NaQu said:

Furthermore, I resent how she's downgraded the world of music. Her introduction allowed for other silly, inane cartoony crap like Katy Perry, LMFAO, Taio Cruz, Far East Movement, Nicki Minaj and Ke$ha to come behind her and get spins with shallow music that's even worst than hers, all because it's "fun." And in the meantime how it's forced acts like Usher, Enrique, NeYo and Jennifer Lopez to have to rearrange (i.e. SELLOUT) their sound into something that is less authentic (and frankly inferior to their previous phases) in order to compete in the bizarre, erratic, shallow, sterile, thump-thump music world that Gaga led to prominence.

I think you are being incredibly naive if you believe that Lady Gaga is responsible for the acts you listed above. There was "silly" pop music before Gaga and there will be "silly" pop music after Gaga. Half of those artists released their debut album before Lady Gaga released hers.

I also think it's laughable that you are claiming that Lady Gaga forced Jennifer Lopez to sellout. Do you honestly believe that pre Gaga Lopez was a widely respected artist? You may not like Lady Gaga but I think it's fair to say that she is a much more serious musician than Jennifer Lopez ever was or will be. Usher and Enrique aren't exactly pillars of critical respect either. It's all just pop music. If Lady Gaga is "forcing" those acts to change their sound then what does that say about them? If they are worried about keeping up with what Gaga is doing did they ever have their own sound or were you just a bigger fan of the other artists that they emulated before Gaga?

rialb said:

NaQu said:

Furthermore, I resent how she's downgraded the world of music. Her introduction allowed for other silly, inane cartoony crap like Katy Perry, LMFAO, Taio Cruz, Far East Movement, Nicki Minaj and Ke$ha to come behind her and get spins with shallow music that's even worst than hers, all because it's "fun." And in the meantime how it's forced acts like Usher, Enrique, NeYo and Jennifer Lopez to have to rearrange (i.e. SELLOUT) their sound into something that is less authentic (and frankly inferior to their previous phases) in order to compete in the bizarre, erratic, shallow, sterile, thump-thump music world that Gaga led to prominence.

I think you are being incredibly naive if you believe that Lady Gaga is responsible for the acts you listed above. There was "silly" pop music before Gaga and there will be "silly" pop music after Gaga. Half of those artists released their debut album before Lady Gaga released hers.

I also think it's laughable that you are claiming that Lady Gaga forced Jennifer Lopez to sellout. Do you honestly believe that pre Gaga Lopez was a widely respected artist? You may not like Lady Gaga but I think it's fair to say that she is a much more serious musician than Jennifer Lopez ever was or will be. Usher and Enrique aren't exactly pillars of critical respect either. It's all just pop music. If Lady Gaga is "forcing" those acts to change their sound then what does that say about them? If they are worried about keeping up with what Gaga is doing did they ever have their own sound or were you just a bigger fan of the other artists that they emulated before Gaga?

They ain't even worth the brain power.

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gunner82 said:

Emancipation89 said:

So did Beyonce on Sasha Fierce album. Gaga didn't co-produce the songs on her debut album except one or two songs I believe

I honestly don't believe that Beyonce has done as much producing of her songs as we think. But if she has, that would explain the wackness of her music. I'd take Lady GaGa musically anyday over Beyonce [But in the bedroom, it's most definitely vice-versa ]!!

yeah...I can't change people's perception and honestly, I admit I have some sort of bias towards many so-called "musicians" who supposedly participate in producing or even get credit

for composing songs. But all I want to make sure is that playing an instrument on stage doesn't automatically make someone a musician. Anybody can come up with melody and there have been quite a few respected musicians who never chose to perform on stage with playing an instrument. Not to mention they have been acknowledged as composers/writers/producers as well.

And the fact that gaga didn't participate in producing on Fame except 2 songs which she co-produced, and for BTW album she gets credit for again, co-producing her songs tells me something as well. Really, anybody can learn how to "produce" songs with the same old synthesizer and electronic drum sound, and if it's co-produced, well......lol how the hell am I supposed to know whether you just came up with the beat and kept it going, or actually produced most of the song which, still doesn't get much credit for me because it's still electronic musical instruments on most of the songs, not real instruments. Which make me think it's really not that different from what Will.I.Am or Katy Perry's doing.

Source? Or is it just one of those things gaga fans "just know"?

I think she is great!! She is one of the few making good music right now. There are always haters. Don't sweat em

dandeeland said:

I think she is great!! She is one of the few making good music right now. There are always haters. Don't sweat em

Best response yet.

Emancipation89 said:

gunner82 said:

Probably because Lady Gaga actually writes her material and Beyonce does not.

Source? Or is it just one of those things gaga fans "just know"?

It’s a known fact look at her album credits and she has written for other artists before the fame.

babybugz said:

Emancipation89 said:

Source? Or is it just one of those things gaga fans "just know"?

It’s a known fact look at her album credits and she has written for other artists before the fame.

They meant the fact B doesn't write - I think. Fans just "know" B doesn't write.

Except industry pros and people who've written for B have said so.

Spinlight said:

babybugz said:

It’s a known fact look at her album credits and she has written for other artists before the fame.

They meant the fact B doesn't write - I think. Fans just "know" B doesn't write.

Except industry pros and people who've written for B have said so.

I’m not concern with Beyonce..I think the poster said before that Gaga doesn’t write or something but I’m not really reading everyone response so if the poster didn’t say that than I was mistaken

Spinlight said:

babybugz said:

It’s a known fact look at her album credits and she has written for other artists before the fame.

They meant the fact B doesn't write - I think. Fans just "know" B doesn't write.

Except industry pros and people who've written for B have said so.

I've heard this before. Where does it come from? What evidence is there of Beyonce snatching songwriting credits beyond word of mouth?

Not trying to be creepy. I just have a tendency to memorize certain useless things very well.

Emancipation89 said:

Spinlight said:

They meant the fact B doesn't write - I think. Fans just "know" B doesn't write.

Except industry pros and people who've written for B have said so.

I've heard this before. Where does it come from? What evidence is there of Beyonce snatching songwriting credits beyond word of mouth?

Not trying to be creepy. I just have a tendency to memorize certain useless things very well.

I'm just speculating but I would guess that Beyonce might have a policy that if someone wants her to record one of their songs she automatically gets a writing/producing credit whether she had something to do with the song or not. I don't have any proof but I'm sure that happens with some of the bigger stars.

Kind of along the same subject, Elvis' manager wouldn't let him record anything unless he (Parker) owned a piece of the publishimg rights. Elvis was all set to record Dolly Parton's "I Will Always Love You" but she refused to sign away her share of the publishing rights and Elvis never recorded the song. That's arguably one reason why Elvis recorded so many mediocre songs, he was limited in the material he was able to record.

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this thread need Gaga pictures. I'll start

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Grace Jone, Nina Hagen, Lady Miss Keir, Bjork...like the sands through the hourglass.

Emancipation89 said:

Spinlight said:

They meant the fact B doesn't write - I think. Fans just "know" B doesn't write.

Except industry pros and people who've written for B have said so.

I've heard this before. Where does it come from? What evidence is there of Beyonce snatching songwriting credits beyond word of mouth?

Not trying to be creepy. I just have a tendency to memorize certain useless things very well.

SEANMAN said:

Oh no, Seanman deserted Janet for GaGa?!! Say it isn't so, Seanman, say ot isn't so!

purplethunder3121 said:

SEANMAN said:

Oh no, Seanman deserted Janet for GaGa?!! Say it isn't so, Seanman, say ot isn't so!

I'll NEVER desert Janet . She is still, and will always be here in my And you can believe that when her new stuff drops, I'll be the first to post. I just love giving Gaga her props because she is an amazing artist.

this woman wasn't wrong when she claimed herself the mother-monster...she's ugly as hell!!...and compared 2 her previous looks she seems 2 be getting uglier as the days go by

go2theMax said:

this woman wasn't wrong when she claimed herself the mother-monster...she's ugly as hell!!...and compared 2 her previous looks she seems 2 be getting uglier as the days go by

Why so much hate for Katy Perry much of her singles are well crafted pop songs - unlike the bile that Ga Ga has released lately.

SEANMAN said:

go2theMax said:

this woman wasn't wrong when she claimed herself the mother-monster...she's ugly as hell!!...and compared 2 her previous looks she seems 2 be getting uglier as the days go by

yeah you monsters should stick 2gether! but I'll let this clear, I don't have any prejudice against ugly people, I just don't understand why someone would want look even uglier than they are, still I respect that 2...but then I have my point of view. in a few words, I don't hate ugly people, but I see 'em

go2theMax said:

SEANMAN said:

yeah you monsters should stick 2gether! but I'll let this clear, I don't have any prejudice against ugly people, I just don't understand why someone would want look even uglier than they are, still I respect that 2...but then I have my point of view. in a few words, I don't hate ugly people, but I see 'em

You should really find something constructive to do with your time

NaQu said:

Furthermore, I resent how she's downgraded the world of music. Her introduction allowed for other silly, inane cartoony crap like Katy Perry, LMFAO, Taio Cruz, Far East Movement, Nicki Minaj and Ke$ha to come behind her and get spins with shallow music that's even worst than hers, all because it's "fun." And in the meantime how it's forced acts like Usher, Enrique, NeYo and Jennifer Lopez to have to rearrange (i.e. SELLOUT) their sound into something that is less authentic (and frankly inferior to their previous phases) in order to compete in the bizarre, erratic, shallow, sterile, thump-thump music world that Gaga led to prominence.

lol How old are you?

I don't think she's overrated, but I do think she is overexposed and overhyped. If anything as a musician, singer and a songwriter, she is underrated by people who can't see past the crazy clothes and makeup. I think a lot of the reviews of BTW did not give her credit for what a great album it really was.

However, I do think she is overhyped and overexposed. As I said, I'm a fan, but even I get tired of seeing her picture everywhere and reading endless articles about her. So I can only imagine how casual fans feel. I worry that will hurt her in the long run. I know a lot of it isn't her fault as that is just the way our tabloid and online driven society is now, but I can see how she can get on people's nerves.

The crazy outfits are like a combination of Grace Jones and Madonna in her heyday. Nothing new there. I'm pretty sure Gaga even rocked the "torped titties" in some performance.

As far as her music goes - good ole Stefani Germanotta has a good voice, she can actually sing and play a little piano. And from what I gather, has at least participated in crafting those songs of hers.

Just based on that "Poker Face" atrocity alone, I used to be a major Gaga hater, labeling her an annoying one hit wonder who would soon disappear, hopefully.

But the fact is, that songs like "Alejandro", "Just Dance", "Paparazzi" and "Bad Romance" have some major pop hooks in them, there's no denying that. It's just that...that's pretty much all there is to it. And also, WHY do I get the sense that pretty much everything seems to be stolen or aped from what came before? Like I get the general sense her music lacks originality, not matter how "hooky" it is - unlike Madonna's did. The synth sounds are from 90's Eurodance, the style is from someone else etc.

Not my cup of tea. Maybe it is because I was there to witness Madonna and her raise into superstardom...so Miss Germanotta doesn't impress me that much.

SamSamba said:

The crazy outfits are like a combination of Grace Jones and Madonna in her heyday. Nothing new there. I'm pretty sure Gaga even rocked the "torped titties" in some performance.

As far as her music goes - good ole Stefani Germanotta has a good voice, she can actually sing and play a little piano. And from what I gather, has at least participated in crafting those songs of hers.

Just based on that "Poker Face" atrocity alone, I used to be a major Gaga hater, labeling her an annoying one hit wonder who would soon disappear, hopefully.

But the fact is, that songs like "Alejandro", "Just Dance", "Paparazzi" and "Bad Romance" have some major pop hooks in them, there's no denying that. It's just that...that's pretty much all there is to it. And also, WHY do I get the sense that pretty much everything seems to be stolen or aped from what came before? Like I get the general sense her music lacks originality, not matter how "hooky" it is - unlike Madonna's did. The synth sounds are from 90's Eurodance, the style is from someone else etc.

Not my cup of tea. Maybe it is because I was there to witness Madonna and her raise into superstardom...so Miss Germanotta doesn't impress me that much.

If I may nitpick "Just Dance" was released before "Poker Face." In all likelihood by the time you heard "Poker Face" Gaga was already an annoying two hit wonder.

I like her. In a world of shitty disposable pop music, she manages to inject some energy, difference, and (dare I say it) art into the pop landscape.

Is she treading a path people like Bowie, Prince, and Madonna already blazed? Yes.

But much like Prince did with his influences (Hendrix, Sly, Little Richard, James Brown, The Beatles)...Lady Gaga is making her music relevant/unique for the current crop of teenagers and 20 somethings. She is fun to watch. Is it her fault that the industry is in such a rut that they are going to cling to her and force her down our collective throats? No more so than Madonna before her.

Bottom line: She makes catchy enjoyable pop music. She seems sincerely interesting as a pop star can be, and in this day age, that is something to be applauded.

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gunner82 said:

[Well, I'm back on my bullshit again.... , But I just couldn't resist this one...I also tried to word this as harmless as possible.....I guess ]

I've never really could comment on Lady GaGa because I never really listened to any her her music. But when she moved over a million copies of her new album in a week, I decide to finally give her a listen. So, I downloaded her catalog [thus far] & spent the weekend listening to all of her stuff. IMHO, I feel she's overrated. I'm not saying she sucks or anything, but I don't see her appeal to the level of selling that many records. I honestly feel that she's also ripped off songs that were hits in 80's & 90's too. Her fashion sense doesn't even add up to her music either [imo]. I do respect the fact that she writes & co-writes her songs though.....

I'm prepared to be bashed [This won't the first time ] by all of you Lady GaGa lovers. So tell me your thoughts....Agree or Disagree?

Spellcheck error edit

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SuperDuper overrated. Almost Beyonce-like.

She is most definitely overrated. She has been hyped up because people forgot, miss, or never knew about Madonna and Dale Bozzio and Grace Jones and Boy George and Queen and David Bowie. Her costumes have all been done before, her sound has been done before, her interview style and persona has been done before. She is a copy cat.

HotGritz said:

She is most definitely overrated. She has been hyped up because people forgot, miss, or never knew about... She is a copy cat.

Sounds like my grandma who basically thought Madonna just ripped of Marilyn Monroe and other starlets of a bygone era. Most of the shit out there has been done before...it's just repackaged and new to each generation. I mean, was Nirvana new and different than anything before? Nope just new to kids in the 90's. That's it. That's all that is needed.

HotGritz said:

She is most definitely overrated. She has been hyped up because people forgot, miss, or never knew about Madonna and Dale Bozzio and Grace Jones and Boy George and Queen and David Bowie. Her costumes have all been done before, her sound has been done before, her interview style and persona has been done before. She is a copy cat.

You're old and out of touch. You weren't the intended audience anyway.