. Forever and for always...

Yeah this video done opened my eyes to how she really is. And then she comes out... ugh... well one thing's for sure, I'll never look at Patti the same way again.

I feel the same way.I love Patti,but this incident is not a good look for her

SoulAlive said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah this video done opened my eyes to how she really is. And then she comes out... ugh... well one thing's for sure, I'll never look at Patti the same way again.

I feel the same way.I love Patti,but this incident is not a good look for her

Hell I went on her Ticketmaster page and checked some reviews. Apparently when she ain't singing sometimes, she's either eating chicken (YES YOU HEARD RIGHT, EATING SOME DAMN CHICKEN!) or having trouble taking off heels or talking and talking and talking over and over and over again. Then having her background singers do solos while she did whatever it is she did. But yeah this is definitely NOT a good look for her at all.

eating chicken onstage?? During the show??

SoulAlive said:

eating chicken onstage?? During the show??

YES! Eating some fucking fried chicken!

This was her excuse: "I'm a diabetic mess and I'm hungry for some chicken". She also ate some beans. This was late last year.

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I have no basis for thinking this but Patti strikes me as an insufferable harpy shrew. Just the looks of her makes my shoulders tighten. I would not be surprised if she had sent her henchmen after this young man, who by the looks of things wasn't doing anything.

I giggled at him not even knowing who she is...

Timmy84 said:

kitbradley said:

Yeah. I like Patti and all but who dubbed her the Godmother of Soul? The queens who do her hair???

But yeah she's been singing pop and urban AC since 1986. She hasn't sung anything that I could say is "soul music" since, like, 1986... and I'm being real with it.

Sounds like you singing a different tune because of this lawsuit because you seem to be really upset lol

@ video

I dont really know what to say myself, she is clearly in the wrong

but I mean similiar to James Brown this does not take away from her legacy... once again celebrities are not perfect so STOP acting like they are

mjscarousal said:

Timmy84 said:

But yeah she's been singing pop and urban AC since 1986. She hasn't sung anything that I could say is "soul music" since, like, 1986... and I'm being real with it.

Sounds like you singing a different tune because of this lawsuit because you seem to be really upset lol

@ video

I dont really know what to say myself, she is clearly in the wrong

but I mean similiar to James Brown this does not take away from her legacy... once again celebrities are not perfect so STOP acting like they are

Yeah I definitely am. And yeah I'm upset. I mean I can respect her legacy but that was low man...

Timmy84 said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree and it really doesn't appear that the guy was acting crazy in any way.

Exactly. Even if it was hard to tell from the camera's angle, it seems like the entire time he was on his phone minding his business having no clue he was in front of some "diva's" luggage. I think what really made my blood boil was seeing the so-called "Miss Thang" come out of the limo like everything was cool. Maybe she was doing some PR damage. I'm not gonna excuse her behavior just because she's the legendary Patti LaBelle. There's two sides to this woman, there's Patti LaBelle the entertainer and Patricia Louise Edwards (according to court documents, Patti's still using her married surname rather than her maiden name Holt), the woman, and right now both sides have disappointed me. Patti LaBelle now eats chicken in concert and talks all the time and when she does sing, she caterwauls it. Patricia Edwards has menopausal episodes and diabetic problems and instead of really seeking help, she acts as if she's invincible. This video will definitely harm her reputation if only slightly.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Exactly. Even if it was hard to tell from the camera's angle, it seems like the entire time he was on his phone minding his business having no clue he was in front of some "diva's" luggage. I think what really made my blood boil was seeing the so-called "Miss Thang" come out of the limo like everything was cool. Maybe she was doing some PR damage. I'm not gonna excuse her behavior just because she's the legendary Patti LaBelle. There's two sides to this woman, there's Patti LaBelle the entertainer and Patricia Louise Edwards (according to court documents, Patti's still using her married surname rather than her maiden name Holt), the woman, and right now both sides have disappointed me. Patti LaBelle now eats chicken in concert and talks all the time and when she does sing, she caterwauls it. Patricia Edwards has menopausal episodes and diabetic problems and instead of really seeking help, she acts as if she's invincible. This video will definitely harm her reputation if only slightly.

Holy crap. This just made front page of Yahoo. This is horrible news for Labelle. Wow!!!

RnBAmbassador said:

This is your 'Godmother of Soul'. In a festival date with The Isley Brothers in the early Eighties, they called Aretha, 'The Godmother of Soul'. Miss Holt has always wanted and needed a title. She has told many insiders of her insanely jealous feeling for the rave and attention Aretha has gotten over the years.

She stated we were with the same label (Atlantic), had similar songs (debateable) and similar styles (not really).

Patti Labelle (Patricia Louise Holt) has had her biggest successes as a member of a group, ditto for Gladys Knight.

Aretha Franklin has always been a solo act.

Franklin writes, plays piano, has done her own backgrounds on several of her tunes over the years.

Patti LaBelle was in Patti Labelle and The Bluebelles, then it was minus Cyndi Birdsong (who joined The Supremes to replace Florence Ballard) and they became simply - Labelle.

Miss Holt has never clicked with mainstream America the way Miss Franklin has.

Her catalog does not bear out catchy hit tunes. Her biggest song was a duet with Michael McDonald. Her other biggest song was a group song with LaBelle called "Lady Marmalade".

She will never be as relevant as Aretha Franklin, no matter how much she wishes it.

I wonder how she feels now that she has been quoted as saying Franklin told her she has pancreatic cancer.?

She is mouthy and needs to shut the eff up. Perhaps this incident will put enough of a dent in her purse to make her 'think'.

Timmy84 said:

Yeah this video done opened my eyes to how she really is. And then she comes out... ugh... well one thing's for sure, I'll never look at Patti the same way again.

You need to get a grip on reality with your haterade about Patti. Since when has sales had anything to do with relevency? She can balls out sing and the pop crowd has not been interested in real RnB since the mid-70s. If you sound to black you are not going to cross over and that is not such a bad thing.

As far as the tape we have no idea what this guy said to set off the bodyguards and I am not so sure thay beat this dude at her request. We just do not have all of the information.

laurarichardson said:

RnBAmbassador said:

This is your 'Godmother of Soul'. In a festival date with The Isley Brothers in the early Eighties, they called Aretha, 'The Godmother of Soul'. Miss Holt has always wanted and needed a title. She has told many insiders of her insanely jealous feeling for the rave and attention Aretha has gotten over the years.

She stated we were with the same label (Atlantic), had similar songs (debateable) and similar styles (not really).

Patti Labelle (Patricia Louise Holt) has had her biggest successes as a member of a group, ditto for Gladys Knight.

Aretha Franklin has always been a solo act.

Franklin writes, plays piano, has done her own backgrounds on several of her tunes over the years.

Patti LaBelle was in Patti Labelle and The Bluebelles, then it was minus Cyndi Birdsong (who joined The Supremes to replace Florence Ballard) and they became simply - Labelle.

Miss Holt has never clicked with mainstream America the way Miss Franklin has.

Her catalog does not bear out catchy hit tunes. Her biggest song was a duet with Michael McDonald. Her other biggest song was a group song with LaBelle called "Lady Marmalade".

She will never be as relevant as Aretha Franklin, no matter how much she wishes it.

I wonder how she feels now that she has been quoted as saying Franklin told her she has pancreatic cancer.?

She is mouthy and needs to shut the eff up. Perhaps this incident will put enough of a dent in her purse to make her 'think'.

You need to get a grip on reality with your haterade about Patti. Since when has sales had anything to do with relevency? She can balls out sing and the pop crowd has not been interested in real RnB since the mid-70s. If you sound to black you are not going to cross over and that is not such a bad thing.

As far as the tape we have no idea what this guy said to set off the bodyguards and I am not so sure thay beat this dude at her request. We just do not have all of the information.

Have you looked at the charts lately? Both the Hot 100 and the Billboard 200 are dominated by "black" sounding artists.

Patti has had some great records but she's been fairly inconsistent throughout her career and it's very difficult to make a case that she is in the same league as Aretha Franklin. Over the last 25 years she has arguably been more interested in chasing trends rather than releasing strong albums.

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rialb said:

laurarichardson said:

You need to get a grip on reality with your haterade about Patti. Since when has sales had anything to do with relevency? She can balls out sing and the pop crowd has not been interested in real RnB since the mid-70s. If you sound to black you are not going to cross over and that is not such a bad thing.

As far as the tape we have no idea what this guy said to set off the bodyguards and I am not so sure thay beat this dude at her request. We just do not have all of the information.

Have you looked at the charts lately? Both the Hot 100 and the Billboard 200 are dominated by "black" sounding artists.

Patti has had some great records but she's been fairly inconsistent throughout her career and it's very difficult to make a case that she is in the same league as Aretha Franklin. Over the last 25 years she has arguable been more interested in chasing trends rather than releasing strong albums.

And I love Patti's material especially with Labelle and her early solo recordings but she HAS been real inconsistent with her material.

rialb said:

sosgemini said:

How was he acting a fool? By walking across the street?

I'm just saying that if he was drunk, and it looks like he may have been, that may have been a contributing factor. From the video it wasn't clear what happened to set the incident off. If he was being a typical abrasive drunk I have no sympathy for him.

he doesn't look drunk to me. he looks like he's looking up a contact in his phone or texting while he's walking.

that video is disgusting. Patti, her bodyguards, and those cops are done for in this case.

Timmy84 said:

mjscarousal said:

Sounds like you singing a different tune because of this lawsuit because you seem to be really upset lol

@ video

I dont really know what to say myself, she is clearly in the wrong

but I mean similiar to James Brown this does not take away from her legacy... once again celebrities are not perfect so STOP acting like they are

Yeah I definitely am. And yeah I'm upset. I mean I can respect her legacy but that was low man...

I have to basically separate the person and artist these days unless they abuse somebody ie Chris Brown or make racial remarks. These celebs are crazy I try not to get too caught up now

errant said:

that video is disgusting. Patti, her bodyguards, and those cops are done for in this case.

Agreed! This is gonna hit military families hard and those people talk. This could blow up as big as the Dixie Chicks cursing out Bush.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah I definitely am. And yeah I'm upset. I mean I can respect her legacy but that was low man...

I have to basically separate the person and artist these days unless they abuse somebody ie Chris Brown or make racial remarks. These celebs are crazy I try not to get too caught up now

Word!

Shows what happens when inflated egos go out of control...

Sales??? I do not recall mentioning sales in my post - so wtf are you babbling about?

I referenced hits, duh! Hits can be by the amount of BDS and MediaBase detections.

"Respect" by itself probably has more spins than all of Patti LaBelle's catalog of tunes.

rialb said:

laurarichardson said:

You need to get a grip on reality with your haterade about Patti. Since when has sales had anything to do with relevency? She can balls out sing and the pop crowd has not been interested in real RnB since the mid-70s. If you sound to black you are not going to cross over and that is not such a bad thing.

As far as the tape we have no idea what this guy said to set off the bodyguards and I am not so sure thay beat this dude at her request. We just do not have all of the information.

Have you looked at the charts lately? Both the Hot 100 and the Billboard 200 are dominated by "black" sounding artists.

Patti has had some great records but she's been fairly inconsistent throughout her career and it's very difficult to make a case that she is in the same league as Aretha Franklin. Over the last 25 years she has arguably been more interested in chasing trends rather than releasing strong albums.

[Edited 6/4/11 17:13pm]

Patti has in the past come off as kinda scary.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...-Uz5q5g65c

Diana Ross, Patti Labelle and many more take to the stage to sing I wanna Know what love is, its been described as the Infamous Mic Toss

http://www.youtube.com/wa...HW5fYvqVhA

Patti Labelle talks about the infmaous mic toss at the Motown Finale and how she got bad press,

(my computer needs updating. Video image won't transfer over)

that dude hit the limo driver, and in turn got his ass beat down

well deserved, white folks thinking they can just go around and do whatever they want, an dthen sue when they get they ass beat for that white boy frat bullshit - drinking and suckerpunching someone