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Succeeding In Music (The Lefsetz Letter)

An interesting read for those who like opinions on how the sausage is made.

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1. Why

Why do you want to be a successful musician?

A. Money

There are a lot easier ways to get rich than playing music. You’re better off writing an app, or finishing college and entering the banking sector. If you’re playing music to get rich, you’re a chump. Or else you have no other advantages, no other skills. And the odds of success if this is true are incredibly long. It’s like being poor and uneducated and desiring to be a professional athlete.

B. Fame

Used to be, music was a good route to fame. But now it’s not incredibly difficult to get on a reality TV series and many people featured on TMZ or Radar have no talent at all. Paris Hilton perfected this paradigm and the Kardashian sisters have refined it. If your only desire is to be known by everybody else, it’s a full time job leaving little time for practicing and there are easier outlets to media than playing music.

C. Talent

Society is rife with talented people who have not been successful in their chosen fields.
Because success is about more than talent. It’s about hard work and perseverance.

D. Creative outlet

You’ve got so many ideas inside that you need to express. You’ve got a belief that other members of the public will resonate. That they’ll feel the same way or look to you for instruction. This is a good reason to become a musician. But this outlook is worthless without musical skill and hard work and perseverance.

E. A desire to prove something

Maybe to your parents or schoolmates, that you’re not a loser. This has got little to do with music, but tons to do with motivation. And motivation is key to making it.



2. Outlets

A. Television

This is where those with vocal talent and good looks go to seek fame. Possibly a little money, but fame primarily. It’s anathema to artists, a gold mine to those who don’t know what artistry is. If you go on television many will know your name, it’s the easiest way to reach a lot of people quickly. If you win, or come close to it, businessmen will put money behind your career and try to profit off of it, which will hopefully make you more famous, but may not make you a hell of a lot more rich. Television breeds instant ubiquity. And almost nothing which is instantly ubiquitous lasts. Which is why that guy Screech from "Saved By The Bell" is broke and we had a rush of TV stars holding up 7-11’s.

TV makes music look small. To truly succeed long term, music must look big. Dave Matthews

Band and U2 lose their charisma on television, but they appear giant in person. It’s one thing to utilize television as the cherry on top, to take an already established career to bigger heights. But if you start on television, your career will probably be brief. Just like all those acts who made it via MTV videos. We’re used to an endless smorgasbord on television. We remember the names, but we don’t want to see them.

B. Major record label deal

This is first and foremost about money. For the label. But they spend to make it and what’s thrown off, if they’re successful, is fame and money. So if you’re interested in those two, a major label is not a bad way to go. But despite the spending of money, you might still go unrecognized. And like every boss, the major label demands control. True artists are uncontrollable. So a major label is a bad fit.

C. Independent

If you’re a true artist, it’s the only way to go. But success, if it comes, will be slow. Fame will be limited. Money will be short. It’s about building, persevering.



3. Choices

A. Kickstarter

There’s nothing wrong with raising money from your fans. But don’t expect once you’re through with your project anybody but fans will care. Don’t see patronage as a way to build to the next level, but to survive on the one you’re at.

B. iTunes

You can’t survive on selling music, you can’t make any real money, unless people already know who you are. And this means you’ve got to give it away for free. Whether that be appearing on a TV show or streaming your music on your Website or offering free MP3 downloads. The issue is obscurity. Before you attack monetary issues, worry about getting noticed. Today your calling card is your music. An innovative video is done seemingly every day. We’re implored to check something out ad infinitum. Unless you’ve got virality, unless people can check you out for free, you’re doomed.



4. Who makes it

A. Those who desire it most. It’s just that simple. Major labels want someone who works. Anybody who’s going to invest in you wants to believe you’re going to work around the clock. And if there are no investors, if you’re doing it yourself, you must work around the clock.

B. Those pushed by the system. TV can make stars overnight. Major labels can get beat-infused acts on Top Forty radio, which a large number of people listen to. Neither of these paradigms has much to do with music.

C. Those with great music. Great music is different from what’s out there already. It can

percolate for years before it hits the tipping point. It might never hit the tipping point. It hits the tipping point primarily because its fans spread the word. TV contests are only about voices. Major labels are only about Top Forty music. They’re not about true artistic greatness, certainly if it doesn’t sound just like everything else.



5. Problems

A. Too many people who are not about music are clogging up the system, making it more difficult for artists to be noticed.

B. Major media, although dying, reaches more people than anything else, and is interested in artistry last. Major media is interested in train-wreck value, hopefully sold by a trusted source, i.e. the major label, the TV network, those with mainstream track records.

C. There is no filter for artistry.



6. Avenues for artistic success

A. Television, major labels and major media come last. It’s all about building a fan base, which initially no one may recognize the size of but you. But if you’ve truly got a fan base, promoters will want to work with you, because they’re all about selling tickets and booze, and if you can get bodies in the building, they’re interested. AEG and Live Nation are interested last. Because they’re about the money. Since you’re about artistry, those who will help you will probably be living for the music too, the club booker making bupkes, the person in a lousy job who lives to spread your music. Enable these people.

B. Since you’re an artist, you’re probably a lousy salesman. Focus on the music more than dunning potential fans. If you Tweet, make it about your personality, your viewpoint, not about selling. Hook people on who you are, not the fact that you’re frustrated you’re broke and want to make it.



7. The way it was

A. Used to be major labels were interested in signing artists, believing people would resonate with the music if they were exposed to it. Radio was open to this artistry, as was print media. And the public trusted both. Now the major label is interested in money and money only. And if you don’t believe this is true, you haven’t checked out Lyor Cohen or Irving Azoff’s salaries, running companies that lose money making millions for themselves. They could invest this money in breaking artists, but why sacrifice? The moguls of yore might have been crooks, but they were passionate music people. And they promoted what they were passionate about. But today’s music executives want to be rich and famous too. Otherwise, explain to me why Jimmy Iovine gets so much airtime on "American Idol". Yes, the executives are as bad as the wannabe acts, artistry comes last. And the public tunes out. TV shows are not about music, but competition, no different from sports, with winners and losers. Whereas artistry is never about competition, other than losers trying to illustrate to the rest of the world that they are winners.



8. The future

In order for artistry to triumph, our whole nation must change. Inner values as opposed to bank accounts must be seen as number one. But they’re not. Money not only changes everything, it trumps everything. You can’t criticize someone who is rich, you can only be pissed off that you’re not rich too. If you criticize someone’s art, the agent, manager and label will respond by saying LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY’RE MAKING! Bon Jovi hasn’t written a decent song in decades, he’s the biggest touring act, don’t you think that’s a problem? Lady GaGa is a big star, but her music doesn’t sound much different from everybody else’s music. She’s selling the trappings, and shock value.

This history of modern music was written by outsiders with something to prove. And once they were successful and realized fame and money still didn’t solve their problems, once they were anointed by the masses, they just couldn’t do that thing that got us all heated up in the first place. Which is why Bruce Springsteen hasn’t done anything of note in decades. Experience and talent count, but not as much as drive, with a desire to prove.

So if you’re entering the music game, honestly appraise where you’re coming from, who you are. If you’re truly all about the music, if you’re truly an artist, chances are you’re gonna starve for a really long time, if not forever. You may not give up, but the fact that you’ve worked forever still does not mean you’re great. Greatness comes from the damaged testing limits because they just don’t give a crap. So I’m gonna be homeless and have no teeth and die at a young age? If you want creature comforts, if you want a safety net, you’re probably not going to make it, even

though you practice all day long. Because we’re interested in something elusive, from the outside, a perspective that might be in our hearts but that we are unwilling to live. Can you risk playing original music instead of covers? Can you risk sounding like nothing else? And can you be so interesting, so good that people start following you anyway?

Used to be there was a whole system, a whole apparatus there to help you.

Now, you’re on your own.

http://lefsetz.com/wordpr...-in-music/

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Reply #1 posted 05/23/11 2:52pm

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Response from Sandra St. Victor.

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Subject: Re: Succeeding In Music

Hey Bob,

On point. I just read an article on music think tank a week or so ago that told artists "don't be afraid to be annoying". I saved the link because I was so against that idea, but I thought, maybe I need to re-read it. Maybe I'll be convinced. But nope. Still not convinced. Selling myself is not something I feel comfortable with, so going to the point of annoying people with my sales pitch constantly is out of the question. Thanks for further validating that feeling.

Sandra St. Victor

http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/

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Reply #2 posted 05/23/11 2:58pm

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Interesting. Thanks, tA. smile

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Reply #3 posted 05/23/11 4:50pm

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While I generally agree with Lefsetz's point of view that musicians should care about making music more than making money, his email rants about how to succeed in business (I subscribe too!) sound like the voice of a bitter old man who's angry at these kids on his lawn.

It’s one thing to utilize television as the cherry on top, to take an already established career to bigger heights. But if you start on television, your career will probably be brief. Just like all those acts who made it via MTV videos. We’re used to an endless smorgasbord on television. We remember the names, but we don’t want to see them.

Among the acts I can think of who "made it via MTV videos" are Duran Duran, the Cure, Nirvana, Guns N Roses, and the guy we're all here to talk about. Even Pearl Jam, who refused to make videos after their first album, were made famous by their videos - famous enough to make demands about what they would and wouldn't do.

Since you’re about artistry, those who will help you will probably be living for the music too, the club booker making bupkes, the person in a lousy job who lives to spread your music. Enable these people.

That is the WORST advice I have ever heard for a young, green, right-minded band headed into the professional arena. "Just trust everyone who's interested in you!!"

It's not like the 80s hardcore scene anymore, where you're booking gigs with teenagers whose dad is in the Elks Lodge, and he thinks he can get the Elks Hall for the night and hopefully the cops won't shut it down. And that's the only way to make a show happen, to go out on a wing and a prayer.

My touring band got stiffed by little clubs with nice people running them MORE than we did at the big pro pads, because the pro pads know their reputation is on the line and if they stiff some little band for $300 they may not get the next big show from that agent. The little clubs just, well, the nice people would sometimes literally START CRYING when we went to settle up. I'm sure they had nice intentions. But damn it if we're busting our asses for $300 a night and paying $200 in gas and motel 6, and then we don't it get it a couple nights in a row, we need to start reading the HELP WANTED signs if we're ever gonna make it back to LA!

Just because YOU are "about artistry" don't take the leap that everyone interested in you has the same commitment. Even if they do... Artists are notoriously bad at managing their own personal affairs. Have SOME sense of professionalism if you are even approaching a pro situation.

Used to be major labels were interested in signing artists, believing people would resonate with the music if they were exposed to it. Radio was open to this artistry, as was print media. And the public trusted both. Now the major label is interested in money and money only.

Ah yes, the good old days of the great record men, and unicorns. Men who BELIEVED in artisty! Men like David Geffen, one of the greatest old-school record men of all, who sued Neil Young for not sounding enough like himself after three albums in a row failed to turn to gold. Men like Saul Zaentz, proprietor of Fantasy Records, who sued John Fogerty for sounding TOO MUCH like himself. Men like Clive Davis, the living legend, pillar of the community, who threw Kelly Clarkson under the bus when she failed to bend far enough over. Never mind all that - THEY BELIEVED!!!!

Yeah OK, to some extent labels like Warner Bros hung in there for their chosen acts' first three or four releases until they caught fire, or kept em on even if they never did catch fire. I'm glad there were outlets for people like Capt Beefheart and Ry Cooder in the major label 70s scene. And to some extent, FM rock radio used to be less stringent about its playlist than it is now, where the stations advertise "you know EVERY SONG WE PLAY.")

But that ended in the 70s. I'm not aware of too many acts since then who have made it to a 3rd record on a major without big time buzz.

His rants are interesting on once in a while but man is he in unicorn land! But I have to remember this is a guy who wrote an extensive post about a touring revue starring Michael McDonald, Boz Scaggs and Donald Fagen doing old R&B covers and described it as "the future of music." lol

Anyway thanks for posting, that got me good & worked up!

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Timmy84 said:

Interesting. Thanks, tA. smile

You're most welcome.

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bobzilla77 said:

While I generally agree with Lefsetz's point of view that musicians should care about making music more than making money, his email rants about how to succeed in business (I subscribe too!) sound like the voice of a bitter old man who's angry at these kids on his lawn.

Anyway thanks for posting, that got me good & worked up!

You're welcome...I think. lol

Yeah, he's an opinionated guy to say the least.

But you take what you can use and leave the rest.

Some of the folks that respond to his posts are quite surprising.

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