Awesome read:

By Steven Hyden And Noel Murray May 10, 2011

Steven: Hey Noel, I love writing about music for a living. But I’ve come to hate talking about music in casual conversation, particularly with people—many of them friends—around my age. That’s because these conversations rarely have anything to do with actual music; instead, it’s all about how such-and-such band is overhyped or a total rip-off of something that was popular years ago—back when we were teenagers, essentially—and how this indicates that music ain’t no good no more.

“How much music sucks today and why” is my least favorite conversation topic not involving politics, religion, or gross (not in a hilarious way) bodily functions. Whenever it comes up, I’m forced to confront an uncomfortable fact of life: I am surrounded by old people, and if I’m not careful, I could become one of them.

More than any other branch of the pop-culture tree, music is associated with childhood. It’s something many of us discovered as we were discovering ourselves, providing a set of attitudes, poses, and even clothes for us to try on during our formative years. It was like acquiring an instant personality kit. Music made us feel like individuals, and yet also part of a group with people we could instantly relate to, or wanted to relate to. Just as important, music drew a line in the sand against everything we didn’t want to be, which was usually easier to figure out than who we really were.

Click here for the rest of the article: http://www.avclub.com/art...sic,55805/

I think every generation experiences that, don't they?? I think I am more and more like that. I hear new music still, but rarely does it have the impact that older music does. Of course there are exception's but rarely do I hear (certainly commercially) music that hit's the mark that is new.

Hip hop is straight up commercial bull with the exception of a few artist's. Soul, RnB is the same.

I don't think it is a reflection on the music or artist, but a reflection of the industry. Artist's have no time to grow anymore. No longer are they given a couple of year's to develop. As soon as they drop out of the top 10 they are dropped. So the pressure to just release radio friendly bull is huge.

GettOffMyLand said:

I think every generation experiences that, don't they?? I think I am more and more like that. I hear new music still, but rarely does it have the impact that older music does. Of course there are exception's but rarely do I hear (certainly commercially) music that hit's the mark that is new.

Hip hop is straight up commercial bull with the exception of a few artist's. Soul, RnB is the same.

I don't think it is a reflection on the music or artist, but a reflection of the industry. Artist's have no time to grow anymore. No longer are they given a couple of year's to develop. As soon as they drop out of the top 10 they are dropped. So the pressure to just release radio friendly bull is huge.

Totally agree with you GetOff---it's like the record execs want to just sell ringtones and summer hits but they're not interested in developing the artist's talent. I think another component of my lack of interest in a lot of today's music is the production makes practically everything sound the same. Is there really THAT much of a difference between Katy Perry, Rihanna or any of these other Maxim model types "turned singers"...I dunno, I think Lady Gaga is a budding genius but I hope she doesn't burn out too soon.

sosgemini said:

Awesome read:

By Steven Hyden And Noel Murray May 10, 2011

Steven: Hey Noel, I love writing about music for a living. But I’ve come to hate talking about music in casual conversation, particularly with people—many of them friends—around my age. That’s because these conversations rarely have anything to do with actual music; instead, it’s all about how such-and-such band is overhyped or a total rip-off of something that was popular years ago—back when we were teenagers, essentially—and how this indicates that music ain’t no good no more.

“How much music sucks today and why” is my least favorite conversation topic not involving politics, religion, or gross (not in a hilarious way) bodily functions. Whenever it comes up, I’m forced to confront an uncomfortable fact of life: I am surrounded by old people, and if I’m not careful, I could become one of them.

More than any other branch of the pop-culture tree, music is associated with childhood. It’s something many of us discovered as we were discovering ourselves, providing a set of attitudes, poses, and even clothes for us to try on during our formative years. It was like acquiring an instant personality kit. Music made us feel like individuals, and yet also part of a group with people we could instantly relate to, or wanted to relate to. Just as important, music drew a line in the sand against everything we didn’t want to be, which was usually easier to figure out than who we really were.

Click here for the rest of the article: http://www.avclub.com/art...sic,55805/

SeventeenDayze said:

GettOffMyLand said:

I think every generation experiences that, don't they?? I think I am more and more like that. I hear new music still, but rarely does it have the impact that older music does. Of course there are exception's but rarely do I hear (certainly commercially) music that hit's the mark that is new.

Hip hop is straight up commercial bull with the exception of a few artist's. Soul, RnB is the same.

I don't think it is a reflection on the music or artist, but a reflection of the industry. Artist's have no time to grow anymore. No longer are they given a couple of year's to develop. As soon as they drop out of the top 10 they are dropped. So the pressure to just release radio friendly bull is huge.

Totally agree with you GetOff---it's like the record execs want to just sell ringtones and summer hits but they're not interested in developing the artist's talent. I think another component of my lack of interest in a lot of today's music is the production makes practically everything sound the same. Is there really THAT much of a difference between Katy Perry, Rihanna or any of these other Maxim model types "turned singers"...I dunno, I think Lady Gaga is a budding genius but I hope she doesn't burn out too soon.

I agree, and this is coming from a member of the demographic that most popular music tries to reach.

MyNameIsPiper said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Totally agree with you GetOff---it's like the record execs want to just sell ringtones and summer hits but they're not interested in developing the artist's talent. I think another component of my lack of interest in a lot of today's music is the production makes practically everything sound the same. Is there really THAT much of a difference between Katy Perry, Rihanna or any of these other Maxim model types "turned singers"...I dunno, I think Lady Gaga is a budding genius but I hope she doesn't burn out too soon.

I agree, and this is coming from a member of the demographic that most popular music tries to reach.

Ok, I'm relieved to know it's not just me getting old or something. I talked to a group of high school kids who then started a convo about music and they started complaining about today's music. I was really blown away and I didn't even prompt them to have those opinions either, it was amazing, LOL!

cause I'm lazy mmmkay?

When they realized that they were too young for the new music because it sounds like it was made for nursing home patients creeping along on walkers playing musical chairs......

Don't speed the music up very fast Emma Lou or one of us will go into cardiac arrest. Oh, Lord have mercy, my heart's just a'racin'. Lord, my support hose are slippin'. Slow that fast shit down! That's it. Keep ever-thang nice and slow........ That's it. Play us some nice soothing purty music.....

vainandy said:

When they realized that they were too young for the new music because it sounds like it was made for nursing home patients creeping along on walkers playing musical chairs......

Don't speed the music up very fast Emma Lou or one of us will go into cardiac arrest. Oh, Lord have mercy, my heart's just a'racin'. Lord, my support hose are slippin'. Slow that fast shit down! That's it. Keep ever-thang nice and slow........ That's it. Play us some nice soothing purty music.....

Those pop-culture fans are not "hostile" against new music, its just some people grew into a bunch of wussy sensitive bitches who view ANYTHING thats not regarded as praise, to be "hating" by default. Short sighted too, because they could've used some of the criticism to their advantage.

And the whole nostalgia talk is a cop out plea like a motherfucker and frankly it gets on my nerve. If thats the case, would you mind explain to me why more & MORE kids are starting to go back and listen to artists from the 80s/70s? Oh they do exists, you think they don't but they're out there. Is that a coincidence? Many of them are hopping on that nostalgia train, something is missing otherwise it wouldn't happen.

But we can do the whole "there's good music out there if you search for it" song & dance for the millionth time and I STRONGLY AGREE that there is. But the difference between then & now, is that back then good music was accessible and you didn't have to search for shit. It wasn't buried in the bottom of a crate in some record store in Toronto, or something that got slipped in some mix one of your friends did for you, or somebody you read about in some blog's article, they were on the RADIO, remember when you didn't have to resort to your collection because the radio didn't suck major balls? I do, and shit, I'm only 28, so you know it wasn't that long ago.

No, I don't think the problem is the crappy music, or the fact that fossil ass folks are stubbornly set in their ways with their high standards, I think we became accustomed to embrace ANYTHING mediocre or good enough too long to the point that when somebody jumps out and demands an improvement, folks look at them as either 1) Out of touch/unhip. 2) Haters, or 3) Hard to satisfy.

One of my friends clown me on taste of music, said that if I blow on the Ipod, dust will fill up the whole room she made the argument that I'm extra extra nostalgic too. Now, who's her favorite band/Artist? Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings and Amy Winehouse I had to laugh at the irony.

Edit: Who the hell is Shirley King?

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I don't!

Last.fm and allmusicguide.com are my best friends when it comes to just randomly searching for something I've never heard of that I can just drop myself into!

There has always been shit, now and then

the problem is: at least since 2004, the new good music is not that good, but the new bad music IS THAT bad...perhaps worse than ever...

my 2 cent...

SeventeenDayze said:

MyNameIsPiper said:

I agree, and this is coming from a member of the demographic that most popular music tries to reach.

Ok, I'm relieved to know it's not just me getting old or something. I talked to a group of high school kids who then started a convo about music and they started complaining about today's music. I was really blown away and I didn't even prompt them to have those opinions either, it was amazing, LOL!

I know some will argue it has always been this way even though I disagree with this BUT I think there are alot more kids, teens etc of this generation that go out looking for other types of music that is non mainstrea out of any other generation. There are more young people listening to old school, different styles of genres and looking for different things that best fits their interests and personality which is a good thing. The pop industry today is horrid yes it has always been about image etc but got damn it seems as though now it is easy to get a grammy, be called a legend or have no talent and STILL get a record deal..My only issue is why hasnt any of the legends or music critics spoke out against this?

Harlepolis said:

But we can do the whole "there's good music out there if you search for it" song & dance for the millionth time and I STRONGLY AGREE that there is. But the difference between then & now, is that back then good music was accessible and you didn't have to search for shit. It wasn't buried in the bottom of a crate in some record store in Toronto, or something that got slipped in some mix one of your friends did for you, or somebody you read about in some blog's article, they were on the RADIO, remember when you didn't have to resort to your collection because the radio didn't suck major balls? I do, and shit, I'm only 28, so you know it wasn't that long ago.

Exactly. And I'm not about to go "searching" for no damn good music because I shouldn't have to. Start playing good music on the radio again and people wouldn't have to search for it. And even if I found it, what is Andy sitting in Jackson, Mississippi, listening to some good new music all alone that he "found", going to change? Me finding stuff and listening to it by my damn self (because nobody else is aware of it) ain't going to change a damn thing. I want a change in the mainstream or even the "somewhat" mainstream because that is what controls what is being played in all the dick hunting places such as clubs, etc. What Andy listens to by himself at home doesn't control the music in these places. Listening to something that you "found" alone because no one else is aware of it is like masturbation. It's somewhat satisfying but it's not mind blowing like having some real dick.

vainandy said:

Harlepolis said:

But we can do the whole "there's good music out there if you search for it" song & dance for the millionth time and I STRONGLY AGREE that there is. But the difference between then & now, is that back then good music was accessible and you didn't have to search for shit. It wasn't buried in the bottom of a crate in some record store in Toronto, or something that got slipped in some mix one of your friends did for you, or somebody you read about in some blog's article, they were on the RADIO, remember when you didn't have to resort to your collection because the radio didn't suck major balls? I do, and shit, I'm only 28, so you know it wasn't that long ago.

Exactly. And I'm not about to go "searching" for no damn good music because I shouldn't have to. Start playing good music on the radio again and people wouldn't have to search for it.

forget about the goddamn radio, man. It's a fossil. Focus on the Internet if you wanna find the good new stuff...

It's obvious some of the people up in this thread haven't even read the damn article.

sosgemini said:

It's obvious some of the people up in this thread haven't even read the damn article.

I did, and I thought it is bullshit...

JoeTyler said:

vainandy said:

Exactly. And I'm not about to go "searching" for no damn good music because I shouldn't have to. Start playing good music on the radio again and people wouldn't have to search for it.

forget about the goddamn radio, man. It's a fossil. Focus on the Internet if you wanna find the good new stuff...

And should I focus on the internet when I want to find some dick also? There's nothing like face to face "in person" contact when it comes to sex and it's the same with music also. The internet is too broad and when people have to start relying on something as broad as the internet to find their music, people will have too many thousands of options of places to search which means everyone's tastes will be so out there that very few people will share the same tastes which means that music will become something you listen to alone rather than in gathering places and social settings.

The few times I've been to a club in recent years, it is the exact opposite of how it used to be. Everyone is sitting around the bar and the dance floor is damn near completely empty with only two or three people on it who are usually just on it because they are extremely drunk. They aren't really feeling the music. The music has become just something generic in the background while people sit around and talk rather than being the center of attraction like it used to be. The songs being placed on the dance floor (in the white club) are trance type songs that nobody has even heard of and as I said before, they're just on as background noise while people talk. In the black club, the songs being played are mainstream and most everyone has heard of them but the dance floor is still empty because the songs are too damn slow to dance to.

When music dies as a mainstream outlet, then so do social settings such as clubs and any other type of fun nightlife. And as for picking up folks on the internet, that's a good way to end up as front page news in the morning paper when your body is found by co-workers because you never showed up to work for days.

JoeTyler said:

sosgemini said:

It's obvious some of the people up in this thread haven't even read the damn article.

I did, and I thought it is bullshit...

Yeah, I just thought this thread would be about their discussion. Not the tired BS that is spewed on this website over and over and over.

vainandy said:

JoeTyler said:

forget about the goddamn radio, man. It's a fossil. Focus on the Internet if you wanna find the good new stuff...

And should I focus on the internet when I want to find some dick also? There's nothing like face to face "in person" contact when it comes to sex and it's the same with music also. The internet is too broad and when people have to start relying on something as broad as the internet to find their music, people will have too many thousands of options of places to search which means everyone's tastes will be so out there that very few people will share the same tastes which means that music will become something you listen to alone rather than in gathering places and social settings.

True, but if the things have changed, we gotta adapt. Radio is dead, music is not. Sad, but true

The few times I've been to a club in recent years, it is the exact opposite of how it used to be. Everyone is sitting around the bar and the dance floor is damn near completely empty with only two or three people on it who are usually just on it because they are extremely drunk. They aren't really feeling the music. The music has become just something generic in the background while people sit around and talk rather than being the center of attraction like it used to be. The songs being placed on the dance floor (in the white club) are trance type songs that nobody has even heard of and as I said before, they're just on as background noise while people talk. In the black club, the songs being played are mainstream and most everyone has heard of them but the dance floor is still empty because the songs are too damn slow to dance to.

Well, I guess it depends. I only go to black clubs, and the dancefloor is so fuckin' FULL of horny/excited people that I feel A LOT of erected cocks and nipples against my body constantly. Hell, if you go to my club and you don't get laid the same damn night it means that you're extremely ugly or completely asexual LOL. and the music is fine: a good balance of old-school stuff and new (but goof) stuff. And YES, the DJ play FAST new stuff, hell, the only songs of Beyonce and RiRi that they play are the fast numbers: Crazy in Love and Don't Stop the Music...

When music dies as a mainstream outlet, then so do social settings such as clubs and any other type of fun nightlife. And as for picking up folks on the internet, that's a good way to end up as front page news in the morning paper when your body is found by co-workers because you never showed up to work for days.

No. Night clubs should become more "elitist". I prefer a small club full of hardcore people than a big club full of fuckin' people that can't dance to save their lives...If the mainstream audience doesn't want to have fun anymore, hey FUCK'EM. I'll still have fun with the small hardcore audience...

JoeTyler said:

vainandy said:

And should I focus on the internet when I want to find some dick also? There's nothing like face to face "in person" contact when it comes to sex and it's the same with music also. The internet is too broad and when people have to start relying on something as broad as the internet to find their music, people will have too many thousands of options of places to search which means everyone's tastes will be so out there that very few people will share the same tastes which means that music will become something you listen to alone rather than in gathering places and social settings.

True, but if the things have changed, we gotta adapt. Radio is dead, music is not. Sad, but true

The few times I've been to a club in recent years, it is the exact opposite of how it used to be. Everyone is sitting around the bar and the dance floor is damn near completely empty with only two or three people on it who are usually just on it because they are extremely drunk. They aren't really feeling the music. The music has become just something generic in the background while people sit around and talk rather than being the center of attraction like it used to be. The songs being placed on the dance floor (in the white club) are trance type songs that nobody has even heard of and as I said before, they're just on as background noise while people talk. In the black club, the songs being played are mainstream and most everyone has heard of them but the dance floor is still empty because the songs are too damn slow to dance to.

Well, I guess it depends. I only go to black clubs, and the dancefloor is so fuckin' FULL of horny/excited people that I feel A LOT of erected cocks and nipples against my body constantly. Hell, if you go to my club and you don't get laid the same damn night it means that you're extremely ugly or completely asexual LOL. and the music is fine: a good balance of old-school stuff and new (but goof) stuff. And YES, the DJ play FAST new stuff, hell, the only songs of Beyonce and RiRi that they play are the fast numbers: Crazy in Love and Don't Stop the Music...

When music dies as a mainstream outlet, then so do social settings such as clubs and any other type of fun nightlife. And as for picking up folks on the internet, that's a good way to end up as front page news in the morning paper when your body is found by co-workers because you never showed up to work for days.

No. Night clubs should become more "elitist". I prefer a small club full of hardcore people than a big club full of fuckin' people that can't dance to save their lives...If the mainstream audience doesn't want to have fun anymore, hey FUCK'EM. I'll still have fun with the small hardcore audience...

Oh, I've been in clubs when they've called themselves going to try to speed things up and it's always some shit like Beyonce or others like her (I don't know their names because I don't keep up with that bullshit). It's usually faster than actual shit hop which is slow as hell, but it still has shit hop elements in it such as shitty sounding drum machines, weak basslines, etc. None of the things that have always defined a strong dancefloor type song such as strong sounding drums (whether real or fake) and basslines. Yeah, it's faster but that's all, just faster. It sounds like a faster version of shit hop because it still has shit hop's weak elements, just at a faster tempo. They still don't get it. Let shit hop die! It has lived it's life. It has dominated for 20 years which is more than any other genre has dominated. Don't reinvent it, let it die altogether and move on to something completely different. And then there's all the faster autotune type shit also. Once again, let that shit die too. It's been at least over 10 years for that shit. Move on like other generations did. It's not that the older generation doesn't want to move on. It's quite the opposite. We want to move on. We've always moved on to other things like every five years or so. It's that the younger generation will not move on.

But as for the small elite crowd type setting. Yeah, been there and done that too. In the early 2000s, we were constantly at house parties with folks our own age with similar tastes and with young people also that had similar tastes as us and you usually end up going through and sleeping with almost the entire group....twice. The huge, elbow to elbow, club setting crowds is where you find the new dick at. The dick that you've never had before. The dick in abundance. A different dick every night. Multiple dicks at a time. It's easy to go through all those real fast in a small crowd type setting.

I haven't been to too many house parties lately though since some of the main people I knew that used to have them moved back to Chicago where they were originally from. All we used to hear from them was...."There ain't shit to do in Jackson. These clubs ain't shit. The music here is shit. It wasn't like this when I lived in Chicago".....Well, what's funny is, now that they've gone back to Chicago, they call on the phone back down here talking about...."What the hell happened to Chicago? Hell, it ain't shit like it used to be? It's almost as dead as Jackson, it's just bigger up here". I'm thinking to myself....."Well hell bitch, you left Chicago and moved to Jackson in the early to mid 1990s. Chicago got changed with shit hop just like Jackson did. Did you think that shit hop was just a local thing?".

Harlepolis said:

If thats the case, would you mind explain to me why more & MORE kids are starting to go back and listen to artists from the 80s/70s?

Why do kids get into artists from the 50s/60s or the 30s/40s, and etc.? Why? Because it's a natural thing to do. Some can become disconnected with the current pop culture and then go back. Tbqh, some of music from that time was just as shitty as it is today.

This thread and article is almost saying the exact same thing I said that other thread where people were having a hard time realizing that they were becoming too old to like music anymore.

vainandy said:

JoeTyler said:

Oh, I've been in clubs when they've called themselves going to try to speed things up and it's always some shit like Beyonce or others like her (I don't know their names because I don't keep up with that bullshit). It's usually faster than actual shit hop which is slow as hell, but it still has shit hop elements in it such as shitty sounding drum machines, weak basslines, etc. None of the things that have always defined a strong dancefloor type song such as strong sounding drums (whether real or fake) and basslines. Yeah, it's faster but that's all, just faster. It sounds like a faster version of shit hop because it still has shit hop's weak elements, just at a faster tempo. They still don't get it. Let shit hop die! It has lived it's life. It has dominated for 20 years which is more than any other genre has dominated. Don't reinvent it, let it die altogether and move on to something completely different. And then there's all the faster autotune type shit also. Once again, let that shit die too. It's been at least over 10 years for that shit. Move on like other generations did. It's not that the older generation doesn't want to move on. It's quite the opposite. We want to move on. We've always moved on to other things like every five years or so. It's that the younger generation will not move on.

But as for the small elite crowd type setting. Yeah, been there and done that too. In the early 2000s, we were constantly at house parties with folks our own age with similar tastes and with young people also that had similar tastes as us and you usually end up going through and sleeping with almost the entire group....twice. The huge, elbow to elbow, club setting crowds is where you find the new dick at. The dick that you've never had before. The dick in abundance. A different dick every night. Multiple dicks at a time. It's easy to go through all those real fast in a small crowd type setting.

well, I get your point, but I'm quite the opposite lol When I fing a good pussy, I generally want to keep it for some long months lol

and yes, it's time for shit-hop and autotune/dance to die. I'm glad that GaGa, for example, is slowly leaving that sound behind ..I give her credit for that. Hell I'm glad that "Judas" has been a flop, that will help her to leave shit-dance behind foreva...

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Unholyalliance said:

This thread and article is almost saying the exact same thing I said that other thread where people were having a hard time realizing that they were becoming too old to like music anymore.

not necessarily. I get why "old" folks (+ 40 years old, no offence) don't care about juvenile/upbeat/current pop music, but that doesn't mean that the music is good and they are jaded. Hell I'm only 26 and I think that 00's pop music has been pretty mediocre. Many of the best 00's albums have been released by veteran artists or self-counciously "serious-arty" new bands/acts.

Unholyalliance said:

Harlepolis said:

If thats the case, would you mind explain to me why more & MORE kids are starting to go back and listen to artists from the 80s/70s?

Why do kids get into artists from the 50s/60s or the 30s/40s, and etc.? Why? Because it's a natural thing to do. Some can become disconnected with the current pop culture and then go back. Tbqh, some of music from that time was just as shitty as it is today.

This thread and article is almost saying the exact same thing I said that other thread where people were having a hard time realizing that they were becoming too old to like music anymore.

I first started bitching about music in 1985 when Shitney Houston came out and then folks like Anita Baker, Freddie Jackson, Regina Belle, Mikki Howard, etc. started coming out of the woodwork and started taking over. The harder stuff life Cameo, The Barkays, Con Funk Shun, Midnight Star, etc. was becoming scarcer and scarcer. I wasn't old. I was 17 and freshly graduated out of high school. Times weren't moving forward, but instead they were going backwards to a time when more "parent friendly" music dominated.

I didn't start going back and start exploring music from the 1960s and stuff that was before my time though. I just got more into the underground house scene that was coming about in the mid to late 1980s and yes, things did get better in the mainstream for a brief period of time when the house music came above ground in the early 1990s and was known as "dance" but that was short lived. I just went back underground again and stayed there until almost the late 1990s when it turned into a bunch of trance type stuff. As for the mainstream though, by that time it was completely dominated by shit hop (which is as slow as old folks music) and neo stool (more of that "parent friendly" type shit from a much tamer era). That's when I just stopped listening to current music altogher and started pulling out my old records and also started exploring music that was before my time. All this was going on when I was in my 20s which was still very young. I haven't gone back to the mainstream since then because the mainstream hasn't changed. I'm 43 now, so no it's not a matter of getting old because I started bitching about it when I was as young as 17. Mainstream music actually got worse and for years now it IS shit.

That "getting older" excuse is a cop out to defend current music. Yeah, before the rock and roll era took over, people didn't like it because they were older and it was faster music and they couldn't keep up with it. They also had their racist reasons for not liking it also. But these are different times these days and the absolute definition of someone getting older is someone who can't keep up with things like they used to because they aren't physically able to shake it like they used to. But if people are pissed because things are too slow, then that means they're still young but the rest of the world has gotten old as hell around them.

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sosgemini said:

It's obvious some of the people up in this thread haven't even read the damn article.

Dammit sos I read the thing.

Unholyalliance said:

Harlepolis said:

If thats the case, would you mind explain to me why more & MORE kids are starting to go back and listen to artists from the 80s/70s?

Why do kids get into artists from the 50s/60s or the 30s/40s, and etc.? Why? Because it's a natural thing to do. Some can become disconnected with the current pop culture and then go back. Tbqh, some of music from that time was just as shitty as it is today.

This thread and article is almost saying the exact same thing I said that other thread where people were having a hard time realizing that they were becoming too old to like music anymore.

Nobody disputed that. There's good and bad in every era, it goes without saying.

But the difference is, right now these kids resort to digging older music and recent indie music because they have no other alternative, simply because satellite radio's robotic playlist routine gave 'em no choice but to do that.

And if you're gonna judge folks by the same logic in your other paragraph, good luck, because you'll find a shit load of "old folks" who are still wet behind the ears walking around. So nah, its not natural, its only a rebellious reaction of the bullshit that the arrogant music industry spoon feed people with the assumption that they will passively embrace it.

JoeTyler said:

vainandy said:

Exactly. And I'm not about to go "searching" for no damn good music because I shouldn't have to. Start playing good music on the radio again and people wouldn't have to search for it.

forget about the goddamn radio, man. It's a fossil. Focus on the Internet if you wanna find the good new stuff...

I swear, had it not been for the internet, I probably wouldn't come across the artists I adore right now. So I agree with you 150%.

You know how I'm starting to feel about some of y'all, some of y'all are having a hard time understanding this:

RADIO

IS

A

MONOPOLY!

Always has, always will. They always played the same shit. Yeah you had stations that rebelled because back then no corporates controlled it as hard as they do now but there was still people using payola.

The advance we got now is we can control how we listen to music. The radio will never go back to where it was so stop wishing for some miracle.

And maybe the reason y'all saying music is dying is because, well, some of y'all have stated your opinions why so and so suck.

That's when it goes from being just an opinion to being snobbery. Open your ears, unlock other aspects of your brain.

I'm so glad people like bboy and Harlepolis and Shango and MrSoulPower and the like bring in new music or "old" music I've never heard of.

Music is supposed to be something that we can communicate with positively but I just feel an almost 100% negative vibe when "today's music" is being discussed.

That's why I hardly go to threads where idiots like Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian have new music. Why? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S NOT MUSIC. There's still people who can deliver in this day and age. But personal opinions you have, they suck so I'm just gonna listen to the older guys, hey if that's your preference, that's cool because I'm an old school fanatic myself.

But don't act like music's gonna join Sanford and Elizabeth in the sky because it's not what you prefer.

"YOU HEAR THAT ELIZABETH?! I'M COMING TO JOIN YOU HONEY! AND I'M BRINGING MY AL GREEN WITH ME!"

Just my opinion and it's in GENERAL so it's not an attack.

Just my observation.

sosgemini said:

It's obvious some of the people up in this thread haven't even read the damn article.

SHIT I READ IT TOO.