Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Music in general is going to die out soon imo.

The way people are talking in these threads, it died about three, four years ago.

Lol it ‘s true though just the way tours are not selling anymore even though Gaga manage to do well with her tour people are just worrying about other things. Music is taking a backseat.

IMPOSSIBLE

Thriller was the apex of the golden days of "the industry/vynil" + "heavily promoted singles" + "the early MTV fascination"

it won't happen again, not in this Internet era, we have seen it all, hell even 00's kids have seen it all...

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

The way people are talking in these threads, it died about three, four years ago.

Lol it ‘s true though just the way tours are not selling anymore even though Gaga manage to do well with her tour people are just worrying about other things. Music is taking a backseat.

Music has taken a backseat for a good minute, which is what I don't get. People's worries are getting the better of them. Also, you have to take into account that the industry itself are just a bunch of lazy, money-whoring idiots that don't get music's real value so they sell junk...or try to, to get people's attention.

V10LETBLUES said:

silverchild said:

The difference between the past and present of the music industry is that we only had radio, television, and an abundance of record stores. Now, we have many trying to imitate, upstage and challenge what this young brave soul was fighting for nearly 30 years ago. Furthermore, I also think that all of these markets such as Google, Amazon, and Apple are part the reason as to why the music business and industry is becoming defunct and even more watered down today. Hell, look at all of these singing competitions, YouTube, etc. Anybody, anywhere can get into this industry easily. The only difference is that back in the day, it was all about survival and strife to be known. As technology is getting advanced, this industry is getting pummeled by images instead of true talents. That's just the way it is. It's a game. PERIOD! Everything is programmed now and "easy".

Thriller being surpassed? NOPE. That was a definite game changer and a one-time thing that will never happen again. Michael reinvented the industry, for better or for worse and nobody could doubt it. The music video market had never been able to be as expansive and forward-thinking, but Michael pushed the envelope and it nearly costed him his life and career. None of us will ever know what that is about.

I disagree. MJ changed nothing. MTV did. It was also a convergence. A good record did not hurt matters either.

But a convergence and the ability for music media to once again be sold through concentrated channels that can once again be the mainstream thoroughfare is upon us once again. It may be difficult for some to see right now, but it's right under our nose.

Same game different names now. The business has adjusted, now the players that got it right are starting to show. Netfllix, iTunes, Amazon, Google.......

I don't know why orgers are debating with you on that issue, considering your prior posts about the King MJ , you simply don't like him....

@ you talking about Justin diapers beating the record thriller... It's not going to happen dear...

Also, we can't forget the fact that Thriller was the first modern crossover album, it has (had) something for everybody (funk, ballads, rock, pop, dance, etc.). It's the ultimate crossover album of all time. Purple Rain, Like a Prayer and Come On Over come close, but Thriller owns them all.

JoeTyler said:

Also, we can't forget the fact that Thriller was the first modern crossover album, it has (had) something for everybody (funk, ballads, rock, pop, dance, etc.). It's the ultimate crossover album of all time. Purple Rain, Like a Prayer and Come On Over come close, but Thriller owns them all.

Preach ............

JoeTyler said:

Also, we can't forget the fact that Thriller was the first modern crossover album, it has (had) something for everybody (funk, ballads, rock, pop, dance, etc.). It's the ultimate crossover album of all time. Purple Rain, Like a Prayer and Come On Over come close, but Thriller owns them all.

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner. EVERY album that has come out SINCE Thriller has tried that same crossover appeal. Sure you can say the multi-genre thing was done before (Stevie Wonder and Todd Rundgren would be the first to tell you they came up with it) but after the massive COMMERCIAL SUCCESS of Thriller, everyone and their mama almost was trying to do the same thing. Hell a new album by the top artist in the industry right now (at this point I don't think I have to mention her name so I won't) is having different genres in her music trying to appeal to everyone (and is using other outlets to get everyone into her).

So if you wanna thank or blame anyone for that, look at Michael Jackson, his management team during that period and Epic/CBS Records for that.

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

Also, we can't forget the fact that Thriller was the first modern crossover album, it has (had) something for everybody (funk, ballads, rock, pop, dance, etc.). It's the ultimate crossover album of all time. Purple Rain, Like a Prayer and Come On Over come close, but Thriller owns them all.

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner. EVERY album that has come out SINCE Thriller has tried that same crossover appeal. Sure you can say the multi-genre thing was done before (Stevie Wonder and Todd Rundgren would be the first to tell you they came up with it) but after the massive COMMERCIAL SUCCESS of Thriller, everyone and their mama almost was trying to do the same thing. Hell a new album by the top artist in the industry right now (at this point I don't think I have to mention her name so I won't) is having different genres in her music trying to appeal to everyone (and is using other outlets to get everyone into her).

So if you wanna thank or blame anyone for that, look at Michael Jackson, his management team during that period and Epic/CBS Records for that.

yes

BUT, surprisingly, almost ANY post-1989 hit album was not a crossover album (Come On Over being the exception). Hell, even GaGa is (was???) hardcore dance, and Bieber pure pop.

so, was the crossover mania a 1983-1989 phenomenon or what??

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

Also, we can't forget the fact that Thriller was the first modern crossover album, it has (had) something for everybody (funk, ballads, rock, pop, dance, etc.). It's the ultimate crossover album of all time. Purple Rain, Like a Prayer and Come On Over come close, but Thriller owns them all.

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner. EVERY album that has come out SINCE Thriller has tried that same crossover appeal. Sure you can say the multi-genre thing was done before (Stevie Wonder and Todd Rundgren would be the first to tell you they came up with it) but after the massive COMMERCIAL SUCCESS of Thriller, everyone and their mama almost was trying to do the same thing. Hell a new album by the top artist in the industry right now (at this point I don't think I have to mention her name so I won't) is having different genres in her music trying to appeal to everyone (and is using other outlets to get everyone into her).

So if you wanna thank or blame anyone for that, look at Michael Jackson, his management team during that period and Epic/CBS Records for that.

Its more than that, nothing that will come out will even have cross the board appeal, plus there are so many demographic issues and PR shit that didnt exist back then, MJ didnt go into the studio thinking the biggest album of all time, shit he was coming off "off the wall" which was big, by why would he think he would acheive anything like that. Plus today there would be so much BS talk and HYPE that when it came out, everyone would knock it because it wouldnt live to the HYPE thats why so many projects disappear. So its the same reason WHY Joe DImaggio's 57game hit streak in Baseball WILL NEVER be broken, because todays atheletes are pussies, sorry, but they are, they dont know how to play the games they play, its about their contracts, and they sit down if they break a nail.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner. EVERY album that has come out SINCE Thriller has tried that same crossover appeal. Sure you can say the multi-genre thing was done before (Stevie Wonder and Todd Rundgren would be the first to tell you they came up with it) but after the massive COMMERCIAL SUCCESS of Thriller, everyone and their mama almost was trying to do the same thing. Hell a new album by the top artist in the industry right now (at this point I don't think I have to mention her name so I won't) is having different genres in her music trying to appeal to everyone (and is using other outlets to get everyone into her).

So if you wanna thank or blame anyone for that, look at Michael Jackson, his management team during that period and Epic/CBS Records for that.

Its more than that, nothing that will come out will even have cross the board appeal, plus there are so many demographic issues and PR shit that didnt exist back then, MJ didnt go into the studio thinking the biggest album of all time, shit he was coming off "off the wall" which was big, by why would he think he would acheive anything like that. Plus today there would be so much BS talk and HYPE that when it came out, everyone would knock it because it wouldnt live to the HYPE thats why so many projects disappear. So its the same reason WHY Joe DImaggio's 57game hit streak in Baseball WILL NEVER be broken, because todays atheletes are pussies, sorry, but they are, they dont know how to play the games they play, its about their contracts, and they sit down if they break a nail.

Yeah, when THRILLER was released, NO ONE was talking about "oh this is going to be THE ALBUM of the YEAR". In fact the year it came out, some were like "this is hogwash" or "this is good but not as good as Off The Wall". About a year or two later those same critics were reevaluating the music due to the success of it. Michael put out videos that blew people's minds, did performances that period that blew them further and before you knew it he was selling more copies faster than Carole King and the Bee Gees and Fleetwood Mac and Pink Floyd ever could and this coming from a solo "pop/R&B" artist who was originally from Motown and a "bubblegum pop legend" by then!

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

Its more than that, nothing that will come out will even have cross the board appeal, plus there are so many demographic issues and PR shit that didnt exist back then, MJ didnt go into the studio thinking the biggest album of all time, shit he was coming off "off the wall" which was big, by why would he think he would acheive anything like that. Plus today there would be so much BS talk and HYPE that when it came out, everyone would knock it because it wouldnt live to the HYPE thats why so many projects disappear. So its the same reason WHY Joe DImaggio's 57game hit streak in Baseball WILL NEVER be broken, because todays atheletes are pussies, sorry, but they are, they dont know how to play the games they play, its about their contracts, and they sit down if they break a nail.

Yeah, when THRILLER was released, NO ONE was talking about "oh this is going to be THE ALBUM of the YEAR". In fact the year it came out, some were like "this is hogwash" or "this is good but not as good as Off The Wall". About a year or two later those same critics were reevaluating the music due to the success of it. Michael put out videos that blew people's minds, did performances that period that blew them further and before you knew it he was selling more copies faster than Carole King and the Bee Gees and Fleetwood Mac and Pink Floyd ever could and this coming from a solo "pop/R&B" artist who was originally from Motown and a "bubblegum pop legend" by then!

shit man hold it suddenly you scared the crap outta me: I've had this weird vision, you know, that somehow Justin Bieber will release in the future a masterpiece which will sell +100 million copies and the fucker will stay with us forever

JoeTyler said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah, when THRILLER was released, NO ONE was talking about "oh this is going to be THE ALBUM of the YEAR". In fact the year it came out, some were like "this is hogwash" or "this is good but not as good as Off The Wall". About a year or two later those same critics were reevaluating the music due to the success of it. Michael put out videos that blew people's minds, did performances that period that blew them further and before you knew it he was selling more copies faster than Carole King and the Bee Gees and Fleetwood Mac and Pink Floyd ever could and this coming from a solo "pop/R&B" artist who was originally from Motown and a "bubblegum pop legend" by then!

shit man hold it suddenly you scared the crap outta me: I've had this weird vision, you know, that somehow Justin Bieber will release in the future a masterpiece which will sell +100 million copies and the fucker will stay with us forever

You should've seen what VI0LETBLUES said. Much worse.

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

shit man hold it suddenly you scared the crap outta me: I've had this weird vision, you know, that somehow Justin Bieber will release in the future a masterpiece which will sell +100 million copies and the fucker will stay with us forever

You should've seen what VI0LETBLUES said. Much worse.

about Bieber?

JoeTyler said:

Timmy84 said:

You should've seen what VI0LETBLUES said. Much worse.

about Bieber?

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

about Bieber?

do you have the link?

JoeTyler said:

Timmy84 said:

do you have the link?

V10LETBLUES said (at 7:26 pm on 5/20/11):

You never know Justin Beiber may surprise us. The force is strong with that one. It's a kids thing. Only someone like Justin can beat it.

Second page lol

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

V10LETBLUES said (at 7:26 pm on 5/20/11):

You never know Justin Beiber may surprise us. The force is strong with that one. It's a kids thing. Only someone like Justin can beat it.

Second page lol

yeah, and Arnold is running for president

Ellie said:

Remember about 10-12 years ago when the media were desperately trying to control things and appoint a new "King of Pop"? At one point folks were seriously arguing that Ricky Martin was a viable candidate. Don't even get me started on all that Justin Timberlake nonsense - that guy's actual sales figures were minuscule compared to the press attention and feigned credibility. If Justin Bieber even had the slightest chance of crossing over and achieving and adult or even straight male audience, Miley Cyrus has about the same chance of winning an acting Oscar.

true

the media is rubbish, they can't accept that when you're talking about people like Beatles, The Stones, MJ, etc you're talking about legends, myths, fuckin' emperors, fuckin' marble statues, MJ is like Caesar, the fuckin' Alexander the Great of pop music, his music AND his life are legendary, even with the controversy...

Ellie said:

Remember about 10-12 years ago when the media were desperately trying to control things and appoint a new "King of Pop"? At one point folks were seriously arguing that Ricky Martin was a viable candidate. Don't even get me started on all that Justin Timberlake nonsense - that guy's actual sales figures were minuscule compared to the press attention and feigned credibility. If Justin Bieber even had the slightest chance of crossing over and achieving an adult or even straight male audience, Miley Cyrus has about the same chance of winning an acting Oscar. [Edited 5/21/11 16:03pm]

Right. Plus Michael had QUINCY.

So they automatically lose. Hell Michael had MOTOWN!

Ellie said:

And on that note, wasn't MJ a pioneer in celebrity product endorsement contracts with Pepsi?

Music acts made commercial ads before the Jacksons did in 1984 (including the J5). Even the Beatles were asked to advertise Coca-Cola but they turned it down.

MickyDolenz said:

Ellie said:

And on that note, wasn't MJ a pioneer in celebrity product endorsement contracts with Pepsi?

Music acts made commercial ads before the Jacksons did in 1984 (including the J5). Even the Beatles were asked to advertise Coca-Cola but they turned it down.

Yeah and so did Marvin Gaye and the Supremes during the Motown days but Michael's ads were on ANOTHER level so they can't even be compared either.

Timmy84 said:

JoeTyler said:

V10LETBLUES said (at 7:26 pm on 5/20/11):

You never know Justin Beiber may surprise us. The force is strong with that one. It's a kids thing. Only someone like Justin can beat it.

Second page lol

And yes it was meant to be funny and get a rise out of the MJ brigade here. But the funniest part and the ironic part is that to many people MJ was just a child star like Beiber trying to break in with the adults at one point. And was ridiculed just the same.

MJ is the Elvis of our time. And like Elvis, the fascination will only be with middle age men and women that can't move on. (yes you'll be fat middle age old farts still loving MJ while your kids roll their eyes at you dancing to your K-Tel collection)

And that's the real punch line.

[Edited 5/21/11 16:19pm]

V10LETBLUES said:

Timmy84 said:

And yes it was meant to be funny and get a rise out of the MJ brigade here. But the funniest part and the ironic part is that to many people MJ was just a child star like Beiber trying to break in with the adults at one point. And was ridiculed just the same.

MJ is the Elvis of our time. And like Elvis, the fascination will only be with middle age men and women that can't move on. (yes you'll be fat middle age old farts still loving MJ while your kids roll their eyes at you dancing to your K-Tel collection)

And that's the real punch line.

haaaaaaaaaa! BULLSHIT

Man, I'm only a "moderate" MJ fan, but believe me: MJ is STILL a kid/teen pop star... Kids, girls, teens, college guys and daddy and mommy still buy his albums. Sorry, he's a legend for the ages. People still buy the bio of Alexander the Great. People still buy MJ albums. Accept it

Next...

Hell even casual MJ fans would agree. Stanning ain't got nothing to do with it.

Ellie said:

That's funny, because nearly every week when I walk around central places in the city, I see/hear MJ influences everywhere. Just this afternoon I was at a tube station and a busker was playing Thriller with young kids nearby dancing. Last week it was a different station blasting out The Girl Is Mine. The week before I was walking down Shaftesbury Avenue and toddlers were coming out of the Thriller Live theatre dressed from head to toe in MJ attire. I went to a 1 year olds birthday party today and a 4 year old Asian boy was wearing a Rolling Stones T-Shirt. There are certain giants of the industry that have transcended age, race and most importantly time. Maybe in 20 years the media outlets will be run by the teenagers from today and we'll see young adults on TV reminiscing about the rise of Lady Gaga. But only then we'll know if our parents and future kids ended up giving a toss about her.

Man, suddenly, I feel OLD

that said, you're right: "There are certain giants of the industry that have transcended age, race and most importantly time"

V10LETBLUES said:

Timmy84 said:

And yes it was meant to be funny and get a rise out of the MJ brigade here. But the funniest part and the ironic part is that to many people MJ was just a child star like Beiber trying to break in with the adults at one point. And was ridiculed just the same.

MJ is the Elvis of our time. And like Elvis, the fascination will only be with middle age men and women that can't move on. (yes you'll be fat middle age old farts still loving MJ while your kids roll their eyes at you dancing to your K-Tel collection)

And that's the real punch line.

[Edited 5/21/11 16:19pm]

Lawd...coming here talking like you like you are an objective poster is not going to help , your post history about MJ indicates the contrary , you don't like the man...plain and simple....

and btw.. Elvis is Elvis ...and MJ is MJ..........Two different ICONs....

seeingvoices12 said:

V10LETBLUES said:

And yes it was meant to be funny and get a rise out of the MJ brigade here. But the funniest part and the ironic part is that to many people MJ was just a child star like Beiber trying to break in with the adults at one point. And was ridiculed just the same.

MJ is the Elvis of our time. And like Elvis, the fascination will only be with middle age men and women that can't move on. (yes you'll be fat middle age old farts still loving MJ while your kids roll their eyes at you dancing to your K-Tel collection)

And that's the real punch line.

[Edited 5/21/11 16:19pm]

Lawd...coming here talking like you like you are an objective poster is not going to help , your post history about MJ indicates the contrary , you don't like the man...plain and simple....

and btw.. Elvis is Elvis ...and MJ is MJ..........Two different ICONs....

Anyways Thriller WON'T be surpassed. End of story.

Plus it did like 70 million WORLDWIDE. Not even the best-selling albums of the '80s reached that yet! The highest was AC/DC at, last I checked 45 million.

So yeah. Surpassed my ass.