TotalAlisa said:

ratchetchan said:

Oh girl SHUT up. Beyoncé is the best singer, period.

LMFAOOOO @ Christina, a so-called "soprano" who can't even belt a D5 without sounding disgusting. And Adele. We're gonna leave that bitch right where she is cause it ain't like we can move her.

SUPER LMAOOOOOOO @ nobody cares, then listing artists like Erykah Badu and Jill Scott, two artists who have never notched a number one single or album. Clearly those bitches might as well be dead, since "nobody cares" about Beyoncé, yet she's outsold them both combined.

this is why beyonce's fans have a bad rep

A lot of peoples fans have bad reputations and it's pretty fucked up.

KidaDynamite said:

TotalAlisa said:

this is why beyonce's fans have a bad rep

A lot of peoples fans have bad reputations and it's pretty fucked up.

beys fans has the worst, not only that it said people who listen to beyonce's music generally have lower IQ and i have seen one to many ignorant people who were beyonce fans

TotalAlisa said:

KidaDynamite said:

A lot of peoples fans have bad reputations and it's pretty fucked up.

beys fans has the worst, not only that it said people who listen to beyonce's music generally have lower IQ and i have seen one to many ignorant people who were beyonce fans

Well, I've never heard that but I assure I've seen MUCH worse than Beyonce fans and I've got people to back me up on this. Beyonce does have her crazy fans and who doesn't but they aren't the worst but that is just my humble opinion.

I feel like I'm watching a hoodrat fight on WSHH....oh NVM it's just a flamboyant Beyonce stan attacking someone else for their opinion.

That IQ list.

http://musicthatmakesyoud.../music.php

Mainly, the artists that black people would stereotypically listen to are at the bottom. There are a few exceptions though.

& black people having lower IQs has less to do with what music they listen to and more to do with their socioeconomic status.

StillDirrty said:

That IQ list.

http://musicthatmakesyoud.../music.php

Mainly, the artists that black people would stereotypically listen to are at the bottom. There are a few exceptions though.

& black people having lower IQs has less to do with what music they listen to and more to do with their socioeconomic status.

agree.....

i don't really believe the thing about beyonce fans lowr IQ, i just wish they would calm down.

But I do wonder why somone with a high IQ would want to listen to Lil Wayne

TotalAlisa said:

StillDirrty said:

That IQ list.

http://musicthatmakesyoud.../music.php

Mainly, the artists that black people would stereotypically listen to are at the bottom. There are a few exceptions though.

& black people having lower IQs has less to do with what music they listen to and more to do with their socioeconomic status.

agree.....

i don't really believe the thing about beyonce fans lowr IQ, i just wish they would calm down.

But I do wonder why somone with a high IQ would want to listen to Lil Wayne

LOL, true.

TotalAlisa said:

StillDirrty said:

That IQ list.

http://musicthatmakesyoud.../music.php

Mainly, the artists that black people would stereotypically listen to are at the bottom. There are a few exceptions though.

& black people having lower IQs has less to do with what music they listen to and more to do with their socioeconomic status.

agree.....

i don't really believe the thing about beyonce fans lowr IQ, i just wish they would calm down.

But I do wonder why somone with a high IQ would want to listen to Lil Wayne

LOLOL.

Talent has never been an issue with Beyonce.

It's those WEAK ass songs of hers.

She really needs 2 spend more time finding Quality material 2 sing.

That talent is what makes these WEAK song work in the 1st place.

Graycap23 said:

Talent has never been an issue with Beyonce.

It's those WEAK ass songs of hers.

She really needs 2 spend more time finding Quality material 2 sing.

That talent is what makes these WEAK song work in the 1st place.

This I can agree with.

Graycap23 said:

Talent has never been an issue with Beyonce.

It's those WEAK ass songs of hers.

She really needs 2 spend more time finding Quality material 2 sing.

That talent is what makes these WEAK song work in the 1st place.

talent when compared to rihanna, britney, kesha, ect

but when you put her up next to mariah, janet and whitneyyy in their prime, you can noticed the difference.

beyonce does has some talent, but its nothing more then if anyone had the same amount of practice and vocal training as any other person

TotalAlisa said:

Graycap23 said:

Talent has never been an issue with Beyonce.

It's those WEAK ass songs of hers.

She really needs 2 spend more time finding Quality material 2 sing.

That talent is what makes these WEAK song work in the 1st place.

talent when compared to rihanna, britney, kesha, ect

but when you put her up next to mariah, janet and whitneyyy in their prime, you can noticed the difference.

beyonce does has some talent, but its nothing more then if anyone had the same amount of practice and vocal training as any other person

whew lawd.

KidaDynamite said:

TotalAlisa said:

talent when compared to rihanna, britney, kesha, ect

but when you put her up next to mariah, janet and whitneyyy in their prime, you can noticed the difference.

beyonce does has some talent, but its nothing more then if anyone had the same amount of practice and vocal training as any other person

whew lawd.

Graycap23 said:

KidaDynamite said:

whew lawd.

TotalAlisa said:

Graycap23 said:

Talent has never been an issue with Beyonce.

It's those WEAK ass songs of hers.

She really needs 2 spend more time finding Quality material 2 sing.

That talent is what makes these WEAK song work in the 1st place.

talent when compared to rihanna, britney, kesha, ect

but when you put her up next to mariah, janet and whitneyyy in their prime, you can noticed the difference.

beyonce does has some talent, but its nothing more then if anyone had the same amount of practice and vocal training as any other person

I don't even know what to say lol Mariah and Whitney are the kind of singers that are incomparable so we don't even need to mention them.

That's like saying because there are at least 2 singers that are not just better than Beyonce but amazing world class singers, then Beyonce should just be disregarded. But no, not really.

As much as we all may like Janet, her dancing, her songs, her image etc.. lets not say that she's a better singer than Beyonce. Come on now lol

Also, Graycap (and others) what kind of tracks do you feel Beyonce should be singing to maximise her potential? Like, specific tracks?

Japha11 said:

TotalAlisa said:

talent when compared to rihanna, britney, kesha, ect

but when you put her up next to mariah, janet and whitneyyy in their prime, you can noticed the difference.

beyonce does has some talent, but its nothing more then if anyone had the same amount of practice and vocal training as any other person

I don't even know what to say lol Mariah and Whitney are the kind of singers that are incomparable so we don't even need to mention them.

That's like saying because there are at least 2 singers that are not just better than Beyonce but amazing world class singers, then Beyonce should just be disregarded. But no, not really.

As much as we all may like Janet, her dancing, her songs, her image etc.. lets not say that she's a better singer than Beyonce. Come on now lol

Also, Graycap (and others) what kind of tracks do you feel Beyonce should be singing to maximise her potential? Like, specific tracks?

technically speaking YES janet is a better dancer, and performer.

Yes if we put the whole package, songs, dancing and image, JANET career and catalog stomps out beyonce.

I was NOT speaking just about singing, because Mariah and whitney can't dance, but you forgot to mention that.

Beyonce tries to sing and dance and yes she is Good at both, BUT NOT extraordinary. Its like either you can really sing, or dance really well.

There is no in between for me. Cause at the end of the day, when i wanna her someone blow, i go listen to the real singers like whitney/mariah. And when i really want to see some innovating dance videos, I would look at janet jackson.

Beyonce doesn't go beyond her comfort zone, which is cooching poopin, booty shaking, and yelling.

TotalAlisa said:

Japha11 said:

I don't even know what to say lol Mariah and Whitney are the kind of singers that are incomparable so we don't even need to mention them.

That's like saying because there are at least 2 singers that are not just better than Beyonce but amazing world class singers, then Beyonce should just be disregarded. But no, not really.

As much as we all may like Janet, her dancing, her songs, her image etc.. lets not say that she's a better singer than Beyonce. Come on now lol

Also, Graycap (and others) what kind of tracks do you feel Beyonce should be singing to maximise her potential? Like, specific tracks?

technically speaking YES janet is a better dancer, and performer.

Yes if we put the whole package, songs, dancing and image, JANET career and catalog stomps out beyonce.

I was NOT speaking just about singing, because Mariah and whitney can't dance, but you forgot to mention that.

Beyonce tries to sing and dance and yes she is Good at both, BUT NOT extraordinary. Its like either you can really sing, or dance really well.

There is no in between for me. Cause at the end of the day, when i wanna her someone blow, i go listen to the real singers like whitney/mariah. And when i really want to see some innovating dance videos, I would look at janet jackson.

Beyonce doesn't go beyond her comfort zone, which is cooching poopin, booty shaking, and yelling.

Well you mentioned Mariah and Whitney and I said there's no need to because they are out of anyones league, and you say they're not dancers so you are in fact comparing the voices. With Janet you're comparing performing and dancing but not singing because Beyonce kills her there so I don't really see where you're going because although she isn't a textbook dancer she can dance and has stage presence.

I think Janet is good, talented, entertaining. Janet Jackson concert or Beyonce concert? Beyonce, cause she can saaang (I don't care what people say, I know she can) and she performs really well, unless I'm just dumb and need to be sectioned?

Japha11 said:

TotalAlisa said:

technically speaking YES janet is a better dancer, and performer.

Yes if we put the whole package, songs, dancing and image, JANET career and catalog stomps out beyonce.

I was NOT speaking just about singing, because Mariah and whitney can't dance, but you forgot to mention that.

Beyonce tries to sing and dance and yes she is Good at both, BUT NOT extraordinary. Its like either you can really sing, or dance really well.

There is no in between for me. Cause at the end of the day, when i wanna her someone blow, i go listen to the real singers like whitney/mariah. And when i really want to see some innovating dance videos, I would look at janet jackson.

Beyonce doesn't go beyond her comfort zone, which is cooching poopin, booty shaking, and yelling.

Well you mentioned Mariah and Whitney and I said there's no need to because they are out of anyones league, and you say they're not dancers so you are in fact comparing the voices. With Janet you're comparing performing and dancing but not singing because Beyonce kills her there so I don't really see where you're going because although she isn't a textbook dancer she can dance and has stage presence.

I think Janet is good, talented, entertaining. Janet Jackson concert or Beyonce concert? Beyonce, cause she can saaang (I don't care what people say, I know she can) and she performs really well, unless I'm just dumb and need to be sectioned?

Nah, you have "co-signer" in me. But I am just one of those "Bey stans" that everyone thinks is
crazy and out of my mind so...my agreeing won't mean much in the scheme of things. Now keep in mind, you're talking to a former Bey/DC fan in Alisa so it's not like she don't get what Bey does, she's just not "impressed" with it.

Like you said, it don't matter if she's not better than WH or MC, but even with that, I can appreciate and does appreciate what she brings to the table. But since Bey has 16 grammys, more than MC and WH combine, there is going to be heavy scrunity on her work and talent than it would be on say.....Rihanna.

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LOL. How fast did this turn into a Beyonce vs (insert artist(s) thread?

What did I think of the song? Meh... nothing special. She can sing, but she can't SANG.

I liked the little kid wagging his finger like, "No no no. You shouldn't be filming this".

It's like the kid is Little Prince.

Japha11 said:

TotalAlisa said:

technically speaking YES janet is a better dancer, and performer.

Yes if we put the whole package, songs, dancing and image, JANET career and catalog stomps out beyonce.

I was NOT speaking just about singing, because Mariah and whitney can't dance, but you forgot to mention that.

Beyonce tries to sing and dance and yes she is Good at both, BUT NOT extraordinary. Its like either you can really sing, or dance really well.

There is no in between for me. Cause at the end of the day, when i wanna her someone blow, i go listen to the real singers like whitney/mariah. And when i really want to see some innovating dance videos, I would look at janet jackson.

Beyonce doesn't go beyond her comfort zone, which is cooching poopin, booty shaking, and yelling.

Well you mentioned Mariah and Whitney and I said there's no need to because they are out of anyones league, and you say they're not dancers so you are in fact comparing the voices. With Janet you're comparing performing and dancing but not singing because Beyonce kills her there so I don't really see where you're going because although she isn't a textbook dancer she can dance and has stage presence.

I think Janet is good, talented, entertaining. Janet Jackson concert or Beyonce concert? Beyonce, cause she can saaang (I don't care what people say, I know she can) and she performs really well, unless I'm just dumb and need to be sectioned?

Beyonce sings and dance, so im comparing her to singers and dancers.

beyonce does NOT have the technique to dance like janet and that is a fact, if she was capable you better believe she would have ALREADY brought it. The same way you feel mariah or whitney are better singers, I not only feel, but Its a fact janet is a better dancer then beyonce.

When I mention whitney,mariah and janet. What im saying is they ALL are on top of their game, Whitney/mariah ONLY SING, and Janet does have a nice tone stays on key, BUT SHE DANCES. They are ON TOP of their craft. Beyonce is all over the place and does not master one. That is my whole point. Its NOT about just singing, its about DANCING too.

Beyonce can sing ALRIGHT, she can dance ALRIGHT. if im going to a concert for singing im going for whitney or mariah, if im going for dancing it will be janet.

Im not saying she doesn't have any talent, what im saying is she does not master any craft, not in singing or dancing.

Janet is on the same level as mariah and whitney, just in a different way. Just like mariah and whitney can sing, they can't dance, NOR really perform. Janet doesn't have the greatest voice but she can dance/entertain, and have an amazing catalog and video catalog. She is beats them out on stage, image and videos, but they beat her out vocally. BUT having vocals doesn't mean someone is more talented then someone else who can dance and perform. Those talents (dancing/singing) are equal in my eyes, you just got to be extremely good at either or. If you feel having vocals makes someone's talent superior to another person who can dance thats your opinion.

So if you don't get what im saying by now, then im done. Just don't try to take away from janet because she doesn't holler, yell, and coochie pop across stage.

this is something whitney Nor mariah could do, not even beyonce. (this isn't even the best example cause im being to lazy to look but here)

people try to take away janet's talents, for whatever reason, mostly due to ignorance, we all know anyone listening to rihanna and beyonce don't really know much about janet. But its like when janet's time on this earth is up, THEN YOU WILL SEE everyone trying to be a Janet fan. Just how they did with MJ.

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RodeoSchro said:

I liked the little kid wagging his finger like, "No no no. You shouldn't be filming this".

It's like the kid is Little Prince.

That's her nephew.

Japha11 said:

TotalAlisa said:

talent when compared to rihanna, britney, kesha, ect

but when you put her up next to mariah, janet and whitneyyy in their prime, you can noticed the difference.

beyonce does has some talent, but its nothing more then if anyone had the same amount of practice and vocal training as any other person

I don't even know what to say lol Mariah and Whitney are the kind of singers that are incomparable so we don't even need to mention them.

That's like saying because there are at least 2 singers that are not just better than Beyonce but amazing world class singers, then Beyonce should just be disregarded. But no, not really.

As much as we all may like Janet, her dancing, her songs, her image etc.. lets not say that she's a better singer than Beyonce. Come on now lol

Also, Graycap (and others) what kind of tracks do you feel Beyonce should be singing to maximise her potential? Like, specific tracks?

if we are going to be calling beyonce a legend/icon, we need to compare her to the legends/ icons.

She is just not on par. Either she needs to be stepping up her dance skills, or vocal skills. Then get a better music and video catalog.

I expected more from her especially since she has been around 10 plus years.

someone is not as good of a singer as whitney/mariah, and doesn't have dance skills/videos as janet jackson. Then what do they have???? a MEDIOCRE CAREER. a fraudulent career, using other artist blue print. Im not going to bite the bait anymore, cause its not enough. You will see what im talking about in a few years.

if people think im taking this all personal and whatnot, im NOT im just running my mouth

KidaDynamite said:

Graycap23 said:

I know, I know.

VelvetJ said:

I reluctantly watched the clip and though I don't think it was bad, my opinion of her has not changed. Her "talent " sounds and looks like a result of work and training. There is nothing natural about this woman. EVERY NOTE out of her mouth sounds FORCED! Also, as someone who was raised around great singers, it tickles me when people are impressed when a Singer can sing live without machines. It is just testimony of how low the standards are for singers today.

Can you sing?

KidaDynamite said:

VelvetJ said:

I reluctantly watched the clip and though I don't think it was bad, my opinion of her has not changed. Her "talent " sounds and looks like a result of work and training. There is nothing natural about this woman. EVERY NOTE out of her mouth sounds FORCED! Also, as someone who was raised around great singers, it tickles me when people are impressed when a Singer can sing live without machines. It is just testimony of how low the standards are for singers today.

Can you sing?

Me thinks Heel No. (shower and singing along dont count chump)

KidaDynamite said:

VelvetJ said:

I reluctantly watched the clip and though I don't think it was bad, my opinion of her has not changed. Her "talent " sounds and looks like a result of work and training. There is nothing natural about this woman. EVERY NOTE out of her mouth sounds FORCED! Also, as someone who was raised around great singers, it tickles me when people are impressed when a Singer can sing live without machines. It is just testimony of how low the standards are for singers today.

Can you sing?

they have ears

TotalAlisa said:

KidaDynamite said:

Can you sing?

they have ears

doesnt mean they have proper judgement.

TotalAlisa said:

Japha11 said:

I don't even know what to say lol Mariah and Whitney are the kind of singers that are incomparable so we don't even need to mention them.

That's like saying because there are at least 2 singers that are not just better than Beyonce but amazing world class singers, then Beyonce should just be disregarded. But no, not really.

As much as we all may like Janet, her dancing, her songs, her image etc.. lets not say that she's a better singer than Beyonce. Come on now lol

Also, Graycap (and others) what kind of tracks do you feel Beyonce should be singing to maximise her potential? Like, specific tracks?

if we are going to be calling beyonce a legend/icon, we need to compare her to the legends/ icons.

She is just not on par. Either she needs to be stepping up her dance skills, or vocal skills. Then get a better music and video catalog.

I expected more from her especially since she has been around 10 plus years.

someone is not as good of a singer as whitney/mariah, and doesn't have dance skills/videos as janet jackson. Then what do they have???? a MEDIOCRE CAREER. a fraudulent career, using other artist blue print. Im not going to bite the bait anymore, cause its not enough. You will see what im talking about in a few years.

if people think im taking this all personal and whatnot, im NOT im just running my mouth

Totally get what you're saying and that Janet dance break is great but you're still saying "If you can't sing like Whitney AND dance like Janet you're just ok, mediocre and fake". If anything you've contradicted yourself.

If Whitney's and Mariah's voice make them a 100% star and Janet's dancing makes her a 100% star that's still only one half of being a performer succeeded for all 3 of those artists. Whereas is Beyonce can do both (and she does them well, not 'average'.. I won't move on that lol) then that makes her a bigger star then? By your definition?

I'm not taking it personal either 'jussayin'. I think we'll agree to disagree